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I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to
get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. Heather -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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"Heather" wrote in message ... I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. Heather Milky spore bacteria, it takes acouple of years to work, but it is grub specific, and non toxic to other things, and is damn near permanent. Len |
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Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at
the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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Heather,
Ian here in Brampton, another part of the GTA that has the grub infestation. A word of advice: I don't know if it was Diazinon I used, but I bought some grub killer chemical at Home Depot a few years ago, applied it to my lawn as the directions instructed, and it did indeed kill the grubs. Also killed the mourning doves, a few starlings, and a robin. I now hire the pros to apply my grub insecticides, their mixture is safer (or less toxic anyhow) for animals and humans than some of the stuff you can buy at HD. I leave it to the professionals to mess with the chemicals now. "Heather" wrote in message ... Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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Ian - Thanks for your advice.....Small World I live in Brampton also!!! I
am very worried about the chemicals that both the professionals use and also what is available at the Home Depot and other stores for just that reason. I have a small dog and lots of birds in the area. Ceratinly don't want to be killing any of them just for the grubs. Another guy suggested the Milky Spot and from what I can see from some quick research on the net it looks as though it is non-toxic and will take the grubs away. I may give that a try and see where it goes. Thanks again, Heather "Ian" wrote in message .rogers.com... Heather, Ian here in Brampton, another part of the GTA that has the grub infestation. A word of advice: I don't know if it was Diazinon I used, but I bought some grub killer chemical at Home Depot a few years ago, applied it to my lawn as the directions instructed, and it did indeed kill the grubs. Also killed the mourning doves, a few starlings, and a robin. I now hire the pros to apply my grub insecticides, their mixture is safer (or less toxic anyhow) for animals and humans than some of the stuff you can buy at HD. I leave it to the professionals to mess with the chemicals now. "Heather" wrote in message ... Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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"Heather" wrote in message ... Ian - Thanks for your advice.....Small World I live in Brampton also!!! I am very worried about the chemicals that both the professionals use and also what is available at the Home Depot and other stores for just that reason. I have a small dog and lots of birds in the area. Ceratinly don't want to be killing any of them just for the grubs. Another guy suggested the Milky Spot and from what I can see from some quick research on the net it looks as though it is non-toxic and will take the grubs away. I may give that a try and see where it goes. Thanks again, Heather Thanks for your advice Once again, Milky Spore bacteria, it only kills beetle grubs, nothing else. It takes a couple of years to be totally effective, but works for decades. So you won't be spreading a broad spectrum insecticide( read kills everything),every year, like the previous poster. Diazinon a serious poison, that probably should have never have been made available to the general public. I think it is going the way of choridane, that is outlawed Len. |
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Once again, Milky Spore bacteria, it only kills beetle grubs, nothing else.
I put Milky Spore down just last year after YEARS of being invaded by these pests. I live in the sunny (and japanese beetle heaven) of Charlotte, NC. As of today I have found a total of 2 (yes two) grubs whom I quickly dispatched. This from a yard where I dug up 1/2 the back yard to kill these suckers and then gave up over sheer quantity. The BONUS is that it IS a biological control and so does NOT kill my earthworms, birds, PETS or anything other desireables. I don't have to worry about my son playing in the yard and washing his hands. There are no cancer or poison warnings on milky spore or green lace wings or lady bugs. Where ever possible BIO is the way to go. Just my 2 cents......... Christine |
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Yes, Diazinon can be purchased at probably any place that carries bug killers
etc, certainly at Home Depot etc. For lawn control you'll mix several tablespoons (read directions carefully) with water in a garden hose sprayer, then spray that diluted mixture (which gets diluted even more since its now mixing with the water in the hose) all over the lawn and water profusely. Diazinon is strong stuff and depending upon the mixture (dilution) used can be used for all manner of bug control. I hate using chemicles myself but sometimes they really do the trick. Heather wrote: Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo |
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Was it in liquid form or tiny pellets? Diazinon is available in both for grubs
