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Jangchub wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:05:10 -0500, "symplastless"
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless"
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are
you
kidding me?


Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without
trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae.
I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online.

You cannot innoculate with an organ.

It is not attached to any tree I know
of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you
have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made
up of tree root AND fungus? It's not.

Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a
Greek word meaning -
mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up
of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES!
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html

While it is symbiotic, it is NOT NOT NOT a tree root. Not today,
not
tomorrow, not yesterday NOT. Fungi are in a class of their own, not
plant, not animal. Mycorrhizae does not, repeat, does not depend on
a
tree to exist. It is not part of the tree. It is not part of the
root. There are many types of this fungi, I am familiar with and
have
used and will use VAM Mycorrhizae. Not all plants need this or
benefit by this type of fungi. Certainly conifers and many trees,
roses, blueberries and a list of other plants which notoriously have
weak root systems.

The fungi themselves, growing alone, are not called "mycorrhizae".
VAM mycorrhizae are produced by any of about 200 fungi belonging to
the genus Glomeromycota when they grown on or in or in sufficiently
close proximity to tree roots. A phylogenetic tree for that genus can
be found at http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~schuessler/amphylo/. Note
that none of the species is called "mycorrhizae".

If there's no fungus then there are no mycorrhizae. If there is no
tree there are no mycorrhize. It's when you have _both_ that
mycorrizae occur.

And do yourself and everyone else a favor; when directing people to
the scientific evidence, try to refrain from using your own website
to
base your debate on. It's a bit nonsensicle.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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symplastless wrote:
"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless"
wrote:


"Jangchub" wrote in message
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Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are
you
kidding me?


Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without
trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae.
I
can buy mychorrizae innoculant online.

You cannot innoculate with an organ.

No, you incoculate with the fungus that produces the organ. Why are
you being so picky about this?

Just being truthful.

It is not attached to any tree I know
of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you
have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made
up of tree root AND fungus? It's not.

Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a
Greek word meaning -
mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up
of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES!
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html

Why don't you try reading that yourself, but this time read the whole
thing and not just the first sentence. It explains how such
inoculants work.

If you object to the nomenclature commonly used, "Mycorrhizal
Inoculant", then would you be so kind as to first suggest an equally
succinct alternative and then take the matter up with the producers of
such products or the government or someone else who has the power to
change that nomenclature instead of continuing to harangue a bunch of
people who don't have any control over it?

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)


oh, so you are saying that trees do or do not have mycorrhizae? That was
the argument.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:05:10 -0500, "symplastless"
wrote:


"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless"
wrote:


"Jangchub" wrote in message
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Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you
kidding me?


Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees.
Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy
mychorrizae innoculant online.

You cannot innoculate with an organ.

It is not attached to any tree I know
of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have
got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of
tree root AND fungus? It's not.

Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek
word meaning -
mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of
plant
roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES!
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html

While it is symbiotic, it is NOT NOT NOT a tree root.

It is a root fungus. A composit organ, its an organ, made up of fungus
tissue and root tissue. Is it fungus or root? YES!

Not today, not
tomorrow, not yesterday NOT. Fungi are in a class of their own, not
plant, not animal. Mycorrhizae does not, repeat, does not depend on a
tree to exist. It is not part of the tree. It is not part of the
root.

So you are saying that you never dug mycorrhizae. Start looking. They are
there. If you want root hairs go to a hew bush. If you want
ectomycorrhizae go to a beech. You have to dig roots and you have to look.
Or you will never see.


There are many types of this fungi, I am familiar with and have
used and will use VAM Mycorrhizae. Not all plants need this or
benefit by this type of fungi. Certainly conifers and many trees,
roses, blueberries and a list of other plants which notoriously have
weak root systems.

And do yourself and everyone else a favor; when directing people to
the scientific evidence, try to refrain from using your own website to
base your debate on. It's a bit nonsensicle.

Until you dig mycorrhizae you should really reframe from such claims.
Scientific research. get a shovel and go look!!!! They are there!!!!!


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Myself, I am studying Advanced Tree Biology. In Advanced Tree Biology
we reframe from loose, sloppy terms. Why, for a better understanding
how the system works. If I see a fellow is so far off tract to call
fertilizer plant food, I have enough care, concern, time and passion to
help that person better understand plants. Again, some people fight to
be stupid and spread it to others. Mostly product pushers are to blame
for the continued confussion.


Out of curiosity, where are you studying Advanced Tree Biology?

It is an educational course on DVD. Not available to the public yet. I
anticipate it will be soon. I study where ever I get the chance.


I didn't know Disney had put one out.

