On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:03:01 -0700, Diogenes wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:37:36 -0700, Joshua Putnam
wrote:

In article , Diogenes
says...

But Mr. Iran President, former mayor of Baghdad "Israel must be wiped
off the face of the earth" outdid Condi, as does any mouthpiece for
Islamic world hegemony, and now terrorism.

Ya gotta remember that the Arabic language (which I wish I had enuff
years left to learn!-- [....]

So, let me see if I have this right.

The president of Iran used to be the mayor of Baghdad, and he's part of
a greater Arabic culture.

What's an Arabic-speaking Iraqi doing as president of Persia? Couldn't
find any qualified Iranians for the job?

Guess that means the Iranians are over the resentments of the Iran-Iraq
war....

Yikes...my head was up my...

I meant mayor of TEHRAN!

Sorry.

Diogenes

And, of course, I compounded the linguistic felony by taking off on my
(accurate) discussion of Arabic -- whereas Amena-whathisname was
speaking FARSI. I swear, there are days when it just doesn't pay to
get up in the morning...

In my own very feeble defense, I'll just say that terrorists do tend
to sound remarkably alike.

Amena-whathisname didn't pull out all the God stops in his interview
with Mike Wallace, like an Arabic speaker would.

There is plenty of material on the Web about his being a Holocaust
denier, and the usual stuff about the "Zionists", and on and on.
He belongs to a very extreme sect of Islam. From WikiPedia:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Membership in Hojjatieh Society

Ahmadinejad is believed by many to belong, or to have once belonged,
to the anti-Bahai and anti-Sunni clandestine society known as
Hojjatieh. An Islamic society to which Ahmadinejad belonged when he
attended Alm-u Sanat University was, according to an article that
appeared in the Asia Times Online, an extreme, traditional, and
fundamentalist group that maintained close links with Hojjatieh. Three
members of Ahmadinejad's cabinet are said to have Hojjatieh
backgrounds, including Hojatoleslam Gholam Hossein Mohseni-Ejehyi, the
intelligence chief who graduated from the Haqqani theological school,
founded by Hojjatieh. Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi, a Shi'ite
cleric closley associated with the school, issued a fatwa urging two
million members of the bassij Islamic militia to vote for Ahmadinejad
in the 2005 presidential elections.


Eschatology

Ahmadinejad's religious beliefs in the imminent return of the
"occulted" Shi'a Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi have alarmed some Western
commentators [26] [27]. In particular, remarks reportedly made after
his speech before the United Nations General Assembly have created
concern (translated):

On the last day when I was speaking before the assembly, one of
our group told me that when I started to say "In the name of God the
almighty and merciful," he saw a light around me, and I was placed
inside this aura. I felt it myself. *
I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28
minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink. When I say they
didn't bat an eyelid, I'm not exaggerating because I was looking at
them. And they were rapt.
It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their
eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic. [28]

*[Sounds like George "God told me to" Bush...scary!]

Former CIA officer Robert Baer said, in the context of evaluating a
nuclear strike on Iran, that Ahmadinejad and others in the Iranian
government are "apocalyptic Shiites... These guys are nuts and there's
no reason to back off." [29]

Some have conjectured that his actions are strictly a means of
bolstering his standing among Islamic fundamentalists. [30]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Diogenes

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:30:51 -0400, vincent p. norris
wrote:

Let's see what God might have to say about this:

Imagine the conversation The Creator might have had with St. Francis
on the subject of lawns:

This. Is. THE. Best !!!!

Am sending it to all my garden (and some non-garden) friends,
Author, may I have permission to send it to my local newspaper?

TIA

Persephone

[...snip...]

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

Persephone wrote in message
...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

There's no point in mentioning it. Think about the two sides of that debate.
The stoopids who think the chemicals are safe will never believe otherwise
because they CANNOT believe otherwise. These ideas are too closely
intertwined with so many others, including politics. Ditch one idea and you
may have to ditch a dozen others.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:16:14 -0700, Persephone wrote:

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

This is the 21st century. We've been warning people about pesticide
poisoning by laying on, and walking barefoot on lawns treated with
every manner of toxic waste. If, by this century people don't know
how to read a label, or know these things should not be used, maybe
they're just ignorant and why bother.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:16:14 -0700, Persephone wrote:

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

This is the 21st century. We've been warning people about pesticide
poisoning by laying on, and walking barefoot on lawns treated with
every manner of toxic waste. If, by this century people don't know
how to read a label, or know these things should not be used, maybe
they're just ignorant and why bother.

A former neighbor told me that the stuff Chem Lawn was spraying on her grass
was not unsafe if it drifted onto my vegetable garden. Why? "How could they
sell it if it wasn't safe?"

54% of the population's just like that.

Imagine the conversation The Creator might have had with St. Francis
on the subject of lawns:

This. Is. THE. Best !!!!

Am sending it to all my garden (and some non-garden) friends,
Author, may I have permission to send it to my local newspaper?