but I'd never use the granular type for exactly the reasons you state. Liquid with heavy watering after goes way down into the ground. We never noted a decrease in the bird etc population nor any dead ones from it in our yard. Ian wrote: Heather, Ian here in Brampton, another part of the GTA that has the grub infestation. A word of advice: I don't know if it was Diazinon I used, but I bought some grub killer chemical at Home Depot a few years ago, applied it to my lawn as the directions instructed, and it did indeed kill the grubs. Also killed the mourning doves, a few starlings, and a robin. -- John S. DeBoo |
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FWIW, we have 2 dogs too and it never bothered them in the least. In fact I use
it to spray around the house exterior and it doesn't seem to bother them. I definately do not let them get near it while its wet though. Heather wrote: Ian - Thanks for your advice.....Small World I live in Brampton also!!! I am very worried about the chemicals that both the professionals use and also what is available at the Home Depot and other stores for just that reason. I have a small dog and lots of birds in the area. Ceratinly don't want to be killing any of them just for the grubs. Another guy suggested the Milky Spot and from what I can see from some quick research on the net it looks as though it is non-toxic and will take the grubs away. I may give that a try and see where it goes. -- John S. DeBoo |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:33:59 -0600, "John S. DeBoo"
wrote: we have 2 dogs too and it never bothered them in the least. Now there's a reliable obcervation....NOT "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:31:05 -0600, "John S. DeBoo"
wrote: We never noted a decrease in the bird etc population nor any dead ones from it in our yard. On the basis of your limited experience we should also kill our soil and pollute or homes? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:33:59 -0600, "John S. DeBoo" wrote: we have 2 dogs too and it never bothered them in the least. Now there's a reliable obcervation....NOT It is well known that dogs are totally resistant to the Marphistes virus, which is spread by many types of grubs. The Marphistes mite mates in the summer and in the fall the female lays her eggs in the ground where they are washed deep underground by fall rains. The virus spreads from the larvae to all living organisms underground, especially to the larvae of the green june beetle, the japanese beetle and the mole cricket. The virus enters the larvae through the middle of their raster patterns (and you know what that means!!!). From there, the Marphistes virus is carried throughout the entire world, except to members of the canine community, because they were given original immunity by Noah, back when he was captain of the Ark. I know this sounds fishy, but I swear by Saddam's moustache that it's the truth! |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:28:56 GMT, "len" wrote:
Once again, Milky Spore bacteria, it only kills beetle grubs, nothing else. It takes a couple of years to be totally effective, but works for decades. So you won't be spreading a broad spectrum insecticide( read kills everything),every year, like the previous poster. Diazinon a serious poison, that probably should have never have been made available to the general public. I think it is going the way of choridane, that is outlawed Len. Diazinon is being phased out and will no longer be on the shelves of any commercial store. They may still have it in use for pro's, but it is so toxic and persistent it was removed from the market and will be fully phased out next year. |
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I've worked in the pesticide industry for several years now and would
like to not that Diazinon is the LAST chemical that would be used for grub control. Diazinon when used to kill grubs has to be used at extreamly high concentrations and also Diazinon is usually only about 50-60% effective. We now use merit which is several times safer and over 90% effective ourselves. I don't think however that is it available to the general public. Diazinon is part of the Organophosphates family of pesticides and is a irreversible ChE inhibitor it attacks the cyatic nerve. Which is why we prefer not to use it often while the amount required to harm anything other than insects is quite high repeated exposure is not recomended. "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Yes, Diazinon can be purchased at probably any place that carries bug killers etc, certainly at Home Depot etc. For lawn control you'll mix several tablespoons (read directions carefully) with water in a garden hose sprayer, then spray that diluted mixture (which gets diluted even more since its now mixing with the water in the hose) all over the lawn and water profusely. Diazinon is strong stuff and depending upon the mixture (dilution) used can be used for all manner of bug control. I hate using chemicles myself but sometimes they really do the trick. Heather wrote: Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. |
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Diazinon is now a restricted pesticide because of its high potential for human
toxicity, not to mention other environmental concerns. As of 2002, it can no longer be marketed to retailers for residential use, although some product may still remain on store shelves, but by August of this year even those must be removed and destroyed. I certainly would not recommend anyone consider using this product, even if you can find it on store shelves. Grub control can easily be accomplished by other, less toxic means such as better cultural care and benenficial nematodes. pam - gardengal "John S. DeBoo" wrote: Yes, Diazinon can be purchased at probably any place that carries bug killers etc, certainly at Home Depot etc. For lawn control you'll mix several tablespoons (read directions carefully) with water in a garden hose sprayer, then spray that diluted mixture (which gets diluted even more since its now mixing with the water in the hose) all over the lawn and water profusely. Diazinon is strong stuff and depending upon the mixture (dilution) used can be used for all manner of bug control. I hate using chemicles myself but sometimes they really do the trick. Heather wrote: Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo |
