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I shopped online for info on PREEN, which is supposed to control weeds. They
had no info on the site on particulars on the vegetable varieties you can use it on. So I go get a box and they have a NEW web site TONIGHT. It says not to use it on sweet corn. Has anyone used this on corn with success? IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? chaz- |
Preen In Corn?
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote:
IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? messing up germination? sheesh, what about poisoning yor family? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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PREEN is a germination inhibitor. Applying it to any sort of seed bed, corn or
your lawn, will inhibit germination. --beeky chaz wrote: I shopped online for info on PREEN, which is supposed to control weeds. They had no info on the site on particulars on the vegetable varieties you can use it on. So I go get a box and they have a NEW web site TONIGHT. It says not to use it on sweet corn. Has anyone used this on corn with success? IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? chaz- |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote: IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? messing up germination? sheesh, what about poisoning yor family? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson I understand you to say you dont prefer chemical treatment in a garden. As much as I understand that, there is little room for your type of reply. If you have no experience with the product, refrain from responding. |
Preen In Corn?
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote:
So I go get a box and they have a NEW web site TONIGHT. It says not to use it on sweet corn. Read the entire label, some restrictions only apply to certain states but if the label says don't use it on sweet corn, then don't use it on sweet corn. |
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chaz wrote:
Tom Jaszewski wrote in message . .. On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote: IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? messing up germination? sheesh, what about poisoning yor family? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson I understand you to say you dont prefer chemical treatment in a garden. As much as I understand that, there is little room for your type of reply. If you have no experience with the product, refrain from responding. You don't know why the warning not to use on corn. Preen is a restricted use herbicide. Not that it matters, but it is illegal to use it on corn, just because the label says so. You have to assume that it can't be used on corn because it is unsafe to do so. I have no experience with the product; I don't need any experience with it to know that you need to follow the label directions. Regards, Bob -- Have a Windows® computer that is powered on for hours at a time? Join the search for a cure for cancer: http://grid.org/projects/cancer/ |
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Are you crazy? You would actually use a product which is toxic and labeled NOT
FOR USE ON VEGETABLES and then eat it? Wow. The mind boggles. On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote: I shopped online for info on PREEN, which is supposed to control weeds. They had no info on the site on particulars on the vegetable varieties you can use it on. So I go get a box and they have a NEW web site TONIGHT. It says not to use it on sweet corn. Has anyone used this on corn with success? IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? chaz- |
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Let's not get carried away, folks! First, Preen is NOT a restricted use pesticide - it is a general use
pesticide that is readily available to homeowners for residential use. It has very low mammalian toxicity by both oral, dermal and inhalation methods of exposure, nearly to the point of being nontoxic. Second, it IS registered for use on many vegetables with a few restrictions, sweet corn, lettuce, spinach and beets among them. It does have a rather long half life in the soil, so use in vegetables beds where you intend to direct sow is recommended at least 10 weeks prior to seeding or at any time prior to setting out transplants. While I am not a big proponent of chemical pesticides (quite the opposite, frankly), as herbicides go, pre-emergents and Preen in general are relatively benign. Unless you apply well in excess of recommended application rates, it is not even toxic to earthworms and other soil organisms - in fact, it is broken down by soil organisms. It is quite toxic to fish and other aquatic species, so avoid using where runoff or leaching into streams is possible. Let's at least attempt to get some of the facts straight before jumping into the fray with major scare tactics. pam - gardengal zxcvbob wrote: chaz wrote: Tom Jaszewski wrote in message . .. On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote: IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? messing up germination? sheesh, what about poisoning yor family? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson I understand you to say you dont prefer chemical treatment in a garden. As much as I understand that, there is little room for your type of reply. If you have no experience with the product, refrain from responding. You don't know why the warning not to use on corn. Preen is a restricted use herbicide. Not that it matters, but it is illegal to use it on corn, just because the label says so. You have to assume that it can't be used on corn because it is unsafe to do so. I have no experience with the product; I don't need any experience with it to know that you need to follow the label directions. Regards, Bob -- Have a Windows® computer that is powered on for hours at a time? Join the search for a cure for cancer: http://grid.org/projects/cancer/ |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:36:06 GMT, Garrapata
wrote: Read the entire label, some restrictions only apply to certain states Sure, if Iowa says it's not a poison then you'll only die if you use it in Washington? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:19:22 GMT, Pam wrote:
it is a general use pesticide that is readily available to homeowners for residential use. gosh Pam how many quarts of Diazinon hundreds of r nurseries sell under the same guise? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:19:22 GMT, Pam wrote:
