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Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting
_veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Bass says that she planted the garden after her front yard was torn up for some sewer repairs. Rather than wasting the opportunity to start with a clean slate by planting a lawn, she decided to really put the area to use, and plant a vegetable garden. Her garden consists of 5 raised beds, where she grows a mix of squashes, corn, tomatoes, flowers, and other veggies. Bass received a warning from the city telling her to remove the vegetable garden, because it doesn't adhere to city ordinances (more on that later.) When she refused, she was ticketed and charged with a misdemeanor. Her trial, before a jury, is set to begin on July 26th. If she is found guilty, she can be sentenced to up to 93 days in jail. About the City Ordinance Supposedly, Bass is in noncompliance with a city ordinance that states that only "suitable" plant material is allowed on the lawn area of residences. When local media asked city planner Kevin Rulkowski what that meant, he said suitable means "common:" lawn, nice shrubs, and flowers. However, the city ordinance does not specifically state that those are the only allowed plant materials. About Oak Park This is not some gated community with HOA regulations. This is an ordinary, working class neighborhood in Oakland County, Michigan. Like nearly every other city in my home state right now, Oak Park is facing financial issues. Here at home, people are amazed that a cash-strapped city has the resources to investigate, charge, and prosecute a resident for something as innocuous as planting a vegetable garden. What's Being Done This story is gaining traction all over the web. Gawker covered it this morning. There are Facebook pages devoted to supporting Mrs. Bass and her family during this ordeal. Will social media help change the city's mind? That's what many of us are hoping. Local television affiliates for ABC and Fox news have already covered the story, and media attention continues to grow. How to Help If you want to help support a gardener's right to grow food for her family (even if it is -- gasp -- in the front yard!) there are several things you can do: 1. Email or call officials for the city of Oak Park. Mrs. Bass has listed contact information for the mayor, city manager, and other city officials in the sidebar of her blog. http://oakparkhatesveggies.wordpress.com/ 2. "Like" the Oak Park Hates Veggies Facebook Page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Oak-Park-Hates- Veggies/184553881597878?v=wall 3. Spread the word via Facebook and Twitter. By gaining attention to this particular issue, with this particular homeowner, the hope is that other cities will reconsider before they harass another homeowner for something like this. What do you think? Should a front yard vegetable garden be a crime? Comments: Grommitt Eckhart Michelle Obama put 1100 sq.ft. of vegetable garden on the south lawn of the White House. If it's good enough for the leader of the free world, then what the f**k is wrong with Oakpark? 868 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:08pm Grommitt EckhartIf GW Bush could get involved with that unfortunate brain- dead woman in Florida, then why can't Ms. First Lady get involved in this? Does someone have her on Twitter? 81 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:31pm. John Russell Posson · E-5 Genorator mechanic at Indiana Army National Guard Here here, and again as i said in reply to a previous poster, TBH IMO a city should not be allowed to say you cant, provided you properly take care of it... 33 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:53pm. Julie Chippindale · Proston, Queensland Michelle Obama may have been allowed to put a garden in but she was NOT allowed to say it was organic as others would then question why!!!! 30 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 2:43pm.View 24 more. Shelley Smith · Traditional Mysore-Style Ashtanga Yoga Instructor at Pineapple Yoga ? Kauai uh-oh. once people begin planting more VEGETABLES, they'll start getting HEALTHY too! good health could cause CLEAR THINKING, which might lead to AWARENESS of the source and impact of everyday food choices on both personal health and planet. awareness is likely to result in BREAKING ADDICTIONS to the toxic chemicals in processed foods and then REFUSING to purchase or consume the dangerous packaged/processed/GMO substances which are poisoning the average american eater every day. from there it's inevitable that the innocent vegetable planter will eventually be TRANSFORMED into a happier, healthier person supporting a happier, healthier planet AND will start to INFORM their friends and family about how they got that way, INSPIRING others to plant their own veggies too... (dangerous indeed, hmmm?) 463 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 3:55pm -- Obama's black racist USAG appointee. Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!" Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws." Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New York's million dollar tax evasion. On December 3, 2010, Congress voted to censure Rangel for 11 ethics violations. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi fought removal of Charles B. Rangel from the House Ways and Means Committee. Felony President. 18 USC, Sec. 600. Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity Obama violated the law by trying to buy Joe Sestak off with a political appointment in exchange for not pursuing an election bid to replace Arlen Specter. Obama violated the law by trying to buy former Colorado House Speaker Andrew Romanoff off last fall to see if he'd be interested in an administration job -- instead of running against Sen. Michael Bennet. --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to --- |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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"Leroy N. Soetoro" wrote: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Bass says that she planted the garden after her front yard was torn up for some sewer repairs. Rather than wasting the opportunity to start with a clean slate by planting a lawn, she decided to really put the area to use, and plant a vegetable garden. Her garden consists of 5 raised beds, where she grows a mix of squashes, corn, tomatoes, flowers, and other veggies. Bass received a warning from the city telling her to remove the vegetable garden, because it doesn't adhere to city ordinances (more on that later.) When she refused, she was ticketed and charged with a misdemeanor. Her trial, before a jury, is set to begin on July 26th. If she is found guilty, she can be sentenced to up to 93 days in jail. About the City Ordinance Supposedly, Bass is in noncompliance with a city ordinance that states that only "suitable" plant material is allowed on the lawn area of residences. When local media asked city planner Kevin Rulkowski what that meant, he said suitable means "common:" lawn, nice shrubs, and flowers. However, the city ordinance does not specifically state that those are the only allowed plant materials. About Oak Park This is not some gated community with HOA regulations. This is an ordinary, working class neighborhood in Oakland County, Michigan. Like nearly every other city in my home state right now, Oak Park is facing financial issues. Here at home, people are amazed that a cash-strapped city has the resources to investigate, charge, and prosecute a resident for something as innocuous as planting a vegetable garden. What's Being Done This story is gaining traction all over the web. Gawker covered it this morning. There are Facebook pages devoted to supporting Mrs. Bass and her family during this ordeal. Will social media help change the city's mind? That's what many of us are hoping. Local television affiliates for ABC and Fox news have already covered the story, and media attention continues to grow. How to Help If you want to help support a gardener's right to grow food for her family (even if it is -- gasp -- in the front yard!) there are several things you can do: 1. Email or call officials for the city of Oak Park. Mrs. Bass has listed contact information for the mayor, city manager, and other city officials in the sidebar of her blog. http://oakparkhatesveggies.wordpress.com/ 2. "Like" the Oak Park Hates Veggies Facebook Page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Oak-Park-Hates- Veggies/184553881597878?v=wall 3. Spread the word via Facebook and Twitter. By gaining attention to this particular issue, with this particular homeowner, the hope is that other cities will reconsider before they harass another homeowner for something like this. What do you think? Should a front yard vegetable garden be a crime? Comments: Grommitt Eckhart Michelle Obama put 1100 sq.ft. of vegetable garden on the south lawn of the White House. If it's good enough for the leader of the free world, then what the f**k is wrong with Oakpark? 868 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:08pm Cut and paste from facebook? The Clinton White House apparently used a toxic sludge-based product to fertilize the lawn during the 1990s! Aside from casting a shadow on the first White House vegetable garden since Eleanor Roosevelt resided there, the sludge ensures that Michelle's garden will never attain organic status. Organic certification processes strictly prohibit the use of sludge as a fertilizer substitute. Grommitt EckhartIf GW Bush could get involved with that unfortunate brain- dead woman in Florida, then why can't Ms. First Lady get involved in this? Does someone have her on Twitter? 81 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:31pm. John Russell Posson · E-5 Genorator mechanic at Indiana Army National Guard Here here, and again as i said in reply to a previous poster, TBH IMO a city should not be allowed to say you cant, provided you properly take care of it... 33 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:53pm. Julie Chippindale · Proston, Queensland Michelle Obama may have been allowed to put a garden in but she was NOT allowed to say it was organic as others would then question why!!!! 30 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 2:43pm.View 24 more. Shelley Smith · Traditional Mysore-Style Ashtanga Yoga Instructor at Pineapple Yoga ? Kauai uh-oh. once people begin planting more VEGETABLES, they'll start getting HEALTHY too! good health could cause CLEAR THINKING, which might lead to AWARENESS of the source and impact of everyday food choices on both personal health and planet. awareness is likely to result in BREAKING ADDICTIONS to the toxic chemicals in processed foods and then REFUSING to purchase or consume the dangerous packaged/processed/GMO substances which are poisoning the average american eater every day. from there it's inevitable that the innocent vegetable planter will eventually be TRANSFORMED into a happier, healthier person supporting a happier, healthier planet AND will start to INFORM their friends and family about how they got that way, INSPIRING others to plant their own veggies too... (dangerous indeed, hmmm?) 463 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 3:55pm -- Obama's black racist USAG appointee. Eric Holder, racist black United States Attorney General drops voter intimidation charges against the Black Panthers, "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!" Eric Holder, prejudiced black United States Attorney General settles the hate crime debate, "Whites Not Protected by Hate Crime Laws." Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact, to former House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New York's million dollar tax evasion. On December 3, 2010, Congress voted to censure Rangel for 11 ethics violations. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi fought removal of Charles B. Rangel from the House Ways and Means Committee. Felony President. 18 USC, Sec. 600. Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity Obama violated the law by trying to buy Joe Sestak off with a political appointment in exchange for not pursuing an election bid to replace Arlen Specter. Obama violated the law by trying to buy former Colorado House Speaker Andrew Romanoff off last fall to see if he'd be interested in an administration job -- instead of running against Sen. Michael Bennet. --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to --- -- - Billy America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore /michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/ You put Lloyd Blankfein in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for one six-month term, and all this bullshit would stop, all over Wall Street. That's all it would take. Just once. |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Leroy N. Soetoro" wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Paul |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jailfor Planting a Vegetable Garden
On 7/20/2011 8:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
"Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Charges were dropped. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:29:36 -0500, Jeff M
wrote: On 7/20/2011 8:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Charges were dropped. Good. I'd hardly call planting a vegetable garden "running amuck". |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
Benny Fishhole wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:29:36 -0500, Jeff M wrote: On 7/20/2011 8:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Charges were dropped. Good. I'd hardly call planting a vegetable garden "running amuck". I am not sure, I believe one should obey the rules of the community in which they live. If one lives in the suburbs I can see having rules against owning horses or goats and ordinances for keeping a nice lawn. It can devaluate the neighbors home. If one lives in a condominium, try even having a tomato plant on the back patio without having the associations approval. I can see where the majority wants a certain look and feel to a community. If that person wants to do otherwise they should move somewhere else. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail forPlanting a Vegetable Garden
On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
"Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Nad R" wrote in message
... Benny Fishhole wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:29:36 -0500, Jeff M wrote: On 7/20/2011 8:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Charges were dropped. Good. I'd hardly call planting a vegetable garden "running amuck". I am not sure, I believe one should obey the rules of the community in which they live. If one lives in the suburbs I can see having rules against owning horses or goats and ordinances for keeping a nice lawn. There are very valid health reasons for having rules against keeping horses or pigs or poultry, but having rules for keeping "a nice lawn"? That is simply about control and restriction of choice. It can devaluate the neighbors home. I'd pay more for a place with a decent dry garden rather than a 'nice lawn'. If one lives in a condominium, try even having a tomato plant on the back patio without having the associations approval. I can see where the majority wants a certain look and feel to a community. If that person wants to do otherwise they should move somewhere else. That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. There are communities in which cars are not allowed, like Mackinaw Island in Michigan. There are communities where people have airplanes and small jets with small hangers instead of garages next to there homes with a shared runway. Boating communities. Communities with golf courses. Communities where there are elderly only no kids... Each community with their own flavor, some with grass lawns only. Choose your home, choose your lifestyle. I choose the country where there are few restrictions. When I was a kid. I use to ride my bicycle through Oak Park Michigan to get the Americana Theater. Nice city forty years ago. Today If you ride your bike there... Pedal Fast if you want to keep your bike. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
In article ,
Nad R wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. Bad laws make bad citizens. How does growing a tomato reduce the quality of life for the elderly, or those with a "busy city life style" (whatever that is)? In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. So, freedom only belongs to the landed (wealthy)? This may square with the reality of American history, but certainly not its ideals. Shelly has often flaunted the surface area he controls, in the vain attempt to bask in the envy that it might elicit, but at the end of the day, he is still just Shelly. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. There are communities in which cars are not allowed, like Mackinaw Island in Michigan. There are communities where people have airplanes and small jets with small hangers instead of garages next to there homes with a shared runway. Boating communities. Communities with golf courses. The above refer to zoning laws. Communities where there are elderly only no kids... Each community with their own flavor, some with grass lawns only. Choose your home, choose your lifestyle. Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone) another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners' association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the covenants or even foreclose the property. Restrictive covenants have evolved with some being found to be illegal, i.e. Shelley v. Kraemer. Restrictive covenants that bar the growing of food, that don't involve health risks, make no sense (or worse) in today's world, where a handful of corporations control what we eat. I choose the country where there are few restrictions. With more money comes more choices with fewer restrictions (and more freedom), a plutocracy, if you will, which is indicative of our "Zeit Geist". When I was a kid. I use to ride my bicycle through Oak Park Michigan to get the Americana Theater. Nice city forty years ago. Today If you ride your bike there... Pedal Fast if you want to keep your bike. Where does this come from, and how does it fit into the discussion? Crime changes with time. When there was a large middle class, middle class ethics motivated people. As the middle class disappears, we are left with the ethics of the upper and lower classes who know you only get what you can take. -- - Billy America is not broke. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../michael-moore /michael-moore-says-400-americans-have-more-wealth-/ You put Lloyd Blankfein in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for one six-month term, and all this bullshit would stop, all over Wall Street. That's all it would take. Just once. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
In article
, Billy wrote: In article , Nad R wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. Bad laws make bad citizens. How does growing a tomato reduce the quality of life for the elderly, or those with a "busy city life style" (whatever that is)? In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. So, freedom only belongs to the landed (wealthy)? This may square with the reality of American history, but certainly not its ideals. Shelly has often flaunted the surface area he controls, in the vain attempt to bask in the envy that it might elicit, but at the end of the day, he is still just Shelly. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. There are communities in which cars are not allowed, like Mackinaw Island in Michigan. There are communities where people have airplanes and small jets with small hangers instead of garages next to there homes with a shared runway. Boating communities. Communities with golf courses. The above refer to zoning laws. Communities where there are elderly only no kids... Each community with their own flavor, some with grass lawns only. Choose your home, choose your lifestyle. Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone) another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners' association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the covenants or even foreclose the property. Restrictive covenants have evolved with some being found to be illegal, i.e. Shelley v. Kraemer. Restrictive covenants that bar the growing of food, that don't involve health risks, make no sense (or worse) in today's world, where a handful of corporations control what we eat. I choose the country where there are few restrictions. With more money comes more choices with fewer restrictions (and more freedom), a plutocracy, if you will, which is indicative of our "Zeit Geist". When I was a kid. I use to ride my bicycle through Oak Park Michigan to get the Americana Theater. Nice city forty years ago. Today If you ride your bike there... Pedal Fast if you want to keep your bike. Where does this come from, and how does it fit into the discussion? Crime changes with time. When there was a large middle class, middle class ethics motivated people. As the middle class disappears, we are left with the ethics of the upper and lower classes who know you only get what you can take. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T0L7sZQdKk -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
Billy wrote:
