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Avoiding the dangers of Roundup
Hello,
I am hoping someone can give me some valuable info here. We are about to move to a farmhouse that has a canola farm which surrounds us almost entirely. The farmer uses Roundup. I have heard about the dangers of Roundup - particularly to pregnant women. I am wondering what we can do to prevent ourselves from exposure. We would get water via a well. Should we avoid it? We also have 3 cats that we wanted to let roam outside. Is this a bad idea? Thank you. |
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Avoiding the dangers of Roundup
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ups.com... Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some valuable info here. We are about to move to a farmhouse that has a canola farm which surrounds us almost entirely. The farmer uses Roundup. I have heard about the dangers of Roundup - particularly to pregnant women. I am wondering what we can do to prevent ourselves from exposure. We would get water via a well. Should we avoid it? We also have 3 cats that we wanted to let roam outside. Is this a bad idea? Thank you. Is it safe to assume that you had your well water tested by a lab so far away from your future home that it's unlikely anyone at the lab was related to the farmer through blood, politics or business? |
Avoiding the dangers of Roundup
wrote in message ups.com... Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some valuable info here. We are about to move to a farmhouse that has a canola farm which surrounds us almost entirely. The farmer uses Roundup. I have heard about the dangers of Roundup - particularly to pregnant women. I am wondering what we can do to prevent ourselves from exposure. We would get water via a well. Should we avoid it? not sure myself whether you should avoid it however if you are worried about drinking water you can set up a drinking water system using run off from your roof. rob |
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Avoiding the dangers of Roundup
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I am hoping someone can give me some valuable info here. We are about to move to a farmhouse that has a canola farm which surrounds us almost entirely. The farmer uses Roundup. I have heard about the dangers of Roundup - particularly to pregnant women. I am wondering what we can do to prevent ourselves from exposure. We would get water via a well. Should we avoid it? We also have 3 cats that we wanted to let roam outside. Is this a bad idea? You might find the following of interest: http://asgap.org.au/APOL20/dec00-3.html |
Avoiding the dangers of Roundup
John Bachman expounded:
If the farmer follows all of the procedures specified by the law and policies of your area (you did not tell us where you are) then you should have no problem. That may or may not be a big "if". And you believe this because? Big chemical told you so? They have nothing to lose if they tell the truth, now, do they? I would contact the farmer and express my concern. Ask him what pesticides he uses and what his procedures are. Ask him to notify you on days that he will be using pesticides near your home so that you can personally monitor the application. If your monitoring gives you concern then address them with him and the local agricultural authorities. I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
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On Sep 30, 7:16 am, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from "George.com" contains these words: wrote in message oups.com... Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some valuable info here. We are about to move to a farmhouse that has a canola farm which surrounds us almost entirely. The farmer uses Roundup. I have heard about the dangers of Roundup - particularly to pregnant women. I am wondering what we can do to prevent ourselves from exposure. If your new place's adjoining garden has healthy plants growing in it, that suggests it's not being hit by Roundup weedkiller spray drift fall-out. Grass in particular is very sensitive to Roundup drift. However, the farmer may also be applying insecticide spray, whose effects don't show up so obviously but could be far more worrying. So on spray days I'd certainly stay indoors with the windows shut, and not hang out the washing to dry. We would get water via a well. Should we avoid it? not sure myself whether you should avoid it however if you are worried about drinking water you can set up a drinking water system using run off from your roof. But the roof is equally a collection system for spray particles, which would wash down into the watersystem. Janet. Thanks Janet. Yes, there is lots of vegetation in the yard and a massive lawn, so that's a good sign. On spray days - how long would we need to stay away? Could the wind blow it around for days afterwards, or does it soak in immediately? It's a 150 acre farm, almost entirely surrounding us. (We're in Ontario, BTW). I think we'll get the water tested before we use it. Thanks alot for your help, Darryl |
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On Sep 30, 9:29 am, Ann wrote:
John Bachman expounded: If the farmer follows all of the procedures specified by the law and policies of your area (you did not tell us where you are) then you should have no problem. That may or may not be a big "if". And you believe this because? Big chemical told you so? They have nothing to lose if they tell the truth, now, do they? I would contact the farmer and express my concern. Ask him what pesticides he uses and what his procedures are. Ask him to notify you on days that he will be using pesticides near your home so that you can personally monitor the application. If your monitoring gives you concern then address them with him and the local agricultural authorities. I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** That's a good thought. Maybe he'd be interested in changing his methods. Thanks, Darryl |
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how much oil do people use? I am wondering because we get these tiny bottles of
stuff and toss most of it when it begins to smell off. then again, we dont deep fry anything. Ingrid On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:44:06 -0700, Persephone wrote: Or better still, pay the high cost of organic canola oil! |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message from contains these words: I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a That's a good thought. Maybe he'd be interested in changing his methods. It would be good if he did, but the last thing a new arrival to any rural area should do, is start trying to suggest to the resident farmers that you know how they should run their business. Nothing could be more calculated to put his back up, just when you want him to be your friend, and let you know (minimum) what times of year he sprays and (best for you) get to the point where he calls on the phone to say "I'll be spraying tomorrow if it's not too windy". Janet, well written, well stated and a good piece of advice. |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:55:24 -0700, Billy wrote: John Bachman expounded: If the farmer follows all of the procedures specified by the law and policies of your area (you did not tell us where you are) then you should have no problem. That may or may not be a big "if". John Bachman didn't mention that he is an "Integrated Pest Management" consultant. In my experience with him in this NG, he has been objective and honest in his opinions. Oh, you may want to ease in slowly on telling a farmer how to farm or at least, leave your motor running. Yeah right, Billy. Applying glysphospate "as specified by law"... Who do you think paid to get those laws written, my friend? Charlie You be in a ****y mood today, dawg. You know I don't want no 'cides, or industrial effluents, or whiz bang pharmaceuticals around me. Didn't say that I ALWAYS agree with John. I just be doin' that "men of good will" thing 'bout disagreein'. You know the one, dawg. I've see nuthin' to indicate that John ain't a "man of good will". Don't mean the man can walk on water though. Where are the grand kids? You got too much energy. -- FB - FFF Billy Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. - Bob Marley |
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Jim wrote in
: Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from contains these words: I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a That's a good thought. Maybe he'd be interested in changing his methods. It would be good if he did, but the last thing a new arrival to any rural area should do, is start trying to suggest to the resident farmers that you know how they should run their business. Nothing could be more calculated to put his back up, just when you want him to be your friend, and let you know (minimum) what times of year he sprays and (best for you) get to the point where he calls on the phone to say "I'll be spraying tomorrow if it's not too windy". Janet, well written, well stated and a good piece of advice. especially if he's going to be telling the farmer that RoundUp is a pesticide... nothing like making yourself look *really* ignorant when confronting a farmer about his spraying schedules. for the most part no one is going to be spraying if it's likely to wind drift (too expensive/wasteful) anyway, but i can't say i know much about canola... lee |
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especially if he's going to be telling the farmer that RoundUp is a pesticide... nothing like making yourself look *really* ignorant when confronting a farmer about his spraying schedules. RoundUp is a pesticide. It kills pesty plants. Pesticide is a broad term that includes insecticides, fungicides, rodenticides, and herbicides. |
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"enigma" wrote in message . .. [sniip] especially if he's going to be telling the farmer that RoundUp is a pesticide... [snip] ?? Of course Roundup is a pesticide -- what's your point?? |
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enigma wrote:
