Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:

""Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders? (Not from URL (Wild
Billy? ) )

Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight
Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time
when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent."

From
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariann...utter-2010_b_5
48620.html

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

Bill who putters wrote:
See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:

""Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders? (Not from URL (Wild
Billy? ) )

Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight
Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time
when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent."

From
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariann...utter-2010_b_5
48620.html

For the Republican Party it has been a continuous push to the right
extreme. John Paul Stevens was a lifelong republican, imagine that now?

The former party of small government is now to pushing toward the Tea
Party belief of no government. Arguably George W Bush did his best to
break government and generally succeeded.

Jeff

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

On 4/23/2010 8:05 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:

""Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders? (Not from URL (Wild
Billy? ) )

Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight
Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time
when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent."

From
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariann...utter-2010_b_5
48620.html


My thought when I read this was that lunch today was venison chili.
The venison was culled with my Remington 1100, a shotgun that has
supplied this household with lots of meals but no butter ;)

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

"Bill who putters" wrote a whole load of crap that
is off topic.

For Pete's sake will you shove your off topic posts up your left nostril and
set them alight!

I've already seem one other ng absolutely killed by off topic posts which
turned the group from being a generalised discussion group for posters from
aroudn the world to one about US politics and solely US politics. Either
post about garden related topics of STFU.

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

On Apr 23, 5:46*pm, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Bill who putters" wrote a whole load of crap that
is off topic.

For Pete's sake will you shove your off topic posts up your left nostril and
set them alight!

I've already seem one other ng absolutely killed by off topic posts which
turned the group from being a generalised discussion group for posters from
aroudn the world to one about US politics and solely US politics. *Either
post about garden related topics of STFU.

Thank you for posting this. I absolutely agree.
Emilie
NorCal

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

I agree that this group should be on the subject of gardening!

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Bill who putters" wrote a whole load of crap that
is off topic.

For Pete's sake will you shove your off topic posts up your left nostril and
set them alight!

I've already seem one other ng absolutely killed by off topic posts which
turned the group from being a generalised discussion group for posters from
aroudn the world to one about US politics and solely US politics. Either
post about garden related topics of STFU.

IWNSTFU Kill file me.

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Bill who putters" wrote a whole load of crap that
is off topic.

For Pete's sake will you shove your off topic posts up your left nostril
and
set them alight!

I've already seem one other ng absolutely killed by off topic posts which
turned the group from being a generalised discussion group for posters from
aroudn the world to one about US politics and solely US politics. Either
post about garden related topics of STFU.

IWNSTFU Kill file me.

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic, or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you. On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

On Apr 23, 6:24*am, Jeff Thies wrote:
Bill who putters wrote:
See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:

""Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders? * * (Not from URL (Wild
Billy? ) )

Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight
Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time
when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent."

From *
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariann...utter-2010_b_5
48620.html

For the Republican Party it has been a continuous push to the right
extreme. John Paul Stevens was a lifelong republican, imagine that now?

* The former party of small government is now to pushing toward the Tea
Party belief of no government. Arguably George W Bush did his best to
break government and generally succeeded.

Jeff

That's hilarious! Bush presided over one of the hugest expansion of
government
in many administrations. Only he did it in the interests of his
corporate masters,
not of the people he swore to serve.

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

Higgs Boson wrote:
On Apr 23, 6:24 am, Jeff Thies wrote:
Bill who putters wrote:
See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:
""Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders? (Not from URL (Wild
Billy? ) )
Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight
Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time
when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent."
From
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariann...utter-2010_b_5
48620.html
For the Republican Party it has been a continuous push to the right
extreme. John Paul Stevens was a lifelong republican, imagine that now?

The former party of small government is now to pushing toward the Tea
Party belief of no government. Arguably George W Bush did his best to
break government and generally succeeded.

Jeff

That's hilarious! Bush presided over one of the hugest expansion of
government
in many administrations.

Broken government can be the most expensive kind! It doesn't cost less
but it does less.

Only he did it in the interests of his
corporate masters,
not of the people he swore to serve.

Agreed.

Jeff

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

To Anzac Day

.. . And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we sailed away from the quay . .
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

"Bill who putters" wrote in message
...
See if you can identify the bleeding heart liberal who said this:

""Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Noam Chomsky? Michael Moore? Bernie Sanders? (Not from URL (Wild
Billy? ) )

Nope, it was that unrepentant lefty, five-star general Dwight
Eisenhower, in 1953, just a few months after taking office -- a time
when the economy was booming and unemployment was 2.7 percent."

From
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ariann...utter-2010_b_5
48620.html

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA


Military-industrial complex
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


President Dwight Eisenhower famously warned the US about the
"military-industrial complex" in his farewell address.
Military-industrial complex (MIC) is a concept commonly used to refer to
policy relationships between governments, national armed forces, and the
industrial sector that supports them. These relationships include political
approval for research, development, production, use, and support for
military training, weapons, equipment, and facilities within the national
defense and security policy. It is a type of iron triangle.
The term is most often played in reference to the military of the United
States, where it gained popularity after its use in the farewell address
speech of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, though the term is applicable to
any country with a similarly developed infrastructure.
It is sometimes used more broadly to include the entire network of contracts
and flows of money and resources among individuals as well as institutions
of the defense contractors, The Pentagon, and the Congress and executive
branch. This sector is intrinsically prone to principal-agent problem, moral
hazard, and rent seeking. Cases of political corruption have also surfaced
with regularity.
A similar thesis was originally expressed by Daniel Guérin, in his 1936 book
Fascism and Big Business, about the fascist government support to heavy
industry. It can be defined as, "an informal and changing coalition of
groups with vested psychological, moral, and material interests in the
continuous development and maintenance of high levels of weaponry, in
preservation of colonial markets and in military-strategic conceptions of
internal affairs" [1]

http://goo.gl/Ds4N

All praise to Eisenhower, perhaps that ;ast sane president.

piedmont / mike

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but deliberately
posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is not even as if
any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing about perhaps
shooting something in the garden and then weaving in comments that apply
only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of us
who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is
not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing
about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving in
comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

I usually just read the subject. If it says, say, "How to seduce a sheep",
I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is about, I'm no
longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read it. If I click
into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that the thread
drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat it the same
way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be in
a perfect world. I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve

Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
 

In article ,
"Steve B" wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is
not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing
about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving in
comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

I usually just read the subject. If it says, say, "How to seduce a sheep",
I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is about, I'm no
longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read it. If I click
into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that the thread
drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat it the same
way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be in
a perfect world. I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve

Yes and people that know about cabg don't worry about the small
things. Guess I should have wrote cabbage.

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA