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Dumb Illegal Workers At It Again? RAW ALFALFA SPROUTS LINKED TO SALMONELLA CONTAMINATION
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Liberal Clown Show
wrote: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2009/NEW02001.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 26, 2009 Media Inquiries: Michael Herndon, 301-796-4673 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA RAW ALFALFA SPROUTS LINKED TO SALMONELLA CONTAMINATION The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today recommended that consumers not eat raw alfalfa sprouts, including sprout blends containing alfalfa sprouts, until further notice because the product has been linked to Salmonella serotype Saintpaul contamination. Other types of sprouts have not been implicated at this time. The investigation indicates that the problem may be linked to contamination of seeds for alfalfa sprouts. Because suspect lots of seeds may be sold around the country and may account for a large proportion of the alfalfa seeds currently being used by sprout growers, and cases of illness are spread across multiple states, FDA and CDC are issuing this general advisory. FDA will work with the alfalfa sprout industry to help identify which seeds and alfalfa sprouts are not connected with this contamination, so that this advisory can be changed as quickly as possible. CDC, FDA and six State and local authorities have associated this outbreak with eating raw alfalfa sprouts. Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, and West Virginia have reported 31 cases of illness with the outbreak strain of Salmonella Saintpaul to CDC. Most of those who became ill reported eating raw alfalfa sprouts. Some reported eating raw sprouts at restaurants; others reported purchasing the raw sprouts at the retail level. The illnesses began in mid-March. Cases are still being reported, and possible cases are in various stages of laboratory testing, so illnesses may appear in other states. No deaths have been reported. The number of infected people may be higher than currently reported because some illnesses have not yet been confirmed with laboratory testing. The CDC and FDA recommend at all times that persons at high risk for complications, such as the elderly, young children, and those with compromised immune systems, not eat raw sprouts because of the risk of contamination with Salmonella or other bacteria. Salmonella is an organism that can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people, and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy individuals infected with Salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (which may be bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. In rare circumstances, infection with Salmonella can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and producing more severe illnesses, such as meningitis and bone infections. Initial investigation results trace the contaminated raw alfalfa sprouts to multiple sprout growers in multiple states. This suggests a potential problem with the seeds used, as well as the possible failure of the sprout growers involved to appropriately and consistently follow the FDA Sprout Guidance issued in 1999 http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/sprougd1.html. The guidance recommends an effective seed disinfection treatment immediately before the start of sprouting (such as treating seed in 20,000 parts per million Calcium hypochlorite solution with agitation for 15 minutes) and regularly testing the water used for every batch of sprouts for Salmonella and E coli O157:H7 contamination. This outbreak appears to be an extension of an earlier outbreak in 2009. In February and March, an outbreak of Salmonella Saintpaul infections occurred in Nebraska, South Dakota, Iowa, Kansas, and Minnesota. This outbreak was linked to raw alfalfa sprouts, and the outbreak strain was indistinguishable from that of these recently reported cases. A separate outbreak of Listeria monocytogenes infections was also linked to sprouts in 2009. In the 1990s, a number of outbreaks related to sprouts led FDA to issue its guidance. Experience over the past decade has shown that the likelihood of Salmonella in sprouts can be minimized when recommendations from FDA’s Sprout Guidance are followed. Preventive controls are very important in the growing of all raw sprouts. FDA reminds sprout growers to be vigilant in their food safety practices and strongly encourages sprout growers to follow the Agency’s Sprout Guidance. Additionally, the United Fresh Produce Association has advised all of its members to follow FDA’s guidance on sprouts. FDA appreciates that the produce industry has reinforced this message and reminds retailers that it is prudent to sell sprouts from growers who follow FDA's recommendations. For persons who continue to eat sprouts, visit (U.S. Food and Drug Administration, 2002 consumer advisory, available at http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/tpsprout.html). For more information on food safety, visit www.fda.gov . Sealing the border and deportation of all illegal aliens is needed. ted |
Dumb Illegal Workers At It Again? RAW ALFALFA SPROUTS LINKED TO SALMONELLA CONTAMINATION
"Jangchub" wrote in message
... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." That's one. I want 100. |
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On Apr 29, 10:06*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? *The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? *Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." *That's one. I want 100. There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. |
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On Apr 29, 10:06*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? *The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? *Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." *That's one. I want 100. I have to apologize for my previous post, in which I said that some people are lazy. I know that there are many hard-working citizens of this country who do not believe that anyone should enter this country illegally. I should not have attacked them for their views, simply because I disagreed. Further, I apologize for replying to a troll thread, even if other people already replied to it, and also for making so many off-topic posts in the ng today. |