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I was at a local garden center today, and they had a display advising you to
incorporate diazinon in your onion set plantings, to control onion maggots. Shudder Perhaps they were trying to clear inventory before the complete ban goes into effect. Sue Zone 6, Southcentral PA "Pam" wrote in message ... Diazinon is now a restricted pesticide because of its high potential for human toxicity, not to mention other environmental concerns. As of 2002, it can no longer be marketed to retailers for residential use, although some product may still remain on store shelves, but by August of this year even those must be removed and destroyed. I certainly would not recommend anyone consider using this product, even if you can find it on store shelves. Grub control can easily be accomplished by other, less toxic means such as better cultural care and benenficial nematodes. pam - gardengal "John S. DeBoo" wrote: Yes, Diazinon can be purchased at probably any place that carries bug killers etc, certainly at Home Depot etc. For lawn control you'll mix several tablespoons (read directions carefully) with water in a garden hose sprayer, then spray that diluted mixture (which gets diluted even more since its now mixing with the water in the hose) all over the lawn and water profusely. Diazinon is strong stuff and depending upon the mixture (dilution) used can be used for all manner of bug control. I hate using chemicles myself but sometimes they really do the trick. Heather wrote: Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:31:05 -0600, "John S. DeBoo" wrote: We never noted a decrease in the bird etc population nor any dead ones from it in our yard. On the basis of your limited experience we should also kill our soil and pollute or homes? Is your name Richard? You sure act like a dick! I simply responded to someone elses query and gave my experience trying to be helpful, nothing more, nothing less. -- John S. DeBoo |
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Ken wrote:
I've worked in the pesticide industry for several years now and would like to not that Diazinon is the LAST chemical that would be used for grub control. Diazinon when used to kill grubs has to be used at extreamly high concentrations and also Diazinon is usually only about 50-60% effective. Thanks for your expertise, seriously. My mixture was 2-3 tbsp in a quart hose sprayer that was filled with water, then of course diluted further when sprayed with the water hose, then further diluted when watered all night long. Doesn't seem real strong but then my knowledge of chemicals as compared to yours is far less. Thanks again for the info. We now use merit which is several times safer and over 90% effective ourselves. I don't think however that is it available to the general public. Hmmm, I wonder why? Probably can't figure out how much to charge the public I suppose or its off the general market by agreement so that we can be overcharged by professionals. Like a lot of other things anymore. I'm not in the least saying that Pros are unreliable, do a poor job or are trying to shaft people, simply that its harder and harder for a DIYer to save a few bucks anymore with this sort of stuff going on. -- John S. DeBoo |
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:13:58 -0600, "John S. DeBoo"
wrote: I simply responded to someone elses query and gave my experience Doobee, You represented a dangerous product as harmless! Very simple observation ill founded observation contrary to fact. "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:23:03 -0600, "John S. DeBoo"
wrote: Ken wrote: I've worked in the pesticide industry for several years now and would like to not that Diazinon is the LAST chemical that would be used for grub control. Diazinon when used to kill grubs has to be used at extreamly high concentrations and also Diazinon is usually only about 50-60% effective. Thanks for your expertise, seriously. My mixture was 2-3 tbsp in a quart hose sprayer that was filled with water, then of course diluted further when sprayed with the water hose, then further diluted when watered all night long. Doesn't seem real strong but then my knowledge of chemicals as compared to yours is far less. Thanks again for the info. We now use merit which is several times safer and over 90% effective ourselves. I don't think however that is it available to the general public. Hmmm, I wonder why? Probably can't figure out how much to charge the public I suppose or its off the general market by agreement so that we can be overcharged by professionals. Like a lot of other things anymore. I'm not in the least saying that Pros are unreliable, do a poor job or are trying to shaft people, simply that its harder and harder for a DIYer to save a few bucks anymore with this sort of stuff going on. No gone cuz idiots make observations like, "not very strong" based on incompetence in the use of dangerous chemicals. No "professional" gardener needs to use Diazinon. Go back and read Pam's posts, she's polite and takes the time to explain it to dunderheads with conspiratorial theories. "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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Oh great!! Then I suppose they assume you are going to eat them??
