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Garlic/onion frost damage
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent over. Will they recover or will I need to replant again? Ed (Herts, UK) |
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Ed ex@directory wrote:
Will they recover or will I need to replant again? The garlic will likely recover, though perhaps at some energy and size cost. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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"Ed" wrote With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent over. Will they recover or will I need to replant again? Your garlic will recover unlike ours which has had the tops all eaten off!! -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote:
Your garlic will recover unlike ours which has had the tops all eaten off!! Yikes! What kind of wildlife eats garlic tops? Here, the deer will eat the leftover Brussels Sprout plants, and any leeks I've left in the ground, but they're not their first choice. Kale, on the other hand.... Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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"Gary Woods" wrote after "Bob Hobden" moaned on... Your garlic will recover unlike ours which has had the tops all eaten off!! Yikes! What kind of wildlife eats garlic tops? Here, the deer will eat the leftover Brussels Sprout plants, and any leeks I've left in the ground, but they're not their first choice. Kale, on the other hand.... We have never ever had anything damage our Garlic before and thought them impervious to attack, not this year. The first tops to show all disappeared within a few days and I can see where they have been eaten off. A few late developers are coming up again and I've put a couple of rodent bait boxes out to try to kill the culprits. Last thing we want is rodents getting a taste for garlic! -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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Ed wrote:
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent over. Will they recover or will I need to replant again? Ed (Herts, UK) Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. |
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On Nov 2, 10:12*am, Sheldon wrote:
Ed wrote: With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent over. Will they recover or will I need to replant again? Ed (Herts, UK) Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. BALONEY, you get growth until the ground is frozen hard, how many garlic crops have you brought to market? The original poster should have no problems but should monitor his crop a bit earlier than normal harvest by using a few plants so he can time everything before the cloves open. If you have extra stock go ahead and plant right up until the ground is hard. |
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beecrofter wrote:
BALONEY, you get growth until the ground is frozen hard, how many garlic crops have you brought to market? The conventional wisdom here is that garlic should be planted 6-8 weeks before ground frost, so the roots get well established before the ground freezes hard, preventing the cloves from getting heaved up during thaw/freeze cycles. To that end, a light mulch after things have started to freeze is a Good Thing. I'm happier if I get little or now _top_ growth before the freeze, since that gets damaged and costs the cloves energy better spent the next spring. Full disclosu I am NOT a commercial grower; only a somewhat obsessed amateur. I grow something around a hundred pounds of garlic, using what my Sweetie and I don't eat to donate, trade, etc. I'm in the Northeastern U.S.; conditions elsewhere vary. Mine certainly do! Yours in bad breath, Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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"beecrofter" wrote
On Nov 2, 10:12 am, Sheldon wrote: Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. BALONEY, you get growth until the ground is frozen hard, [...] for a strong start, plant 4 to 6 weeks before the ground freezes. do NOT cold store or plant cold stored cloves, it will cause the clove to sprout prematurely, before it establishes good roots. This is trouble because it allows winter heaving. And no, properly planted and cared for garlic usually does not sprout or grow much green until a warm spell during winter. And then when it does, it's time for a high nitrogen feed, followed by several more through May. (experienced in zone 5/6). how many garlic crops have you brought to market? prolly more than years you've trekked Terra Firma a couple of fun places to visit & learn: http://thegarlicstore.com/ZenCart/Index.php http://www.gourmetgarlicgardens.com/boutique.htm For a wide selection of planting stock, check back about June to order Steve Young |
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"Sheldon" wrote Ed wrote: With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent over. Will they recover or will I need to replant again? Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" wrote: Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic. Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it sprouts. If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are established. Not a good thing. Steve Young |
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"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote "Sheldon" �wrote: Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at all. �There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic. Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it sprouts. If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an unusually large number may sprout. �Here in NE Ohio probably less than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. �What confounds this timetable is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are established. Not a good thing. Steve Young Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant planting very recently, like now, as in this fall. I don't grow garlic anymore (used to), haven't for like five years now because my next door neighbor grows garlic and onions in great quantity, like 500 pounds of each, he supplies the entire neighborhood and attends the local garlic festivals. I used to grow garlic in sets of 100, not a lot but was more than enough for me and to share. I only take like 6-10 heads from my neighbor because I don't use it up fast enough and it's a shame to let it rot, but I take 20 pounds of red and yellow onions and 20 pounds of his spuds, russets and Yukon golds. Anyway, my neighbor is a real garlic maven, he has quite an operation, grown in very neat raised beds filled with soil he is constantly amending with all sorts of composted manures, leaves, and a huge variety of plant waste. I've learned a lot more about garlic growing from him than I already knew. One thing he is very careful about is watching the weather (I assume all agri people do) so he'll know the most advantageous time to plant. He waits until we've had a few light frosts and then plants as close as he can to four weeks prior to the first hard frost. He mulches heavily with straw (about 8") that's held down from wind with plastic deer fencing, which also keeps birds off. He already has his garlic planted, this is the sixth season since I've lived here and I've never seen any of his garlic sprout before spring... you can set your clock on its sprouting because it sends up green on the same day as daffodils. I don't know about growing garlic in warm climes but here in NY's northern Catskill region (zone 5/6) if garlic is planted too early prior to the first hard frost it will sprout, and if sunlight can get to the sprouts it will grow very rapidly, especially if there're a few day's warm spell. I have a clear view of his garlic bed from my window as I sit he http://i36.tinypic.com/14lmx7b.jpg A little far, let's try with tele: http://i36.tinypic.com/wit2s8.jpg |
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"Steve Young" wrote "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sheldon" wrote: Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic. Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it sprouts. If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are established. Not a good thing. To Steve and Sheldon. This is a UK newsgroup and over here we don't get your sort of winters, this is a maritime climate not a continental type climate so we get perhaps a frost then some rain them some sun and the temperature goes up so you work in your shirt. Sometimes in a week sometimes all that in one day. So any garlic planted in the autumn will sprout in a UK garden and in most winters will continue to grow through the winter. To get garlic to sprout in the spring over here you would have to plant in the spring. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote:
To Steve and Sheldon. �This is a UK newsgroup Actually this thread was CROSSPOSTED to three different Newsgroups (uk.rec.gardening, rec.gardens, rec.gardens.edible). Usenet is international, but had the OP wanted to keep his query UK sensitive he should not have crossposted. And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie. |
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Sheldon wrote:
And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie. On behalf of U.S. gardeners not too far north of Sheldon, I wish to apologise. People ought not to AssUMe. I did notice the crossposting, though most of the information is international. The climate in the UK is _different_ than mine, which I'll have pointed out in February when you folks have spring flowers, and I'm on first-name terms with the fuel oil delivery man! FWIW, my garlic sprouts at the same time as the crocus, though I will be using some hay mulch this winter, which will likely delay it a bit. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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On Nov 3, 3:13�pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum speak for Hertfordshire. It's actually the normal accepted short version, even the Queen would use.. The Queen is a local. Blue blooded is no recommendation of noble mindedness... one can buy dogs with papers still gotta walk em. The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles... that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an address, but a bit more specificity would help. �It's only southern England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as cold and snowy as NY's Catskills. Not true, we are a Maritime climate you are a Continental type climate, totally different. Our climate is governed by the seas around us, yours by the land around you. The effect is your winter comes, stays for a few months then goes and spring comes... ours changes constantly and is all mixed up. �Whilst it is colder the further North one travels it's still not constant like your weather and even then there are exceptions like the effect of the warm Gulf Stream on the West of Scotland. It's why we don't talk in zones. Coastal US weather is governed by the seas same as the UK... you're grasping, obviously. |
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On 03/11/08 15:33, Sheldon wrote:
"Steve Young" wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sheldon" �wrote: Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at all. �There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic. Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it sprouts. If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an unusually large number may sprout. �Here in NE Ohio probably less than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. �What confounds this timetable is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are established. Not a good thing. Steve Young Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant planting very recently, like now, as in this fall. Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. Ed (Herts, UK) |
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On 03/11/08 19:53, Sheldon wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:42�am, mleblanca wrote: On Nov 2, 3:19 am, Ed ex@directory wrote: With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent over. Will they recover or will I need to replant again? Ed (Herts, UK) If you look right up there, indeed the poster did give a locale. What do want? his mailing address???? Emilie Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum speak for Hertfordshire. The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles... that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an address, but a bit more specificity would help. It's only southern England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as cold and snowy as NY's Catskills. No, no..... "Herts" is NOT slum speak. It is the official abbreviation given by the Post Office and Royal Mail for the county of Hertfordshire in SE England. Also, the UK does not include Ireland ( aka the Republic of Ireland). But does include the province of Northen Ireland. But what the heck are the Isles? But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we experienced last week. Ed (Herts, UK) |