Jim wrote: Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from contains these words: I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a That's a good thought. Maybe he'd be interested in changing his methods. It would be good if he did, but the last thing a new arrival to any rural area should do, is start trying to suggest to the resident farmers that you know how they should run their business. Nothing could be more calculated to put his back up, just when you want him to be your friend, and let you know (minimum) what times of year he sprays and (best for you) get to the point where he calls on the phone to say "I'll be spraying tomorrow if it's not too windy". Janet, well written, well stated and a good piece of advice. especially if he's going to be telling the farmer that RoundUp is a pesticide... nothing like making yourself look *really* ignorant when confronting a farmer about his spraying schedules. for the most part no one is going to be spraying if it's likely to wind drift (too expensive/wasteful) anyway, but i can't say i know much about canola... lee you most likely read the thread. my blood boiled then I felt much better when I read what Janet wrote. yep, I was glad I saw what Janet wrote. in the past you yourself have written of your experiences with newcomers and oh how I could relate. I hope Ann in Zone 6a will elaborate on her words "unsustainability of the pesticides" because I believe she actually understands. |
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Gil Faver wrote:
especially if he's going to be telling the farmer that RoundUp is a pesticide... nothing like making yourself look *really* ignorant when confronting a farmer about his spraying schedules. RoundUp is a pesticide. It kills pesty plants. Pesticide is a broad term that includes insecticides, fungicides, rodenticides, and herbicides. technically you are correct and that is why the NCDA & CS uses the term on the license they issue to anyone passing their certification requirements. in the reality of the application one would not apply a herbicide in order to kill insects. therefore classifications and categories are established so as to make labeling clear for specific use applications. |
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"Gil Faver" wrote in
: especially if he's going to be telling the farmer that RoundUp is a pesticide... nothing like making yourself look *really* ignorant when confronting a farmer about his spraying schedules. RoundUp is a pesticide. It kills pesty plants. Pesticide is a broad term that includes insecticides, fungicides, rodenticides, and herbicides. shrug i like being a little more precise. if my (ought-to- return-to-the-city) neighbor came over & asked me not to put pesticide on the poison ivy, i'd agree with him. i'd still be putting RoundUp on it though... lee |
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Charlie wrote:
Jim wrote: [....] my blood boiled then I [....] You want to know what makes my blood boil, Bro.Jim? "Farmers" who claim to be stewards of God's creation, that shake hands with the deer, and yet who spread death upon the Land and feed crops, who speak of good seeds of truth yet plant the evil seeds of Mon-satan-o and followup with their Liquid Death. *Especially* when said farmer only plants 24 acres of soybeans. I grew up in northern Missouri. I have walked many a bean row, many a year, killing weeds with a sharp chunk of metal on the end of a stick. 24 acres is nothing. yea the fellow from Texas said it'd all fit in his driveway. You speak of the rich, fertile earth, the smell and the feel of it, yet you hasten its destruction with your use of and support of GM seed and Round-Up. All for less than ten thousand dollars gross. Shameful. God called upon us to care for his creation, that includes Mother Earth and all Creatures upon it. Stewardship. You think poison and supporting the likes of Mon-satan-o is a noble pursuit and garners divine approval? You, in your small way, are adding to the destruction being wrought upon Gaia and Her Children. You are a newcomer on Earth, yet you treat it like something to be beaten into shape for your benefit. I wonder how the Native Americans felt when their new europeon neighbors came and told them how it was to be? Hmmmmmmm...... Charlie Charlie, glad you got that off your chest. |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
You want to know what makes my blood boil, Bro.Jim? "Farmers" who claim to be stewards of God's creation, that shake hands with the deer, and yet who spread death upon the Land and feed crops, who speak of good seeds of truth yet plant the evil seeds of Mon-satan-o and followup with their Liquid Death. *Especially* when said farmer only plants 24 acres of soybeans. I grew up in northern Missouri. I have walked many a bean row, many a year, killing weeds with a sharp chunk of metal on the end of a stick. 24 acres is nothing. You speak of the rich, fertile earth, the smell and the feel of it, yet you hasten its destruction with your use of and support of GM seed and Round-Up. All for less than ten thousand dollars gross. Shameful. God called upon us to care for his creation, that includes Mother Earth and all Creatures upon it. Stewardship. You think poison and supporting the likes of Mon-satan-o is a noble pursuit and garners divine approval? You, in your small way, are adding to the destruction being wrought upon Gaia and Her Children. You are a newcomer on Earth, yet you treat it like something to be beaten into shape for your benefit. I wonder how the Native Americans felt when their new europeon neighbors came and told them how it was to be? Hmmmmmmm...... Charlie What did you do about weeds like dogbane that can't be effectively controlled with a hoe? There probably is no definitive answer to the next question. What's better environmentally, using chemicals and modern farming practices on fewer total acres or using older methods on more total acres? Dean ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Dean Hoffman wrote:
[....] There probably is no definitive answer to the next question. What's better environmentally, using chemicals and modern farming practices on fewer total acres or using older methods on more total acres? Dean g I'm voting for the older methods on more total acres. then we can 'maybe' justify stopping the urbanization of rural america. can we vote Chicago style? g |
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Charlie wrote:
Jim wrote: g You surely don't have an agenda, do you, Jim? on tomorrow's list or outline of things to be considered or done 1. arrive at job site 2. remove storm windows carefully so they don't fall apart 3. scrape surfaces with wire brush 4. scrape surfaces again with metal edge scraper 5. inspect window glazing and repair as necessary 6. obtain color samples from customer and confirm color selection 7. go to paint store 8. stop by coffee shop :) 9. go to hardware store to get tubes of caulk and a better caulk gun g |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
given your advanced years You pin headed little twerp. Whose in advanced years? I used to be older but I'm much younger now, thank you very much. 'Twas the day when rapscallions like you would be taken out back of the wood shed. Sounds like Number 1 has a head on his shoulders, your son must have married well. Keep your left up, and keep counter punching. Don't they know who they are fightin'? Hang in dawg, -- FB - FFF Billy Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. - Bob Marley |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:55:24 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article om, wrote: On Sep 30, 9:29 am, Ann wrote: John Bachman expounded: If the farmer follows all of the procedures specified by the law and policies of your area (you did not tell us where you are) then you should have no problem. That may or may not be a big "if". And you believe this because? Big chemical told you so? They have nothing to lose if they tell the truth, now, do they? I would contact the farmer and express my concern. Ask him what pesticides he uses and what his procedures are. Ask him to notify you on days that he will be using pesticides near your home so that you can personally monitor the application. If your monitoring gives you concern then address them with him and the local agricultural authorities. I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** That's a good thought. Maybe he'd be interested in changing his methods. Thanks, Darryl John Bachman didn't mention that he is an "Integrated Pest Management" consultant. In my experience with him in this NG, he has been objective and honest in his opinions. Oh, you may want to ease in slowly on telling a farmer how to farm or at least, leave your motor running. Thanks for the kind words Billy but you do not have it quite right. I am a small farmer who uses integrated pest management techniques. That is it. The only consulting I do is expressing opinions on the news group and answering questions put to me by friends and family. I get dismayed when people immediately assume that the farmer who uses pesticides and evil being intent on destroying the earth. In my experience nothing could be further from the truth. All of the farmers I meet at the numerous seminars and classes that we all intend to improve our knowledge and skills are very concerned with the proper application of controls, be they organic or chemical. Notably, both types of farmers attend these seminars, which are usually run by the agricultural extension service, and exchange views. Often the seminar will occur at a farm which may be organic or not. Again both types of farmers attend and are interested in the techniques used on that farm. Farmers are business people who make their living and provide for their families by farming. They are interested in the most economical methods of operation and surely want to avoid anything that would be detrimental to the continuing success of their enterprise. Excessive and misdirected use of any product is contrary to their goals so it does not happen except by accident and such accidents are usually quickly investigated resulting in corrective action. These farmers are constantly on the lookout for techniques that will make them more efficient. Qualified labor is a scarce and therefore valuable commodity. The farmer spends the labor available to him as wisely as possible. He must because market pressures put a limit on the value of his products. That is how the free market system works and the farmer lives by those rules or goes under. John |
