Herb growing question
 

Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is the true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice (sage) and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Can anyone help me out with the full names of these so I buy the right ones?

With thanks,
BL
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~

Herb growing question
 

BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest some
of the traditional ones for you to find.
English Thyme or Common Thyme (thymus vulgaris) are most popular but I also
grow and love Lemon thyme( thymus citriodorus) just as you'd expect it to
taste.
French Tarragon is the best. (artimesia dracunculus)
The Rosemary ( rosemary officinalis)I like the best is Tuscan Blue but if
you're down south a bit you could really have a great time with Prostrate
rosemary because it makes a gorgeous and fragrant groundcover that cascades
over walls with little pale purple flowers.
Sage is only good for eating in my opinion if it's Salvia officinalis. The
tricolor ones and large leaf ones don't have as nice a flavor. But Pineapple
sage is a good second type of sage to get because it has red flowers and an
amazing fragrance.
The spiciest Oregano is Greek Oregano ( O.vulgare subsp. hirtum) but the
Italian (O.onites) is more like sweet marjoram.
Then there's Basil (Ocimum basilicum) which is so great in every flavor. The
classic one is Sweet Basil, or Mammoth sweet Basil. The pretty ones are
Purple Ruffles and that works great when used fresh in salads and cold
dishes. I also love the African Blue basil for the beautiful plants that
attract honeybees to my garden. The Thai Basil is great if you like Asian
food. it has a slightly licorice taste and it's also very pretty.
Bay Laurel (Laurus nobilis) can grow over winter where it's warm but I take
mine in every year in zone 6b.
Chives (Allium schoenoprasum) are easy. Garlic Chives are delicious and can
be a substitute for garlic in recipes if you're out of the real thing.
Dill (Anethum graveolens)depends on what you want it for. If you want dill
weed,plany Dukat. If you want seed heads for pickling, Long Island Mammoth
is good.
Fennel is really great if you like the anise flavor seeds or leaves. I grow
bronze fennel because i love the color. There is abulb type fennel if you
want to harvest and eat it Italian style, but it takes more space.
Lemon Balm is great! (Melissa officinalis) I pick three or four leaves and
pour boiling water over them in a mug for a cup of tea that tastes like
lemon candy.
If you grow Mint make sure to keep it away from anything else because it
will take over the world! I burried 8 inch boards around the mint to contain
it but it got around them and I'm still chasing it! I love chocolate mint
and Spearmint the most but a huge number of mints is available.
Savory is good for a ground cover and great in bean dishes and poultry. I
planted winter savory and it's spreading neatly over the years.

Hope this helps,
Jane

wrote in message
...


Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is the
true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is
for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice (sage)
and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Can anyone help me out with the full names of these so I buy the right
ones?

With thanks,
BL
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun
is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there
is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~

Herb growing question
 

In article , wrote:

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice (sage) and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Try picking varieties that have Italian-sounding names, like Basil
Genovese, or Napoletano, or Valentino, or Mostruoso, or Large-Leaved
Italian.

cheers,

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:57:07 GMT, "Jane"
wrote:

BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest some
of the traditional ones for you to find.

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Hope this helps,
Jane


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BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest
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of the traditional ones for you to find.

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Hope this helps,
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...Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know...


There must be 200 different basils out there. Most seed suppliers don't
carry more than 5 or 10. Many of the basil varieties taste very similar,
so there is not one variety that you should use. You will have to use
what tastes good to you.

We grow basil for PYO. Primarily Large Leaf (Johnny's Selected Seeds)
and everyone appears to be happy with it. We used to grow Genovese (also
Johnny's) and we couldn't tell the difference so we went with the larger
(about 20%) leaf variety. One person has asked about thai basil, but it
does have a different flavor and I don't want to mix them. We do grow
some purple basil, but most people use it to add a nice odor to PYO
flower boquets (we let it go to flower).

If you are planning to start individual plants, it's convenient to get
the pelleted seed. The seed is coated with clay to form a large pellet
which is easy to handle so you can place one seed pellet in a cell for
starting. If you are direct seeding, you can use either pelleted or
regular. If you are using a mechanical seeder (e.g. earthway), the
pelleted seed tends to get caught in the seed plates and jam the seeder.
In that case the regular seed is better.