In article , Nad R So, freedom only belongs to the landed (wealthy)? This may square with the reality of American history, but certainly not its ideals. Now that is an interesting thought. I would have to say that is probably true. Those that live in a congested areas probably does have extra rules in order to live with each other. In the boondocks who cares. My little dog barks half the night on the back deck, the dog comes and goes as he pleases. In the city I would be buried in tickets for disturbing the Peace. But I will also say, it is a choice, one can have a home in country with acreage for the same price for a nice home in the city. The city has many conveniences that country life does not and same goes for the country. The city life has more entertainment options, the country has it better gardens and animal options. Communities where there are elderly only no kids... Each community with their own flavor, some with grass lawns only. Choose your home, choose your lifestyle. Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone) another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners' association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the covenants or even foreclose the property. My Uncle that lives in a condo does nothing that changes the look of the area. I have a hard time finding his home, I go there twice a month to visit. They all look alike, they all even have the same white rocking chair porch furniture. When I was a kid. I use to ride my bicycle through Oak Park Michigan to get the Americana Theater. Nice city forty years ago. Today If you ride your bike there... Pedal Fast if you want to keep your bike. Where does this come from, and how does it fit into the discussion? Crime changes with time. When there was a large middle class, middle class ethics motivated people. As the middle class disappears, we are left with the ethics of the upper and lower classes who know you only get what you can take. In the original posted article, the woman that faced 93 days in jail was from Oak Park, Michigan that had that vegetable garden in her front yard. The neighboring city was my childhood stomping ground. I do not know that person or home, but I am familiar with that neighborhood. The last time I rode my bike there, I was chased by a gang of black kids wanting my nice $800 road bike around the 1970's. Paper Routes paid better than one thinks in those days :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Republicanism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jailfor Planting a Vegetable Garden
On 7/20/2011 1:49 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Bass says that she planted the garden after her front yard was torn up for some sewer repairs. Rather than wasting the opportunity to start with a clean slate by planting a lawn, she decided to really put the area to use, and plant a vegetable garden. Her garden consists of 5 raised beds, where she grows a mix of squashes, corn, tomatoes, flowers, and other veggies. Bass received a warning from the city telling her to remove the vegetable garden, because it doesn't adhere to city ordinances (more on that later.) When she refused, she was ticketed and charged with a misdemeanor. Her trial, before a jury, is set to begin on July 26th. If she is found guilty, she can be sentenced to up to 93 days in jail. About the City Ordinance Supposedly, Bass is in noncompliance with a city ordinance that states that only "suitable" plant material is allowed on the lawn area of residences. When local media asked city planner Kevin Rulkowski what that meant, he said suitable means "common:" lawn, nice shrubs, and flowers. However, the city ordinance does not specifically state that those are the only allowed plant materials. About Oak Park This is not some gated community with HOA regulations. This is an ordinary, working class neighborhood in Oakland County, Michigan. Like nearly every other city in my home state right now, Oak Park is facing financial issues. Here at home, people are amazed that a cash-strapped city has the resources to investigate, charge, and prosecute a resident for something as innocuous as planting a vegetable garden. What's Being Done This story is gaining traction all over the web. Gawker covered it this morning. There are Facebook pages devoted to supporting Mrs. Bass and her family during this ordeal. Will social media help change the city's mind? That's what many of us are hoping. Local television affiliates for ABC and Fox news have already covered the story, and media attention continues to grow. How to Help If you want to help support a gardener's right to grow food for her family (even if it is -- gasp -- in the front yard!) there are several things you can do: 1. Email or call officials for the city of Oak Park. Mrs. Bass has listed contact information for the mayor, city manager, and other city officials in the sidebar of her blog. http://oakparkhatesveggies.wordpress.com/ 2. "Like" the Oak Park Hates Veggies Facebook Page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Oak-Park-Hates- Veggies/184553881597878?v=wall 3. Spread the word via Facebook and Twitter. By gaining attention to this particular issue, with this particular homeowner, the hope is that other cities will reconsider before they harass another homeowner for something like this. What do you think? Should a front yard vegetable garden be a crime? Comments: Grommitt Eckhart Michelle Obama put 1100 sq.ft. of vegetable garden on the south lawn of the White House. If it's good enough for the leader of the free world, then what the f**k is wrong with Oakpark? 868 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:08pm Grommitt EckhartIf GW Bush could get involved with that unfortunate brain- dead woman in Florida, then why can't Ms. First Lady get involved in this? Does someone have her on Twitter? 