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[email protected] 10-02-2007 04:53 PM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
Hello,

Which of these potential ground covers will spread fast? Which will
take over grass? (Yes, I want them to do both!)

lobelia
irish moss
scotch moss
baby tears
alyssum
boston ivy
virginia creeper
Chrysogonum virginianum golden star
vinca
creeping phlox
Ceratostigma plumbaginoides

conditions:

USDA zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
USDA zone 6 (new reckoning)
AHS heat zone 4/5
Sunset zone 43

dark organic/clay soil
half shade, half sun

Thank you!!

Ted Shoemaker
certified Gray Thumb


John McGaw 10-02-2007 06:02 PM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
wrote:
Hello,

Which of these potential ground covers will spread fast? Which will
take over grass? (Yes, I want them to do both!)

lobelia
irish moss
scotch moss
baby tears
alyssum
boston ivy
virginia creeper
Chrysogonum virginianum golden star
vinca
creeping phlox
Ceratostigma plumbaginoides

conditions:

USDA zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
USDA zone 6 (new reckoning)
AHS heat zone 4/5
Sunset zone 43

dark organic/clay soil
half shade, half sun

Thank you!!

Ted Shoemaker
certified Gray Thumb


On my property Virginia creeper from your list is quite effective at
spreading over territory. Vinca is less so but at least offers some blue
flowers. But the winner here is English ivy which I have to treat like
the weed that it is but spraying it with "industrial-strength"
herbicides scarcely inconvenience it and manually ripping it out by the
roots is nearly impossible.

--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

[email protected] 12-02-2007 12:02 AM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
On Feb 10, 8:53 am, "
wrote:
Hello,

Which of these potential ground covers will spread fast? Which will
take over grass? (Yes, I want them to do both!)

lobelia
irish moss
scotch moss
baby tears
alyssum
boston ivy
virginia creeper
Chrysogonum virginianum golden star
vinca
creeping phlox
Ceratostigma plumbaginoides

conditions:

USDA zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
USDA zone 6 (new reckoning)
AHS heat zone 4/5
Sunset zone 43

dark organic/clay soil
half shade, half sun

Thank you!!

Ted Shoemaker
certified Gray Thumb


Lobelia and alyssum are annuals and I wouldn't reccomend
irish & scotch moss ans baby tears need some shade, a lot of water and
are slow
phlox is slow and not aggressive
vinca is aggressive almost to the point of ivy wich can be a noctious
weed
boston ivy is decidious

my suggestion would be http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/m1/bel/
myoporum_parvifolium2359.jpg
http://www.nnvesj.org/Ed10/DefSpace.htm
This is a good plant and easy to grow. If you tip prune it it will
spread much faster


mleblanca 12-02-2007 01:46 AM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
On Feb 11, 4:02 pm, wrote:
On Feb 10, 8:53 am, "
wrote:



Hello,


Which of these potential ground covers will spread fast? Which will
take over grass? (Yes, I want them to do both!)


lobelia
irish moss
scotch moss
baby tears
alyssum
boston ivy
virginia creeper
Chrysogonum virginianum golden star
vinca
creeping phlox
Ceratostigma plumbaginoides


conditions:


USDA zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
USDA zone 6 (new reckoning)
AHS heat zone 4/5
Sunset zone 43


dark organic/clay soil
half shade, half sun


Thank you!!


Ted Shoemaker
certified Gray Thumb


Lobelia and alyssum are annuals and I wouldn't reccomend
irish & scotch moss ans baby tears need some shade, a lot of water and
are slow
phlox is slow and not aggressive
vinca is aggressive almost to the point of ivy wich can be a noctious
weed
boston ivy is decidious

my suggestion would behttp://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/m1/bel/
myoporum_parvifolium2359.jpghttp://www.nnvesj.org/Ed10/DefSpace.htm
This is a good plant and easy to grow. If you tip prune it it will
spread much faster


Yes Myoporum is all that. Unfortunately it will not make it in zone 6
winters.
Neither will Baby Tears.
Irish and Scotch moss are the same plant: Sagina subulata
Not many groundcovers are going to out compete grass.
Lamium, maybe.
Emilie

Emilie
NorCal


riverbirch 15-02-2007 08:07 PM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
On Feb 10, 11:53 am, "
wrote:
Hello,

Which of these potential ground covers will spread fast? Which will
take over grass? (Yes, I want them to do both!)

lobelia
irish moss
scotch moss
baby tears
alyssum
boston ivy
virginia creeper
Chrysogonum virginianum golden star
vinca
creeping phlox
Ceratostigma plumbaginoides

conditions:

USDA zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
USDA zone 6 (new reckoning)
AHS heat zone 4/5
Sunset zone 43

dark organic/clay soil
half shade, half sun

Thank you!!

Ted Shoemaker
certified Gray Thumb


Virgina creeper and Boston ivy are fast growers and can tolerare the
partial shade conditions you have.

Good Luck

http://www.gardenlistings.com


Persephone 17-02-2007 05:48 AM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
On 15 Feb 2007 12:07:36 -0800, "riverbirch" wrote:

On Feb 10, 11:53 am, "
wrote:
Hello,

Which of these potential ground covers will spread fast? Which will
take over grass? (Yes, I want them to do both!)

lobelia
irish moss
scotch moss
baby tears
alyssum
boston ivy
virginia creeper
Chrysogonum virginianum golden star
vinca
creeping phlox
Ceratostigma plumbaginoides

conditions:

USDA zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
USDA zone 6 (new reckoning)
AHS heat zone 4/5
Sunset zone 43

dark organic/clay soil
half shade, half sun

Thank you!!

Ted Shoemaker
certified Gray Thumb


Virgina creeper and Boston ivy are fast growers and can tolerare the
partial shade conditions you have.

Good Luck

http://www.gardenlistings.com


But my Boston Ivy goes dormant in "winter". *

Wouldn't you want full-time duty?

*I'm in So Calif coastal.


Persephone

[email protected] 21-02-2007 05:41 PM

Which ground covers will spread fast?
 
On Feb 16, 11:48 pm, Persephone wrote:

But my Boston Ivy goes dormant in "winter". *

Wouldn't you want full-time duty?


One of the appeals of Boston Ivy is the fact that it's deciduous. In
autumn it's a brilliant red.
Since I live in Wisconsin (where winter, they say, is the best 8
months of the year), I don't care what the plants look like under the
snow.

That applies to the baby tears and other plants in the original post,
too. If they brown off, will they revive in the spring? That's
okay. Or will they self-sow? That's okay, too. Are they gone
forever? That is the undesirable situation.

Thanks for all replies.

Ted Shoemaker
Zone 4/5 (old reckoning)
Zone 6 (new reckoning)



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