The pelleted seed costs a bit more, but in small quantities it's not
significant. However, pelleted seed is sometimes primed (pre-germinated
for more uniform emergence), so it will not hold over to the next
season. Don't buy more pelleted seed than you are going to use this
year.

Herb growing question
 

THANKYOU so much for your reply. It is really informative and *just* what I
needed.

Thankyou again.
Blue L.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:57:07 GMT, "Jane" wrote:

BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest some
of the traditional ones for you to find.
English Thyme or Common Thyme (thymus vulgaris) are most popular but I also
grow and love Lemon thyme( thymus citriodorus) just as you'd expect it to
taste.
French Tarragon is the best. (artimesia dracunculus)
The Rosemary ( rosemary officinalis)I like the best is Tuscan Blue but if
you're down south a bit you could really have a great time with Prostrate
rosemary because it makes a gorgeous and fragrant groundcover that cascades
over walls with little pale purple flowers.
Sage is only good for eating in my opinion if it's Salvia officinalis. The
tricolor ones and large leaf ones don't have as nice a flavor. But Pineapple
sage is a good second type of sage to get because it has red flowers and an
amazing fragrance.
The spiciest Oregano is Greek Oregano ( O.vulgare subsp. hirtum) but the
Italian (O.onites) is more like sweet marjoram.
Then there's Basil (Ocimum basilicum) which is so great in every flavor. The
classic one is Sweet Basil, or Mammoth sweet Basil. The pretty ones are
Purple Ruffles and that works great when used fresh in salads and cold
dishes. I also love the African Blue basil for the beautiful plants that
attract honeybees to my garden. The Thai Basil is great if you like Asian
food. it has a slightly licorice taste and it's also very pretty.
Bay Laurel (Laurus nobilis) can grow over winter where it's warm but I take
mine in every year in zone 6b.
Chives (Allium schoenoprasum) are easy. Garlic Chives are delicious and can
be a substitute for garlic in recipes if you're out of the real thing.
Dill (Anethum graveolens)depends on what you want it for. If you want dill
weed,plany Dukat. If you want seed heads for pickling, Long Island Mammoth
is good.
Fennel is really great if you like the anise flavor seeds or leaves. I grow
bronze fennel because i love the color. There is abulb type fennel if you
want to harvest and eat it Italian style, but it takes more space.
Lemon Balm is great! (Melissa officinalis) I pick three or four leaves and
pour boiling water over them in a mug for a cup of tea that tastes like
lemon candy.
If you grow Mint make sure to keep it away from anything else because it
will take over the world! I burried 8 inch boards around the mint to contain
it but it got around them and I'm still chasing it! I love chocolate mint
and Spearmint the most but a huge number of mints is available.
Savory is good for a ground cover and great in bean dishes and poultry. I
planted winter savory and it's spreading neatly over the years.

Hope this helps,
Jane

wrote in message
.. .


Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is the
true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is
for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice (sage)
and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Can anyone help me out with the full names of these so I buy the right
ones?

With thanks,
BL
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun
is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there
is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~


People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~

Herb growing question
 

On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:14:18 -0800, wrote:
Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is the true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice (sage) and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Americans don't specialize in precise botanical nomenclature, more's
the pity. Really cheap seed packets advertising "sage" or "dill" or
"basil" will probably include the proper name and be of maximum
culinary use. There are, as you say, zillions of varieties of basil.
'Globe' basil (tiny leaves on a cute, bush-shaped plant) are flavorful
and useful, as are 'Lettuce (leaf) varietes. 'Lemon' or 'Thai' or
other modifiers often indicate specialty flavors, or appearance
('ruby').

For culinary pruposes, look for an unmodified name -- thyme, basil,
sage, mint, etc. I have (or, given this past winter, may have
previously had) a semi-miniature bonsai variety of rosemary, but the
unmodified rosemary plant is doing quite nicely. Fragrant and
delicious with chicken.

