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Saw that Obama has a shot. I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. Aside from policy they espoused which I am ignorant of I sort of feel that Bill Clinton hurt her a lot. Bill is a smart guy like Gore both Rhode scholars. So why did Bill become a negative for his spouse? I'd hazard a guess his bypass and follow up surgery's caused a change in his personality and view of world issues. This surgery given glib concern can and does effect people in a profound way. Causal inspection seems OK but the reality of just how close passing is can diminish ones joy of life. This joy I feel is crucial in dealing with life's minor set backs it color's it if you will how we deal with being here. ( Yet another reason to plant stuff). So Bill becomes more of a negative than a positive. Mystery protrudes an effects how our country will be governed in the near future. Has to be better. Bill 7 hours on a pump and writes stupid stuff but the mass media ignores me and Bill Clinton has fame to suffer. -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/ |
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Bill wrote:
I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. -- Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A) To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
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Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/ |
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Bill wrote:
In article , Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. Bill Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup? Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening. As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE. -- Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A) To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
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Persephone wrote in message
... On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:19:24 -0500, Jangchub wrote: [...] Our voting system is archaic and needs a major overhaul. [...] Understatement of the millennium! Whole thing is shot to ****. First thing is get the money out of politics. It is downright obscene how the ****ing media kept running tabs on who raised the most money! As if that had anything to do with their qualifications for office. The power of those near-criminal lobbyists must somehow be restricted without trampling on their ****ing First Amendment rights. Next thing is to do away with "winner takes all" for each state, and institute a proportional system. Flush the Electoral College down the toilet where it belongs. Let the popular vote determine. The Founders left us a system that has been the envy of the world. It's sad how we're allowing it to be trashed; what kind of country are we leaving our children! Persephone Don't get me wrong, I am agreeing with you mostly. However, many folks need to research what the need for the delegate system was when instituted. That is, what was the original purpose of the delegate system, why was it created? Why is it inappropriate now on the basis of why the delegate system was originally created? No, regarding state to state. If you're going to use the popular vote, simply the number total for all states determine the victor. No wishy-washy stuff. Most children that I know are of the opinion that they are deserving of everything, no work or allegiance to anyone involved. No genuine participation and/or familiarity with reality is needed. The parents coddle them to hell. -- Dave |
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Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: In article , Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. Bill Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup? Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening. As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE. I need to ask if the price of food isn't political, if the reduced bio-diversity of the seed we buy isn't political, if the quality (crops designed for quantity and shelf life instead of nutrition) and quantity (of nutrient poor processed foods) of our food isn't political, if the information we receive about nutrition from our HMOs and government isn't political, if the concentration of control over our food supplies isn't political, if the production (supposedly regulated) and distribution (to the Seven-Elevens of our inner cities) of our food isn't political, if the treatment of consumers of food isn't cut from the same whole cloth as is our military and social policies. Growing a garden means that the food that is available commercially, isn't acceptable to us (be it esthetics, cost, flavor, or health risks) and I believe, that is a political statement. This is a general newsgroup about the broad spectrum of nurturing vegetative life, and like it or not, there is a political dimension to it. In a perfect world, this would not be the case, and we could spend our time trying to perfect the perfect carrot or whatever. We try to monitor ourselves, and ****ing and moaning about perceived excesses is your right as part of the group, and I'm sure it will some have an effect. Unfortunately, political policies do affect food production, including gardening. -- Billy Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:28:04 -0700, Persephone wrote: what kind of country are we leaving our children! One poisoned by idiots who *use* poison.....both mental/ideological and literal poison.......such as roundup and ortho shit. Charlie Oh Charlie (LOL), don't you go and sugar coat it. You know stuff happens. If the Lucrezia Borgia of Santa Monica wasn't off poisoning the environment, she might not have any life at all. The Santa Monica Coop http://www.coopportunity.com/co_opCo...er/current.htm does have a couple of good videos that you probably would enjoy. -- Billy Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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Jangchub wrote in