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Charlie wrote in
: quoting me instead of Jim Ain't it funny all this talk 'bout glyphospate bein' a pesticide and liscensing and technicalities and such. Round-up kills. It is poison. Your use of such contributes to the poisioning of my grandchildren. i doubt sincerely my use of glyphosphate, as method of last resort, against poison ivy (to which i have a violent allergy, plus the 'remedies' for said allergy give me hives worse than the PI) is going to affect your grandchildren. i do not spray the stuff (wasteful, ineffective). i cut the vines & paint the open wound. doesn't even faze the other weeds at the base of the tree. does a good job of killing the evil vines though. just cutting the vine kills the upper portion, but PI regrows readily from the roots. painting glyphosphate on the cut kills the roots. i do agree that spraying glyphosphate is a bad thing, and spraying PI doesn't do anything toward killing the stuff unless you get a windless, dry week in very early spring as the leaves are just budding (which never happens around here anyway). if you can prove to me that this method is causing glyphosphate drift into the soil/water, i'll look into another method. as it stands now though, the PI has to go, & this is the best option i can find. lee |
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enigma wrote:
Charlie wrote in : quoting me instead of Jim Ain't it funny all this talk 'bout glyphospate bein' a pesticide and liscensing and technicalities and such. Round-up kills. It is poison. Your use of such contributes to the poisioning of my grandchildren. i doubt sincerely my use of glyphosphate, as method of last resort, against poison ivy (to which i have a violent allergy, plus the 'remedies' for said allergy give me hives worse than the PI) is going to affect your grandchildren. i do not spray the stuff (wasteful, ineffective). i cut the vines & paint the open wound. doesn't even faze the other weeds at the base of the tree. does a good job of killing the evil vines though. just cutting the vine kills the upper portion, but PI regrows readily from the roots. painting glyphosphate on the cut kills the roots. i do agree that spraying glyphosphate is a bad thing, and spraying PI doesn't do anything toward killing the stuff unless you get a windless, dry week in very early spring as the leaves are just budding (which never happens around here anyway). if you can prove to me that this method is causing glyphosphate drift into the soil/water, i'll look into another method. as it stands now though, the PI has to go, & this is the best option i can find. lee If you're conducting a GWOPI[1] then you can count me on as an ally who relies on the tactical application of CBW agents. My favorite is Ortho Brush-B-Gon (Triclopyr) applied in early Spring about the time that the multiflora rose begins to leaf out. One targeted application on the PI, MFR, and other assorted jagger bushes[2] does them in. I still have to avoid the dead vines because the urushiol retains its capability to cause pain and distress (as do the jaggers). [1]Global War On Poison Ivy [2]Anything with thorns -- Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities -- Voltaire |
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In article ,
John Bachman wrote: On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:55:24 -0700, Billy wrote: In article om, wrote: On Sep 30, 9:29 am, Ann wrote: John Bachman expounded: If the farmer follows all of the procedures specified by the law and policies of your area (you did not tell us where you are) then you should have no problem. That may or may not be a big "if". And you believe this because? Big chemical told you so? They have nothing to lose if they tell the truth, now, do they? I would contact the farmer and express my concern. Ask him what pesticides he uses and what his procedures are. Ask him to notify you on days that he will be using pesticides near your home so that you can personally monitor the application. If your monitoring gives you concern then address them with him and the local agricultural authorities. I would be more interested in discussing with them the ultimate unsustainability of the pesticides they are using. There are plenty of farmers nowadays, especially in the Northeast, that are successfully pulling in crops without using Roundup at all. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** That's a good thought. Maybe he'd be interested in changing his methods. Thanks, Darryl John Bachman didn't mention that he is an "Integrated Pest Management" consultant. In my experience with him in this NG, he has been objective and honest in his opinions. Oh, you may want to ease in slowly on telling a farmer how to farm or at least, leave your motor running. Thanks for the kind words Billy but you do not have it quite right. I am a small farmer who uses integrated pest management techniques. That is it. The only consulting I do is expressing opinions on the news group and answering questions put to me by friends and family. I get dismayed when people immediately assume that the farmer who uses pesticides and evil being intent on destroying the earth. In my experience nothing could be further from the truth. All of the farmers I meet at the numerous seminars and classes that we all intend to improve our knowledge and skills are very concerned with the proper application of controls, be they organic or chemical. Notably, both types of farmers attend these seminars, which are usually run by the agricultural extension service, and exchange views. Often the seminar will occur at a farm which may be organic or not. Again both types of farmers attend and are interested in the techniques used on that farm. Farmers are business people who make their living and provide for their families by farming. They are interested in the most economical methods of operation and surely want to avoid anything that would be detrimental to the continuing success of their enterprise. Excessive and misdirected use of any product is contrary to their goals so it does not happen except by accident and such accidents are usually quickly investigated resulting in corrective action. These farmers are constantly on the lookout for techniques that will make them more efficient. Qualified labor is a scarce and therefore valuable commodity. The farmer spends the labor available to him as wisely as possible. He must because market pressures put a limit on the value of his products. That is how the free market system works and the farmer lives by those rules or goes under. John My error, and my apology for miss characterizing you but I still respect your knowledge and honesty. In your response about the use of "Round-up" you put in a very large "if". Personally, I hate these chemicals and that gives me a reflex reaction against them. You help me understand why a person may rationally wish to use them or not. It gives me balance, and I still hate them, but I respect your opinion. I wish you luck because I don't believe it is a free market. It seems that today, for a farmer to survive, he must find a niche market that isn't worth the trouble for big agra. Again my apologies for not listening more closely. -- FB - FFF Billy Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. - Bob Marley |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:26:52 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , Charlie wrote: given your advanced years You pin headed little twerp. Whose in advanced years? I used to be older but I'm much younger now, thank you very much. 'Twas the day when rapscallions like you would be taken out back of the wood shed. LOL!! "Bring it on" ~GWB .....(I'm running for cover now! Where's that damned log????) Sounds like Number 1 has a head on his shoulders, your son must have married well. Wahhhhhh...you really are feeling yer oats tonite, you old stud! Keep your left up, and keep counter punching. Don't they know who they are fightin'? Heh......couple old brawlers we be with likely some Scots blood in common....way, way back in the day. Hang in dawg, Hangin' in and crawlin' back on. You hang on a bit longer......break is coming. Time for tales round the fire and study and a bit more brawlin'! Charlie Dang, always did have a soft spot for you whippersnapper. Take care of your self and listen to your "lovely". A nice little brawl would be nice though. Which reminds me, what you doin' up so late for? No, don't respond, the lovey-poo is waiting for me too. Go to bed. -- FB - FFF Billy Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. - Bob Marley |
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:51:26 -0700, Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article , (enigma) says... if you can prove to me that this method is causing glyphosphate drift into the soil/water, i'll look into another method. as it stands now though, the PI has to go, & this is the best option i can find. Glyphosate takes a variable amount of time to break down, depending mostly on temperature, but it binds immediately with any clay particles it comes into contact with, which inactivates it. Not exactly. I've been fresh cut stump treating with Roundup for three years, mostly multiflora rose and Autumn Olive. I cut them off close to the ground and also use a paint scraper to scarify exposed roots, then brush on the Roundup. By the time I get to the end of a batch, I've carried enough soil into the container with the brush that the solution is seriously "murky", with some soil settled out on the bottom. I was concerned about this at first, but found it still was effective. So, while the glyphosate may have been adsorbed onto the surface of soil particles, it was not inactivated. The antidote for accidental glyphosate ingestion is Kaopectate, which contains kaolin clay. Even a slight murkiness in the water used to mix the spray will reduce or eliminate the effectiveness of glyphosate. Essentially, once it hits the ground, it's dead. It does not transport through the soil by water motion. It is not legal to machine apply glyphosate within 50 feet of open water. Using a hand sprayer, you can get within 10 feet. |
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