Herb growing question
 

Glad to be able to help.
Jane
wrote in message
...

THANKYOU so much for your reply. It is really informative and *just* what
I
needed.

Thankyou again.
Blue L.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:57:07 GMT, "Jane"
wrote:

BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest
some
of the traditional ones for you to find.
English Thyme or Common Thyme (thymus vulgaris) are most popular but I
also
grow and love Lemon thyme( thymus citriodorus) just as you'd expect it to
taste.
French Tarragon is the best. (artimesia dracunculus)
The Rosemary ( rosemary officinalis)I like the best is Tuscan Blue but if
you're down south a bit you could really have a great time with Prostrate
rosemary because it makes a gorgeous and fragrant groundcover that
cascades
over walls with little pale purple flowers.
Sage is only good for eating in my opinion if it's Salvia officinalis.
The
tricolor ones and large leaf ones don't have as nice a flavor. But
Pineapple
sage is a good second type of sage to get because it has red flowers and
an
amazing fragrance.
The spiciest Oregano is Greek Oregano ( O.vulgare subsp. hirtum) but the
Italian (O.onites) is more like sweet marjoram.
Then there's Basil (Ocimum basilicum) which is so great in every flavor.
The
classic one is Sweet Basil, or Mammoth sweet Basil. The pretty ones are
Purple Ruffles and that works great when used fresh in salads and cold
dishes. I also love the African Blue basil for the beautiful plants that
attract honeybees to my garden. The Thai Basil is great if you like Asian
food. it has a slightly licorice taste and it's also very pretty.
Bay Laurel (Laurus nobilis) can grow over winter where it's warm but I
take
mine in every year in zone 6b.
Chives (Allium schoenoprasum) are easy. Garlic Chives are delicious and
can
be a substitute for garlic in recipes if you're out of the real thing.
Dill (Anethum graveolens)depends on what you want it for. If you want
dill
weed,plany Dukat. If you want seed heads for pickling, Long Island
Mammoth
is good.
Fennel is really great if you like the anise flavor seeds or leaves. I
grow
bronze fennel because i love the color. There is abulb type fennel if you
want to harvest and eat it Italian style, but it takes more space.
Lemon Balm is great! (Melissa officinalis) I pick three or four leaves
and
pour boiling water over them in a mug for a cup of tea that tastes like
lemon candy.
If you grow Mint make sure to keep it away from anything else because it
will take over the world! I burried 8 inch boards around the mint to
contain
it but it got around them and I'm still chasing it! I love chocolate
mint
and Spearmint the most but a huge number of mints is available.
Savory is good for a ground cover and great in bean dishes and poultry. I
planted winter savory and it's spreading neatly over the years.

Hope this helps,
Jane

wrote in message
.. .


Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is
the
true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the
herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one
is
for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice
(sage)
and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Can anyone help me out with the full names of these so I buy the right
ones?

With thanks,
BL
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the
sun
is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if
there
is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~


People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun
is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there
is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~

Herb growing question
 

Hi Jane - Yes, what a 'great response' all right! - Wow! - so much useful and
interesting information! - Many thanks from here too! - Wes/MO

Herb growing question
 

Nice Summary Jane, on a side note I like Bergarten Sage, has a nice
flavor and is rather cold hardy. Also love the flavor of globe basils,
just chop them up stems and all if it's fairly new growth. I second
your opinion of Bronze Fennel, I have it growing like crazy as a
foundation planting near the back door on the south side of the house.
I leave the stems and seed heads up for winter interest. it self sows
freely...VERY freely!G Swallowtails butterflies love it too.

I second your vote on the Oregano, much prefer the Greek to the
Italian, though I usually blend them after drying for storage and use
in cooking. I have one Rosemary that I am not sure of the variety,
bought it as Tuscan Blue but it has very narrow leaves almost needle
like and much sharper taste, with almost pure white flowers. I also
have a Tuscan Blue that I use for Lamb and such, I use the other one
as smoke material for the grill.

