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I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of
the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim |
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"McGerm" wrote in message
... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Question: What bug problems are you trying to deal with? In other words, I assume you have sat in the garden with bug identification books, and specifically identified all the different bugs you see. Please tell me which "bad" bugs you're trying to get rid of. I'm asking because it never makes sense to create extra work for yourself if there's no reason to do so. And, the tea you're thinking of making could also kill beneficial insects. I will eagerly await your complete list of bugs you've identified. |
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The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It
was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. |
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"McGerm" wrote in message
... The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. I don't care who presented it. Did he say the tobacco tea would only kill the problem bugs? Do you realize that you need bugs to pollinate some of your vegetables? |
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"McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Sounds like you got hold of some Jerry Baker schlock. Our PBS stations stopped carrying his programs years ago as well as his Sunday radio programs. More than a few organic gardening groups suggested he be strung up by the thumbs. The NW Flower and Garden show hasn't had him for a speaker in years because of the flack they got from "real" garden educators and the Master Gardeners Association about his misinformation and use of the unearned title "Master Gardener". I was riveted in the doorway (early 90s as I recall) when passing by one his seminars (everyone loves a good train wreck) when a gentleman stood and introduced himself as a professor and head of the U of W Horticultural Dept and went into a "what the hell are you thinking" demanding for a basis of his unfounded and potentially harmful formulas. Ol' Jerry was red in the face and sputtering when he just walked off the stage without replying......so ended a very short seminar. Never saw him again on the roster of speakers. Here's an article you might find interesting. Rather enlightening about his qualifications and expertise. http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4DMG/Whats/jbaker.htm Val |
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... "McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Sounds like you got hold of some Jerry Baker schlock. Our PBS stations stopped carrying his programs years ago as well as his Sunday radio programs. More than a few organic gardening groups suggested he be strung up by the thumbs. The NW Flower and Garden show hasn't had him for a speaker in years because of the flack they got from "real" garden educators and the Master Gardeners Association about his misinformation and use of the unearned title "Master Gardener". I was riveted in the doorway (early 90s as I recall) when passing by one his seminars (everyone loves a good train wreck) when a gentleman stood and introduced himself as a professor and head of the U of W Horticultural Dept and went into a "what the hell are you thinking" demanding for a basis of his unfounded and potentially harmful formulas. Ol' Jerry was red in the face and sputtering when he just walked off the stage without replying......so ended a very short seminar. Never saw him again on the roster of speakers. Here's an article you might find interesting. Rather enlightening about his qualifications and expertise. http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4DMG/Whats/jbaker.htm Val Interesting! Thanks. To the OP: Go to www.powells.com and find a used copy of "Crockett's Victory Garden", by James Underwood Crockett. Do everything he does..... ***********EXCEPT********** ......that you should ignore all his advice about the endless use of sprays & powders. He went way overboard. Maybe that's what killed him. Ignore all of it until you've managed to locate your public library and brought home some books (made of paper). |
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oups.com: The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. Jerry Baker is a garden quack. if you really like your yard & garden, please do not follow his silly formulas & poor advice. lee |
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"McGerm" wrote in message ... non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. If it were prudent to be treating *everything* bad before it appears wouldn't that liken to everyone with a stray dog, skunk, squirrel wandering within 5 miles go in for 10 days of Rabies treatment just because? And what is "non-toxic" about tobacco and antiseptic mouth wash? What you spray up will drip down, never mind that you are killing everything good, bad or otherwise for no rational reason....what do you think this stuff will do to earthworms when it leaches into the soil? Val |
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... "McGerm" wrote in message ... non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. If it were prudent to be treating *everything* bad before it appears wouldn't that liken to everyone with a stray dog, skunk, squirrel wandering within 5 miles go in for 10 days of Rabies treatment just because? And what is "non-toxic" about tobacco and antiseptic mouth wash? What you spray up will drip down, never mind that you are killing everything good, bad or otherwise for no rational reason....what do you think this stuff will do to earthworms when it leaches into the soil? Val Observation: In biology class, 1970, we saw a movie in which a drop of pure nicotine was placed on the pink inside of a rabbit's ear. It died quickly. |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
