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Holger Friebe 22-02-2003 06:27 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana

animaux 22-02-2003 11:39 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
You fertilized way too early, and why would you buy that crap with all the
warnings if you have a child who is going to be touching the soil? I don't now,
nor have I ever been able to figure this out about people. Has me puzzled.


On 22 Feb 2003 10:19:15 -0800, (Holger Friebe) wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana



GrampysGurl 23-02-2003 12:03 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana






Have you ever thought about going organic?
Colleen


GrampysGurl 23-02-2003 12:03 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 

You fertilized way too early, and why would you buy that crap with all the
warnings if you have a child who is going to be touching the soil? I don't
now,
nor have I ever been able to figure this out about people. Has me puzzled.


On 22 Feb 2003 10:19:15 -0800, (Holger Friebe) wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana






It's a learning process, we are from a country that wants instant everything.
When one asks a question we can gently lead them to better alternatives lol. No
one at the Home Depot ever told us of our other options, I had to go out and
find those on my own... Only recently has it become easier to find information
on organic and conservational gardening.

Colleen Ann
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes of fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.



Tim B 23-02-2003 02:03 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Don't take my word for it; get the label from the product you applied, then
call a lawn care company in your area and ask. They are especially
especially glad/hungry for new customers this time of year and they'll talk
to you about it.

By the way don't use grass clippings as garden mulch for awhile as the weed
control agent will still be active and may kill, for instance, ornamentals
grasses and sweet corn.



"Holger Friebe" wrote in message
om...
Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana




Trish K. 23-02-2003 02:27 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
falling over drunken, last post for long time, promise...

tolkien, urs was great, well said, i meant
badly contracted verbs. my bad

nighty night...




Pam 23-02-2003 02:27 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 


Holger Friebe wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana


The other posts suggesting you consider going organic are very appropos.
Weed 'n feed formulations are not very efficient and contribute heavily
to urban pollution. If you need to fertilize your lawn, a straight
fertilizer (either organic or synthetic chemical) will do the trick, but
February is too early - late March or April is better. If you need to
treat for weeds, either spot weed or pull by hand. Weed 'n feed
formulations apply the weed killer far too broadly, covering areas in
which no weeds occur, and leach too easily into ground water and storm
water runoffs. They are some major pollutants of our rivers and streams.
And they are not an efficient use of the herbicide = you spend more money
for poor results.

The only product similar to a weed 'n feed I would recommend is corn
gluten meal and it is not marketed as such. It is a natural pre-emergent
herbicide as well as having some good fertilization ability, specially
when used on lawns. Otherwise, any organic lawn fertilizer is
preferrable.

As to when your daughter can resume play on the lawn, I'd wait until
after a couple of good rains or several deep irrigations. Most herbicides
will dissipate fairly rapidly into the soil with water and will be pretty
much harmless after a week to 10 days. Slow release fertilizer will
persist on the surface for awhile, but it will be beaded or granular and
noticeable, otherwise fertilizer too, will dissipate into the soil. Just
make sure she wears shoes and you wash her hands well after play - she
will be fine.

pam - gardengal


Tim B 23-02-2003 03:15 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Dude. They put the material on on already and want to know when their child
can play in the yard.


"Pam" wrote in message
...


Holger Friebe wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana


The other posts suggesting you consider going organic are very appropos.
Weed 'n feed formulations are not very efficient and contribute heavily
to urban pollution. If you need to fertilize your lawn, a straight
fertilizer (either organic or synthetic chemical) will do the trick, but
February is too early - late March or April is better. If you need to
treat for weeds, either spot weed or pull by hand. Weed 'n feed
formulations apply the weed killer far too broadly, covering areas in
which no weeds occur, and leach too easily into ground water and storm
water runoffs. They are some major pollutants of our rivers and streams.
And they are not an efficient use of the herbicide = you spend more money
for poor results.

The only product similar to a weed 'n feed I would recommend is corn
gluten meal and it is not marketed as such. It is a natural pre-emergent
herbicide as well as having some good fertilization ability, specially
when used on lawns. Otherwise, any organic lawn fertilizer is
preferrable.

As to when your daughter can resume play on the lawn, I'd wait until
after a couple of good rains or several deep irrigations. Most herbicides
will dissipate fairly rapidly into the soil with water and will be pretty
much harmless after a week to 10 days. Slow release fertilizer will
persist on the surface for awhile, but it will be beaded or granular and
noticeable, otherwise fertilizer too, will dissipate into the soil. Just
make sure she wears shoes and you wash her hands well after play - she
will be fine.

pam - gardengal




Warren 23-02-2003 03:39 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Tim B wrote:
Dude. They put the material on on already and want to know when their

child
can play in the yard.


2004

---maybe



Pam 23-02-2003 03:51 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Dude. Nobody at home is right. Read the post - I answered the question.

Tim B wrote:

Dude. They put the material on on already and want to know when their child
can play in the yard.

"Pam" wrote in message
...


Holger Friebe wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana


The other posts suggesting you consider going organic are very appropos.
Weed 'n feed formulations are not very efficient and contribute heavily
to urban pollution. If you need to fertilize your lawn, a straight
fertilizer (either organic or synthetic chemical) will do the trick, but
February is too early - late March or April is better. If you need to
treat for weeds, either spot weed or pull by hand. Weed 'n feed
formulations apply the weed killer far too broadly, covering areas in
which no weeds occur, and leach too easily into ground water and storm
water runoffs. They are some major pollutants of our rivers and streams.
And they are not an efficient use of the herbicide = you spend more money
for poor results.

The only product similar to a weed 'n feed I would recommend is corn
gluten meal and it is not marketed as such. It is a natural pre-emergent
herbicide as well as having some good fertilization ability, specially
when used on lawns. Otherwise, any organic lawn fertilizer is
preferrable.

As to when your daughter can resume play on the lawn, I'd wait until
after a couple of good rains or several deep irrigations. Most herbicides
will dissipate fairly rapidly into the soil with water and will be pretty
much harmless after a week to 10 days. Slow release fertilizer will
persist on the surface for awhile, but it will be beaded or granular and
noticeable, otherwise fertilizer too, will dissipate into the soil. Just
make sure she wears shoes and you wash her hands well after play - she
will be fine.

pam - gardengal



Tom Jaszewski 23-02-2003 01:27 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 

Next time read the precautions BEFORE you threaten the health and
welfare of your children. Then don't buy the crap and learn to use
simple compost and organic fertilizers to end up with a lawn where the
weeds are out competed




On 22 Feb 2003 10:19:15 -0800, (Hollered Fried)
wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana





Regards,

tomj

silvasurfa 23-02-2003 01:51 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 

"Pam" wrote in message
...


Holger Friebe wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana


The other posts suggesting you consider going organic are very appropos.
Weed 'n feed formulations are not very efficient and contribute heavily
to urban pollution. If you need to fertilize your lawn, a straight
fertilizer (either organic or synthetic chemical) will do the trick, but
February is too early - late March or April is better. If you need to
treat for weeds, either spot weed or pull by hand. Weed 'n feed
formulations apply the weed killer far too broadly, covering areas in
which no weeds occur, and leach too easily into ground water and storm
water runoffs. They are some major pollutants of our rivers and streams.
And they are not an efficient use of the herbicide = you spend more money
for poor results.

The only product similar to a weed 'n feed I would recommend is corn
gluten meal and it is not marketed as such. It is a natural pre-emergent
herbicide as well as having some good fertilization ability, specially
when used on lawns. Otherwise, any organic lawn fertilizer is
preferrable.


If her lawn grass is a running rather than clumping variety, and the lawn is
a rough lawn not a show lawn, using a high nitrogen chemical fertiliser to
badly burn any flat weeds is another option.



animaux 23-02-2003 04:39 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On 22 Feb 2003 23:59:01 GMT, (GrampysGurl) wrote:


It's a learning process, we are from a country that wants instant everything.
When one asks a question we can gently lead them to better alternatives lol. No
one at the Home Depot ever told us of our other options, I had to go out and
find those on my own... Only recently has it become easier to find information
on organic and conservational gardening.

Colleen Ann


You're right. I was in a ****y mood yesterday. I do grow weary of people who
read the bag (finally they read it) yet, they still use the stuff when they have
babies who will play on it. I lost my temper, momentarily. You are right.

V

animaux 23-02-2003 04:39 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
If it were my child, dog, cat, ferret, snake, rat, bat, oink or otherwise, I
wouldn't allow them on the lawn till the following year when, by that time, all
traces of the poison will have washed into the drinking water.

So, my answer, dude, is; I would not anything alive on a lawn treated with
atrazine.


On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:10:32 GMT, "Tim B" wrote:

Dude. They put the material on on already and want to know when their child
can play in the yard.


"Pam" wrote in message
...


Holger Friebe wrote:

Hello, I have applied "Weed & Feed" to our lawn. Now I would like to
know when my 15month-old daughter will be able to play there again.
The bag has thousands of warnings and precautions, but does not say a
word about my question.
We live in SC, so it is nice outside already....
Thank you for any help!
Jana


The other posts suggesting you consider going organic are very appropos.
Weed 'n feed formulations are not very efficient and contribute heavily
to urban pollution. If you need to fertilize your lawn, a straight
fertilizer (either organic or synthetic chemical) will do the trick, but
February is too early - late March or April is better. If you need to
treat for weeds, either spot weed or pull by hand. Weed 'n feed
formulations apply the weed killer far too broadly, covering areas in
which no weeds occur, and leach too easily into ground water and storm
water runoffs. They are some major pollutants of our rivers and streams.
And they are not an efficient use of the herbicide = you spend more money
for poor results.

The only product similar to a weed 'n feed I would recommend is corn
gluten meal and it is not marketed as such. It is a natural pre-emergent
herbicide as well as having some good fertilization ability, specially
when used on lawns. Otherwise, any organic lawn fertilizer is
preferrable.

As to when your daughter can resume play on the lawn, I'd wait until
after a couple of good rains or several deep irrigations. Most herbicides
will dissipate fairly rapidly into the soil with water and will be pretty
much harmless after a week to 10 days. Slow release fertilizer will
persist on the surface for awhile, but it will be beaded or granular and
noticeable, otherwise fertilizer too, will dissipate into the soil. Just
make sure she wears shoes and you wash her hands well after play - she
will be fine.

pam - gardengal




animaux 23-02-2003 04:39 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:17:59 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
wrote:


Next time read the precautions BEFORE you threaten the health and
welfare of your children. Then don't buy the crap and learn to use
simple compost and organic fertilizers to end up with a lawn where the
weeds are out competed


Ya know, this is so true. I had all sorts of winter and summer weeds in the
turfgrass when the house was first built. I continued to mow before weeds went
to seed, I fertilized at half the rate the bag said to use (certified organic)
and top dress with compost, about 1/4 inch every spring, hand pulled larger
thistles, and I have not a weed.

Henbit is a pretty little wildflower in winter and so I don't do anything with
that. It helps aerate the soil and melts in April when the heat arrives.

If people would simply give it a chance and stop being lemmings, led by the
cutesy commercial ads with cartoon weeds and bugs (which are actually insects,
not bugs) we'd be a much safer place to live.

Tom Jaszewski 23-02-2003 06:03 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:36:46 GMT, animaux
wrote:

lemmings



I LIKE lemmings.....:)

Importance to people
Inuit do not eat lemmings, nor do they make any use of their small
skins. However, those Inuit who support themselves in whole or in part
by trapping benefit indirectly from the "run" of arctic foxes that
follows each lemming peak.