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Nut Case


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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symplastless wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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symplastless wrote:
"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless"
wrote:


"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are
you
kidding me?


Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without
trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae.
I
can buy mychorrizae innoculant online.

You cannot innoculate with an organ.

No, you incoculate with the fungus that produces the organ. Why
are
you being so picky about this?

Just being truthful.

It is not attached to any tree I know
of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you
have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is
made
up of tree root AND fungus? It's not.

Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is
a
Greek word meaning -
mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made
up
of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES!
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html

Why don't you try reading that yourself, but this time read the
whole
thing and not just the first sentence. It explains how such
inoculants work.

If you object to the nomenclature commonly used, "Mycorrhizal
Inoculant", then would you be so kind as to first suggest an
equally
succinct alternative and then take the matter up with the producers
of such products or the government or someone else who has the
power
to change that nomenclature instead of continuing to harangue a
bunch of people who don't have any control over it?

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)


oh, so you are saying that trees do or do not have mycorrhizae?
That
was the argument.

It was? I saw nobody questioning the existence of them, only arguing
over how many mycorrhizae can dance on the head of a pin.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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here is 2 tree questions.
You say "fighting deadwood" Very loose terms and not lucid. I never
heard of such a thing.
Please explain what you are saying.

Define "dead" =
Define "wood" =
See, wood is not static so it may be hard to define like humic acids.
Its constantly going through ecological stages.

Don Where is your section on your web page as far as how you define a
forester?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

Peanuts please

I know all about Brownfingers back yard near the chippy, I've found many a battered brown trout in there in a hell of a state!!!!

John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
reminding us
that we are not the boss.

What the chuff is a consulting Arborist, someone who stands and stares at trees with their chopping tool in their hand looking rather flushed and excited?????????????????????
Someone needs to get a PROPER JOB like kebab sales or uphill gardener!!!!

u stand there watching tress u chuffing plonker how many friends have u actually got

urs sincerly

MuckyHoe

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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:28:34 -0500, "symplastless"
wrote:

And do yourself and everyone else a favor; when directing people to
the scientific evidence, try to refrain from using your own website to
base your debate on. It's a bit nonsensicle.

Until you dig mycorrhizae you should really reframe from such claims.
Scientific research. get a shovel and go look!!!! They are there!!!!!

I will say it again. A tree root is NOT mycorrhizae. They are two
separate things, brought together via capillary water as a route and
in a symbiotic expedition perform a valuable function to any plant
which is susceptible to this formation. IT does not exist on it's
own.

As for digging; I don't know how old you are, but I've been digging
in the dirt since I have been a child. I worked as a grower
professionally for some years at both huge commercial, two million
sq/ft under glass, to as small as five thousand sq/ft under glass. I
think I have an understanding of this fungi, not a single fungus, as
you call it.


Great, please show me some of your pictures of mycorrhizae you have dug.
You sound confused? A fungus infects a non-woody root of a tree and a
mycorrhiza forms. This is an infection many trees rely on to bring in
phosphates. They are common in, on and near large woody material as it
decomposes. It is a organ which is a composite structure made up of both
root tissue and fungus tissue. You may be speaking of something else.
There are organs under water under ice in New Hampshire. They may be called
Oomycorrhizae. Is that what you mean? Do you have a web site with your
pictures?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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Ok


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:30:09 -0500, "symplastless"
wrote:

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us
that we are not the boss.


We aren't the boss? Who is? Are you saying someone up in the sky
makes the earth quake, water flood, fires, storms and volcanic
eruptions? That explains a lot I guess.

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:05:54 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:



The fungi themselves, growing alone, are not called "mycorrhizae".
VAM mycorrhizae are produced by any of about 200 fungi belonging to
the genus Glomeromycota when they grown on or in or in sufficiently
close proximity to tree roots. A phylogenetic tree for that genus can
be found at http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~schuessler/amphylo/. Note
that none of the species is called "mycorrhizae".

If there's no fungus then there are no mycorrhizae. If there is no
tree there are no mycorrhize. It's when you have _both_ that
mycorrizae occur.



So then grass, marigolds, grapevines, not being trees, don't have
mycorrhiza?

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In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:05:54 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:



The fungi themselves, growing alone, are not called "mycorrhizae".
VAM mycorrhizae are produced by any of about 200 fungi belonging to
the genus Glomeromycota when they grown on or in or in sufficiently
close proximity to tree roots. A phylogenetic tree for that genus can
be found at http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~schuessler/amphylo/. Note
that none of the species is called "mycorrhizae".

If there's no fungus then there are no mycorrhizae. If there is no
tree there are no mycorrhize. It's when you have _both_ that
mycorrizae occur.