: People don't like the Clinton's, but the "Clinton's" are not running for president, Hillary is. She won by popular vote. Our voting system is archaic and needs a major overhaul. I do not think Obama has what it takes to be the president. i didn't dislike Bill Clinton & i think the whole "scandal" thing was stupid, but Hillary is NOT Bill and she's NOT presidential material. i'm glad she finally woke up & conceeded. she did not have the popular vote (unless you count FL & MI, where no one else ran against her, & don't count the caucus states) either. she also couldn't have possibly won against McCain, & that is the important part. she may have had a good Democratic base, but the independant & swing voters disliked her. if you look at the polls, a Clinton vs McCain race was always quite solidly won by McCain, whereas an Obama/McCain match is much closer & leans to Obama. if the Democrats had run Clinton, it would have allowed the Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory... i have no issues with Hillary as a person & i think she's a decent senator for NY, but as president? no way! she's Bush jr in a dress. delusions of power & all. lee -- Last night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. |
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Charlie wrote in
: On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:28:07 -0400, Bill R wrote: Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening. This is interesting......I have searched for the charter for rec.gardens and I cannot find it. Would you please post it for those of us who are too ignorant and/or lazy to do a proper search and/or stay on topic. since it's *clearly* labelled as OT & political, it's easily deleated by those who do not wish to read it. if i have time later, i'll see if i can find the charter for rec.gardens, but i will say that i've been reading here for over 12 years & there has always been some political content. lee -- Last night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. |
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On Jun 4, 6:37*pm, Bill wrote:
In article , *Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: *I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. *Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). *And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. *Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. *Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. * *Bill My read of your original post was that the bypass surgery may have effected Bill Clinton's outlook. A second thought, having had similar myself, is that it can effect mental processes due to potential for ministrokes that go un detected and a person's mental outlook is also effected. Could have effect on your gardening or your politics. See no problem posting here. If I ever have a concern it is with Billy's stupid signature ;( Frank |
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, Billy wrote: In article , Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: In article , Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. Bill Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup? Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening. As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE. I need to ask if the price of food isn't political, if the reduced bio-diversity of the seed we buy isn't political, if the quality (crops designed for quantity and shelf life instead of nutrition) and quantity (of nutrient poor processed foods) of our food isn't political, if the information we receive about nutrition from our HMOs and government isn't political, if the concentration of control over our food supplies isn't political, if the production (supposedly regulated) and distribution (to the Seven-Elevens of our inner cities) of our food isn't political, if the treatment of consumers of food isn't cut from the same whole cloth as is our military and social policies. Growing a garden means that the food that is available commercially, isn't acceptable to us (be it esthetics, cost, flavor, or health risks) and I believe, that is a political statement. This is a general newsgroup about the broad spectrum of nurturing vegetative life, and like it or not, there is a political dimension to it. In a perfect world, this would not be the case, and we could spend our time trying to perfect the perfect carrot or whatever. We try to monitor ourselves, and ****ing and moaning about perceived excesses is your right as part of the group, and I'm sure it will some have an effect. Unfortunately, political policies do affect food production, including gardening. Billy look at this before it goes away. I think of this as profiting by starvation. "When crop prices are climbing, holding inventory for future sale can yield higher profits than selling to meet current demand, for example. Or if prices diverge in different parts of the world, inventory can be shipped to the more profitable market." "Mr. Duryea of the Ospraie fund dismissed the idea that financial investors, with obligations to suppliers and customers of their elevators and fertilizer services, would put their thumb on the supply-demand scale by holding back inventory to move prices artificially." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/bu...1&hp&oref=slog in Ps I saved the doc as an image. ......................... I'll think I'll go outside for awhile.... Its A Beautiful Morning 2:31 Young Rascals Oldies MPEG audio file -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/ |
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, Bill wrote: In article , Billy wrote: In article , Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: In article , Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. Bill Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup? Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening. As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE. I need to ask if the price of food isn't political, if the reduced bio-diversity of the seed we buy isn't political, if the quality (crops designed for quantity and shelf life instead of nutrition) and quantity (of nutrient poor processed foods) of our food isn't political, if the information we receive about nutrition from our HMOs and government isn't political, if the concentration of control over our food supplies isn't political, if the production (supposedly regulated) and distribution (to the Seven-Elevens of our inner cities) of our food isn't political, if the treatment of consumers of food isn't cut from the same whole cloth as is our military and social policies. Growing a garden means that the food that is available commercially, isn't acceptable to us (be it esthetics, cost, flavor, or health risks) and I believe, that is a political statement. This is a general newsgroup about the broad