One of the Inuit names for the collared lemming is kilangmiutak, which
means "one-who-comes-from-the-sky." The legend of lemmings falling
from the sky is common to Inuit all across the North American Arctic
and Scandinavia. It probably arose because of the sudden appearance of
lemmings when the snow melts following a winter of intensive
reproduction. Lemmings, particularly the collared lemming with its
presumed origin from the sky, were sometimes used by shamans
("medicine men") as a source of supernatural powers.

Lemmings are a vital part of the rather simple web of life on the
tundra, and they help to teach us how intricate even that simple
ecosystem is. Their burrowing changes the arctic soil. Their feeding
habits influence the composition of the plant community on the tundra.
And trappers appreciate them for another reason. Because arctic fox
numbers rise and fall according to the abundance of lemmings, the
income of people who depend on fox trapping for a livelihood is linked
to lemmings. The influence of lemmings extends far beyond the Arctic.
A lemming population decline may produce a surplus of Snowy Owls that
will, for a time, flood into southern Canada to the delight of bird
watchers. Meanwhile, the tundra ecosystem is gathering its resources
in preparation for the outburst of energy that will come with the next
lemming year.





Regards,

tomj

animaux 23-02-2003 11:03 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:54:56 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:36:46 GMT, animaux
wrote:

lemmings



I LIKE lemmings.....:)

Importance to people
Inuit do not eat lemmings, nor do they make any use of their small
skins. However, those Inuit who support themselves in whole or in part
by trapping benefit indirectly from the "run" of arctic foxes that
follows each lemming peak.

One of the Inuit names for the collared lemming is kilangmiutak, which
means "one-who-comes-from-the-sky." The legend of lemmings falling
from the sky is common to Inuit all across the North American Arctic
and Scandinavia. It probably arose because of the sudden appearance of
lemmings when the snow melts following a winter of intensive
reproduction. Lemmings, particularly the collared lemming with its
presumed origin from the sky, were sometimes used by shamans
("medicine men") as a source of supernatural powers.

Lemmings are a vital part of the rather simple web of life on the
tundra, and they help to teach us how intricate even that simple
ecosystem is. Their burrowing changes the arctic soil. Their feeding
habits influence the composition of the plant community on the tundra.
And trappers appreciate them for another reason. Because arctic fox
numbers rise and fall according to the abundance of lemmings, the
income of people who depend on fox trapping for a livelihood is linked
to lemmings. The influence of lemmings extends far beyond the Arctic.
A lemming population decline may produce a surplus of Snowy Owls that
will, for a time, flood into southern Canada to the delight of bird
watchers. Meanwhile, the tundra ecosystem is gathering its resources
in preparation for the outburst of energy that will come with the next
lemming year.





Regards,

tomj


Okay, now I like Lemmings too! I also love sheep, so I couldn't say "people
flock like sheep..." Now what? Dopes? People flock like dopes?

V:)

Tom Jaszewski 23-02-2003 11:51 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:00:20 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, now I like Lemmings too! I also love sheep, so I couldn't say "people
flock like sheep..." Now what? Dopes? People flock like dopes?

V:)


Yup dopes and "icidal"!