So then grass, marigolds, grapevines, not being trees, don't have
mycorrhiza?

Annuals have bacteria. Perennials like fungi. Annuals like a higher pH
than perennials.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/946709.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

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Charles wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:05:54 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:



The fungi themselves, growing alone, are not called "mycorrhizae".
VAM mycorrhizae are produced by any of about 200 fungi belonging to
the genus Glomeromycota when they grown on or in or in sufficiently
close proximity to tree roots. A phylogenetic tree for that genus
can
be found at http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~schuessler/amphylo/. Note
that none of the species is called "mycorrhizae".

If there's no fungus then there are no mycorrhizae. If there is no
tree there are no mycorrhize. It's when you have _both_ that
mycorrizae occur.



So then grass, marigolds, grapevines, not being trees, don't have
mycorrhiza?

Google "figurative language".

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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

KABLAMMO
..............

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"Charles" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:05:54 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:



The fungi themselves, growing alone, are not called "mycorrhizae".
VAM mycorrhizae are produced by any of about 200 fungi belonging to
the genus Glomeromycota when they grown on or in or in sufficiently
close proximity to tree roots. A phylogenetic tree for that genus can
be found at http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~schuessler/amphylo/. Note
that none of the species is called "mycorrhizae".

If there's no fungus then there are no mycorrhizae. If there is no
tree there are no mycorrhize. It's when you have _both_ that
mycorrizae occur.



So then grass, marigolds, grapevines, not being trees, don't have
mycorrhiza?

Not from my understanding. I just found this list of plants which form
endomycorrhizae. Please do not quote me on the accuracy of the list. Just
an example.
Acacia, Agapanthus, Ailanthus, Alder, Alfalfa, Almond, Apple, Apricot,
Artichoke, Ash, Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo, Banana, Basil, Bayberry, Bean,
Begonia, Black Locust, Blackberry, Box Elder, Boxwood, Buckeye, Bulbs (all),
Burning Bush, Cacao, Cactus, Camellia, Carrot, Cassava, Catalpa, Ceanothus,
Celery, Cherry, Chokeberry, Chrysanthemum, Citrus (all), Clover, Coconut,
Coffee, Coral Tree, Corn, Cotton, Cottonwood, Crabapple, Cryptomeria,
Cucumber, Currant, Cypress, Dogwood, Eggplant, Elm, Euonymus, Fern, Fescue,
Fig, Forsythia, Fountain Grass, Fuschia, Gardenia, Garlic, Geranium, Ginko,
Grapes (all), Grass, Gum, Hackberry, Hawthorne, Hibiscus, Holly,
Hophornbeam, Hornbeam, Horsechestnut, Impatiens, Jojoba, Juniper, Kiwi,
Leek, Lettuce, Lily, Locust, London, Magnolia, Mahogany, Mahonia, Mango,
Maples (all), Marigold, Melons (all), Mesquite, Millet, Mimosa, Morning
Glory, Mulberry, Monkeypod, Nasturtium, Okra, Olive, Onion, Pacific Yew,
Palms (all), Palmetto, Pampas Grass, Papaya, Paulownia, Passion Fruit, Paw
Paw, Pea, Peach, Peanut, Pear, Pecan, Pepper, Pistachio, Persimmon,
Pittosporum, Plum, Poinsettia, Potato, Poplar, Raintree, Raphiolepis,
Raspberry, Redbud, Redwood, Rice, Rose, Russian Olive, Ryegrass, Sagebrush,
Sassafras, Serviceberry, Sourwood, Soybean, Squash (all), Strawberry, Sudan
Grass, Sugar Cane, Sumac, Sunflower, Sweet Gum, Sweet Potato, Sycamore, Tea,
Tobacco, Tomato, Tree-of-heaven, Tupelo, Walnut, Wheat, Yam, Yellow Poplar,
Yucca.

Better said, without the plant root tissues, or without the fungus tissues
you cannot have a mycorrhiza. Again the word mycorrhiza is Greek. "mycor"
meaning fungi. "rhiza" meaning root. It is a composite organ made up of
plant root tissues and fungi tissues. Is it root or fungus? The answer is
yes. People don't like that kind of question.

The same site had a list of plants that do not respond to endo or ecto.
They had pine and oak on the list. Anytime I dug pine or oak roots I found
ectomycorrhizae. So please do not quote that list.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

For F**ks sake will you shut up with all this ectomycorrhizae SHIT and go and find a decent job, you big gibbon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PS. The only earthquake I ever feel is in me bowels after 12 pints and a dirty horse vindaloo!!