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On Apr 29, 8:06*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? *The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? *Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." *That's one. I want 100. We managed to harvest the crops during WW2 with over 2,000,000 in uniform. Get rid of the illegals and the crops will be picked. Farmers will pay more for labor but the overall societal benefit will be tremendous. en |
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... On Apr 29, 8:06 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." That's one. I want 100. We managed to harvest the crops during WW2 with over 2,000,000 in uniform. Get rid of the illegals and the crops will be picked. Farmers will pay more for labor but the overall societal benefit will be tremendous. en ==================== You'll need to change the law so that citizens can be FORCED to take certain kinds of jobs. Bill Clinton had an interesting idea: Offer juicy educational benefits for young people who do the crap jobs normally done by immigrants (legal or illegal). The idea fizzled. He was probably preoccupied by the fake saints and their blowjob investigation. |
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"Mycosimian" wrote in message
... On Apr 29, 10:06 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." That's one. I want 100. There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. ============= Exactly. There's also "You just sprayed WHAT on this field???" |
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, Mycosimian wrote: On Apr 29, 10:06*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? *The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? *Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." *That's one. I want 100. There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. On the other hand, people who look like you don't give a rat's ass about this country and will send the dirty work to cheaper suppliers or bring in greencard slaves who have to work for less because they can't shop their skills around. Ideas that have been created at national expense in our universities find home in exploiting foreign labor. Why are we all rushing to the bottom of the barrel, instead of insisting on workers rights that exist in Europe? European workers are being told that they must compete with over worked Americans. Why don't we insist on being given the benefits that European workers have (five weeks paid vacation, health care, maternity leave with pay, a day to clean the grave of a loved ones). Until a few years back, every forth year, Germans were given a week to recuperate from their excesses at a spa. Hello, Protestant America, denial of the flesh doesn't lead to salvation. Quite the opposite. And stop using this white racists subject line, it defiles us all. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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On Apr 30, 12:22*am, Billy wrote:
In article , *Mycosimian wrote: On Apr 29, 10:06*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message .. . As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? *The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? *Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." *That's one. I want 100. There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. On the other hand, people who look like you don't give a rat's ass about this country and will send the dirty work to cheaper suppliers or bring in greencard slaves who have to work for less because they can't shop their skills around. Ideas that have been created at national expense in our universities find home in exploiting foreign labor. Why are we all rushing to the bottom of the barrel, instead of insisting on workers rights that exist in Europe? European workers are being told that they must compete with over worked Americans. Why don't we insist on being given the benefits that European workers have (five weeks paid vacation, health care, maternity leave with pay, a day to clean the grave of a loved ones). Until a few years back, every forth year, Germans were given a week to recuperate from their excesses at a spa. Hello, Protestant America, denial of the flesh doesn't lead to salvation. Quite the opposite. And stop using this white racists subject line, it defiles us all. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." *- Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html Oh you totally got me pegged. I just fit right into your mold. |
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On Apr 30, 12:22*am, Billy wrote:
.... On the other hand, people who look like you don't give a rat's ass about this country and will send the dirty work to cheaper suppliers or bring in greencard slaves who have to work for less because they can't shop their skills around. Ideas that have been created at national expense in our universities find home in exploiting foreign labor. Why are we all .... All of my rat asses are reserved for those who really need them. In some places they are the only available food source. Like, probably that place where Dell shipped 8,000 jobs recently. Sorry over-priced USians, you can always pick lettuce. |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT), Mycosimian wrote: There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. Companies like Dell Inc. which made many tax incentives in Texas and the minute those incentives expired, instead of giving back they shipped 8,000 jobs out to India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, etc. My husand who did get his five weeks vacation, seniority and the rest were all cast aside like cattle to the slaughter house. Deregulation is what is ruining this country and I hope under the new administration we will cancel a lot of what the last administration did to the country. After eight years this country is 13 trillion dollars in debt, mostly to China. We better pray they don't make the margin call, oh great gamblers of the last presidency. Victoria So far Obama is on track to quadruple the National Debt in four years. If you bought into the Obama hype as a fiscal conservative then you were duped. If you ignore the amount of money he has budgeted in his first 100 days then you are a fool. It is not the deregulation that provides incentive for employers to go off shore. It is the tremendous regulation in this country. Foreign competitors don't have to abide by very many regulations. This must be opposite day. |