Regards,

tomj

Holger Friebe 24-02-2003 02:15 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Thank you, Pam, for answering my question and giving additional
advice. After the first "grumpy" answer in this newsgroup I thought
"Oh, fudge! Shoot me! how helpful is THAT?".
I moved to South Carolina and am probably the most "organic" person in
miles here. The first year I sat in my 1acre yard and tried to pull
out weeds. At home I never ever used any herbicides, it just was not
necessary. Here we´ve wasted tons of water the first summer - until I
said it´s just too much just to keep some silly grass green. If you
don´t water enough, the grass dies, which makes room for weeds to grow
even more. We reseeded but it became cold earlier than usual. So the
grass did not grow thickly and dense enough. Again - room for weeds to
flourish in early-spring-like South Carolina winters.
I applied Lyme to adjust the pH of the soil (red clay - the plants
either dry out or rott in the moist ground or are taken by some
fungus, yumm). Nothing really worked out. Now with chasing a toddler
around I do not have the time anymore to do much in the yard (well, I
just cannot do anything and stay focused. 30-second-projects are about
what I get accomplished these days).
So what can I do with my lawn ( I treated only a part of it, so my
daughter still has places to play)? A nice neighbor told me that "Weed
& Feed" applied in winter made the lawn look better in spring. So I
blindly applied that stuff (I´ve never had heard of it, I am German
and still have to learn many terms and products of gardening).
Are there any internet pages to order organic fertilizers (do organic
herbicides even exist?).

Thank again, Pam!
Jana

Tom Jaszewski 24-02-2003 02:27 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On 23 Feb 2003 18:12:32 -0800, (Holger Friebe)
wrote:

(do organic
herbicides even exist?).



develop a healthy soil food web and weeds are out competed...
use compost tea and aerate and top dress with good quality compost and
weeds will cease to exist. pH is a figment of inorganic gardeners
imagination....



Regards,

tomj

Ann 24-02-2003 11:27 AM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Tom Jaszewski expounded:

pH is a figment of inorganic gardeners
imagination....


Tom, that's not true. You need to put in a disclaimer that it depends
on where you live. Without limestone, my soil is naturally 4.5 to
5....way to acid to grow grass. And I do grow a nice lawn,
organically, using regular old fashioned limestone applications twice
a year.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

Kara Tyson 24-02-2003 03:39 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
I applied Lyme to adjust the pH of the soil (red clay - the plants
either dry out or rott in the moist ground or are taken by some
fungus, yumm

_______________________
I hope you meant lime.

HA!

(sorry..just couldnt resist).

Kara Tyson
Lyme Disease Support Group of AL

Pam 24-02-2003 03:51 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
Do a googel search under "organic lawn care" - you will find dozens of
sites that will outline how and when to go about tending to a lawn using
only organic methods, as well as offering an array of organic lawn care
products. I have found that most organic products have a limited local
region where they are offered, so check to see what is available in your
area. You can also get organic products from mail order, but sending
fertilizer by the mail seems to me to be an unnecessary shipping expense
if you can get it locally - most of the products will be very smiliar
anyway.

Timing is just as important as the product you use, so check with your
local county extension service for a lawn care calender for your area.
Lawns can be a huge drain on natural resources and contribute heavily to
unnecessary pesticide and fertilizer pollution. Develop a tolerance for
some weeds and water wisely, fertilize sparingly and mow high - a healthy
lawn will outcompete weeds and be more resistant to drought conditions.
And you will have to use NO products which could harm you, your child or
the environment.

pam - gardengal

Holger Friebe wrote:

Thank you, Pam, for answering my question and giving additional
advice. After the first "grumpy" answer in this newsgroup I thought
"Oh, fudge! Shoot me! how helpful is THAT?".
I moved to South Carolina and am probably the most "organic" person in
miles here. The first year I sat in my 1acre yard and tried to pull
out weeds. At home I never ever used any herbicides, it just was not
necessary. Here we´ve wasted tons of water the first summer - until I
said it´s just too much just to keep some silly grass green. If you
don´t water enough, the grass dies, which makes room for weeds to grow
even more. We reseeded but it became cold earlier than usual. So the
grass did not grow thickly and dense enough. Again - room for weeds to
flourish in early-spring-like South Carolina winters.
I applied Lyme to adjust the pH of the soil (red clay - the plants
either dry out or rott in the moist ground or are taken by some
fungus, yumm). Nothing really worked out. Now with chasing a toddler
around I do not have the time anymore to do much in the yard (well, I
just cannot do anything and stay focused. 30-second-projects are about
what I get accomplished these days).
So what can I do with my lawn ( I treated only a part of it, so my
daughter still has places to play)? A nice neighbor told me that "Weed
& Feed" applied in winter made the lawn look better in spring. So I
blindly applied that stuff (I´ve never had heard of it, I am German
and still have to learn many terms and products of gardening).
Are there any internet pages to order organic fertilizers (do organic
herbicides even exist?).

