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Deer prevention
Phisherman expounded:
I have been trying to grow English ivy for several years. The deer keep clipping the ivy down to the ground, leaving bare soil that creates an erosion issue. I tried fox/human urine, blood meal, milorganite, Irish Spring, deer scram. Some say "Spider Lily" repels deer. A dog is effective. I found that bird netting around the ivy protects it and any ivy that attempts to grow outside the netting gets clipped off. Finally, some ivy is growing up large pine trees where the deer can not reach it. I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead sooner or later from the ivy. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "rachael simpson" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: If you try the product John pointed out, please *DO* come back and report on its effectiveness. My own experience is that the deer get used to ANY gentle measures you may try. Eventually, you may have no choice but a fence or a gun. deer sausage.........yum! A neighbor informed me today that one of his best friends is a cop who lives right around the corner. Theoretically, this cop may have a way of cancelling the police response to a gunshot report, if he knows about it ahead of time. I don't believe it, but there are 3 deer who think my tomato plants and daylillies are salads..... I have a really good feelin' about this. -- Billy I don't. However, I may pay a visit to the town supervisor and discuss another idea. Every so often, in another part of town where there's a huge wooded park, they do a "controlled hunt", using "expert hunters" (fellas who wear long sleeve plaid flannel shirts with mismatched suspenders in summer) to thin the deer herd because nearby residents complain that their plants, trees and cars are being eaten. I live 6 blocks from an identical park area. Why not thin the herd here? We get our plants back (for a while), as well as a plaid parade. I don't know. Red plaid makes a pretty good target. Juast ask Veep Cheney. -- Billy Hey...we love the plaids. They put on a great show. Last time my son and I went to the gun club (youth .22 rifle league), some kid made the mistake of asking a question about his rifle, and he was set upon by about a dozen plaids. All had multiple spare tires, mismatched suspenders, and flannel shirts. And, this is a city, not out in the sticks. It's like a uniform for these guys. Plaid is really bad for spare tires. But besides makin' a good target (just ask the "redcoats") it is a good ecological indicator of beer and polka and pizza. Now there's cultural fusion fer ya. Bring on the sousaphone. Ya hoo. Actually it will help me with my new diet. Just found out that a 9" Pepperoni Pizza has 810 calories in it but a chicken Caesar salad at Chilišs is 1010 calories. Pizza the healthy choice. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/he...tml?bl&ex=1184 817600&en=fb2e6ee99c52ca91&ei=5087%0A -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:35:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "rachael simpson" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: If you try the product John pointed out, please *DO* come back and report on its effectiveness. My own experience is that the deer get used to ANY gentle measures you may try. Eventually, you may have no choice but a fence or a gun. deer sausage.........yum! A neighbor informed me today that one of his best friends is a cop who lives right around the corner. Theoretically, this cop may have a way of cancelling the police response to a gunshot report, if he knows about it ahead of time. I don't believe it, but there are 3 deer who think my tomato plants and daylillies are salads..... Doggone deer don't mind stepping all over what they don't try eating, nor finishing what they started munching on :( We resorted to putting up a fence last year. I added poultry fence along the bottom this year to deal with the rabbits. Now if we could just get some rain once in awhile. It seems it is always something... |
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I will get the MSDS on a product called deer fence. It does work very well.
Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. wrote in message ups.com... I have a beautiful yard with lots of flowering plants. At least they start out that way until the deer come each night. Any suggestions for deer prevention that will not harm the plants or deer? |
Deer prevention
Its actually called liquid fence. I am not a product pusher. However I
have a friend that uses it on his property with great success. The day lilies, rhodies and so on have been off limits for the deer once this is applied. I would get a MSDS just to be on the safe side. I live in PA and deer are our state mammal. They have been pushed to no ends. As long as the liquid fence is safe, it is a common sense solution. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "symplastless" wrote in message . .. I will get the MSDS on a product called deer fence. It does work very well. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. wrote in message ups.com... I have a beautiful yard with lots of flowering plants. At least they start out that way until the deer come each night. Any suggestions for deer prevention that will not harm the plants or deer? |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:12:07 -0400, Ann wrote:
Phisherman expounded: I have been trying to grow English ivy for several years. The deer keep clipping the ivy down to the ground, leaving bare soil that creates an erosion issue. I tried fox/human urine, blood meal, milorganite, Irish Spring, deer scram. Some say "Spider Lily" repels deer. A dog is effective. I found that bird netting around the ivy protects it and any ivy that attempts to grow outside the netting gets clipped off. Finally, some ivy is growing up large pine trees where the deer can not reach it. I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead sooner or later from the ivy. Not according to our local cooperative extension. I already asked. |
Deer prevention
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Phisherman wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:12:07 -0400, Ann wrote: Phisherman expounded: I have been trying to grow English ivy for several years. The deer keep clipping the ivy down to the ground, leaving bare soil that creates an erosion issue. I tried fox/human urine, blood meal, milorganite, Irish Spring, deer scram. Some say "Spider Lily" repels deer. A dog is effective. I found that bird netting around the ivy protects it and any ivy that attempts to grow outside the netting gets clipped off. Finally, some ivy is growing up large pine trees where the deer can not reach it. I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead sooner or later from the ivy. Not according to our local cooperative extension. I already asked. Extremely odd. Every arborist or tree cutter I've ever talked to has said don't let the ivy climb the trees because it will weaken or kill them. I have three lots full of trees. Regularly have them trimmed to let in more light. -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead
sooner or later from the ivy. Ann Do you have the data that the ivy will kill a pine tree. I really know of no data to establish that as a fact. Sure it can block leaves and needles for photosynthesis. Other than that what are you talking about? Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead sooner or later from the ivy. Not according to our local cooperative extension. I already asked. Extremely odd. Every arborist or tree cutter I've ever talked to has said don't let the ivy climb the trees because it will weaken or kill them. I have three lots full of trees. Regularly have them trimmed to let in more light. I'm with Ann and Billy on this one. My grandfather was a county ext. agent, and he always said that ivy can/will overtake & kill trees. Have heard that all my life from others as well.....seen the effects locally also. |
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"symplastless" wrote in message
... I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead sooner or later from the ivy. Ann Do you have the data that the ivy will kill a pine tree. I really know of no data to establish that as a fact. Sure it can block leaves and needles for photosynthesis. Other than that what are you talking about? Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Mah grandpappy done said so, and that's alls I needs to know. :-) |
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I have dissected a scots pine that had ivy all over the ground . The tree
was the healthiest scots pine I have seen. So some trees may be companion plants and some not. Again, other than blocking sunlight from needles and leaves I know of no published research showing that ivy kills trees. I personally do not like ivy growing on trees. The reason is because it covers up defects and signs of a high risk of hazard situation such as cracks and so on. Does anyone have data (peer reviewed published papers) showing that ivy kills trees. I would like to read it and place it in my dictionary for all to read under hard to get docs. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... I hope you don't like those large pine trees, because they'll be dead sooner or later from the ivy. Ann Do you have the data that the ivy will kill a pine tree. I really know of no data to establish that as a fact. Sure it can block leaves and needles for photosynthesis. Other than that what are you talking about? Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Mah grandpappy done said so, and that's alls I needs to know. :-) |
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symplastless wrote:
I will get the MSDS on a product called deer fence. It does work very well. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. http://www.liquidfence.com/pdf/Deer_Rabbit_MSDS.pdf Garlic, eggs, soap, surfactant and thickening agent sounds harmless. From my experience you probably have to apply frequently to the plants the deer like. I just got my PA hunting license and if any of your clients want the final solution and deer chili, let me know ;) Frank |
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Other than deer here are some things humans do to harm plants. Do you hunt
them too? Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case Sensitive. Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub1.html and Look up "Tree Planting" http://www.treedictionary.com Improper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html and http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch" Improper Pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. symplastless wrote: I will get the MSDS on a product called deer fence. It does work very well. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. http://www.liquidfence.com/pdf/Deer_Rabbit_MSDS.pdf Garlic, eggs, soap, surfactant and thickening agent sounds harmless. From my experience you probably have to apply frequently to the plants the deer like. I just got my PA hunting license and if any of your clients want the final solution and deer chili, let me know ;) Frank |
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No not very frequent.
-- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. symplastless wrote: I will get the MSDS on a product called deer fence. It does work very well. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. http://www.liquidfence.com/pdf/Deer_Rabbit_MSDS.pdf Garlic, eggs, soap, surfactant and thickening agent sounds harmless. From my experience you probably have to apply frequently to the plants the deer like. I just got my PA hunting license and if any of your clients want the final solution and deer chili, let me know ;) Frank |
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