... The message from McGerm contains these words: I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? Well I know that commercial tomato growers here, don't permit employees smoking in the glasshouses for that reason. BTW, nicotine insecticides were banned here (UK ) years ago, because they are a health hazard to people by skin contact. (and, to all insects, including beneficial). UNless you have an uncontrollable outbreak of pests, there's no point applying "clean up" stuff.. Far better, to feed the soil (home made compost, humus, mulches), so plants grow strong and healthy. Encourage natural predators ( frogs birds and insects etc ) in the garden and they will do all the necessary pest control. Janet Yeah...you talk about these natural predators like they're all sweet little creatures, but this ******* attacked me back in September. Went right for my throat, but I frightened it off with a blade of grass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er/Toad_01.jpg |
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On 1/7/08 4:27 PM, in article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from McGerm contains these words: I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? Well I know that commercial tomato growers here, don't permit employees smoking in the glasshouses for that reason. BTW, nicotine insecticides were banned here (UK ) years ago, because they are a health hazard to people by skin contact. (and, to all insects, including beneficial). UNless you have an uncontrollable outbreak of pests, there's no point applying "clean up" stuff.. Far better, to feed the soil (home made compost, humus, mulches), so plants grow strong and healthy. Encourage natural predators ( frogs birds and insects etc ) in the garden and they will do all the necessary pest control. Janet Yeah...you talk about these natural predators like they're all sweet little creatures, but this ******* attacked me back in September. Went right for my throat, but I frightened it off with a blade of grass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er/Toad_01.jpg He's so cute!!!! |
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"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
... On 1/7/08 4:27 PM, in article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from McGerm contains these words: I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? Well I know that commercial tomato growers here, don't permit employees smoking in the glasshouses for that reason. BTW, nicotine insecticides were banned here (UK ) years ago, because they are a health hazard to people by skin contact. (and, to all insects, including beneficial). UNless you have an uncontrollable outbreak of pests, there's no point applying "clean up" stuff.. Far better, to feed the soil (home made compost, humus, mulches), so plants grow strong and healthy. Encourage natural predators ( frogs birds and insects etc ) in the garden and they will do all the necessary pest control. Janet Yeah...you talk about these natural predators like they're all sweet little creatures, but this ******* attacked me back in September. Went right for my throat, but I frightened it off with a blade of grass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er/Toad_01.jpg He's so cute!!!! That's Julius. He's also the local union manager. Mr. Tough Guy. He thinks he's Tony Soprano. |
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"McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Tobacco extract is very poisonous. It will kill a great many insects and other small organisms and you and your pets if you get enough into you. Smokers survive (in the short term anyway) because most of the nicotine and related chemicals are destroyed when the tobacco burns. Eat a few cigarettes and go to hospital. Plus antiseptic mouth wash! Just in case some microorganisms survive the nicotine. Your garden relies upon small living organisms don't sterilize it with such a brew. David |
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On Jan 7, 10:17 am, enigma wrote:
McGerm wrote oups.com: The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. Jerry Baker is a garden quack. if you really like your yard & garden, please do not follow his silly formulas & poor advice. lee A big round of applause for wreck gardens! Do we have the best advice givers here or what? All of you/us are great. I think poor ol Jerry will never fade away, and we are doomed to be hearing his mal-advised-advice for years............... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal |
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"mleblanca" wrote in message ... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first to vanish. Val |
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"Val" wrote in message
... "mleblanca" wrote in message ... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first to vanish. Val What if a book in the library said it sex with minors was a swell idea? |
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"McGerm" wrote in message
The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. Eeeew. This person sounds like they belong to the "Nuke it till it Glows" Brigade. If you start on this journey, you will always have to do it all the time as you will kill all the good insects in your garden and if you stop the nasties arrive and may do a lot of damage before the natural predators can build up their numbers to counteract them. If you garden organically, you might occasionally have problems but the goodies and the baddies generally balance each other out (and it's less work). |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Val" wrote in message ... "mleblanca" wrote in message ... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first to vanish. Val What if a book in the library said it sex with minors was a swell idea? Now you're getting into that morality/obscenity/pornography thing that has been bandied and battled for decades through pretty much every level of decision making from the local Altar Guild to the US Supreme Court. Jerry Baker's schlock hardly falls into that category and that reference WAS directed towards Baker's books. The debate over what constitutes inappropriate material and whether (and how) the public should be protected from it will not likely be settled any time soon.The first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791, each amendment has ratified detailed annotations added through the years. You will find that there are many added details regarding children(minors) dealing with obscenity, child pornography and non-obscene but sexually explicit and indecent expression. If you want to look up the 1st Amendment's annotations they will answer that particular question for you. I shall refrain from correcting the grammar in your convolutedly structured question or telling you to "haul your sorry ass to the library and find that answer yourself" 'cause yew iz Joe SpareBedroom and you were most likely wickedly chuckling while you pounded that out on your keyboard with a "lesse how she's gonna answer this"! LMAO ~snort~ Val |