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On Apr 30, 7:46*am, Mycosimian wrote:
On Apr 30, 12:22*am, Billy wrote: ... On the other hand, people who look like you don't give a rat's ass about this country and will send the dirty work to cheaper suppliers or bring in greencard slaves who have to work for less because they can't shop their skills around. Ideas that have been created at national expense in our universities find home in exploiting foreign labor. Why are we all ... All of my rat asses are reserved for those who really need them. In some places they are the only available food source. Like, probably that place where Dell shipped 8,000 jobs recently. Sorry over-priced USians, you can always pick lettuce. Geeze, there I go again. I'll eventually get the hang of this. |
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"The moderator" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT), Mycosimian wrote: There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. Companies like Dell Inc. which made many tax incentives in Texas and the minute those incentives expired, instead of giving back they shipped 8,000 jobs out to India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, etc. My husand who did get his five weeks vacation, seniority and the rest were all cast aside like cattle to the slaughter house. Deregulation is what is ruining this country and I hope under the new administration we will cancel a lot of what the last administration did to the country. After eight years this country is 13 trillion dollars in debt, mostly to China. We better pray they don't make the margin call, oh great gamblers of the last presidency. Victoria So far Obama is on track to quadruple the National Debt in four years. If you bought into the Obama hype as a fiscal conservative then you were duped. If you ignore the amount of money he has budgeted in his first 100 days then you are a fool. It is not the deregulation that provides incentive for employers to go off shore. It is the tremendous regulation in this country. Foreign competitors don't have to abide by very many regulations. This must be opposite day. You are so profoundly, egregiously wrong, but that wouldn't interfere with you adding fecundity to a garden as compost. From Reagan's "It's morning again in America.", to Gingrich's Contract on America, to "suuuuue wiiii pig, pig, pig" from "The Worst President Ever" standing next to the American, fiscal trough, deregulation is what America's politicians have been paid to do and they have done it to our detriment. To bring up that particular mantra now, after being responsible for a world wide financial collapse is like suggesting we put out a fire with gasoline. I don't like the President's approach on Shrub's vanity wars or his response to our economic problems, otherwise he seems to be doing a fine job. But blaming the President, barely 100 days in office, for the last eight years of chicanery and theft is contemptuous. And to continue the subject line of a white-power racist, puts you beneath contempt, but that is probably where your sympathies lie. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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"Billy" wrote in message
... In article , "The moderator" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT), Mycosimian wrote: There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. Companies like Dell Inc. which made many tax incentives in Texas and the minute those incentives expired, instead of giving back they shipped 8,000 jobs out to India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, etc. My husand who did get his five weeks vacation, seniority and the rest were all cast aside like cattle to the slaughter house. Deregulation is what is ruining this country and I hope under the new administration we will cancel a lot of what the last administration did to the country. After eight years this country is 13 trillion dollars in debt, mostly to China. We better pray they don't make the margin call, oh great gamblers of the last presidency. Victoria So far Obama is on track to quadruple the National Debt in four years. If you bought into the Obama hype as a fiscal conservative then you were duped. If you ignore the amount of money he has budgeted in his first 100 days then you are a fool. It is not the deregulation that provides incentive for employers to go off shore. It is the tremendous regulation in this country. Foreign competitors don't have to abide by very many regulations. This must be opposite day. You are so profoundly, egregiously wrong, but that wouldn't interfere with you adding fecundity to a garden as compost. From Reagan's "It's morning again in America.", to Gingrich's Contract on America, to "suuuuue wiiii pig, pig, pig" from "The Worst President Ever" standing next to the American, fiscal trough, deregulation is what America's politicians have been paid to do and they have done it to our detriment. To bring up that particular mantra now, after being responsible for a world wide financial collapse is like suggesting we put out a fire with gasoline. I don't like the President's approach on Shrub's vanity wars or his response to our economic problems, otherwise he seems to be doing a fine job. But blaming the President, barely 100 days in office, for the last eight years of chicanery and theft is contemptuous. And to continue the subject line of a white-power racist, puts you beneath contempt, but that is probably where your sympathies lie. In other news: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...anding-effort/ |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...h-rebranding-e ffort/ Now, if they could just find where they buried the body of "financial responsibility", they may be on to something. Prepping my garden by covering my rye grass with newspaper. Boy, has that become difficult. As news content disappears in the local fish wrap they have turned to color. It is getting difficult to get a dozen newsprint pages a day, and that's with tearing double pages in half. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "The moderator" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT), Mycosimian wrote: There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. Companies like Dell Inc. which made many tax incentives in Texas and the minute those incentives expired, instead of giving back they shipped 8,000 jobs out to India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, etc. My husand who did get his five weeks vacation, seniority and the rest were all cast aside like cattle to the slaughter house. Deregulation is what is ruining this country and I hope under the new administration we will cancel a lot of what the last administration did to the country. After eight years this country is 13 trillion dollars in debt, mostly to China. We better pray they don't make the margin call, oh great gamblers of the last presidency. Victoria So far Obama is on track to quadruple the National Debt in four years. If you bought into the Obama hype as a fiscal conservative then you were duped. If you ignore the amount of money he has budgeted in his first 100 days then you are a fool. It is not the deregulation that provides incentive for employers to go off shore. It is the tremendous regulation in this country. Foreign competitors don't have to abide by very many regulations. This must be opposite day. You are so profoundly, egregiously wrong, but that wouldn't interfere with you adding fecundity to a garden as compost. From Reagan's "It's morning again in America.", to Gingrich's Contract on America, to "suuuuue wiiii pig, pig, pig" from "The Worst President Ever" standing next to the American, fiscal trough, deregulation is what America's politicians have been paid to do and they have done it to our detriment. To bring up that particular mantra now, after being responsible for a world wide financial collapse is like suggesting we put out a fire with gasoline. I don't like the President's approach on Shrub's vanity wars or his response to our economic problems, otherwise he seems to be doing a fine job. But blaming the President, barely 100 days in office, for the last eight years of chicanery and theft is contemptuous. And to continue the subject line of a white-power racist, puts you beneath contempt, but that is probably where your sympathies lie. BDS is curable, but in your case it might be too late. I haven't heard a crazy screed like that since the election. If you think businesses are going offshore, because they want more regulation then you are uninformed. I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. |
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... I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. Do you think we should've let companies like AIG sink? |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "The moderator" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT), Mycosimian wrote: There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. Companies like Dell Inc. which made many tax incentives in Texas and the minute those incentives expired, instead of giving back they shipped 8,000 jobs out to India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, etc. My husand who did get his five weeks vacation, seniority and the rest were all cast aside like cattle to the slaughter house. Deregulation is what is ruining this country and I hope under the new administration we will cancel a lot of what the last administration did to the country. After eight years this country is 13 trillion dollars in debt, mostly to China. We better pray they don't make the margin call, oh great gamblers of the last presidency. Victoria So far Obama is on track to quadruple the National Debt in four years. If you bought into the Obama hype as a fiscal conservative then you were duped. If you ignore the amount of money he has budgeted in his first 100 days then you are a fool. It is not the deregulation that provides incentive for employers to go off shore. It is the tremendous regulation in this country. Foreign competitors don't have to abide by very many regulations. This must be opposite day. You are so profoundly, egregiously wrong, but that wouldn't interfere with you adding fecundity to a garden as compost. From Reagan's "It's morning again in America.", to Gingrich's Contract on America, to "suuuuue wiiii pig, pig, pig" from "The Worst President Ever" standing next to the American, fiscal trough, deregulation is what America's politicians have been paid to do and they have done it to our detriment. To bring up that particular mantra now, after being responsible for a world wide financial collapse is like suggesting we put out a fire with gasoline. I don't like the President's approach on Shrub's vanity wars or his response to our economic problems, otherwise he seems to be doing a fine job. But blaming the President, barely 100 days in office, for the last eight years of chicanery and theft is contemptuous. And to continue the subject line of a white-power racist, puts you beneath contempt, but that is probably where your sympathies lie. In other news: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...h-rebranding-e ffort/ Well this tread got me looking about for various definitions of just what Brand means. Is it just like with cattle or is more like an image with no substance. My definition of style reflects that there is no substance. Anyhow in the process I found Ivan Illich again for which I am grateful. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...