Lost my last two Bay trees to some sort of disease, heart turned dark
and the bark split, so I have to replace them this year. Not a big fan
of Tarragon so I don;t grow it but I do grow Lavender for use in Herbs
De Provence, and also just because I like it.

As for the rest of your list, have you been peeking in my back yard?
G

Dave Fouchey
Sterling Heights, MI Zone 5 or so


On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:57:07 GMT, "Jane"
wrote:

BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest some
of the traditional ones for you to find.
English Thyme or Common Thyme (thymus vulgaris) are most popular but I also
grow and love Lemon thyme( thymus citriodorus) just as you'd expect it to
taste.
French Tarragon is the best. (artimesia dracunculus)
The Rosemary ( rosemary officinalis)I like the best is Tuscan Blue but if
you're down south a bit you could really have a great time with Prostrate
rosemary because it makes a gorgeous and fragrant groundcover that cascades
over walls with little pale purple flowers.
Sage is only good for eating in my opinion if it's Salvia officinalis. The
tricolor ones and large leaf ones don't have as nice a flavor. But Pineapple
sage is a good second type of sage to get because it has red flowers and an
amazing fragrance.
The spiciest Oregano is Greek Oregano ( O.vulgare subsp. hirtum) but the
Italian (O.onites) is more like sweet marjoram.
Then there's Basil (Ocimum basilicum) which is so great in every flavor. The
classic one is Sweet Basil, or Mammoth sweet Basil. The pretty ones are
Purple Ruffles and that works great when used fresh in salads and cold
dishes. I also love the African Blue basil for the beautiful plants that
attract honeybees to my garden. The Thai Basil is great if you like Asian
food. it has a slightly licorice taste and it's also very pretty.
Bay Laurel (Laurus nobilis) can grow over winter where it's warm but I take
mine in every year in zone 6b.
Chives (Allium schoenoprasum) are easy. Garlic Chives are delicious and can
be a substitute for garlic in recipes if you're out of the real thing.
Dill (Anethum graveolens)depends on what you want it for. If you want dill
weed,plany Dukat. If you want seed heads for pickling, Long Island Mammoth
is good.
Fennel is really great if you like the anise flavor seeds or leaves. I grow
bronze fennel because i love the color. There is abulb type fennel if you
want to harvest and eat it Italian style, but it takes more space.
Lemon Balm is great! (Melissa officinalis) I pick three or four leaves and
pour boiling water over them in a mug for a cup of tea that tastes like
lemon candy.
If you grow Mint make sure to keep it away from anything else because it
will take over the world! I burried 8 inch boards around the mint to contain
it but it got around them and I'm still chasing it! I love chocolate mint
and Spearmint the most but a huge number of mints is available.
Savory is good for a ground cover and great in bean dishes and poultry. I
planted winter savory and it's spreading neatly over the years.

Hope this helps,
Jane

wrote in message
.. .


Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is the
true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one is
for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice (sage)
and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Can anyone help me out with the full names of these so I buy the right
ones?

With thanks,
BL
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun
is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there
is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~

Herb growing question
 

Hi Dave, Thanks! Sounds like we have alot in common. You like to cook too
huh? Would you like some seeds from my stash? I haven't been to Michigan to
poke around your backyard but I do know how to get to the local post office.
I think maybe they substituted one of your rosemaries for something like
ARP. If you like Lavender maybe you'd enjoy some Hidcote? It's alittle
shorter and deeper purple and very very fragrant. I make sleeping pillows
and bath tea from it. I'd like to try Bergarten sage again. I'm in a
different zone here than last time I had it and it just tasted like wood.
Got seeds?
I'm only half kidding here....
Jane

"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message
...
Nice Summary Jane, on a side note I like Bergarten Sage, has a nice
flavor and is rather cold hardy. Also love the flavor of globe basils,
just chop them up stems and all if it's fairly new growth. I second
your opinion of Bronze Fennel, I have it growing like crazy as a
foundation planting near the back door on the south side of the house.
I leave the stems and seed heads up for winter interest. it self sows
freely...VERY freely!G Swallowtails butterflies love it too.