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"McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim best advice I can give with those ingredients is this, in the following order: Enjoy the tobacco in some paper with a filter whilst drinking a cup of tea in the morning. Wash the cup in the lemon scented dish washing liquid & set aside to drain. Gargle with mouthwash before you kiss your wife good bye in the morning. Sounds like a far better use for the 'clean up tonic' to me. rob |
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"Val" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Val" wrote in message ... "mleblanca" wrote in message ... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first to vanish. Val What if a book in the library said it sex with minors was a swell idea? Now you're getting into that morality/obscenity/pornography thing that has been bandied and battled for decades through pretty much every level of decision making from the local Altar Guild to the US Supreme Court. Jerry Baker's schlock hardly falls into that category and that reference WAS directed towards Baker's books. The debate over what constitutes inappropriate material and whether (and how) the public should be protected from it will not likely be settled any time soon.The first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791, each amendment has ratified detailed annotations added through the years. You will find that there are many added details regarding children(minors) dealing with obscenity, child pornography and non-obscene but sexually explicit and indecent expression. If you want to look up the 1st Amendment's annotations they will answer that particular question for you. I shall refrain from correcting the grammar in your convolutedly structured question or telling you to "haul your sorry ass to the library and find that answer yourself" 'cause yew iz Joe SpareBedroom and you were most likely wickedly chuckling while you pounded that out on your keyboard with a "lesse how she's gonna answer this"! LMAO ~snort~ Val Some libraries still have gardening & home maintenance books which suggest doing things with chemicals that are illegal to use in this country. I wonder if they could be edging into the obscenity zone. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Some libraries still have gardening & home maintenance books which suggest doing things with chemicals that are illegal to use in this country. I wonder if they could be edging into the obscenity zone. You and the Altar Guild will have to take that up with the Supreme Court ;) Val |
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"Val" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Some libraries still have gardening & home maintenance books which suggest doing things with chemicals that are illegal to use in this country. I wonder if they could be edging into the obscenity zone. You and the Altar Guild will have to take that up with the Supreme Court ;) Val I'll put that on my list of stuff to do, right after painting my bedroom and installing new window treatments. :) |
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On Jan 7, 6:24*am, McGerm wrote:
I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. *One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. *Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. *The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. *Will this treatment spread the virus? *According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim You would be much better off adding beneficial microbes to your leaf surface through AACT or Actively Aerated Compost Tea, than killing everything with your recipe. Plants put out exudates (simple sugars, carbohydrates, etc.) through their roots and also on the surface of the leaves. In a healthy plant, these resources are taken in by beneficial bacteria, fungi, and protozoa, which then occupy the infection sites on the leaf and OUTCOMPETE the pathogens for that space. It's a symbiotic relationship that's constantly occurring at a microscopic level. Here's a good starting point for learning mo http://www.soilfoodweb.com/03_about_us/approach.html |
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On Jan 7, 8:58 pm, "Val" wrote:
"mleblanca" wrote in message ... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first to vanish. Val Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you see...................... Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet you can come too- and any other volunteers) Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our individual libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden tools. Come and join us Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this evening................... |
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"mleblanca" wrote in message news:e1391290-3bd7-48ec-a710- Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you see...................... Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet you can come too- and any other volunteers) Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our individual libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden tools. Come and join us Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this evening................... Tell you what......I'll just sit by the phone with my change jar at the ready in case you need to make a "bail call". Val |
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