%3Dstripbooks& field-keywords=ivan+illich+in+conversation&sprefix=Ivan+ illich A review from above URL 22 of 22 people found the following review helpful: 5.0 out of 5 stars Common Sense, April 10, 2005 By* Panopticonman "panopticonman" (Brooklyn, NY USA) - See all my reviews ** The New York Times has been of many minds about Ivan Illich, beginning with its review of "Deschooling Society" in 1971. According to The Times' December 4, 2002 obituary of Illich, the Times reviewer found the book to be "'a mind-bending litany of abstraction' and a distraction from schools' all too real problems." In that same year however, Anatole Broyard found Illich's critiques "illuminating." But this was apparently a burst of youthful enthusiasm, for twenty years later in 1989, Broyard repented his earlier endorsement of Illich: in an article about winnowing down his library he said he would "especially" discard Mr. Illich's works. It's not surprising Illich's project flummoxed the NYTimes. As progressive advocates of the modern project, and now the last outpost of bourgeoisie brownstone liberalism, the Times' promulgates a kind of idealist pragmatic middle ground where technocrats can dispassionately design and administer systems that will promote the Good and the Beautiful. Illich, on the other hand, ultimately rejected the modern project, whatever its political orientation, because he viewed it as inherently corrupt. In his earlier writings in the early 70s, such as TOOLS FOR CONVIVIALITY, he believed that it might be possible to stop, rethink and humanize mankind's relationship with man and the earth. But by the end of his life he saw that the modernist project could not be arrested in its destructive disenchantment of the earth and humankind. Bill who read TOOLS FOR CONVIVIALITY and believe the Chinese Ideal of a strong family paramount. Helpful if a few hands like to garden :)). -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Not all who wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973) |
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Bill wrote: In article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "The moderator" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT), Mycosimian wrote: There are people willing to do those jobs for those low wages because it is a hell of a lot better than lying down on the cold, hard earth and starving to death. I pretty sure that most of us here are lucky enough to have other options. Anyone willing to work should be allowed to go wherever there is work for them. People might argue that we are losing jobs in this country by the hundreds of thousands, but these are likely the same people who are too lazy to pick their own vegetables, wash their own dishes, and scrub their own toilets. Companies like Dell Inc. which made many tax incentives in Texas and the minute those incentives expired, instead of giving back they shipped 8,000 jobs out to India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, etc. My husand who did get his five weeks vacation, seniority and the rest were all cast aside like cattle to the slaughter house. Deregulation is what is ruining this country and I hope under the new administration we will cancel a lot of what the last administration did to the country. After eight years this country is 13 trillion dollars in debt, mostly to China. We better pray they don't make the margin call, oh great gamblers of the last presidency. Victoria So far Obama is on track to quadruple the National Debt in four years. If you bought into the Obama hype as a fiscal conservative then you were duped. If you ignore the amount of money he has budgeted in his first 100 days then you are a fool. It is not the deregulation that provides incentive for employers to go off shore. It is the tremendous regulation in this country. Foreign competitors don't have to abide by very many regulations. This must be opposite day. You are so profoundly, egregiously wrong, but that wouldn't interfere with you adding fecundity to a garden as compost. From Reagan's "It's morning again in America.", to Gingrich's Contract on America, to "suuuuue wiiii pig, pig, pig" from "The Worst President Ever" standing next to the American, fiscal trough, deregulation is what America's politicians have been paid to do and they have done it to our detriment. To bring up that particular mantra now, after being responsible for a world wide financial collapse is like suggesting we put out a fire with gasoline. I don't like the President's approach on Shrub's vanity wars or his response to our economic problems, otherwise he seems to be doing a fine job. But blaming the President, barely 100 days in office, for the last eight years of chicanery and theft is contemptuous. And to continue the subject line of a white-power racist, puts you beneath contempt, but that is probably where your sympathies lie. In other news: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nch-rebranding -e ffort/ Well this tread got me looking about for various definitions of just what Brand means. Is it just like with cattle or is more like an image with no substance. My definition of style reflects that there is no substance. Anyhow in the process I found Ivan Illich again for which I am grateful. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...%3Dstripbooks& field-keywords=ivan+illich+in+conversation&sprefix=Ivan+ illich A review from above URL 22 of 22 people found the following review helpful: 5.0 out of 5 stars Common Sense, April 10, 2005 By* Panopticonman "panopticonman" (Brooklyn, NY USA) - See all my reviews ** The New York Times has been of many minds about Ivan Illich, beginning with its review of "Deschooling Society" in 1971. According to The Times' December 4, 2002 obituary of Illich, the Times reviewer found the book to be "'a mind-bending litany of abstraction' and a distraction from schools' all too real problems." In that same year however, Anatole Broyard found Illich's critiques "illuminating." But this was apparently a burst of youthful enthusiasm, for twenty years later in 1989, Broyard repented his earlier endorsement of Illich: in an article about winnowing down his library he said he would "especially" discard Mr. Illich's works. It's not surprising Illich's project flummoxed the NYTimes. As progressive advocates of the modern project, and now the last outpost of bourgeoisie brownstone liberalism, the Times' promulgates a kind of idealist pragmatic middle ground where technocrats can dispassionately design and administer systems that will promote the Good and the Beautiful. Illich, on the other hand, ultimately rejected the modern project, whatever its political orientation, because he viewed it as inherently corrupt. In his earlier writings in the early 70s, such as TOOLS FOR CONVIVIALITY, he believed that it might be possible to stop, rethink and humanize mankind's relationship with man and the earth. But by the end of his life he saw that the modernist project could not be arrested in its destructive disenchantment of the earth and humankind. Bill who read TOOLS FOR CONVIVIALITY and believe the Chinese Ideal