81 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:31pm. John Russell Posson · E-5 Genorator mechanic at Indiana Army National Guard Here here, and again as i said in reply to a previous poster, TBH IMO a city should not be allowed to say you cant, provided you properly take care of it... 33 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 1:53pm. Julie Chippindale · Proston, Queensland Michelle Obama may have been allowed to put a garden in but she was NOT allowed to say it was organic as others would then question why!!!! 30 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 2:43pm.View 24 more. Shelley Smith · Traditional Mysore-Style Ashtanga Yoga Instructor at Pineapple Yoga ? Kauai uh-oh. once people begin planting more VEGETABLES, they'll start getting HEALTHY too! good health could cause CLEAR THINKING, which might lead to AWARENESS of the source and impact of everyday food choices on both personal health and planet. awareness is likely to result in BREAKING ADDICTIONS to the toxic chemicals in processed foods and then REFUSING to purchase or consume the dangerous packaged/processed/GMO substances which are poisoning the average american eater every day. from there it's inevitable that the innocent vegetable planter will eventually be TRANSFORMED into a happier, healthier person supporting a happier, healthier planet AND will start to INFORM their friends and family about how they got that way, INSPIRING others to plant their own veggies too... (dangerous indeed, hmmm?) 463 · Like· Reply · July 8 at 3:55pm |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"George Plimpton" wrote in message ... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Nad R" wrote in message
... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. There are communities in which cars are not allowed, like Mackinaw Island in Michigan. There are communities where people have airplanes and small jets with small hangers instead of garages next to there homes with a shared runway. Boating communities. Communities with golf courses. Communities where there are elderly only no kids... Each community with their own flavor, some with grass lawns only. Choose your home, choose your lifestyle. I choose the country where there are few restrictions. When I was a kid. I use to ride my bicycle through Oak Park Michigan to get the Americana Theater. Nice city forty years ago. Today If you ride your bike there... Pedal Fast if you want to keep your bike. That happens when there is no community spirit left in a place. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? In the US it is illegal to prevent any person of color from living where they want. When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Nad R" wrote in message
... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? Yep, but they were cleverer than calling it that. It was implemented by a 'Dictation test'. Language of test not specified so if anyone of dusky hue who was not wanted applied, they could be given a test in any language. If they did happen to be of a dusky hue but wanted for some reason, then they would/could of course be given the Dictation test in their native language thus guaranteeing admission to our hallowed shores. But we don't have such a thing these day. These days we're not so fussy about colour - except for poor sods who risk life and limb try to come here on boats after paying people smugglers. In the US it is illegal to prevent any person of color from living where they want. When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. You missed the point. Segregation and apartheid were specifically based on skin colour but just because those rules you mention may (note the use of the word 'may') have nothing whatsoever to do with colour, that sort of mindset that was the source of being discriminatory or controlling or restrictive or unwelcoming etc etc, is exactly the same. "We don't want your sort round here". "That sort" might just be someone who wants to grow vegetables, but once you start that sort of silly rule, where do you end? I can certainly understand rules relating to health and safety issues such as those relating to barking dogs, keeping poultry or horses or playing music for more than an short time each day or at excessive noise levels, but growing tomatoes on a deck or in front yard or an insistence on having a 'nice lawn'???? |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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Nad R wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? In the US it is illegal to prevent any person of color from living where they want. But done never the less. http://varbuzz.com/2008-10/discrimination-in-virginia/ The folks at Housing Opportunities Made Equal conducted a “fair housing audit”; they sent people with “similar profiles” (age, income, marital status) to the same rental homes and documented the treatment they received. In two-thirds of the visits — 66 percent — HOME says that white testers were offered lower rent, lower security deposits, lower fees, and shown other available units. Black testers were more likely to be asked for identification to view units, and white testers were more likely to receive follow-up calls. http://mastheadmobile.com/clnew/2010/01/ Despite widely publicized advance warning, a "secret shopper" audit of the Quarter found rampant discrimination in local businesses. Bars had different dress codes, admission charges and drink prices—all based on whether the patron was Black or white. http://www.thelandlordtimes.com/archives/ValleyOct07.pdf According to studies conducted by HUD and the National Fair Housing Alliance, African Americans were discriminated against in one out of every four transactions. Latinos and Asian Americans experienced discrimination in one out of every five transactions. And, Native Americans and people with disabilities experienced discrimination in one out of every two transactions. You can read the study for yourself on the HUD website, www.HUD.gov. Keyword HDS2000. --- And so on, and so forth ad nauseum. When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. Right, overt race restrictive covenants are forbidden now (Shelley v. Kraemer). Now it is all done with a wink and a nod. -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
