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.... on this NG. Guess most everybody has gone dormant.
We are digging out of the rain storms that have caused a lot of damage in So. Calif. Fortunately my house in a "flat, boring" area has come through OK, esp. since I had a roof leak fixed last summer. But a lot of houses in the canyons and in the cliffs overlooking the sea have taken a terrible beating, with danger of landslides continuing. Garden is hysterical with joy over the nice clean sky water that has been pouring down for -- what? two weeks? week and a half? I have filled several trash cans with sky water, to use on house plans for the next long time. I have hear a dash of chlorine will keep the water from getting icky. T/F? This is to wish all the good people on this NG Happy Holidays and a New Year of peace, health and prosperity. Let us share our blessings with poor Bradley Manning, who is still in a Navy brig under inhuman -- read: "torture" conditions. He needs to hear from us. That our government can be so spiteful and do illegal things to people is no news, but what they're doing to this kid is beyond all limits. We must stand up for the rule of law! He is being kept -- falsely -- under a "Prevention of Injury" rule. He is not a dangerous to himself; that is a slimey pretext. He can't get a night's sleep; they wake him every 5 minutes. He has NO exercise time. No pillow, no blanket. In solitary for the last few months. Cannot receive visitors. Has no reading matter. He is deteriorating mentally and physically. The govt's objective is to break him so he will turn on WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Please go to firedoglake.com and add your support. Not because you agree or disagree with WikiLeaks and Bradley Manning. But because what is being done to this boy is ILLEGAL. Our silence is complicity. What if it was your son? HP |
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, Higgs Boson wrote: Please go to firedoglake.com and add your support. Not because you agree or disagree with WikiLeaks and Bradley Manning. But because what is being done to this boy is ILLEGAL. Our silence is complicity. What if it was your son? The Wikileaks Task Force's acronym says it all, WTF. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug |
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If he is being held with no visitors, how do you know all the "details"
about the holding of this traitor? "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... ... on this NG. Guess most everybody has gone dormant. We are digging out of the rain storms that have caused a lot of damage in So. Calif. Fortunately my house in a "flat, boring" area has come through OK, esp. since I had a roof leak fixed last summer. But a lot of houses in the canyons and in the cliffs overlooking the sea have taken a terrible beating, with danger of landslides continuing. Garden is hysterical with joy over the nice clean sky water that has been pouring down for -- what? two weeks? week and a half? I have filled several trash cans with sky water, to use on house plans for the next long time. I have hear a dash of chlorine will keep the water from getting icky. T/F? This is to wish all the good people on this NG Happy Holidays and a New Year of peace, health and prosperity. Let us share our blessings with poor Bradley Manning, who is still in a Navy brig under inhuman -- read: "torture" conditions. He needs to hear from us. That our government can be so spiteful and do illegal things to people is no news, but what they're doing to this kid is beyond all limits. We must stand up for the rule of law! He is being kept -- falsely -- under a "Prevention of Injury" rule. He is not a dangerous to himself; that is a slimey pretext. He can't get a night's sleep; they wake him every 5 minutes. He has NO exercise time. No pillow, no blanket. In solitary for the last few months. Cannot receive visitors. Has no reading matter. He is deteriorating mentally and physically. The govt's objective is to break him so he will turn on WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Please go to firedoglake.com and add your support. Not because you agree or disagree with WikiLeaks and Bradley Manning. But because what is being done to this boy is ILLEGAL. Our silence is complicity. What if it was your son? HP |
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In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote: If he is being held with no visitors, how do you know all the "details" about the holding of this traitor? There in lies the problem. How do you know that he is a traitor? In your mind he is already convicted. If he does admit to charges of unauthorised use and disclosure of classified information, his confession could reasonably be expected to be throw out because of torture. Because of torture, people will say anything. Bradley Manning's lawyer complained about his treatment, and characterized it as torture. U.N. Probes Detention of Bradley Manning http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...eaks-bradley-m anning The United Nations special rapporteur on torture has launched an investigation into the U.S. military¹s treatment of Bradley Manning, the Army private accused of leaking classified material to WikiLeaks. Manning has been held in solitary confinement since May. His attorney has claimed confinement has been in violation of a military rule against "pretrial punishment." Friends and family of Manning say his mental and physical health has been deteriorating. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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Summary execution.