Thank again, Pam!
Jana



animaux 24-02-2003 04:15 PM

weed & Feed - when may my baby go back on the lawn ??
 
On 23 Feb 2003 18:12:32 -0800, (Holger Friebe) wrote:


(...(

So what can I do with my lawn ( I treated only a part of it, so my
daughter still has places to play)? A nice neighbor told me that "Weed
& Feed" applied in winter made the lawn look better in spring. So I
blindly applied that stuff (I´ve never had heard of it, I am German
and still have to learn many terms and products of gardening).
Are there any internet pages to order organic fertilizers (do organic
herbicides even exist?).

Thank again, Pam!
Jana


Okay, start again. Rule number one: Never blindly do what a nice neighbor
tells you to do. My neighbor shoots and eats mourning doves in his backyard,
puts down 25 pounds of Ironite yearly, and waters every day for 5 minutes. I
wont be taking his advice!

The reason you are seeing these weeds are most likely an indication of very poor
soil structure. Building a good soil with healthy micro and macro organisms is
very important, particularly for turf. Personally, I don't like turf and remove
it every year till it's mostly gone. I'll have the proverbial patch in front to
appease the neighbors (yuk).

Right now is an ideal time (had you not already used a weed and feed product)
would be to put down an organic weed control called, corn gluten meal. Here is
a lot of information on how it works:

http://www.gluten.iastate.edu/

mo

http://www.bioscape.com/bioweed1.html

If you live in the U.S. you can buy it at Lowes Home Centers. It has, as an
added plus a 10% nitrogen faction, which makes it a natural weed and feed.
NEVER feed turf in winter, not even in the hot states, not if you have trees.
If you read the bag of weed and feed, it should tell you on there it is not safe
to use around trees as it is an indiscriminate herbicide and can kill mature
trees as well as saplings. Just nasty stuff, atrazine.

If you want to protect the baby, please just put a nice thick blanket under her
and don't let her crawl on the turf till it rains at least 5 times. I may sound
alarmist, and maybe I am, but this is some nasty stuff they put in bags.

I apologize for my initial, knee jerk response.

Victoria

animaux 24-02-2003 04:16 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:24:24 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
wrote:

On 23 Feb 2003 18:12:32 -0800, (Holger Friebe)
wrote:

(do organic
herbicides even exist?).



develop a healthy soil food web and weeds are out competed...
use compost tea and aerate and top dress with good quality compost and
weeds will cease to exist. pH is a figment of inorganic gardeners
imagination....



Regards,

tomj


That's correct. I'd also add that many of the turfgrass weeds are indicator
weeds. They indicate poor, starved soil. Use organic fertilizer (make sure it
says CERTIFIED organic on the bag or it's not) and do a search on turfgrass
management, organically. Not YOU, Tom, but Holger.

V

animaux 24-02-2003 04:16 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:59:33 -0500, Ann wrote:

Tom Jaszewski expounded:

pH is a figment of inorganic gardeners
imagination....


Tom, that's not true. You need to put in a disclaimer that it depends
on where you live. Without limestone, my soil is naturally 4.5 to
5....way to acid to grow grass. And I do grow a nice lawn,
organically, using regular old fashioned limestone applications twice
a year.


Do you have the soil tested? How do you know it is still so low in pH?

Pam 24-02-2003 04:39 PM

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animaux wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 05:59:33 -0500, Ann wrote:

Tom Jaszewski expounded:

pH is a figment of inorganic gardeners
imagination....