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Ed ex@directory wrote:
But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. It matters, but not hugely. The cloves will have wasted energy producing tops that get damaged. Unless the damage is so severe/frequent that the cloves run out of stored food, you'll still get a crop, albeit reduced somewhat. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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Ed ex@directory wrote:
But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we experienced last week. Welcome to a most interesting digression. Conversations are often like that! Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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sometime in the recent past Sheldon posted this:
On Nov 3, 3:13�pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Sheldon" wrote Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum speak for Hertfordshire. It's actually the normal accepted short version, even the Queen would use. The Queen is a local. Blue blooded is no recommendation of noble mindedness... one can buy dogs with papers still gotta walk em. The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles... that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an address, but a bit more specificity would help. �It's only southern England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as cold and snowy as NY's Catskills. Not true, we are a Maritime climate you are a Continental type climate, totally different. Our climate is governed by the seas around us, yours by the land around you. The effect is your winter comes, stays for a few months then goes and spring comes... ours changes constantly and is all mixed up. �Whilst it is colder the further North one travels it's still not constant like your weather and even then there are exceptions like the effect of the warm Gulf Stream on the West of Scotland. It's why we don't talk in zones. Coastal US weather is governed by the seas same as the UK... you're grasping, obviously. Sheldon, you're busting balls *and* 'grasping,' as usual for anything that makes you seem informed while you point out the opposite very well. "The Queen is a local?" - what the hell does that mean? Never mind, I don't think I need a better look at the inner workings of your mind. If you didn't get 'Herts' you should have gotten 'UK' but then you'd have one less opportunity to quibble over a pointless point. And you don't understand the great difference between having a coastline and being a relatively small land mass surrounded by the sea. I live on the coast of Maine, but expect sub-zero temperatures every winter. While my climate is moderated by the ocean, move 10 miles inland and it all changes. There, the summer is warmer, but the winter is colder. To anyone else, here's an url I found while looking up garlic-ing that I thought was helpful for my Zone 4 gardening. http://www.snellfamilyfarm.com/garlic.html Sorry for the continued cross-posting. Cheers. -- Wilson N44º39" W67º12" |
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On Nov 4, 5:08�am, Ed ex@directory wrote:
On 03/11/08 15:33, Sheldon wrote: "Steve Young" wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote "Sheldon" wrote: Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the early cold/snow may be a gift. Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic. Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it sprouts. If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are established. Not a good thing. Steve Young Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant planting very recently, like now, as in this fall. Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants... it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible for idiots to learn. It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses they wish. Cheerio and all that... |
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"Sheldon" wrote Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants... it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible for idiots to learn. It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses they wish. Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has no relevance for the UK and the OP at all. Then you persist in blaming everyone else and twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post you confirm my thoughts about you. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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On 04/11/08 17:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants... it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English. There is no problem in cross posting. It's a great way of getting informed opinion and experience across the board. And hey, Hertfordshire is no slum.. Its a rich county outside of London. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible for idiots to learn. It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses they wish. Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has no relevance for the UK and the OP at all. Then you persist in blaming everyone else and twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post you confirm my thoughts about you. |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote:
Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. The only ignorance is in if one desires to keep it pure UK is DON'T CROSSPOST. I got yer UK... GO ****ITH THYSELF! G Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . |
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Sheldon wrote:
I got yer UK... Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me. Shields up.. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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Gary Woods wrote:
Sheldon wrote: I got yer UK... Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me. Shields up.. Sometimes so do mine me . Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G Looks like we're neighbors. |
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Sheldon wrote:
Gary Woods wrote: Sheldon wrote: I got yer UK... Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me. Shields up.. Sometimes so do mine me . Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G Looks like we're neighbors. Hide, Gary! My garlic has sprouted, which in my blissful ignorance I'm pleased about. In the past it has usually died back in the winter to sprout anew in the spring, but the last 2 winters have been warm enough that it never died back. I don't get store bought sized heads, but it sure is good. (Of course, I also get tator tots when I grown potatoes, unless I plant them in planters. Kate - limestone country, TN |
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kate wrote:
Hide, Gary! I've done the next best thing. My garlic has sprouted, which in my blissful ignorance I'm pleased about. In the past it has usually died back in the winter to sprout anew in the spring, but the last 2 winters have been warm enough that it never died back. I don't get store bought sized heads, but it sure is good. If you give it a good shot of N while the foliage is growing in early spring, plus potash when the bulbs are forming, you'll likely do better. Of course, smaller garlic tends to be more pungent as well as store better, so unless you really think size matters, why bother? My pride was wounded a bit this weekend: Some folks came up to get stuff I'd put on Craig's list (two ....erm... mature households merging have a LOT of extra "stuff!"), and noticing my email (think garygarlic in the first part), brought a nice bulb of "music" they'd grown. Fully twice the size of mine. Oh, well... as the Senators fans used to say, "Wait 'til next year." Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
Garlic/onion frost damage
Gary Woods wrote:
kate wrote: Hide, Gary! I've done the next best thing. My garlic has sprouted, which in my blissful ignorance I'm pleased about. In the past it has usually died back in the winter to sprout anew in the spring, but the last 2 winters have been warm enough that it never died back. I don't get store bought sized heads, but it sure is good. If you give it a good shot of N while the foliage is growing in early spring, plus potash when the bulbs are forming, you'll likely do better. Of course, smaller garlic tends to be more pungent as well as store better, so unless you really think size matters, why bother? My pride was wounded a bit this weekend: Some folks came up to get stuff I'd put on Craig's list (two ....erm... mature households merging have a LOT of extra "stuff!"), and noticing my email (think garygarlic in the first part), brought a nice bulb of "music" they'd grown. Fully twice the size of mine. Oh, well... as the Senators fans used to say, "Wait 'til next year." One of the best parts of gardening - next year. I sold at a small farmers market for a few years but would never take my garlic - MINE! All mine! One farmer sold elephant garlic - huge things, but it aappeared to only have one clove? For fertilizing, I tend to stick with compost and manure and/or herbal teas. I tried to cure tomato blight with garlic tea one year - didn't work entirely, but I had tomatoes to sell into August so who knows? Kate |
Garlic/onion frost damage
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"Bob Hobden" wrote: "Sheldon" wrote Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants... it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible for idiots to learn. It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses they wish. Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has no relevance for the UK and the OP at all. Then you persist in blaming everyone else and twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post you confirm my thoughts about you. I apologize. Shelly really isn't one of us. He would rather be a jack booted Israeli chasing Palestinian children around with a tank. If you want to come and take him and give him a good hiding, we will all understand. Sincerely yours, -- Billy Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net |
Garlic/onion frost damage
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, Sheldon wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote: Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. The only ignorance is in if one desires to keep it pure UK is DON'T CROSSPOST. I got yer UK... GO ****ITH THYSELF! G Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . Your right Bob. Shelly has several screws loose. He really needs some nice padded accommodations. -- Billy Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net |
Garlic/onion frost damage
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Gary Woods wrote: Sheldon wrote: I got yer UK... Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me. Shields up.. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G It only gets worse if your name is Christian. ------- From: Sheldon Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: I would like some feedback.. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) I'm thinking people here are close to my target audience, being that garden lovers usually like ponds even if they don't personally have one. Thank You, Christian Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your name. ------- Shelly is really an embarrassment to sane people everywhere. -- Billy Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net |
Garlic/onion frost damage
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, Billy wrote: In article , "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Sheldon" wrote Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants... it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible for idiots to learn. It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses they wish. Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has no relevance for the UK and the OP at all. Then you persist in blaming everyone else and twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post you confirm my thoughts about you. I apologize. Shelly really isn't one of us. He would rather be a jack booted Israeli chasing Palestinian children around with a tank. If you want to come and take him and give him a good hiding, we will all understand. Sincerely yours, Watch out. He has 6 attack cats to defend him!!! -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
Garlic/onion frost damage
Hi All.
