About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Thanks for the help.

as long as they have water they just inhibit the height. leave em alone. It is
unlikely they will generate new growth and they WILL look nasty forever.
Ingrid

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Thanks for the help.

wrote in message
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About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die.

The self thinning rule of ecology will take hold. Yes some may die but they
will be specifically targeted and when they die their mass will be recycled
into the soil to increase the health of the group along the way. If you
wanted to choose ones to cut a SHIGOMETER would help. Also the wood from
the trees cut could be given soil contact and the brushy stuff could be made
in brush piles for wildlife.


He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

No, they are better in a group.



- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Depends on the species, environment and genetics. The trees will do better
in groups. Not really a thing as too close together. have you ever seen a
kissing tree?

When cutting trees in a group or tree farming there are some points to take
into consideration:
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nce/index.html


A good source of tree information based on a thorough understanding of tree
biology is he www.shigoandtrees.com

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

wrote:

About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Thanks for the help.

I think the immediate danger is that the trees will shade eachother,
although if they
are Hemlocks, this tree tolerates a partially shaded area.

Probably pruning is the best choice here. Depends on the variety. I have
seen
Arborvitae plantings as screens where they are right atop eachother, yet
seem to
be doing well.

Sherwin

symplastless wrote:


The self thinning rule of ecology will take hold. Yes some may die but they
will be specifically targeted and when they die their mass will be recycled
into the soil to increase the health of the group along the way. If you
wanted to choose ones to cut a SHIGOMETER would help.

Well, the door was left open to get in another plug for Mr. Keslick. If you

want to measure SHIGO's this may be the tool for you.

Sherwin

In article ,
sherwindu wrote:

symplastless wrote:


The self thinning rule of ecology will take hold. Yes some may die but
they
will be specifically targeted and when they die their mass will be recycled
into the soil to increase the health of the group along the way. If you
wanted to choose ones to cut a SHIGOMETER would help.

Well, the door was left open to get in another plug for Mr. Keslick. If
you

want to measure SHIGO's this may be the tool for you.

Sherwin

It's only the Christian thing to do;-)
--

Billy

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

sherwindu wrote:
symplastless wrote:


The self thinning rule of ecology will take hold. Yes some may die
but they will be specifically targeted and when they die their mass
will be recycled into the soil to increase the health of the group
along the way. If you wanted to choose ones to cut a SHIGOMETER
would help.

Well, the door was left open to get in another plug for Mr.
Keslick. If you

want to measure SHIGO's this may be the tool for you.

I think that one of symplastless' many problems is that he doesn't
seem to be able to grasp the concept that your typical recreational
gardener is dealing with a back yard, not Queensland Botanical
Gardens. And in a back yard one doesn't have the luxury of letting a
tree die and go its natural course--if one doesn't have it cut down by
someone who knows what they are about then it's likely to fall on
someone's house--one's own if one is lucky or that of one's agressive
trial lawyer neighbor if one is not. And if it falls and misses the
house then one doesn't have the luxury of letting its "mass be
recycled into the soil" unless one converts it to mulch with a wood
chipper--in most areas leaving a dead tree in your yard until it rots
away is going to get you in trouble with someone--the neighbors, the
town council, the homeowners' association, etc, not to mention what
happens when the aforementioned lawyer's kids start scrambling around
it and one of them manages to injure himself.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

wrote:
About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. �He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

They will survive quite well, that's how conifers grow in a forest,
they need only their upermost portion in the sun.... you can plant a
privacy screen/windbreak or specimen plantings, you cannot have the
same trees accomplish both.

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Nasty forever.

"Sheldon" wrote in message
...
wrote:
About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. �He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

They will survive quite well, that's how conifers grow in a forest,
they need only their upermost portion in the sun.... you can plant a
privacy screen/windbreak or specimen plantings, you cannot have the
same trees accomplish both.

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Nasty forever.


One thing never expressed by the original poster was species and location.
Most evergreens (?) do not do well in close competition.

On Apr 22, 10:15Â*am, "Don Staples" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

...

wrote:
About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. �He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

They will survive quite well, that's how conifers grow in a forest,
they need only their upermost portion in the sun.... you can plant a
privacy screen/windbreak or specimen plantings, you cannot have the
same trees accomplish both.

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Nasty forever.

One thing never expressed by the original poster was species and location.
Most evergreens (?) do not do well in close competition.

The OP said Evergreen "Trees", which means conifers. Conifers do very
well growing compacted by their own kind, that's how they grow in
their natural habitat. In fact most all evergreens, even shrubs, do
very well growing compacted.... just because a portion is shaded and
has little to no greenery doesn't mean the plant is unhealthy,
aethetics has nothing to do with objectivity. You've obviously never
walked through a conifer forest.

"Sheldon" wrote in message
...
On Apr 22, 10:15 am, "Don Staples" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

...

wrote:
About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. �He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

They will survive quite well, that's how conifers grow in a forest,
they need only their upermost portion in the sun.... you can plant a
privacy screen/windbreak or specimen plantings, you cannot have the
same trees accomplish both.

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Nasty forever.

One thing never expressed by the original poster was species and location.
Most evergreens (?) do not do well in close competition.

The OP said Evergreen "Trees", which means conifers. Conifers do very
well growing compacted by their own kind, that's how they grow in
their natural habitat. In fact most all evergreens, even shrubs, do
very well growing compacted.... just because a portion is shaded and
has little to no greenery doesn't mean the plant is unhealthy,
aethetics has nothing to do with objectivity. You've obviously never
walked through a conifer forest.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
sherwindu wrote:
symplastless wrote:


The self thinning rule of ecology will take hold. Yes some may die
but they will be specifically targeted and when they die their mass
will be recycled into the soil to increase the health of the group
along the way. If you wanted to choose ones to cut a SHIGOMETER
would help.