Hi, Persephone--

As far as I now, anything that comes down from Heaven is in the public
domain. IOW, I'm not the author, and I don't know who is. Feel free.

vince norris

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:57:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:16:14 -0700, Persephone wrote:

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

This is the 21st century. We've been warning people about pesticide
poisoning by laying on, and walking barefoot on lawns treated with
every manner of toxic waste. If, by this century people don't know
how to read a label, or know these things should not be used, maybe
they're just ignorant and why bother.

A former neighbor told me that the stuff Chem Lawn was spraying on her grass
was not unsafe if it drifted onto my vegetable garden. Why? "How could they
sell it if it wasn't safe?"

54% of the population's just like that.


Chem Lawn uses a mix of herbicide with its fertilizer. The herbicide
does not harm the grass, but it kills other weeds.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:57:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:16:14 -0700, Persephone wrote:

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

This is the 21st century. We've been warning people about pesticide
poisoning by laying on, and walking barefoot on lawns treated with
every manner of toxic waste. If, by this century people don't know
how to read a label, or know these things should not be used, maybe
they're just ignorant and why bother.

A former neighbor told me that the stuff Chem Lawn was spraying on her
grass
was not unsafe if it drifted onto my vegetable garden. Why? "How could
they
sell it if it wasn't safe?"

54% of the population's just like that.


Chem Lawn uses a mix of herbicide with its fertilizer. The herbicide
does not harm the grass, but it kills other weeds.

Are you responding to my paragraph, which began with "A former neighbor"? If
so, please try again. What you said is not pertinent to the issue.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:33:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Persephone wrote in message
m...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

There's no point in mentioning it. Think about the two sides of that debate.
The stoopids who think the chemicals are safe will never believe otherwise
because they CANNOT believe otherwise. These ideas are too closely
intertwined with so many others, including politics. Ditch one idea and you
may have to ditch a dozen others.



Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone

Persephone wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:33:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Persephone wrote in message
om...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.


Really surprising that no one in this thread has mentioned the danger
to babies and children from playing on lawns poisoned by weed-killers
and other harsh lawn chemicals. Many parents will not let their
children play on a friend's lawn unless they check with the parents
about chemical use.

Persphone

There's no point in mentioning it. Think about the two sides of that
debate.
The stoopids who think the chemicals are safe will never believe otherwise
because they CANNOT believe otherwise. These ideas are too closely
intertwined with so many others, including politics. Ditch one idea and
you
may have to ditch a dozen others.



Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone

You're obviously not one of the stupid people, Ms. P. As far as informing
people, the information is readily available through any of the news media
intended for adults.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:18:33 -0700, Persephone wrote:

Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone


On every bag of pesticide, which also includes herbicides there is a
WARNING or DANGER on the label. My sister in law figures if she
doubles the amount of Roundup she dilutes in the water it will kill
better. Clearly it tells people NOT to change how much you dilute,
and its probably even an unlawful act in some municipalities.

There is nothing I own which I didn't read the manual. If I read the
manual for a radio, wouldn't you think I would also take a gander at
the pesticide label? Didn't your interest peak when you put it out
asking yourself, gee how much of this goes out on the lawn. How did
you know how to use it? The information is out there, it's right on
the bag in English.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:24:06 GMT, Jangchub wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:18:33 -0700, Persephone wrote:

Respectfully disagree. I thought myself well-informed on such
environmental issues, but it took a visit to a friend who didn't let
her child play on pesticide-ed lawns to raise my consciousness.

I suspect there are many well-intentioned people out there who have
never had the issue come to their attention, and who would take swift
action once they were informed.

The question is how to get the information out there.

Maybe PSAs on TV?

Persephone


On every bag of pesticide, which also includes herbicides there is a
WARNING or DANGER on the label. My sister in law figures if she
doubles the amount of Roundup she dilutes in the water it will kill
better. Clearly it tells people NOT to change how much you dilute,
and its probably even an unlawful act in some municipalities.

There is nothing I own which I didn't read the manual. If I read the
manual for a radio, wouldn't you think I would also take a gander at
the pesticide label? Didn't your interest peak when you put it out
asking yourself, gee how much of this goes out on the lawn. How did
you know how to use it? The information is out there, it's right on
the bag in English.

My interest didn't peak because I never use the stuff; have never put
it on my lawn. If I had intended to use a pesticide/herbicide, I
would have read the entire label, just as is your practice.

Persephone

On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.

So don't have one. Voila!

I have in the far past lived near citys that your landscaping was a major
part of the citys codes, in otherwords, if you din't have a good lawn with
some flower beds you faced a fine from the city. I ran a lawn service and
servered many of those lawns. Ofcourse for flower beds I'd build a line of
rose bushs along some hidden watering lines. I kow of one guy who's lawn I
just once a week took a water hose and washed it off, it was all astroturf
and the city didn't like it but could't do anything about it.



--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.


The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html


"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On 13 Aug 2006 14:50:01 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Look fake, poisonous and manufactured by Chem-Lawn. Gimme clovers,
dandelions, mole trails, grub damage and moss any day.

So don't have one. Voila!