I second your vote on the Oregano, much prefer the Greek to the
Italian, though I usually blend them after drying for storage and use
in cooking. I have one Rosemary that I am not sure of the variety,
bought it as Tuscan Blue but it has very narrow leaves almost needle
like and much sharper taste, with almost pure white flowers. I also
have a Tuscan Blue that I use for Lamb and such, I use the other one
as smoke material for the grill.

Lost my last two Bay trees to some sort of disease, heart turned dark
and the bark split, so I have to replace them this year. Not a big fan
of Tarragon so I don;t grow it but I do grow Lavender for use in Herbs
De Provence, and also just because I like it.

As for the rest of your list, have you been peeking in my back yard?
G

Dave Fouchey
Sterling Heights, MI Zone 5 or so


On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:57:07 GMT, "Jane"
wrote:

BL I have an herb garden and I have many different varieties of herbs for
cooking. It depends on which ones you personally like but I'll suggest
some
of the traditional ones for you to find.
English Thyme or Common Thyme (thymus vulgaris) are most popular but I
also
grow and love Lemon thyme( thymus citriodorus) just as you'd expect it to
taste.
French Tarragon is the best. (artimesia dracunculus)
The Rosemary ( rosemary officinalis)I like the best is Tuscan Blue but if
you're down south a bit you could really have a great time with Prostrate
rosemary because it makes a gorgeous and fragrant groundcover that
cascades
over walls with little pale purple flowers.
Sage is only good for eating in my opinion if it's Salvia officinalis.
The
tricolor ones and large leaf ones don't have as nice a flavor. But
Pineapple
sage is a good second type of sage to get because it has red flowers and
an
amazing fragrance.
The spiciest Oregano is Greek Oregano ( O.vulgare subsp. hirtum) but the
Italian (O.onites) is more like sweet marjoram.
Then there's Basil (Ocimum basilicum) which is so great in every flavor.
The
classic one is Sweet Basil, or Mammoth sweet Basil. The pretty ones are
Purple Ruffles and that works great when used fresh in salads and cold
dishes. I also love the African Blue basil for the beautiful plants that
attract honeybees to my garden. The Thai Basil is great if you like Asian
food. it has a slightly licorice taste and it's also very pretty.
Bay Laurel (Laurus nobilis) can grow over winter where it's warm but I
take
mine in every year in zone 6b.
Chives (Allium schoenoprasum) are easy. Garlic Chives are delicious and
can
be a substitute for garlic in recipes if you're out of the real thing.
Dill (Anethum graveolens)depends on what you want it for. If you want
dill
weed,plany Dukat. If you want seed heads for pickling, Long Island
Mammoth
is good.
Fennel is really great if you like the anise flavor seeds or leaves. I
grow
bronze fennel because i love the color. There is abulb type fennel if you
want to harvest and eat it Italian style, but it takes more space.
Lemon Balm is great! (Melissa officinalis) I pick three or four leaves
and
pour boiling water over them in a mug for a cup of tea that tastes like
lemon candy.
If you grow Mint make sure to keep it away from anything else because it
will take over the world! I burried 8 inch boards around the mint to
contain
it but it got around them and I'm still chasing it! I love chocolate
mint
and Spearmint the most but a huge number of mints is available.
Savory is good for a ground cover and great in bean dishes and poultry. I
planted winter savory and it's spreading neatly over the years.

Hope this helps,
Jane

wrote in message
.. .


Having grown Russian Tarragon only to discover that French Tarragon is
the
true
tarragon for cooking, can anyone tell me the correct names for the
herbs
Sage, Rosemary and Basil, used for cooking purposes?

Last year I noticed there were about 20 different basils, but which one
is
for
cooking italian dishes, I just don't know. Same for poultry spice
(sage)
and
rosemary for potatoe dishes.

Can anyone help me out with the full names of these so I buy the right
ones?

With thanks,
BL
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the
sun
is out,
but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if
there
is a
light from within. ~Elizabeth Kübler-Ross~

Herb growing question
 

I think herbs are great for beginner gardeners, they are so very easy to grow.
Colleen
Connecticut