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Compost Heap. Horse Manure. Pathogens.
On 15 July, 17:40, wrote:
A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, And, indeed, our local authority who two years ago warned people to scald the produce from their allotments because "95% of home grown produce is contaminated with salmonella" |
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"Billy" wrote in message
FarmI wrote last Oct. "I also spread horse poop as it comes (often almost still steaming) straight onto garden beds and it results in a huge worm population explosion." I might mention that she is still with us, which argues favorably for the use of fresh manure. Yeah, I'm still here. Nothing wrong with me other than the red spots all over, the squint, the gummy jaws, the baldness and the limp......... |
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FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote: And the Hendra Virus which is extremely virulent. Grin :-) http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/m...ages/nipah.htm "The natural reservoir for Hendra virus is thought to be flying foxes" "Only three human cases of Hendra virus disease have been recognized." Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"George.com" wrote in message
My dogs also enjoy a tasty bit of horse dung. Dogs really can be such nasty little snots at times. The other day, I went to visit my neighbour. I give her eggs, she gives me horse poop and we both think we get the best part of the deal. One of her tenants who rented one of the houses on her farm died and the tenant's Corgi ended up being adopted by my neighbour. The Corgi was lying on the Persian rug under an old church pew in the entry hall and chewing something with real relish. When we investigated it was a half moon shaped thing which turned out to be a paring from the horse's hoof from when the farrier had shod the horses that morning. I usually have a cast iron stomach but for some reason seeing the Corgi doing this really turned my stomach. |
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"Frank" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: I have a couple of large compost bins on my allotment which I regularly fill with compostable materials from home, but this only accounts for a few percent. For the most part, I go to the local riding stables where they bag up the horse manure and leave it outside for people to take for free. In the winter time, when the horses are inside the stables, the mix is heavy with straw and bedding. But now in the warmer months with the horses outside , it is mainly stuff gathered straight off the paddock areas where the horses pass their days. The thing is this. The bins are 4'x3'x3' and I just do not have the energy or strength to turn them. So , in effect they are cold compost heaps. I let the contents rot down over a 2 year period. But is there a danger that the pathogens in the horse dung will not die off (as they would if I were operating a hot heap) and that my family could become seriously ill if I use this composted material on my vegetable plot even if it is 2 years old? Ed (South-East UK) An organic farmer (US) that previously posted here said he was concerned with contamination with a potent insecticide used to keep flies down. He would not use it on his food crops. Frank I think that may be the bigger problem, it is common in the southern US to use a feed through larvacide that is usually some kind of diflubenzuron compound and some barn managers sprinkle the manure with Golden Malrin which is a carbamate. Billy might be able to expand on the hazards of these products. I have horses and goats and don't use these products in an effort to keep the manure clean ; ). Chickens are the best natural fly control around barns but unfortunately they don't leave any manure to fertilize with. basilisk |
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wrote in message news:h3n4d7
FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote: And the Hendra Virus which is extremely virulent. Grin :-) Yep http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/m...ages/nipah.htm "The natural reservoir for Hendra virus is thought to be flying foxes" Hmmmm CDC. An American site. I wonder who it was that wrote: "A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P But since you quote the CDC, their article also says "humans became ill after exposure to body fluids and excretions of horses infected with Hendra virus" "Only three human cases of Hendra virus disease have been recognized." At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus. |
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FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote: Hmmmm CDC. An American site. I wonder who it was that wrote: "A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P I did. The CDC is a respected organisation, which doesn't mean that its pronouncements are gospel. The Merkins I was referring to are a different class of Web-making pest, as undesirable as RSM. At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus. Let's all start panicking now :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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it is a trade off, but organically produced food is safer according to this
report...... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31766160...h-food_safety/ "Avoiding MRSA Follow these tips to help reduce your risk of exposure to MRSA in meats: Shop smarter Look for the USDA organic seal. Organic meat might be less likely to have antibiotic-resistant or disease-causing organisms, as the animal hasn't been fed antibiotics, hormones to promote growth, or animal by-products. Other labels, such as no antibiotics added, are not verified by independent testing. Log on to eatwellguide.org to search for listings of stores and restaurants that offer no-antibiotic-use, grass-fed, or organic meats. Stock up on nonmeat protein sources such as beans, lentils, and tofu and swap them in for meat now and then. Visit prevention.com/veggies for recipe ideas. " "You may not have the same close contact with meat that a processing plant worker has, but scientists warn there is reason for concern: Most of us handle meat daily, as we bread chicken cutlets, trim fat from pork, or form chopped beef into burgers. Cooking does kill the microbe, but MRSA thrives on skin, so you can contract it by touching infected raw meat when you have a cut on your hand, explains Stuart Levy, MD, a Tufts University professor of microbiology and medicine. MRSA also flourishes in nasal passages, so touching your nose after touching meat gives the bug another way into your body, adds Smith. Tainted meat exposed Extensive research in Europe and Asia has found MRSA in many food animal species, and in the past year, US researchers have begun testing meat sold here. Scientists at Louisiana State University Agricultural Center tested 120 cuts of locally purchased meat and found MRSA in 4 percent of the pork and 1 percent of the beef. A University of Maryland scientist found it in 1 out of 300 pork samples from the Washington, DC, area. And a study in Canada (from which we import thousands of tons of meat annually) found MRSA in 9 percent of 212 pork samples. The percentages may be small, but according to the USDA, Americans eat more than 180 million pounds of meat every day. "When you consider the tiny size of the meat studies, the fact that they found any contamination at all is amazing," says Steven Roach, public health program director for Food Animal Concerns Trust. In some cases, the tainted meat probably came from infected animals; in others, already infected humans could have passed on MRSA to the meat during processing. Regardless of where it originated, even a small proportion of contaminated meat could mean a tremendous amount of MRSA out there. "We need more US research to figure out what's going on," says Roach." Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago |
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wrote: In article , FarmI ask@itshall be given wrote: Hmmmm CDC. An American site. I wonder who it was that wrote: "A lot of such rubbish is written by Merkins, who manage to make Little Englanders look intelligent. You need to be able to judge which authors have Clue and which don't." ;-P I did. The CDC is a respected organisation, which doesn't mean that its pronouncements are gospel. The Merkins I was referring to are a different class of Web-making pest, as undesirable as RSM. What do Regional Sales Managers have to do with anything? At last count, three people have died of Hendra Virus. Let's all start panicking now :-) Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"? Regards, Nick Maclaren. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
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Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"? Regards, Nick Maclaren. -- Don't know about the UK, but have you looked at the subscribers of THIS newsgroup? Some certainly have queer ways. :-(( -- Mike The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rneba.org.uk Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight? www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk |
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In article
, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message FarmI wrote last Oct. "I also spread horse poop as it comes (often almost still steaming) straight onto garden beds and it results in a huge worm population explosion." I might mention that she is still with us, which argues favorably for the use of fresh manure. Yeah, I'm still here. Nothing wrong with me other than the red spots all over, the squint, the gummy jaws, the baldness and the limp......... These ideosyncracies only add character to our siren of the soil. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
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Ed ex@directory wrote: I have a couple of large compost bins on my allotment which I regularly fill with compostable materials from home, but this only accounts for a few percent. For the most part, I go to the local riding stables where they bag up the horse manure and leave it outside for people to take for free. In the winter time, when the horses are inside the stables, the mix is heavy with straw and bedding. But now in the warmer months with the horses outside , it is mainly stuff gathered straight off the paddock areas where the horses pass their days. The thing is this. The bins are 4'x3'x3' and I just do not have the energy or strength to turn them. So , in effect they are cold compost heaps. I let the contents rot down over a 2 year period. But is there a danger that the pathogens in the horse dung will not die off (as they would if I were operating a hot heap) and that my family could become seriously ill if I use this composted material on my vegetable plot even if it is 2 years old? Ed (South-East UK) Let's look at a worst case scenerio. Vegetable Gardens and Drainage Fields Sometimes the ideal place to put a vegetable garden seems to be over the leach field, raising the question of bacterial and viral contamination from the effluent. Soils vary a great deal in their ability to filter viruses and bacteria. Clay soils work best, eliminating bacteria within a few inches of the drain trenches, but sandy soils may allow bacterial movement for several feet. A properly operating system will not contaminate the soil with disease-causing organisms, but it is very difficult to determine if a field is operating just as it should. If at all possible, use your septic drain field for ornamentals and plant your vegetables elsewhere. If you must plant vegetables, take the following precautions. Do not plant root crops over drain lines. Leafy vegetables could be contaminated by rain splashing soil onto the plant, so either mulch them to eliminate splashing or don't grow them. Fruiting crops are probably safe; train any vining ones such as cucumbers or tomatoes onto a support so that the fruit is off the ground. Thoroughly wash any produce from the garden before eating it. Do not construct raised beds over the field; they might inhibit evaporation of moisture. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
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In article ,
Ed ex@directory wrote: I have a couple of large compost bins on my allotment which I regularly fill with compostable materials from home, but this only accounts for a few percent. For the most part, I go to the local riding stables where they bag up the horse manure and leave it outside for people to take for free. In the winter time, when the horses are inside the stables, the mix is heavy with straw and bedding. But now in the warmer months with the horses outside , it is mainly stuff gathered straight off the paddock areas where the horses pass their days. The thing is this. The bins are 4'x3'x3' and I just do not have the energy or strength to turn them. So , in effect they are cold compost heaps. I let the contents rot down over a 2 year period. But is there a danger that the pathogens in the horse dung will not die off (as they would if I were operating a hot heap) and that my family could become seriously ill if I use this composted material on my vegetable plot even if it is 2 years old? Ed (South-East UK) Worst case scenerio, take 2. Forgot my cite )) http://www.mastergardenproducts.com/...drain_field_ga rdening.htm Vegetable Gardens and Drainage Fields Sometimes the ideal place to put a vegetable garden seems to be over the leach field, raising the question of bacterial and viral contamination from the effluent. Soils vary a great deal in their ability to filter viruses and bacteria. Clay soils work best, eliminating bacteria within a few inches of the drain trenches, but sandy soils may allow bacterial movement for several feet. A properly operating system will not contaminate the soil with disease-causing organisms, but it is very difficult to determine if a field is operating just as it should. If at all possible, use your septic drain field for ornamentals and plant your vegetables elsewhere. If you must plant vegetables, take the following precautions. Do not plant root crops over drain lines. Leafy vegetables could be contaminated by rain splashing soil onto the plant, so either mulch them to eliminate splashing or don't grow them. Fruiting crops are probably safe; train any vining ones such as cucumbers or tomatoes onto a support so that the fruit is off the ground. Thoroughly wash any produce from the garden before eating it. Do not construct raised beds over the field; they might inhibit evaporation of moisture. ----- The moral is, don't use fresh manure on the edible portion of something you may eat in the next three months. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
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Wild Billy wrote:
Do many people in the UK show signs of "Mad Cow Disease"? No, and they never did, although it was a tragedy for those families who lost loved ones. It was just one of those hyped-up extraordinarily rare diseases which "professors" who should know better (but obviously didn't) pontificated about in a purely self-publicising manner. The main pathogenic effect of MCD was to sell newspapers. -- Jeff |
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