Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.

I agree and that is what I have. However, I also respect those who
want all that hard work to maintain a lawn. In my neighborhood the
men are such assholes they compete who can do a better job, and who
can make the most obnoxious noise doing it.

The only thing my husband does is mow the tiny lawn. Everything else
is cultivated beds...which need weeding!!!!!!!!

Jangchub wrote:

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:


Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


I agree and that is what I have. However, I also respect those who
want all that hard work to maintain a lawn. In my neighborhood the
men are such assholes they compete who can do a better job, and who
can make the most obnoxious noise doing it.

The only thing my husband does is mow the tiny lawn. Everything else
is cultivated beds...which need weeding!!!!!!!!
I like to tell my wife my goal is to have the second worst lawn on the
block. Just so someone driving down the street can't point to mine being
the worst. If I spend more time than that, I consider it a waste since
I'd prefer to tend to my specimens, tropicals, ornamental/whatever or go
inside and surf the net or watch a movie! hah!

Carl


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"Mean Mr Mustard" wrote in message
ups.com...
Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.

"Mean Mr Mustard" wrote in message
ups.com...
Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


You are right. It's the American way.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:29:36 -0400, "James"
wrote:


"Mean Mr Mustard" wrote in message
oups.com...
Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


You are right. It's the American way.


I almost hate to bring politics into this, but on 60 Minutes last
Sunday, Mike Wallace did his alpha dog thing with the president of
Iran and he was knocked off his stealth.

The Iranian was intelligent, tried to give answers, but was shut down
and asked to make simple answers of yes and no to many of his complex
questions.

I looked at that and thought, The Ugly American. I wonder if Wallace
has a lawn!

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:34:33 GMT, Jangchub wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:29:36 -0400, "James"
wrote:


"Mean Mr Mustard" wrote in message
roups.com...
Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


You are right. It's the American way.


I almost hate to bring politics into this, but on 60 Minutes last
Sunday, Mike Wallace did his alpha dog thing with the president of
Iran and he was knocked off his stealth.

The Iranian was intelligent, tried to give answers, but was shut down
and asked to make simple answers of yes and no to many of his complex
questions.

Wow - guess we weren't watching the same interview.

Amena-whathisname IS crazy (he belongs to a particularly virulent
branch of Islam), but crazy like a fox. He never did give an answer
to ANY of Mike Wallace's perfectly legitimate questions. He's tied
with our very own Condi Rice in using up air time giving long,
meaningless non-replies.

But Mr. Iran President, former mayor of Baghdad "Israel must be wiped
off the face of the earth" outdid Condi, as does any mouthpiece for
Islamic world hegemony, and now terrorism.

Ya gotta remember that the Arabic language (which I wish I had enuff
years left to learn!-- a glorious literature, especially poetry --
too little translated in the West) is what holds together
Arabic-speakers all over the world, regardless of their branch of
Islam, their ideology, whether they are Arabs or no, etc.

Arabic-speakers are in love with their language.

But they -- especially Arabs -- express themselves very differently
from English speakers and other speakers of Western-European
languages. They use what we would consider flowery, over-blown
rhetoric, littered with hair-raising figures of speech, and much
sabre-rattling. Also, the norm in Arabic language is to constantly
invoke the name of God. That is not my value judgment; it's actually
the way the language is used. (Visit MEMRI.org for translations of
Arabic-language materials.)

The Arab mind works differently from the pragmatic,
scientifically-oriented Western mind. (See the basic analytic work in
this field, by the late, great Raphael Patai "The Arab Mind",
companion volume to his "The Jewish Mind").

The Arabic mind envisions a thing; therefore it is as good as done.

I.E. how they view the wars which they actually lost, but which they
perceive differently. Most Arabs, especially the great masses who do
not have access to wider soources of information, live in a dream
world, harkening back 1300 years to the "good old days". If you dare
to wonder why the Arab countries (with the possible exception of
Turkey) are all repressive dictatorships that have to import
technology from abroad; that have no civil liberties or freedom of
religion; that oppress women and minorities; that have high levels of
unemployment and soaring birth ratea; that are obligated by their holy
book to kill all infidels who will not convert -- their answer is that
everything is somebody else's fault. Usually Israel; also the Great
Satan (the US) and its allies.

What a waste of potentially useful human capital!

Arab leaders and the uneducated masses they infuence never take
responsibility for the backwardness created by their own fanatical,
death-oriented drive to recreate the Caliphate world-wide. They have
been slaughtering each other for many hundreds of years over who is
the true successor to their founding prophet.

The only Arab intellectuals who see the need to bring the Arab
countries into the real world are writing from the Diaspora --London
or the U.S. Try it at home and you're jailed or killed.

Diogenes

In article , Diogenes
says...

But Mr. Iran President, former mayor of Baghdad "Israel must be wiped
off the face of the earth" outdid Condi, as does any mouthpiece for
Islamic world hegemony, and now terrorism.

Ya gotta remember that the Arabic language (which I wish I had enuff
years left to learn!-- [....]

So, let me see if I have this right.

The president of Iran used to be the mayor of Baghdad, and he's part of
a greater Arabic culture.

What's an Arabic-speaking Iraqi doing as president of Persia? Couldn't
find any qualified Iranians for the job?

Guess that means the Iranians are over the resentments of the Iran-Iraq
war....

--
is Joshua Putnam
http://www.phred.org/~josh/
Updated Bicycle Touring Books List:
http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/tourbooks.html

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:37:36 -0700, Joshua Putnam
wrote:

In article , Diogenes
says...

But Mr. Iran President, former mayor of Baghdad "Israel must be wiped
off the face of the earth" outdid Condi, as does any mouthpiece for
Islamic world hegemony, and now terrorism.

Ya gotta remember that the Arabic language (which I wish I had enuff
years left to learn!-- [....]

So, let me see if I have this right.

The president of Iran used to be the mayor of Baghdad, and he's part of
a greater Arabic culture.

What's an Arabic-speaking Iraqi doing as president of Persia? Couldn't
find any qualified Iranians for the job?

Guess that means the Iranians are over the resentments of the Iran-Iraq
war....

Yikes...my head was up my...

I meant mayor of TEHRAN!

Sorry.

Diogenes

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

Persephone wrote in message
...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

There's no point in mentioning it. Think about the two sides of that debate.
The stoopids who think the chemicals are safe will never believe otherwise
because they CANNOT believe otherwise. These ideas are too closely
intertwined with so many others, including politics. Ditch one idea and you
may have to ditch a dozen others.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:33:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Persephone wrote in message
m...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

There's no point in mentioning it. Think about the two sides of that debate.
The stoopids who think the chemicals are safe will never believe otherwise
because they CANNOT believe otherwise. These ideas are too closely
intertwined with so many others, including politics. Ditch one idea and you
may have to ditch a dozen others.



Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone

Persephone wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:33:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Persephone wrote in message
om...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

There's no point in mentioning it. Think about the two sides of that
debate.
The stoopids who think the chemicals are safe will never believe otherwise
because they CANNOT believe otherwise. These ideas are too closely
intertwined with so many others, including politics. Ditch one idea and
you
may have to ditch a dozen others.



Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone

You're obviously not one of the stupid people, Ms. P. As far as informing
people, the information is readily available through any of the news media
intended for adults.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:18:33 -0700, Persephone wrote:

Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone


On every bag of pesticide, which also includes herbicides there is a
WARNING or DANGER on the label. My sister in law figures if she
doubles the amount of Roundup she dilutes in the water it will kill
better. Clearly it tells people NOT to change how much you dilute,
and its probably even an unlawful act in some municipalities.

There is nothing I own which I didn't read the manual. If I read the
manual for a radio, wouldn't you think I would also take a gander at
the pesticide label? Didn't your interest peak when you put it out
asking yourself, gee how much of this goes out on the lawn. How did
you know how to use it? The information is out there, it's right on
the bag in English.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:24:06 GMT, Jangchub wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:18:33 -0700, Persephone wrote:

Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone


On every bag of pesticide, which also includes herbicides there is a
WARNING or DANGER on the label. My sister in law figures if she
doubles the amount of Roundup she dilutes in the water it will kill
better. Clearly it tells people NOT to change how much you dilute,
and its probably even an unlawful act in some municipalities.

There is nothing I own which I didn't read the manual. If I read the
manual for a radio, wouldn't you think I would also take a gander at
the pesticide label? Didn't your interest peak when you put it out
asking yourself, gee how much of this goes out on the lawn. How did
you know how to use it? The information is out there, it's right on
the bag in English.

My interest didn't peak because I never use the stuff; have never put
it on my lawn. If I had intended to use a pesticide/herbicide, I
would have read the entire label, just as is your practice.

Persephone