Tom, that's not true. You need to put in a disclaimer that it depends
on where you live. Without limestone, my soil is naturally 4.5 to
5....way to acid to grow grass. And I do grow a nice lawn,
organically, using regular old fashioned limestone applications twice
a year.


Do you have the soil tested? How do you know it is still so low in pH?


One indication it is too acidic without doing any testing is the amount of
moss it produces. A mossy lawn is very indicative of too low a soil pH.

And I have to agree with Ann that proper pH levels are a concern. Less so
with more ornamental plants which are more tolerant of a range of soil pH,
but quite important when it comes to growing a healthy lawn or vegetables,
neither of which thrive in the acidic soils that are common to parts of the
east and west coast.

pam - gardengal


zhanataya 24-02-2003 05:17 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:10:55 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, start again. Rule number one: Never blindly do what a nice neighbor
tells you to do. My neighbor shoots and eats mourning doves in his backyard,
puts down 25 pounds of Ironite yearly, and waters every day for 5 minutes. I
wont be taking his advice!


I don't recommend eating at his house either! Eating mourning doves
is on par with eating a pet cat. Aren't there laws against firing
weapons in a populated area?

zhan


animaux 24-02-2003 09:53 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:35:10 GMT, Pam wrote:


One indication it is too acidic without doing any testing is the amount of
moss it produces. A mossy lawn is very indicative of too low a soil pH.

And I have to agree with Ann that proper pH levels are a concern. Less so
with more ornamental plants which are more tolerant of a range of soil pH,
but quite important when it comes to growing a healthy lawn or vegetables,
neither of which thrive in the acidic soils that are common to parts of the
east and west coast.

pam - gardengal


Oh, I agree with Ann, having lived on Long Island, the island of lost pines and
acid! I had many customers come to me with their woes of pH problems. As soon
as they started using pelletized lime, their pH didn't need as much adjustment
each year, or even the twice a year people were using lime.

Nothing will KEEP the pH down forever, but I was wondering if it was checked to
see that maybe liming was unnecessary for a season or so.

V

animaux 24-02-2003 09:53 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:09:26 GMT, zhanataya wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:10:55 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, start again. Rule number one: Never blindly do what a nice neighbor
tells you to do. My neighbor shoots and eats mourning doves in his backyard,
puts down 25 pounds of Ironite yearly, and waters every day for 5 minutes. I
wont be taking his advice!


I don't recommend eating at his house either! Eating mourning doves
is on par with eating a pet cat. Aren't there laws against firing
weapons in a populated area?

zhan


This is Texas. However, I'm sure there are laws, but I'm not in the city (so to
speak). This is the same man who took a neighbors cat to the woods, dumped it
and would not tell the neighbor where he dumped it. It was a manx cat,
beautiful and not a bother to anyone. I did warn the cats owner that this idiot
would do something like that, but they didn't take heed. This idiot also goes
wild boar hunting and he hung it, dead, on the basketball hoop eyesore in his
driveway. THAT was not acceptable to me and I called police and he had to take
it down. But oh what a ****ing asshole this guy is.

V

animaux 24-02-2003 10:03 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:35:10 GMT, Pam wrote:


One indication it is too acidic without doing any testing is the amount of
moss it produces. A mossy lawn is very indicative of too low a soil pH.

And I have to agree with Ann that proper pH levels are a concern. Less so
with more ornamental plants which are more tolerant of a range of soil pH,
but quite important when it comes to growing a healthy lawn or vegetables,
neither of which thrive in the acidic soils that are common to parts of the
east and west coast.

pam - gardengal


Oh, I agree with Ann, having lived on Long Island, the island of lost pines and
acid! I had many customers come to me with their woes of pH problems. As soon
as they started using pelletized lime, their pH didn't need as much adjustment
each year, or even the twice a year people were using lime.

Nothing will KEEP the pH down forever, but I was wondering if it was checked to
see that maybe liming was unnecessary for a season or so.