of a strong family paramount. Helpful if a few hands like to garden :)). Anything like Walden Two by B. F. Skinner http://www.amazon.com/Walden-Two-B-F...ref=sr_1_1?ie= UTF8&s=books&qid=1241122754&sr=1-1 t in the United States, it pictures a society in which human problems are solved by a scientific technology of human conduct. FROM THE PREFACE: It is now widely recognised that great changes must be made in the American way of life. Not only can we not face the rest of the world while consuming and polluting as we do, we cannot for long face ourselves while acknowledging the violence and chaos in which we live. The choice is clear: either we do nothing and allow a miserable and probably catastrophic future to overtake us, or we use our knowledge about human behaviour to create a social environment in which we shall live productive and creative lives and do so without jeopardising the chances that those who follow us will be able to do the same. Something like a Walden Two would not be a bad start. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "The moderator" wrote in message ... I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. Do you think we should've let companies like AIG sink? AIG is sunk. We have simply spent money to delay the inevitable. Chrysler on line one... Forget the bailout, Obama's 2010 budget is about 30% higher than President Bushes 2009 budget and Obama already added Billions to the 2009 budget. If President Bush spent too much Obama is spending what? Way too much?. Perhaps we should've let AIG sink. But here's an interesting question: In what way to some insurance companies contribute to liquidity in the credit market? |
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"The moderator" wrote: BDS is curable, but in your case it might be too late. I haven't heard a crazy screed like that since the election. If you think businesses are going offshore, because they want more regulation then you are uninformed. I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. BDS bwahahahahaha, a Bushite, that is to say, "part of the problem".No reason to go into the "squandered" money, militarization of our society, loss of civil rights, lost American prestige around the world by torturing. We already know that. See Rand Corp evaluation of of the "War on Terror": http://www.rand.org/news/press/2008/07/29/ A USA Today/Gallup pole says that 2/3 of Americans want Bush investigated. February 13, 2009 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/13/headlines#3 I am not alone. Bwahahahahahaha -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "The moderator" wrote in message ... I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. Do you think we should've let companies like AIG sink? Would have been nice, if they had set aside money for the insurance policies they wrote, instead of the 30 to 1 leverage position that they took. They should have been nationalized, claims paid and the top executives should have been fired and investigated. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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, Billy wrote: BDS is curable You mean, there is a cure for sanity? Not that you would even be on a nodding acquaintance with what it is. An inveterate, unapologetic Bushite, bwahahahaha (I really love to do that;O), bwahahahaha. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "The moderator" wrote: BDS is curable, but in your case it might be too late. I haven't heard a crazy screed like that since the election. If you think businesses are going offshore, because they want more regulation then you are uninformed. I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. BDS bwahahahahaha, a Bushite, that is to say, "part of the problem".No reason to go into the "squandered" money, militarization of our society, loss of civil rights, lost American prestige around the world by torturing. We already know that. See Rand Corp evaluation of of the "War on Terror": http://www.rand.org/news/press/2008/07/29/ A USA Today/Gallup pole says that 2/3 of Americans want Bush investigated. February 13, 2009 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/13/headlines#3 I am not alone. Bwahahahahahaha No, you are not alone. There are a lot of sheep :-) Bwahahahahaha |
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"The Moderator" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "The moderator" wrote: BDS is curable, but in your case it might be too late. I haven't heard a crazy screed like that since the election. If you think businesses are going offshore, because they want more regulation then you are uninformed. I didn't blame anything on Obama other than his own bloated budget and spending craze. BDS bwahahahahaha, a Bushite, that is to say, "part of the problem".No reason to go into the "squandered" money, militarization of our society, loss of civil rights, lost American prestige around the world by torturing. We already know that. See Rand Corp evaluation of of the "War on Terror": http://www.rand.org/news/press/2008/07/29/ A USA Today/Gallup pole says that 2/3 of Americans want Bush investigated. February 13, 2009 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/13/headlines#3 I am not alone. Bwahahahahahaha No, you are not alone. There are a lot of sheep :-) Bwahahahahaha Indeed, it appears a third of us are sheep. Do try to keep the baaaaing down, please. Now where did I put the mint jelly? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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... I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. I washed pots at the Frog and the Peach restaruant on Long Island and ran up and down to the walk in box for the chef's requests for sometimes 10 hours a day, more on the weekend. We barely grow hand picked vegetables in America any more, we have factory farms for the most part with automated pickers. Crops we get which are harvested by migrant workers are in Mexico, Chile, etc. American's are lazy, fat, and sloven. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." That's one. I want 100. I just said I did it. Everyone who worked in that kitchen was American. You replied to two different people in your previous post. The "invalid response" lesson came from ME. The fact that YOU did the kind of work you described is meaningless. I guarantee that if you asked American 100 teenagers if they'd give up their nice, comfy jobs at the mall or Blockbuster and go pick vegetables or clean public bathrooms all day long, they'd laugh at you. |