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On Jan 2, 10:48*am, "Don Staples" wrote:
Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB |
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Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don Staples" wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB |
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On Jan 2, 2:57*pm, "D. Staples" wrote:
Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.But...but....who is the enemy? Even granting your (faulty) premise. HB "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don Staples" wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB |
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In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote: Summary execution. Uh-huh. So now your saying laws don't matter? No habeas corpus? Now we just spout the drivel from the corporate owned news, and hope they told us the truth. So what proof do you have that Bradley Manning is guilty, and deserving of the death penalty? The government seems to waffle between "sabotage", and "the releases are old news that we know already". Personally, I find it refreshing to know what really is going on in our government. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don Staples" wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc... Summary execution. Why? Is that the punishment for the charges he faces? If not, are just you putting in an opinion about the punishment you think Manning should face? |
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. There are at least 3 Australians and at least one New Zealander who all post here regularly so they would all be quite well aware of Assange's nationality. The ludicrous calls for all sorts of ridiculous action that have been made in the US have also been well noted south of the equator. There sure are some intemperate loonies in the US who have little knowledge of, or respect for the law. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Don Staples" wrote in message omsupplyinc... Summary execution. Why? Is that the punishment for the charges he faces? If not, are just you putting in an opinion about the punishment you think Manning should face? On July 5, Bradley Manning was charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal computer and communicating national defense information to an unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010. He wasn't charged with aiding an abetting an enemy. Actually, I think he hurt the "enemy", depending, of course, on who we call the "enemy". I don't include Bradley Manning among them. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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Billy wrote:
In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Don Staples" wrote in message omsupplyinc... Summary execution. Why? Is that the punishment for the charges he faces? If not, are just you putting in an opinion about the punishment you think Manning should face? On July 5, Bradley Manning was charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal computer and communicating national defense information to an unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010. He wasn't charged with aiding an abetting an enemy. Actually, I think he hurt the "enemy", depending, of course, on who we call the "enemy". I don't include Bradley Manning among them. Privacy is history. What makes the governments of the world think they should have privacy when no law exist for the privacy concerns of it's citizens. The so called theory of : The governments job to is protect the people? Or is it to help government officials to hide from their crimes. I will support the governments privacy concerns when I can also legally encode my own communications in which is next to impossible to listen in on. I do not buy the argument "For the protection of its citizens". 9/11 communication interceptions never helped it's citizens. As for the soldier, he did break the law in which he was hired for and deserves his prison time. However, he should be treated humanely, what ever that is. Is he a martyr, perhaps, the jury is still out. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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"Billy" wrote in message
... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? |
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On 01/03/2011 12:29 AM, Billy wrote:
In lecomsupplyinc, "Don wrote: Summary execution. Uh-huh. So now your saying laws don't matter? No habeas corpus? Now we just spout the drivel from the corporate owned news, and hope they told us the truth. So what proof do you have that Bradley Manning is guilty, and deserving of the death penalty? The government seems to waffle between "sabotage", and "the releases are old news that we know already". Personally, I find it refreshing to know what really is going on in our government. Manning took an oath when he joined the US military, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He was in a job with high level security clearance and knew it was illegal for him to take anything. He deserves to be shot as an example to anyone else who thinks about doing the same thing. His superior officer or officers who allowed him to take a data recorder into his job knew it wasn't allowed and they should be tried and suffer some of the consequences along with Manning. -- "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." ~Winston Churchill “Islam is the crack cocaine of religion” ~John Bodart On September 11, 2010 Muslims in England were burning American flags and calling for the overthrow of the United States. They call Islam a Religion of Peace, but it's more like a Religion Of Psychos. |
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On 01/03/2011 12:34 AM, Billy wrote:
In lecomsupplyinc, "D. wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? What are you an Idiot? With free speech you can say anything you want but taking classified information and giving it to the world is illegal and the criminals need to be punished. If people in the US military could choose what rules they want to uphold or break then the security of our country is in jeopardy. Terrorist depend on idiots like you to aid them in their attacks against the US. "Higgs wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB -- "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." ~Winston Churchill “Islam is the crack cocaine of religion” ~John Bodart On September 11, 2010 Muslims in England were burning American flags and calling for the overthrow of the United States. They call Islam a Religion of Peace, but it's more like a Religion Of Psychos. |
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On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable. He should have known what he was doing was wrong. What was he thinking? Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in his honor? -- "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." ~Winston Churchill “Islam is the crack cocaine of religion” ~John Bodart On September 11, 2010 Muslims in England were burning American flags and calling for the overthrow of the United States. They call Islam a Religion of Peace, but it's more like a Religion Of Psychos. |
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"Don Staples" wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Call me gutless if you want, however I HATE ROSES! -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nad R wrote: "Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Call me gutless if you want, however I HATE ROSES! While our infrastructure goes south. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=5564 Gutless no just lost in duality. Eisenhower warned and Hollywood said what the hell. We spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. I'd say go for it but just reinstate the draft only for folks over 55. Bill who loves roses especially as Rose Hip Jam. -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden "Always tell the truth and you don't have to remember anything." --Mark Twain. |
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Mysterious Traveler wrote: On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote: On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable. He should have known what he was doing was wrong. What was he thinking? Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in his honor? What Assange did is no different than what the N.Y. Times, Le Monde in France, El Pais in Spain, The Guardian in Britain and Der Spiegel in Germany did. He passes along information. He didn't steal it. As for the person who gave the information to Wikileaks, they may have felt morally obligated to let fellow citizens know how our tax supported government was behaving. Personally, I am grateful to that person whoever they are. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/29/allan_nairn_as_us_loses_its Brookings Institution last year estimated that for every one militant, as they put it, killed in Pakistan, the U.S. drones kill 10 civilians. General Michael Hayden, former head of the CIA, also the National Security Agency, also former director of National Intelligence, said that our default position is to kill our adversaries, referring to the use of the drones. Harold Koh, who¹s the legal adviser for the Justice Department, earlier this year at a State Department briefing on the results of the review conference on the International Criminal Court, described the international legal environment that the U.S. had helped shape. And he said this: "No U.S. national can be prosecuted for aggression. We ensure total protection to our American forces and other nationals going forward." So, in that situation, the U.S. defines who the adversaries is. The default U.S. position is to kill the adversary. When you kill the adversary, you kill 10 civilians. What are the survivors, the loved ones of those civilians, supposed to do, when the international legal system is rigged so that there is no peaceful redress, so they have no place to go? It¹s unjustified. It¹s terrorism by the U.S. law¹s own definition. - ALLAN NAIRN Bring our boys and girls home, NOW. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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Mysterious Traveler wrote: On 01/03/2011 12:34 AM, Billy wrote: In lecomsupplyinc, "D. wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? What are you an Idiot? With free speech you can say anything you want but taking classified information and giving it to the world is illegal and the criminals need to be punished. I agree, but I wouldn't go below lower than Congressional Representatives. If people in the US military could choose what rules they want to uphold or break then the security of our country is in jeopardy. Terrorist depend on idiots like you to aid them in their attacks against the US. And if we called the war off now? I doubt that the few hundred "die hard" al Quaida would want to start the war over again. If they do, then they give us no choice, but why don't we start by giving them a choice. I know the the military-industrial complex would be unhappy about that but we can't keep supporting these self-serving parasites. Using invectives is VERY unhelpful. "Higgs wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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Mysterious Traveler wrote: On 01/03/2011 12:29 AM, Billy wrote: In lecomsupplyinc, "Don wrote: Summary execution. Uh-huh. So now your saying laws don't matter? No habeas corpus? Now we just spout the drivel from the corporate owned news, and hope they told us the truth. So what proof do you have that Bradley Manning is guilty, and deserving of the death penalty? The government seems to waffle between "sabotage", and "the releases are old news that we know already". Personally, I find it refreshing to know what really is going on in our government. Manning took an oath when he joined the US military, he knew what he was doing was wrong. He was in a job with high level security clearance and knew it was illegal for him to take anything. He deserves to be shot as an example to anyone else who thinks about doing the same thing. His superior officer or officers who allowed him to take a data recorder into his job knew it wasn't allowed and they should be tried and suffer some of the consequences along with Manning. He hasn't been found guilty. What part of that don't you understand? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Don Staples" wrote in message omsupplyinc... Summary execution. Why? Is that the punishment for the charges he faces? If not, are just you putting in an opinion about the punishment you think Manning should face? On July 5, Bradley Manning was charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal computer and communicating national defense information to an unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010. He wasn't charged with aiding an abetting an enemy. Actually, I think he hurt the "enemy", depending, of course, on who we call the "enemy". I don't include Bradley Manning among them. Privacy is history. What makes the governments of the world think they should have privacy when no law exist for the privacy concerns of it's citizens. The so called theory of : The governments job to is protect the people? Or is it to help government officials to hide from their crimes. I will support the governments privacy concerns when I can also legally encode my own communications in which is next to impossible to listen in on. I do not buy the argument "For the protection of its citizens". 9/11 communication interceptions never helped it's citizens. As for the soldier, he did break the law in which he was hired for and deserves his prison time. However, he should be treated humanely, what ever that is. Is he a martyr, perhaps, the jury is still out. Jeez, et tu Bruté? The jury is not out, it hasn't been constituted or seated. Manning hasn't been tried except in the minds of those who have prejudged him. Let him have his day in court first, OK? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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"Billy" wrote in message
... In article pplyinc, "Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don? Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short. |
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"Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don? Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short. Well I'm glad you came to your senses and started supporting "The Most Disappointing President Ever". So, no more due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. Good-bye 21st Century, hello 12th. With this issue out of the way, we can go back to getting ****ed-off at the most "disappointing President ever" for: 1) the 20% increase in civilian deaths in Pakistan due to intensified use of drone aircraft 2) extended military commitment in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Ethiopia 3) continuation of spying on all American citizens 4) authorizing the murder of an American citizen 5) suspension of habeas corpus 6) using "national security" to prevent government transparency 7) appointing ideologues to lead the FCC and the Deficit Panel which will lead to higher charges for wireless users, and cuts in Medicare and Social Security for the old and the sick 8) giving $700B to the rich (who have never had it so good as the last 10 years) and increasing taxes on the poor http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/28wages.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html 9) continued U.S. support for Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians 10) putting in place a security system that essentially takes naked pictures of our mothers, wives, and children, or requires them to be groped. I don't care what party wins the next election, as long as it is won by an honest person. That probably rules out the Republicans, and the Democrats. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw |
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Billy wrote:
In article , "Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don? Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short. Well I'm glad you came to your senses and started supporting "The Most Disappointing President Ever". So, no more due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. Good-bye 21st Century, hello 12th. With this issue out of the way, we can go back to getting ****ed-off at the most "disappointing President ever" for: 1) the 20% increase in civilian deaths in Pakistan due to intensified use of drone aircraft 2) extended military commitment in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Ethiopia 3) continuation of spying on all American citizens 4) authorizing the murder of an American citizen 5) suspension of habeas corpus 6) using "national security" to prevent government transparency 7) appointing ideologues to lead the FCC and the Deficit Panel which will lead to higher charges for wireless users, and cuts in Medicare and Social Security for the old and the sick 8) giving $700B to the rich (who have never had it so good as the last 10 years) and increasing taxes on the poor http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/28wages.