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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:24:19 -0400, "betsyb" wrote:
Color me old and feeble. I don't understand yenc nor do I care to learn. What does old and feeble have to do with it? It's about attitude, Betsy... ;-) Gerry Danen http://www.lilyregister.com |
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I don't think the poster is broken, but rather the recipient. yEnc has been around for so
many years that even slow MS should have been able to include it in a new version of OE. If they choose not to, they are missing the boat. Are they self-serving or serving their users? Pssst, I know the answer to that question... On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:11:40 -0500, Sj wrote: On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:36:28 GMT, "Jane Doe" wrote: Sj "Sj" wrote in message But the other thought on this yEnc thing is this: If you post, I am going to assume you post to share ... if you then yEnc & create problems for those who don't/won't/can't see your stuff, you're defeating the reason you're posting ... When you say trouble what do you mean? Not indicating so in the subject line so that people wont spend time unnecessarily? Mariana It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken software ... maybe people should let them know, though some posters won't care ... http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html Sj Gerry Danen http://www.lilyregister.com |
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Sj wrote: The software is 'broken' if it doesn't automatically put the word, yEnc, in the header, so that people who don't wish to bother can bypass it ... think there may be other problems w/ some of the yEnc posting software but am not familiar w/ the details, as I don't post in yEnc & can 'read' it seamlessly ... A quote: "There are a lot of yEnc-posting programs in use that have bugs in them. Here are some: * NNTP Power Post 2000 (Build 25b; yEnc) * NNTP Power Post 2000 (Build 24c) * yPost / 0.45 * MT Newswatcher 3.2" And you can read he http://www.yenc.org/broken.htm Sj Current MT Newswatcher is 3.5.2. Funny not mentioned in http://www.yenc.org/broken.htm Bill -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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Sj wrote: On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:03:56 -0400, William Wagner wrote: In article , Sj wrote: The software is 'broken' if it doesn't automatically put the word, yEnc, in the header, so that people who don't wish to bother can bypass it ... think there may be other problems w/ some of the yEnc posting software but am not familiar w/ the details, as I don't post in yEnc & can 'read' it seamlessly ... A quote: "There are a lot of yEnc-posting programs in use that have bugs in them. Here are some: * NNTP Power Post 2000 (Build 25b; yEnc) * NNTP Power Post 2000 (Build 24c) * yPost / 0.45 * MT Newswatcher 3.2" And you can read he http://www.yenc.org/broken.htm Sj Current MT Newswatcher is 3.5.2. Funny not mentioned in http://www.yenc.org/broken.htm Bill You could e-mail him to ask him &/or let him know ... Sj Why bother? Jurgen Helbing - 22. March. 2002 - Email: Bill -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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"betsyb" wrote in message
... Color me old and feeble. I don't understand yenc nor do I care to learn. There is nothing that needs to be understood or to learn. Do you understand uuencode? Did you have to learn uuencode? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
... "Sj" wrote It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken software ... maybe people should let them know, though some posters won't care ... http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE. Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-) Software to decode yEnc is free. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington |
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Gerry D (Canada) wrote:
I don't think the poster is broken, but rather the recipient. yEnc has been around for so many years that even slow MS should have been able to include it in a new version of OE. If they choose not to, they are missing the boat. Are they self-serving or serving their users? Pssst, I know the answer to that question... Yeah, well, MS does conform to applicable international\web standards: OE is built to receive and decode both MIME and uuencode (IIRC, it uses MIME to send.) It so happens that newsreaders and e-mail clients on all other platforms also conform to these standards. That's why you can read an e-mail sent from somebody using a Mac or running on Linux, for example. While there are lots of reasons to despise MS, this isn't one of them. YEnc is proprietary. MS can't simply include it in OE - they have to make a deal with its owner, who appears to be a 1st class prat. Among other things he has "improved" it several times in the worst way possible: newer versions aren't backward compatible with older ones, and/or he hasn't shared sufficient detail with the writers of newsreaders. That's why T'bird, for example, will read some yEnc posts, but not others. I've never bothered looking at the headers to figure out what the difference/reason is. He's also refused to co-operate with the international body that regulates web standards such as packet formats, MIME, etc, without which the web wouldn't work at all. Last time I looked at his website, he whinged about those nasty standards people who expected him to pay out of his own pocket for the submissions etc needed for that body to even consider adopting yEnc as another encoding standard. IOW, he's the reason it's not a standard, not the fact that the majority of plain ordinary computer users don't use it. If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go, doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional software to read a post in a non-standard format? -- Wolf 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.' |