spectrum of nurturing vegetative life, and like it or not, there is a political dimension to it. In a perfect world, this would not be the case, and we could spend our time trying to perfect the perfect carrot or whatever. We try to monitor ourselves, and ****ing and moaning about perceived excesses is your right as part of the group, and I'm sure it will some have an effect. Unfortunately, political policies do affect food production, including gardening. Billy look at this before it goes away. I think of this as profiting by starvation. "When crop prices are climbing, holding inventory for future sale can yield higher profits than selling to meet current demand, for example. Or if prices diverge in different parts of the world, inventory can be shipped to the more profitable market." "Mr. Duryea of the Ospraie fund dismissed the idea that financial investors, with obligations to suppliers and customers of their elevators and fertilizer services, would put their thumb on the supply-demand scale by holding back inventory to move prices artificially." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/bu...1&hp&oref=slog in Ps I saved the doc as an image. ........................ I'll think I'll go outside for awhile.... Its A Beautiful Morning 2:31 Young Rascals Oldies MPEG audio file This has already happened in India. I first heard of it from the writings of Vandana Shiva. http://www.alrc.net/doc/mainfile.php...statements/417 India represents a fifth of the worlds population and is said to be the worlds largest democracy. Should we be surprised when this business paradigm comes to America, given our present POLITICAL atmosphere? -- Billy Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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enigma wrote: Jangchub wrote in : People don't like the Clinton's, but the "Clinton's" are not running for president, Hillary is. She won by popular vote. Our voting system is archaic and needs a major overhaul. I do not think Obama has what it takes to be the president. i didn't dislike Bill Clinton & i think the whole "scandal" thing was stupid, but Hillary is NOT Bill and she's NOT presidential material. i'm glad she finally woke up & conceeded. she did not have the popular vote (unless you count FL & MI, where no one else ran against her, & don't count the caucus states) either. she also couldn't have possibly won against McCain, & that is the important part. she may have had a good Democratic base, but the independant & swing voters disliked her. if you look at the polls, a Clinton vs McCain race was always quite solidly won by McCain, whereas an Obama/McCain match is much closer & leans to Obama. if the Democrats had run Clinton, it would have allowed the Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory... i have no issues with Hillary as a person & i think she's a decent senator for NY, but as president? no way! she's Bush jr in a dress. delusions of power & all. lee Bill Clinton had his dark side to, just well hidden. Weapons for Indonesia to use in East Timor, human rights abuses, and the beginnings of mercenary troops jump to mind. ttp://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6e62024b 85b94292d71fffa81556cc93 http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/usa/index.html -- Billy Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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, Frank wrote: On Jun 4, 6:37*pm, Bill wrote: In article , *Bill R wrote: Bill wrote: *I voted for him in the primary but I wonder why Hilary stalled. crap deleted Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political CRAP in our garden newsgroup? In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of website where you can discuss politics. PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. *Some of us do gardening to escape (a little). *And for the record, I AM interested in politics, but NOT here. *Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. *Don't like what I write is why god created kill files. * *Bill My read of your original post was that the bypass surgery may have effected Bill Clinton's outlook. A second thought, having had similar myself, is that it can effect mental processes due to potential for ministrokes that go un detected and a person's mental outlook is also effected. Could have effect on your gardening or your politics. See no problem posting here. If I ever have a concern it is with Billy's stupid signature ;( Frank What? You mean -- Billy Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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In article
, Billy wrote: In article , enigma wrote: Jangchub wrote in : People don't like the Clinton's, but the "Clinton's" are not running for president, Hillary is. She won by popular vote. Our voting system is archaic and needs a major overhaul. I do not think Obama has what it takes to be the president. i didn't dislike Bill Clinton & i think the whole "scandal" thing was stupid, but Hillary is NOT Bill and she's NOT presidential material. i'm glad she finally woke up & conceeded. she did not have the popular vote (unless you count FL & MI, where no one else ran against her, & don't count the caucus states) either. she also couldn't have possibly won against McCain, & that is the important part. she may have had a good Democratic base, but the independant & swing voters disliked her. if you look at the polls, a Clinton vs McCain race was always quite solidly won by McCain, whereas an Obama/McCain match is much closer & leans to Obama. if the Democrats had run Clinton, it would have allowed the Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory... i have no issues with Hillary as a person & i think she's a decent senator for NY, but as president? no way! she's Bush jr in a dress. delusions of power & all. lee Bill Clinton had his dark side to, just well hidden. Weapons for Indonesia to use in East Timor, human rights abuses, and the beginnings of mercenary troops jump to mind. ttp://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6e62024b 85b94292d71fffa81556cc93 http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/usa/index.html I just did not want two families running our country any more as 20 years is enough. Let someone else have a go at it. What is next Chelsea and Jeb Bush's son :)) Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/ |
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