V

animaux 24-02-2003 10:03 PM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:09:26 GMT, zhanataya wrote:

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:10:55 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Okay, start again. Rule number one: Never blindly do what a nice neighbor
tells you to do. My neighbor shoots and eats mourning doves in his backyard,
puts down 25 pounds of Ironite yearly, and waters every day for 5 minutes. I
wont be taking his advice!


I don't recommend eating at his house either! Eating mourning doves
is on par with eating a pet cat. Aren't there laws against firing
weapons in a populated area?

zhan


This is Texas. However, I'm sure there are laws, but I'm not in the city (so to
speak). This is the same man who took a neighbors cat to the woods, dumped it
and would not tell the neighbor where he dumped it. It was a manx cat,
beautiful and not a bother to anyone. I did warn the cats owner that this idiot
would do something like that, but they didn't take heed. This idiot also goes
wild boar hunting and he hung it, dead, on the basketball hoop eyesore in his
driveway. THAT was not acceptable to me and I called police and he had to take
it down. But oh what a ****ing asshole this guy is.

V

Holger Friebe 24-02-2003 10:39 PM

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_______________________
I hope you meant lime.

Kara Tyson

Lyme Disease Support Group of AL


Of course! I am German, will I be forgiven?
Jana

Ann 25-02-2003 12:40 AM

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animaux expounded:


Do you have the soil tested? How do you know it is still so low in pH?


Yes, I do. And for the second, because I retest. Really, I think
after growing this lawn for 25 years I do have a clue.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

Ann 25-02-2003 02:15 AM

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Ann expounded:

Yes, I do. And for the second, because I retest. Really, I think
after growing this lawn for 25 years I do have a clue.


Victoria, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound so churlish. I just got
home from work and hadn't unwound yet!

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

animaux 25-02-2003 03:51 AM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:07:10 -0500, Ann wrote:

animaux expounded:


Do you have the soil tested? How do you know it is still so low in pH?


Yes, I do. And for the second, because I retest. Really, I think
after growing this lawn for 25 years I do have a clue.


Ann, I never meant to imply otherwise. You should know better. I suppose I
used the opportunity for others to read the exchange and have their soil tested
before adding lime. I know people down HERE in calciferous soil with a pH of
8.5 in many places, with only a few inches of soil who add lime!

Did you know about pelletized lime? You may not need that second app. if you
use it. I don't know about where you are, but it helped down on Long Island.
Completely different conditions, I'm aware.

Victoria

animaux 25-02-2003 03:51 AM

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:38:18 -0500, Ann wrote:

Ann expounded:

Yes, I do. And for the second, because I retest. Really, I think
after growing this lawn for 25 years I do have a clue.


Victoria, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound so churlish. I just got
home from work and hadn't unwound yet!


No prob. We are having an ice storm after a few days of 80 degrees. It's
enough to drive me wacky.

Victoria

Ann 25-02-2003 12:03 PM

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animaux expounded:

Did you know about pelletized lime? You may not need that second app. if you
use it. I don't know about where you are, but it helped down on Long Island.
Completely different conditions, I'm aware.


I haven't heard good stuf about that pelletized lime, we were told not
to use it in an organic veggie garden, and I don't mind the white
stuff, so I use that instead.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

Kara Tyson 25-02-2003 04:51 PM

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Of course! I am German, will I be forgiven?
Jana

________________
Ja...or it that Ya.

Kara

Phisherman 25-02-2003 06:40 PM

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:29:10 -0500, Ann wrote:

animaux expounded:

Did you know about pelletized lime? You may not need that second app. if you
use it. I don't know about where you are, but it helped down on Long Island.
Completely different conditions, I'm aware.


I haven't heard good stuf about that pelletized lime, we were told not
to use it in an organic veggie garden, and I don't mind the white
stuff, so I use that instead.


The fine white powdery stuff works just as well as the pelletized.
But, the white powder is quite messy and easily inhaled. The
pelletized stuff (for the lawn) distributes well in a broadcast
spreader.


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