SugarChile wrote: I was at a local garden center today, and they had a display advising you to incorporate diazinon in your onion set plantings, to control onion maggots. Shudder Perhaps they were trying to clear inventory before the complete ban goes into effect. Sue Zone 6, Southcentral PA "Pam" wrote in message ... Diazinon is now a restricted pesticide because of its high potential for human toxicity, not to mention other environmental concerns. As of 2002, it can no longer be marketed to retailers for residential use, although some product may still remain on store shelves, but by August of this year even those must be removed and destroyed. I certainly would not recommend anyone consider using this product, even if you can find it on store shelves. Grub control can easily be accomplished by other, less toxic means such as better cultural care and benenficial nematodes. pam - gardengal "John S. DeBoo" wrote: Yes, Diazinon can be purchased at probably any place that carries bug killers etc, certainly at Home Depot etc. For lawn control you'll mix several tablespoons (read directions carefully) with water in a garden hose sprayer, then spray that diluted mixture (which gets diluted even more since its now mixing with the water in the hose) all over the lawn and water profusely. Diazinon is strong stuff and depending upon the mixture (dilution) used can be used for all manner of bug control. I hate using chemicles myself but sometimes they really do the trick. Heather wrote: Never heard of this stuff before....Is this something that you can get at the store? like Home Depot, Canadian Tire, or local Garden Center or something like that? Does it harm the flowers in a flower bed? My grass buts up against some fairly new planting beds in the front and backyards and would hate to kill off all the planting I did last year. Thanks for your advice Heather Zone 6 - Toronto, Canada "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Heather wrote: I noticed grubs in our lawn and garden last year. What is the best way to get rid of these without hiring the professionals. I live in Toronto Canada and we are covered by snow right now but want to get a start to solving the problem once it's gone if possible. WE had them in our lawn in Albuquerque and I used Diazinon. After dilutinbg with water and spreading with a hose sprayer you need to water profusely so it soaks down intot he soil where these miserable critters live. I've yet to find a grub in our lawn since and we treated ours maybe 10 years ago. Thats my experience anyway. -- John S. DeBoo |
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"John S. DeBoo" wrote: We now use merit which is several times safer and over 90% effective ourselves. I don't think however that is it available to the general public. Hmmm, I wonder why? Probably can't figure out how much to charge the public I suppose or its off the general market by agreement so that we can be overcharged by professionals. Like a lot of other things anymore. I'm not in the least saying that Pros are unreliable, do a poor job or are trying to shaft people, simply that its harder and harder for a DIYer to save a few bucks anymore with this sort of stuff going on. Merit is certainly available for residential use. It is the trade name for imidacloprid, a chloronicotynil class of pesticides derived from nicotine sulfate. It is a neurotoxin which disrupts the nervous system of the insect, primarily paralyzing the mouth parts and resulting in starvation. It is registered for the control of various lawn grubs, among other insect problems. While this product has been found to be of relatively low toxicity to mammals, it is wise to keep in mind that nicotine is a pretty potent organic poison. I can certainly understand your desire to control insect problems that plague your lawn, but there is a much bigger picture to consider. The widespread use of pesticides is pretty recent in the overall scheme of things (since WWII) and there has only begun to be sufficient time to determine the long term impact many common pesticides have on environmental health and personal safety. That is why many formerly common and so-called 'safe' or low toxicity pesticides have now been pulled from residential use by the EPA - they have only recently determined that many of these have long term accumulative and negative implications on environmental health. And homeowners tend to be largest misusers of pesticides - either through ignorance, apathy or overuse. For homeowners (and environmentally responsible professionals) it is always preferrable to attempt to control insect and disease problems via the least toxic and intrusive methods, i.e., natural controls. There is a heirarchy of stages of control one should proceed with: * tolerance - learning to live with the problem or understanding what the appropriate damage threshold is (a reasonable percentage of insect damage or disease) *cultural - making sure soil and growing conditions are optimum *biological - using beneficial insects or other organisms *natural or organic controls - pesticides which are derived from substances found in nature (this is no guarantee against toxicity, however) *chemical controls - manufactured pesticides, eg. Diazinon You'll notice that chemical controls are at the bottom of the hierarchy, indicating they should be used as a last resort, only after other methods have failed to succeed. When you find that it is necessary to resort to any registered pesticide (including natural ones), it is of utmost importance that you read the label carefully and thoroughly and follow the directions to the letter. And personally, I would read whatever information I could find from any reputable scientific source (that does NOT include the manufacturer) that provided me with any additional information on the product in question before making a final decision for use. The times, they are a changing! pam - gardengal |