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:45:20 +1000, "Rod Speed" .... News flash, the illegals in Texas build almost 90 percent of homes, roofs, pools, roads, fences, masonry, iron work, plasterers, painters, window installation, warranty work, delivery, pick-up, and just about any job involving a wood frame including the frame is done by illegal and legal immigrants. *And they do it for slave wages in the heat, day after day and never complain. *NEVER complain. * .... I will search for the statistics, but I remember reading that the number of illegal workers in the state of Texas far outnumbers the number of unemployed legal workers. Many of those legal workers are likely resistant to the idea of working their asses off for minimum wage. Get rid of all the illegals and the veggies will not be picked, the local economy will collapse. |
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On May 1, 8:04*am, Mycosimian wrote:
On May 1, 7:14*am, Jangchub wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:45:20 +1000, "Rod Speed" ... News flash, the illegals in Texas build almost 90 percent of homes, roofs, pools, roads, fences, masonry, iron work, plasterers, painters, window installation, warranty work, delivery, pick-up, and just about any job involving a wood frame including the frame is done by illegal and legal immigrants. *And they do it for slave wages in the heat, day after day and never complain. *NEVER complain. * ... I will search for the statistics, but I remember reading that the number of illegal workers in the state of Texas far outnumbers the number of unemployed legal workers. Many of those legal workers are likely resistant to the idea of working their asses off for minimum wage. Get rid of all the illegals and the veggies will not be picked, the local economy will collapse. Sauce is ready. A bit runny, but it will do. Employment statistics - http://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/pres...1709epress.pdf ~790,000 unemployed in Tx. Immigration statistics - http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...cs/illegal.pdf This one says ~2 million immigrants in Tx in 1996 and growing fast. Don't have time to find today's numbers, but they are higher. I was over-the-top with my statement about the local economy collapsing. So long as people are working we should be mostly ok. However, the idea that we are going to deport millions of people is simply ludicrous. |
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On May 1, 11:24*am, Mycosimian wrote:
On May 1, 8:04*am, Mycosimian wrote: On May 1, 7:14*am, Jangchub wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:45:20 +1000, "Rod Speed" ... News flash, the illegals in Texas build almost 90 percent of homes, roofs, pools, roads, fences, masonry, iron work, plasterers, painters, window installation, warranty work, delivery, pick-up, and just about any job involving a wood frame including the frame is done by illegal and legal immigrants. *And they do it for slave wages in the heat, day after day and never complain. *NEVER complain. * ... I will search for the statistics, but I remember reading that the number of illegal workers in the state of Texas far outnumbers the number of unemployed legal workers. Many of those legal workers are likely resistant to the idea of working their asses off for minimum wage. Get rid of all the illegals and the veggies will not be picked, the local economy will collapse. Sauce is ready. A bit runny, but it will do. Employment statistics -http://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/press/2009/041709epress.pdf ~790,000 unemployed in Tx. Immigration statistics -www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf This one says ~2 million immigrants in Tx in 1996 and growing fast. Don't have time to find today's numbers, but they are higher. I was over-the-top with my statement about the local economy collapsing. So long as people are working we should be mostly ok. However, the idea that we are going to deport millions of people is simply ludicrous. I mis-read the numbers in the second document. Cali was 2 mil. and Texas was 700k. That is still a lot more than the unemployment numbers for that time. "The INS (now dissolved into the Dept. of Homeland Security) estimated in February 2003 that the resident illegal population in Texas was 1,041,000 as of January 2000. This number 341,000 higher than the INS' 1996 estimate." - http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...h_researchab4e The INS estimate is also referenced at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back1403.html The original document was here, http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/sta...eport_1211.pdf, but no longer. I'll look more when I can. Also remember that our unemployment rate recently doubled. Much of the new jobs being lost are higher paying than what illegals are doing, and a lot are either going to cheaper locations or disappearing altogether. I don't believe that illegal immigration is the problem, but merely one of the symptoms. |
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Jangchub wrote
Rod Speed wrote wrote JoeSpareBedroom wrote Jangchub wrote As opposed to dumb legal workers like the thieves who just left the Oval Office? The ones who forced us to need illegal's because nobody will do those jobs? Oh yeah, them. I'd like to kick GWB in the nuts just as much as you would, but he and his sitters are not responsible for the unwillingness of Americans to do certain types of work. I challenge anyone to find 100 typical teenagers who'd agree to bust their asses harvesting broccoli for 8 hours at a time, even for the legal minimum wage. Or, clean hotel bathrooms, wash pots & pans in a hot, crowded restaurant kitchen, etc. I washed pots at the Frog and the Peach restaruant on Long Island and ran up and down to the walk in box for the chef's requests for sometimes 10 hours a day, more on the weekend. And **** all americans are prepared to do that sort of work, particularly when they can get welfare instead. We barely grow hand picked vegetables in America any more, That is a pig ignorant lie. we have factory farms for the most part with automated pickers. That is a pig ignorant lie with vegetables. Crops we get which are harvested by migrant workers are in Mexico, Chile, etc. That is a pig ignorant lie. American's are lazy, fat, and sloven. What I said in different words. Statistically and logically invalid response: "I did that kind of work and it didn't kill me." That's one. I want 100. I just said I did it. Everyone who worked in that kitchen was American. Were they recent immigrants tho ? We managed to harvest the crops during WW2 with over 2,000,000 in uniform. Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that WW2 ended quite some time ago now. I wasn't even a sperm cell during that time and I failed history miserably. I live in the now. I will reference the past for comparison, but "in uniform" tells me forced labor. Those harvesting the crops during WW2 werent in uniform. He's talking about the 2M in the military etc. The crops were harvested even with all those 2M in uniform. Get rid of the illegals and the crops will be picked. News flash, the illegals in Texas build almost 90 percent of homes, roofs, pools, roads, fences, masonry, iron work, plasterers, painters, window installation, warranty work, delivery, pick-up, and just about any job involving a wood frame including the frame is done by illegal and legal immigrants. And they do it for slave wages in the heat, day after day and never complain. NEVER complain. We don't grow crops here the way you think we do. Still do, using non americans to harvest them. We grow a LOT of corn. Corn is in everything. America grows a hell of a lot more than just corn. http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications...Oct/VGS329.pdf Like hell they will. They'll rot and the food will be imported from mexico instead. It's already imported from central and south America. Most vegetables aint. http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications...Oct/VGS329.pdf Peru, Chile...bananas...etc. Farmers will pay more for labor What are you quoting from? Like hell they will. Because what is imported from mexico will be much cheaper. Oh yeah, circle back around now. No circling there. Americana is fat, ungrateful, lazy and they want it cheap What I said in different words. and not be taxed. Well, that garbage picked up, roads, on and on are paid by taxes. If you really want to bitch, find out how much the football coach makes at any Texas highschool and tell me why. Irrelevant to what is being discussed. but the overall societal benefit will be tremendous. Mindlessly silly. Even someone as stupid as you wouldnt benefit from slaving in some field, ******. Mindless? That's an interesting thing to call someone who is a full time volunteer. It that claim thats mindeless, stupid. It wouldnt even kill off ******s like you. No one would be stupid enough to pay you a cent. They don't have to, I am wealthy and I do volunteer work. Victoria That comment wasnt about you. |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
... We barely grow hand picked vegetables in America any more, we have factory farms for the most part with automated pickers. I just spotted this gem. You might want to get in touch with one or two farm machinery manufacturers and ask sales managers to name 10 crops they WISH could be harvested by machines, because those sales managers' incomes would look mighty nice all of a sudden if certain things could be picked by machines. |
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wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... We barely grow hand picked vegetables in America any more, we have factory farms for the most part with automated pickers. I just spotted this gem. You might want to get in touch with one or two farm machinery manufacturers and ask sales managers to name 10 crops they WISH could be harvested by machines, because those sales managers' incomes would look mighty nice all of a sudden if certain things could be picked by machines. You might want to use a search engine. Chilis - http://www.boeseharvester.com/ Carrot, Beet, Parsnip, Turnip, Leek, Garlic, Onions, Potatoes, Cabbage, more baseless claims on their website - http://www.asa-lift.com/cms/en-gb/Products.aspx |
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"Mycosimian" wrote in message
... On May 1, 10:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... We barely grow hand picked vegetables in America any more, we have factory farms for the most part with automated pickers. I just spotted this gem. You might want to get in touch with one or two farm machinery manufacturers and ask sales managers to name 10 crops they WISH could be harvested by machines, because those sales managers' incomes would look mighty nice all of a sudden if certain things could be picked by machines. You might want to use a search engine. ============== Why do you say that? You were trying to make a point. What was it? |
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, Mycosimian wrote: On May 1, 10:50*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... We barely grow hand picked vegetables in America any more, we have factory farms for the most part with automated pickers. I just spotted this gem. You might want to get in touch with one or two farm machinery manufacturers and ask sales managers to name 10 crops they WISH could be harvested by machines, because those sales managers' incomes would look mighty nice all of a sudden if certain things could be picked by machines. You might want to use a search engine. Chilis - http://www.boeseharvester.com/ First they would have to make a pepper plant where all the peppers ripen at the same time. Carrot, Beet, Parsnip, Turnip, Leek, Garlic, Onions, Potatoes, Cabbage, more baseless claims on their website - http://www.asa-lift.com/cms/en-gb/Products.aspx -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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Jangchub wrote: Oh well, I won't be buying a Dell ever again. Without their annual award winning tech support, a Dell may as well be a Toshiba. Speaking of tech support http://www.laughparty.com/funnypictu...-Support/1235/ -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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