I do not think I will grow Garlic any more as it seems far to complicated. Richard M. Watkin. "Omelet" wrote in message ... In article , Billy wrote: In article , "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Sheldon" wrote Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK. You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants... it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English. And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in. Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent over with snow and ice. Will they recover. And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible for idiots to learn. It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses they wish. Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has no relevance for the UK and the OP at all. Then you persist in blaming everyone else and twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post you confirm my thoughts about you. I apologize. Shelly really isn't one of us. He would rather be a jack booted Israeli chasing Palestinian children around with a tank. If you want to come and take him and give him a good hiding, we will all understand. Sincerely yours, Watch out. He has 6 attack cats to defend him!!! -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
Garlic/onion frost damage
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"R M Watkin" wrote: Hi All. I do not think I will grow Garlic any more as it seems far to complicated. Richard M. Watkin. I do hope you are pulling our leg... -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
Garlic/onion frost damage
"kate" wrote... One of the best parts of gardening - next year. I sold at a small farmers market for a few years but would never take my garlic - MINE! All mine! One farmer sold elephant garlic - huge things, but it aappeared to only have one clove? Elephant Garlic is actually related to Leeks and isn't a true Garlic, the taste is not that of true Garlic either IMO. Mind you some years ago whilst in Cyprus we came across enormous true Garlic being sold in the market, wish I'd bought some to try here in the UK but it probably wouldn't have done well. For fertilizing, I tend to stick with compost and manure and/or herbal teas. I tried to cure tomato blight with garlic tea one year - didn't work entirely, but I had tomatoes to sell into August so who knows? We use Bordeaux Mixture sprayed on our plants to ward off the Blight, works well provided you keep it topped up if it rains hard for a few days and is easily washed off the fruit before use. Most of our Tomatoes are used for cooking so are skinned anyway. We picked our last outdoor Tomatoes on Sunday, amazingly late, after the plants were killed by a frost. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
Garlic/onion frost damage
"kate" wrote
Gary Woods wrote: [...] Oh, well... as the Senators fans used to say, "Wait 'til next year." One of the best parts of gardening - next year. *amen!* [...] For fertilizing, I tend to stick with compost and manure and/or herbal teas. I tried to cure tomato blight with garlic tea one year - didn't work entirely, but I had tomatoes to sell into August so who knows? Kate, something I've experimented with on the tomato blight, with great success, is spraying the foliage/plant with ionic silver. A human friendly, and very potent fungicide. I believe if I'm consistent with applications, I might be able to get it knocked down almost entirely. Though before you think, *oh my*, 30$ a gallon spraying 30 plants at about 2 gallons an application, check this out for ionic silver, (at about a dollar a gallon). It's the Collgen2 I use to make a 6 PPM solution. http://www.health2us.com/colloid.htm Fred Peschel has really designed an impressive little unit that works a treat and is not unreasonably expensive. I also use the silver to treat a well and it is 100% effective at eliminating bacteria in the water system. Ionic silver is a real cure. Steve Young |
Garlic/onion frost damage
Steve Young wrote:
"kate" wrote Gary Woods wrote: [...] Oh, well... as the Senators fans used to say, "Wait 'til next year." One of the best parts of gardening - next year. *amen!* [...] For fertilizing, I tend to stick with compost and manure and/or herbal teas. I tried to cure tomato blight with garlic tea one year - didn't work entirely, but I had tomatoes to sell into August so who knows? Kate, something I've experimented with on the tomato blight, with great success, is spraying the foliage/plant with ionic silver. A human friendly, and very potent fungicide. I believe if I'm consistent with applications, I might be able to get it knocked down almost entirely. Though before you think, *oh my*, 30$ a gallon spraying 30 plants at about 2 gallons an application, check this out for ionic silver, (at about a dollar a gallon). It's the Collgen2 I use to make a 6 PPM solution. http://www.health2us.com/colloid.htm Fred Peschel has really designed an impressive little unit that works a treat and is not unreasonably expensive. I also use the silver to treat a well and it is 100% effective at eliminating bacteria in the water system. Ionic silver is a real cure. Steve Young Thanks fr the idea, Steve. Maybe I'll get the starter bottle for next season and see how it does before I make the bigger investment. I was planning on letting the tomato crop rest a year but maybe...have you tried treating the soil itself so would that be basicly polluting the soil? Kate |
Garlic/onion frost damage
"kate" wrote
Steve Young wrote: "kate" wrote For fertilizing, I tend to stick with compost and manure and/or herbal teas. I tried to cure tomato blight with garlic tea one year - didn't work entirely, but I had tomatoes to sell into August so who knows? Kate, something I've experimented with on the tomato blight, with great success, is spraying the foliage/plant with ionic silver. A human friendly, and very potent fungicide. I believe if I'm consistent with applications, I might be able to get it knocked down almost entirely. Though before you think, *oh my*, 30$ a gallon spraying 30 plants at about 2 gallons an application, check this out for ionic silver, (at about a dollar a gallon). It's the Collgen2 I use to make a 6 PPM solution. http://www.health2us.com/colloid.htm Fred Peschel has really designed an impressive little unit that works a treat and is not unreasonably expensive. I also use the silver to treat a well and it is 100% effective at eliminating bacteria in the water system. Ionic silver is a real cure. Thanks fr the idea, Steve. Maybe I'll get the starter bottle for next season and see how it does before I make the bigger investment. Basically Kate, I wanted to throw out the idea because tomato blight is a real heart breaker when you have a really nice crop coming along and you see the fungus beginning to consume the plants. I know there are several chemical treatments, but I and others here are trying to minimize chemical use, if not eliminate it all together. I've noted you subscribe to this interest as well. You might have noticed that the site I linked also discusses ionic silver and health. That's actually how I came to learn of this product, and then discovered its benefits in agriculture and as a well water disinfectant. ... course I began dabbling with it. For many years we had a stinkin ole well that only reacted to chlorine shocks and then only for a short time before the the bacteria would return. Each time it would be worse than it was before. I guess it was because the well had been neglected many years before I moved here. After about 2 years of silver treatment, our water is some of the freshest smelling and tasting mineral water around. I feel silver got right down to the root of the problem and knocked it out. I do continue a regular maintenance amount. I was planning on letting the tomato crop rest a year but maybe...have you tried treating the soil itself so would that be basicly polluting the soil? The sad thing about the blight is that the disease will live in the soil for many years before it finally dies. I think I've read 7 or 8. So yes, you're right that killing it in the soil, where it lives, would be advantageous. However, it's hard to imagine even 1 or 2 years without tomatoes, let alone 7 or 8. Moving the planting around to different parts of the garden will help, but I don't have 8 separated spaces large enough :( No, ionic silver at 6 PPM would not effect the soil with any harmful contamination, ... *except* that it may kill soil microbes as well as the funguses. Soil microbes are efficient microbes (EM) when it comes to delivering minerals to the plants. Composting generates many of these microbes naturally from a varied feedstock. I wonder if one could, in the fall, spray a couple gallons on an infected area and till it in. Then in the early spring work in a good load of compost. Here's an EM jump start if one desired : http://www.scdworld.com/shop/product...duct_id=040101 If you'd like to try ionic silver, I'd be happy to make up a few gallons for you and several requesters, for the cost of shipping from NE Ohio. Anyone interested, un-munge my email and send me a hey. I'll do a dozen or 2 gallons. Steve Young |
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