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:24:05 GMT, Pam wrote:
The times, they are a changing! pam - gardengal and as usual you do a stellar job of explaining it. (even if you do allow nasty Merit for poor ornamental gardeners) Regards, Dick "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:23:03 -0600, "John S. DeBoo" wrote: Ken wrote: I've worked in the pesticide industry for several years now and would like to not that Diazinon is the LAST chemical that would be used for grub control. Diazinon when used to kill grubs has to be used at extreamly high concentrations and also Diazinon is usually only about 50-60% effective. Thanks for your expertise, seriously. My mixture was 2-3 tbsp in a quart hose sprayer that was filled with water, then of course diluted further when sprayed with the water hose, then further diluted when watered all night long. Doesn't seem real strong but then my knowledge of chemicals as compared to yours is far less. Thanks again for the info. We now use merit which is several times safer and over 90% effective ourselves. I don't think however that is it available to the general public. Hmmm, I wonder why? Probably can't figure out how much to charge the public I suppose or its off the general market by agreement so that we can be overcharged by professionals. Like a lot of other things anymore. I'm not in the least saying that Pros are unreliable, do a poor job or are trying to shaft people, simply that its harder and harder for a DIYer to save a few bucks anymore with this sort of stuff going on. No gone cuz idiots make observations like, "not very strong" based on incompetence in the use of dangerous chemicals. No "professional" gardener needs to use Diazinon. Go back and read Pam's posts, she's polite and takes the time to explain it to dunderheads with conspiratorial theories. I don't know what your problem is but I'll bet its hard to pronounce. Bye bye Tommy... time to take your meds... -- John S. DeBoo |
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Pam wrote:
snip Merit is certainly available for residential use. It is the trade name for imidacloprid, a chloronicotynil class of pesticides derived from nicotine sulfate. It is a neurotoxin which disrupts the nervous system of the insect, primarily paralyzing the mouth parts and resulting in starvation. It is registered for the control of various lawn grubs, among other insect problems. Thank you also for your knowledge. The last time I used Diazinon was maybe 15 years ago for the grubs. Unknown what else was available then, or now really since they are no longer present in my lawn. I used what was recommended then and it worked. If they ever come back I'll do a lot more research first. -- John S. DeBoo |
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I have read somewhere that street lights and perhaps home security lights
may increase the number of grubs in one's lawn since the adults are attracted to the lights. Can anyone confirm this? Regards, Joe Morris Please remove ZAP to email me. "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Pam wrote: snip Merit is certainly available for residential use. It is the trade name for imidacloprid, a chloronicotynil class of pesticides derived from nicotine sulfate. It is a neurotoxin which disrupts the nervous system of the insect, primarily paralyzing the mouth parts and resulting in starvation. It is registered for the control of various lawn grubs, among other insect problems. Thank you also for your knowledge. The last time I used Diazinon was maybe 15 years ago for the grubs. Unknown what else was available then, or now really since they are no longer present in my lawn. I used what was recommended then and it worked. If they ever come back I'll do a lot more research first. -- John S. DeBoo |
Grubs
Joe Morris wrote:
I have read somewhere that street lights and perhaps home security lights may increase the number of grubs in one's lawn since the adults are attracted to the lights. Can anyone confirm this? Can't confirm or deny but we've had a street light on our property line for 5-6 years now and I've yet to find a grub in my lawn. "John S. DeBoo" wrote in message ... Pam wrote: snip Merit is certainly available for residential use. It is the trade name for imidacloprid, a chloronicotynil class of pesticides derived from nicotine sulfate. It is a neurotoxin which disrupts the nervous system of the insect, primarily paralyzing the mouth parts and resulting in starvation. It is registered for the control of various lawn grubs, among other insect problems. Thank you also for your knowledge. The last time I used Diazinon was maybe 15 years ago for the grubs. Unknown what else was available then, or now really since they are no longer present in my lawn. I used what was recommended then and it worked. If they ever come back I'll do a lot more research first. -- John S. DeBoo -- John S. DeBoo |
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