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T r a v i s wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Sj" wrote It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken software ... maybe people should let them know, though some posters won't care ... http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE. Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-) Software to decode yEnc is free. But why should anyone have to get additional software, free or not, just to decode a message posted in a non-standard format? -- Wolf 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.' |
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Wolf expounded:
If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go, doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional software to read a post in a non-standard format? You keep saying how non-standard yEnc is, and yet there are plenty of newsreaders out there that handle it seamlessly. Defend M$ all you want. They are the ones who choose to not handle *all* formats, no matter what the reason. Agent is the best $29 you'll ever spend for reading news. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:57:56 -0500, Sj wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:26:27 -0400, Ann wrote: "betsyb" expounded: Me either and it's a shame we have to conform to another's standards? Not happening. No, it's being open-minded enough to work to anyone's standards. Something Micro$oft just isn't into..... You're right ... if one wants the music, the DVD's, the warez, the pics bad enough, you get software which can handle what's being used ... I remember years ago, some people were still posting in MIME, rather than uuencode ... I was using Free Agent which didn't decode MIME ... too difficult to try to get people to post in uuencode so finally went for Agent, as too many pics were bypassing me, unseen ... Been w/ Agent ever since & have never used OE ... Sj Same here. Some people just won't accept any change. Change is inevitable. If we only used what Tiny Soft supplied our computers might be compromised as there are those out there that use so much other to destroy our computers. |
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Ann wrote:
Wolf expounded: If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go, doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional software to read a post in a non-standard format? You keep saying how non-standard yEnc is, and yet there are plenty of newsreaders out there that handle it seamlessly. Defend M$ all you want. Er, I don't defend MS. How did you infer that? They are the ones who choose to not handle *all* formats, no matter what the reason. Agent is the best $29 you'll ever spend for reading news. Er, I tried the freeware version of Agent, didn't like it. Can't recall why, I don't keep notes about software I don't like. Something about insufficient control over downloads, IIRC. Which happens to be what I didn't like about a half dozen other newsreaders I tried. So I'm using T'bird for want of a better (the only newsreader that did everything I wanted it to do was PMNews, written for OS/2, and never ported, more's the pity.) OE is worth exactly what you pay for it. The only MS software I use is IE, and that only for Updates, since MS's update site won't work with any other browsers. Which is Restraint of Trade, and illegal, but I guess Willy Wallholes is exempt. -- Wolf 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.' |
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:15:38 -0400, Wolf wrote:
Gerry D (Canada) wrote: I don't think the poster is broken, but rather the recipient. yEnc has been around for so many years that even slow MS should have been able to include it in a new version of OE. If they choose not to, they are missing the boat. Are they self-serving or serving their users? Pssst, I know the answer to that question... Yeah, well, MS does conform to applicable international\web standards: Really? What about MS' implementation of CSS in IE, for example. Anyway, this is getting way off-topic... :) Gerry Danen http://www.lilyregister.com |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:51:33 -0400, Ann wrote:
Wolf expounded: If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go, doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional software to read a post in a non-standard format? You keep saying how non-standard yEnc is, and yet there are plenty of newsreaders out there that handle it seamlessly. Defend M$ all you want. They are the ones who choose to not handle *all* formats, no matter what the reason. Agent is the best $29 you'll ever spend for reading news. I agree, Ann. Just because somebody says it is non-standard, will not prevent people from posting yEnc encoded material. Just by sticking to what is "proper standard" material, you are excluding yourself from many posts. But then again, you and I are not missing out... :) Gerry Danen http://www.lilyregister.com |
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"T r a v i s" wrote after "Bob Hobden" and "Sj" wrote It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken software ... maybe people should let them know, though some posters won't care ... http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE. Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-) Software to decode yEnc is free. Yes there is free software but when I tried it you had to save the photo to your PC and then do through a procedure to decode it, save it again and then it might be viewable depending on the version of yEnc that had been used. I do not save photos to my PC, even most of my own are put straight to DVD unless I delete them first. I paid for software that is supposed to work seamlessly with OE....we shall see IDC! -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK |
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