Let's at least attempt to get some of the facts straight you do sell Preen? "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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Pam wrote:
Let's not get carried away, folks! First, Preen is NOT a restricted use pesticide - it is a general use pesticide that is readily available to homeowners for residential use. It has very low mammalian toxicity by both oral, dermal and inhalation methods of exposure, nearly to the point of being nontoxic. Second, it IS registered for use on many vegetables with a few restrictions, sweet corn, lettuce, spinach and beets among them. It does have a rather long half life in the soil, so use in vegetables beds where you intend to direct sow is recommended at least 10 weeks prior to seeding or at any time prior to setting out transplants. Oops. I used a technical term without double-checking the meaning. Sorry about that. You're right, it is a general use pesticide. What I meant is the label restricts the usage and it is illegal to use a pesticide for an application if the label tells you not to. But only a fool would use a pesticide contrary to the label anyway. I've allegedly to used outdoor formulations of Dursban in the house instead of buying premixed indoor-use Dursban, so I guess that make me a fool too (allegedly, of course). Best regards, Bob |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:19:22 GMT, Pam wrote: it is a general use pesticide that is readily available to homeowners for residential use. gosh Pam how many quarts of Diazinon hundreds of r nurseries sell under the same guise? Gosh, Tom, do you think there is any difference between the two products? Come on, let's use some common sense. There is just a tad bit of difference between an organophosphate neurotoxin and a seed germination inhibitor. |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:19:22 GMT, Pam wrote: Let's at least attempt to get some of the facts straight you do sell Preen? No, but I can do research, read and not jump to unfounded conclusions. |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:16:14 GMT, Pam wrote:
Tom Jaszewski wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:19:22 GMT, Pam wrote: it is a general use pesticide that is readily available to homeowners for residential use. gosh Pam how many quarts of Diazinon hundreds of r nurseries sell under the same guise? Gosh, Tom, do you think there is any difference between the two products? Come on, let's use some common sense. There is just a tad bit of difference between an organophosphate neurotoxin and a seed germination inhibitor. Endocrine-disrupting effects Trifluralin is an endocrine-disrupting chemical, according to both the UK Environment Agency and the World Wide Fund for Nature(25). These chemicals have adverse, ‘gender-bender’ effects by interfering with the body’s hormones, or chemical messengers, and are active at even miniscule levels (see PAN UK briefing No.2 Mixed messages: pesticides that confuse hormones). "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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Tom Jaszewski wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:16:14 GMT, Pam wrote: Tom Jaszewski wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:19:22 GMT, Pam wrote: it is a general use pesticide that is readily available to homeowners for residential use. gosh Pam how many quarts of Diazinon hundreds of r nurseries sell under the same guise? Gosh, Tom, do you think there is any difference between the two products? Come on, let's use some common sense. There is just a tad bit of difference between an organophosphate neurotoxin and a seed germination inhibitor. Endocrine-disrupting effects Trifluralin is an endocrine-disrupting chemical, according to both the UK Environment Agency and the World Wide Fund for Nature(25). These chemicals have adverse, ‘gender-bender’ effects by interfering with the body’s hormones, or chemical messengers, and are active at even miniscule levels (see PAN UK briefing No.2 Mixed messages: pesticides that confuse hormones). Suggest you do some further reading (and include some scientific studies rather than simply relying solely on environmental organizations with their own agenda) - trifluralin is "suspected" of being an endocrine disruptor, however the endocrine disrupting potential of chemical pesticides is considered to be negligible compared to those ED sources found in waste treatment plants, animal manure and dietary supplements - heck, soybeans, apples, wheat and peas are KNOWN endocrine disruptors! While it is certainly appropriate to be concerned about the use of any chemical pesticide (and even so-called "organic" products) and the effects they may have on long term environmental and health issues, it is equally important to understand and develop the knowledge base to put the issue into proper perspective. This is an issue where even the scientists involved in the research have differing opinions as to its significance. The science is still being developed and the EPA is fully aware of the concern and has mandated additional testing under new methods of analysis and evaluation as they become available. Knowledge is the key when using any type of pesticide, however it is counterproductive to even those proponents of pesticide reform (and that includes me!) to involve unfounded hypotheses and scare tactics rather than relying on scientific testing and documented evidence. I sure don't hear any hue and cry about using animal manures in one's garden, but they pose a much larger threat to endocrine disruption than do the appropriate and labeled use of suspected chemical pesticides. And are you going to think twice before eating your next apple? A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. pam - gardengal |
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I understand you to say you dont prefer chemical treatment in a garden. As much as I understand that, there is little room for your type of reply. If you have no experience with the product, refrain from responding. oh no the chemical nazi ng police. I agree, no pREEN! "Come into my garden, my flowers want to meet you!" |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:38:51 GMT, Pam wrote:
Suggest you do some further reading (and include some scientific studies rather than simply relying solely on environmental organizations with their own agenda) - trifluralin is "suspected" of being an endocrine disruptor, however the endocrine disrupting potential of chemical pesticides is considered to be negligible compared to those ED sources found in waste treatment plants, animal manure and dietary supplements - heck, soybeans, apples, wheat and peas are KNOWN endocrine disruptors! Sounds like more of the Roundup rationale. Gosh, salt is poisonous too! While it is certainly appropriate to be concerned about the use of any chemical pesticide (and even so-called "organic" products) and the effects they may have on long term environmental and health issues, it is equally important to understand and develop the knowledge base to put the issue into proper perspective. This is an issue where even the scientists involved in the research have differing opinions as to its significance. The science is still being developed and the EPA is fully aware of the concern and has mandated additional testing under new methods of analysis and evaluation as they become available. And yet you readily accept products and the company funded research. Are you going to tell me you've never trusted the Dursban sales pitches? Knowledge is the key when using any type of pesticide, however it is counterproductive to even those proponents of pesticide reform (and that includes me!) to involve unfounded hypotheses and scare tactics rather than relying on scientific testing and documented evidence. I sure don't hear any hue and cry about using animal manures in one's garden, but they pose a much larger threat to endocrine disruption than do the appropriate and labeled use of suspected chemical pesticides. And are you going to think twice before eating your next apple? You bet I think about what got used in the production of that apple! A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You're right! Some day I'll know as much as you, for now I'll continue to lack trust in most pesticides and their manufacturers. pam - gardengal "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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Hey,
It says SAFE in vegetable gardens, gives NO mention on the lable regarding corn. The WEBSITE does now, it didnt before. All I did was ask a question...............can you not answer it or be quiet if you dont have a FACTUAL answer?? Thats the part thats WOW....... "animaux" wrote in message ... Are you crazy? You would actually use a product which is toxic and labeled NOT FOR USE ON VEGETABLES and then eat it? Wow. The mind boggles. On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:34 GMT, "chaz" wrote: I shopped online for info on PREEN, which is supposed to control weeds. They had no info on the site on particulars on the vegetable varieties you can use it on. So I go get a box and they have a NEW web site TONIGHT. It says not to use it on sweet corn. Has anyone used this on corn with success? IS there any way I could do this without messing up the germination? chaz- |
Preen In Corn?
Pam wrote in message news:
Suggest you do some further reading (and include some scientific studies rather than simply relying solely on environmental organizations with their own agenda) - trifluralin is "suspected" of being an endocrine disruptor, however the endocrine disrupting potential of chemical pesticides is considered to be negligible compared to those ED sources found in waste treatment plants, animal manure and dietary supplements - heck, soybeans, apples, wheat and peas are KNOWN endocrine disruptors! Sorry, but if an organization's "agenda" is to protect the public, I may be a lot more inclined to believe them than a corporation or its serfs. |
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Pam wrote in message ...
While it is certainly appropriate to be concerned about the use of any chemical pesticide (and even so-called "organic" products) and the effects they may have on long term environmental and health issues, it is equally important to understand and develop the knowledge base to put the issue into proper perspective. This is an issue where even the scientists involved in the research have differing opinions as to its significance. The science is still being developed and the EPA is fully aware of the concern and has mandated additional testing under new methods of analysis and evaluation as they become available. Rrrright... This is the same excuse used for global warming and almost everything else that does not coincide with Tom DeLay's beliefs ("the science is still being developed"). I used to work for the EPA, and can assure you that the EPA's awareness of an issue rarely translates into anything resembling action, especially when the offices are stuffed to the gills with former Monsanto, Dow, and DuPont employees. |
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David Simmons wrote: Pam wrote in message news: Suggest you do some further reading (and include some scientific studies rather than simply relying solely on environmental organizations with their own agenda) - trifluralin is "suspected" of being an endocrine disruptor, however the endocrine disrupting potential of chemical pesticides is considered to be negligible compared to those ED sources found in waste treatment plants, animal manure and dietary supplements - heck, soybeans, apples, wheat and peas are KNOWN endocrine disruptors! Sorry, but if an organization's "agenda" is to protect the public, I may be a lot more inclined to believe them than a corporation or its serfs. The information presented was not provided by any corporate entity or its "serfs' but by recognized health agencies and scientific papers, among them the Japanese Institute for Health Science and the Canadian Center for Occupational Health and Safety and the EXTOXNET Pesticide Profiles. I am not in the practice of defending the chemical pesticide megacorps nor advocating the use of pesticides - I am simply attempting to increase awareness and provide established information, rather than resorting to eco-scare tactics which are unsubstantiated and are counterproductive to the serious scientific basis underlying the pesticide reform movement. Pesticide reform is needed and necessary, but it is not going to be accomplished by those out there labeling all pesticides and their use as evil and poisonous without understanding or knowledge of the product in question. And that includes a great many so-called organic or natural products, which can be as toxic and as detrimental to human health with repeated or overuse as any chemical product. The key to pesticide use is knowledge. The more you know, the more you are able to make informed decisions and that in a nutshell is what it all boils down to. If you want to remain uninformed, that is your business, but don't you dare chastise me or anyone else for attempting to provide enlightenment supported by scientific research if you yourself don't know the facts. |
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