Well, the door was left open to get in another plug for Mr.
Keslick. If you

want to measure SHIGO's this may be the tool for you.

I think that one of symplastless' many problems is that he doesn't
seem to be able to grasp the concept that your typical recreational
gardener is dealing with a back yard, not Queensland Botanical
Gardens. And in a back yard one doesn't have the luxury of letting a
tree die and go its natural course--if one doesn't have it cut down by
someone who knows what they are about then it's likely to fall on
someone's house--one's own if one is lucky or that of one's agressive
trial lawyer neighbor if one is not. And if it falls and misses the
house then one doesn't have the luxury of letting its "mass be
recycled into the soil" unless one converts it to mulch with a wood
chipper--in most areas leaving a dead tree in your yard until it rots
away is going to get you in trouble with someone--the neighbors, the
town council, the homeowners' association, etc, not to mention what
happens when the aforementioned lawyer's kids start scrambling around
it and one of them manages to injure himself.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)



Sure, but you must consider that a tourniquet around the neck will stop a
nose bleed. No matter where you are, treatments out of the ignorance of
tree biology adds up to problems for trees as well as tree so-called owner
and associates. A SHIGOMETER is a very basic tool. Its just a ohm meter
which is pulsed. However, where you go astray is that you must have a
thorough understanding of tree anatomy to understand what the numbers mean.
I have one and use it often. No big deal. Clients like the technology and
understanding. Obviously you do not understand SHIGOMETRY and curse those
that do. Sad and it hurts.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

"symplastless" wrote in message
news

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
sherwindu wrote:
symplastless wrote:


The self thinning rule of ecology will take hold. Yes some may die
but they will be specifically targeted and when they die their mass
will be recycled into the soil to increase the health of the group
along the way. If you wanted to choose ones to cut a SHIGOMETER
would help.

Well, the door was left open to get in another plug for Mr.
Keslick. If you

want to measure SHIGO's this may be the tool for you.

I think that one of symplastless' many problems is that he doesn't
seem to be able to grasp the concept that your typical recreational
gardener is dealing with a back yard, not Queensland Botanical
Gardens. And in a back yard one doesn't have the luxury of letting a
tree die and go its natural course--if one doesn't have it cut down by
someone who knows what they are about then it's likely to fall on
someone's house--one's own if one is lucky or that of one's agressive
trial lawyer neighbor if one is not. And if it falls and misses the
house then one doesn't have the luxury of letting its "mass be
recycled into the soil" unless one converts it to mulch with a wood
chipper--in most areas leaving a dead tree in your yard until it rots
away is going to get you in trouble with someone--the neighbors, the
town council, the homeowners' association, etc, not to mention what
happens when the aforementioned lawyer's kids start scrambling around
it and one of them manages to injure himself.

Wow, and driving a car is safe? maybe somebody will get hurt, better get
rid of cars. Also water is very dangerous while you are concerned about
risk - it can cause serious burns and death. Better ban water. Before
somebody drowns. Maybe get rid of pools? very silly to just give up on the
ecological stages of tree because someone might get hurt. Give me one
example of a case where someone was injured by a nurse log? I think the
problem is that you do not understand trees yet claim to be an expert. I
guess you really hate trees. I heard there would be people like you.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..

Wow, and driving a car is safe? maybe somebody will get hurt, better get
rid of cars. Also water is very dangerous while you are concerned about
risk - it can cause serious burns and death. Better ban water. Before
somebody drowns. Maybe get rid of pools? very silly to just give up on
the ecological stages of tree because someone might get hurt. Give me one
example of a case where someone was injured by a nurse log? I think the
problem is that you do not understand trees yet claim to be an expert. I
guess you really hate trees. I heard there would be people like you.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Buttercup
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books
that will give them understanding.

Off you meds again, I see.

Don

Sorry for attacking you!


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.
"Don Staples" wrote in message
news:vsednbp0uvc5y5PVnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@telecomsuppl yinc...
"Sheldon" wrote in message
...
On Apr 22, 10:15 am, "Don Staples" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

...

wrote:
About 10 years ago my neighbor planted two rows (staggered) of
evergreens to act as a privacy barrier.

Now the trees are getting pretty big and he is concerned that they
might choke each other out and die. ?He could remove one of the rows
but the "insides" of the trees don't have any healthy growth since not
much light gets in there.

Questions a

- Is it possible that the trees could choke each other out or can they
survive close to each other?

They will survive quite well, that's how conifers grow in a forest,
they need only their upermost portion in the sun.... you can plant a
privacy screen/windbreak or specimen plantings, you cannot have the
same trees accomplish both.

- If he does remove a row will the previously unexposed side of the
tree generate new growth or will the just look nasty forever.

Nasty forever.

One thing never expressed by the original poster was species and
location.
Most evergreens (?) do not do well in close competition.

The OP said Evergreen "Trees", which means conifers. Conifers do very
well growing compacted by their own kind, that's how they grow in
their natural habitat. In fact most all evergreens, even shrubs, do
very well growing compacted.... just because a portion is shaded and
has little to no greenery doesn't mean the plant is unhealthy,
aethetics has nothing to do with objectivity. You've obviously never
walked through a conifer forest.