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html 9) continued U.S. support for Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians 10) putting in place a security system that essentially takes naked pictures of our mothers, wives, and children, or requires them to be groped. I don't care what party wins the next election, as long as it is won by an honest person. That probably rules out the Republicans, and the Democrats. Honest people cannot get elected anywhere! One must lie, cheat and steal to get elected. As an Atheist what chances would I have... None! I would have to lie, cheat and steal to get elected. As for human rights and the constitution, President Bush shredded that document years ago. If you want an honest leader, get rid of democracy and install a ruthless dictator. He may be completely insane, but still honest. I am not sure honesty is up there in terms of a qualified leader... Just one that agrees with my views. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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"Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "Don Staples" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article pplyinc, "D. Staples" wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses? Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech. You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don? Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short. Why don't you wait for his conviction, before you start planning his execution? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:38:13 -0600, Mysterious Traveler wrote:
On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote: On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable. He should have known what he was doing was wrong. What was he thinking? Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in his honor? He is a hero. As is Bradley. They probably will not get a ticker tape parade, because they are heroes for the people, not the machine. |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:37:53 -0600, Mysterious Traveler wrote:
What are you an Idiot? With free speech you can say anything you want but taking classified information and giving it to the world is illegal and the criminals need to be punished. If people in the US military could choose what rules they want to uphold or break then the security of our country is in jeopardy. Terrorist depend on idiots like you to aid them in their attacks against the US. The US government and military are corrupt to the top. It is up to the average citizen and of course the military grunts, to keep the top brass in line. |
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:03:59 +0000, Nad R wrote:
Privacy is history. What makes the governments of the world think they should have privacy when no law exist for the privacy concerns of it's citizens. The so called theory of : The governments job to is protect the people? Or is it to help government officials to hide from their crimes. I will support the governments privacy concerns when I can also legally encode my own communications in which is next to impossible to listen in on. I do not buy the argument "For the protection of its citizens". 9/11 communication interceptions never helped it's citizens. As for the soldier, he did break the law in which he was hired for and deserves his prison time. However, he should be treated humanely, what ever that is. Is he a martyr, perhaps, the jury is still out. I think it may be a crime to support illegal government activity. Soldiers have a legal and moral right to blow a whistle. |
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"jellybean stonerfish" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:38:13 -0600, Mysterious Traveler wrote: He is a hero. As is Bradley. They probably will not get a ticker tape parade, because they are heroes for the people, not the machine. So, a hacker steals your credit information, and provides it to his posse, is he a hero as well? He benefits the people, not the machine, and your out only a few bucks. The fruitcake is a thief, he stole classified materials and provided them to another fruitcake for publication. In violation of military and civil law. I think he should be summarily executed, if not for the theft, then for being stupid. Go back to raising your roses. |
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"D. Staples" wrote: "jellybean stonerfish" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:38:13 -0600, Mysterious Traveler wrote: He is a hero. As is Bradley. They probably will not get a ticker tape parade, because they are heroes for the people, not the machine. So, a hacker steals your credit information, and provides it to his posse, is he a hero as well? He benefits the people, not the machine, and your out only a few bucks. The hypothetical hacker above would be a thief out for personal gain. We don't know who took the information. We don't know why they took the information. We don't know how Wikileaks came by its information. We do that the government was given the chance to redact the released material, and didn't. Now they complain. We do know where the N.Y. Times, Le Monde in France, El Pais in Spain, The Guardian in Britain and Der Spiegel in Germany got their information. You calling for their heads also, Don? How about the people reading the classified information? Kill them too, because they know too much? I do know that the murder of the Reuters journalists was sufficient for me to applaud whoever exposed the American mode of total war without end. And intercourse you too, while I'm at it, you Nazi. The fruitcake is a thief, The fruitcake is the guy that condemns without proof. The fruitcake is the guy who prejudges. The fruitcake is the guy who answers in English, when apparently he can't read it. The fruitcake is the guy who doesn't support American values of fair play and honesty. he stole classified materials and provided them to another fruitcake for publication. In violation of military and civil law. I think he should be summarily executed, if not for the theft, then for being stupid. Go back to raising your roses. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:03:59 +0000, Nad R wrote: Privacy is history. What makes the governments of the world think they should have privacy when no law exist for the privacy concerns of it's citizens. The so called theory of : The governments job to is protect the people? Or is it to help government officials to hide from their crimes. I will support the governments privacy concerns when I can also legally encode my own communications in which is next to impossible to listen in on. I do not buy the argument "For the protection of its citizens". 9/11 communication interceptions never helped it's citizens. As for the soldier, he did break the law in which he was hired for and deserves his prison time. However, he should be treated humanely, what ever that is. Is he a martyr, perhaps, the jury is still out. I think it may be a crime to support illegal government activity. Soldiers have a legal and moral right to blow a whistle. Do you support illegal government activity, Don? Do you support murder and torture of people SUSPECTED to be criminals? What would you do, if Pakistan killed 10 members of your family, to kill one nationalist, excuse me, I mean militant? The money for the 9/11 killers did come from Pakistan after all. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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"Billy" wrote in message
... In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Don Staples" wrote in message omsupplyinc... Summary execution. Why? Is that the punishment for the charges he faces? If not, are just you putting in an opinion about the punishment you think Manning should face? On July 5, Bradley Manning was charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal computer and communicating national defense information to an unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010. So, if found guilty of that charge, is the punishment "summary execution"? If so, it seems rather extreme given the boring nature of the information contained in the leaks to date. Anyone with half a brain and an interest in politics and world events and access to a computer could have reached simialr conclusions. |
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"Mysterious Traveler" wrote in message
... On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote: On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote: Summary execution. It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S. HB He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable. He should have known what he was doing was wrong. What was he thinking? Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in his honor? Those comments are nonsensical given which organisations are publishing the leaks. |
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"Mysterious Traveler" wrote in message
... On 01/03/2011 12:34 AM, Billy wrote: In lecomsupplyinc, "D. wrote: Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution. There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding the enemy as well. Does free speech no longer exist in this country?? What are we becoming, Don? What are you an Idiot? Wel he isn't but I'm sure there are a lot around. I've been wondering if the US military is run by a bunch of complete incompetents. I find it absolutley astounding that a 23 year old Private had access to so much information that has nothing at all to do with the military and while he was stationed in Iraq. Manning wasn't in Washinton in some snug office job but was stationed in what is effectively a combat zone. That is simply astounding and beyond common sense. Heads should roll but it should be at very senior levels. Of course it'll be a silly young Private who gets crucified and the real incompetents who should be held accountable will get away with it. With free speech you can say anything you want but taking classified information and giving it to the world is illegal and the criminals need to be punished. If people in the US military could choose what rules they want to uphold or break then the security of our country is in jeopardy. Security is obviously in jeopardy if some Private in Iraq had access to so much information. Terrorist depend on idiots like you to aid them in their attacks against the US. That is an insulting and ignorant remark given US Constitution. |
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"Billy" wrote in message
The fruitcake is the guy who doesn't support American values of fair play and honesty. Yeah well........ I wonder why that comment makes me think about the US invasion of Grenada with a population of 100K. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
I find it absolutley astounding that a 23 year old Private had access to so much information that has nothing at all to do with the military and while he was stationed in Iraq. Manning wasn't in Washinton in some snug office job but was stationed in what is effectively a combat zone. That is simply astounding and beyond common sense. Heads should roll but it should be at very senior levels. Of course it'll be a silly young Private who gets crucified and the real incompetents who should be held accountable will get away with it. Before 9/11 the intelligence agencies were divided and did not share information. Information was splintered and few were allowed to see the information collected. After 9/11 a new agency was created called "Homeland Security". A vast new agency that shared information from the different agencies like, NSA, CIA, Military and the FBI. It was a knee jerk reaction and this gigantic agency was throw together haphazardly. Some people had access to information that should not have, like a young Private that may not have as much maturity as an older person would have. The military complex is a behemoth that is bankrupting the United States just to help the international corporations to stay mega rich while the citizens go broke. People vote for the behemoth military out of fear and lies from our politicians. Like most behemoth facilities they tend to get out of control and run by local nut jobs. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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