Billy wrote:
When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. Right, overt race restrictive covenants are forbidden now (Shelley v. Kraemer). Now it is all done with a wink and a nod. But how is it discriminating to require all homes in that community to have a manicured front lawn? -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. Right, overt race restrictive covenants are forbidden now (Shelley v. Kraemer). Now it is all done with a wink and a nod. But how is it discriminating to require all homes in that community to have a manicured front lawn? I suppose it isn't, but it is a restrictive covenant. Can a property owner make whole their ownership of their property? It is clear that a court can remove racial covenants (Shelley v. Kraemer). I suppose the answer is to keep nibbling at the legally questionable edges of the covenant until it becomes so restrictive that the homeowners association is disbanded. Neighbor may even have to learn to talk and cooperate with each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictive_covenant Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone) another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners' association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the covenants or even foreclose the property. Illegal taking of property, perhaps. In any event, here, the ordinance was vague, and merely required the use of usual (common) plants. Does an autocratic, pencil pushing bureaucrat get to be the final judge on what is usual? Intercourse the bureaucrat. -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
Billy wrote:
In article , Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. Right, overt race restrictive covenants are forbidden now (Shelley v. Kraemer). Now it is all done with a wink and a nod. But how is it discriminating to require all homes in that community to have a manicured front lawn? I suppose it isn't, but it is a restrictive covenant. Can a property owner make whole their ownership of their property? It is clear that a court can remove racial covenants (Shelley v. Kraemer). I suppose the answer is to keep nibbling at the legally questionable edges of the covenant until it becomes so restrictive that the homeowners association is disbanded. Neighbor may even have to learn to talk and cooperate with each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictive_covenant Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone) another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners' association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the covenants or even foreclose the property. Illegal taking of property, perhaps. In any event, here, the ordinance was vague, and merely required the use of usual (common) plants. Does an autocratic, pencil pushing bureaucrat get to be the final judge on what is usual? Intercourse the bureaucrat. According to the local news the woman is taking her front veggie garden to a jury trial. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
In article ,
Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. Right, overt race restrictive covenants are forbidden now (Shelley v. Kraemer). Now it is all done with a wink and a nod. But how is it discriminating to require all homes in that community to have a manicured front lawn? I suppose it isn't, but it is a restrictive covenant. Can a property owner make whole their ownership of their property? It is clear that a court can remove racial covenants (Shelley v. Kraemer). I suppose the answer is to keep nibbling at the legally questionable edges of the covenant until it becomes so restrictive that the homeowners association is disbanded. Neighbor may even have to learn to talk and cooperate with each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictive_covenant Some have accused homeowners associations of selective enforcement of these rules, making a case only when it is something (or someone) another person dislikes. Breaking a rule, even unintentionally, can bring fines or even a lien on the home. In extreme cases, a homeowners' association may file a lawsuit against an owner who violates the covenants or even foreclose the property. Illegal taking of property, perhaps. In any event, here, the ordinance was vague, and merely required the use of usual (common) plants. Does an autocratic, pencil pushing bureaucrat get to be the final judge on what is usual? Intercourse the bureaucrat. According to the local news the woman is taking her front veggie garden to a jury trial. I thought I read that charges were dropped? -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
Nad R wrote:
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? No, gone for years. Abolished about the time when colour did make a difference to where people of different skins could live (and work and go to school) in the US. We have huge immigration from Hong Kong, China, Vietnam and some from the rest of Asia, Africa and the Pacific. In the US it is illegal to prevent any person of color from living where they want. When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. We never had that. Despite the so-called white Australia policy quite a lot of non-whites made it to these shores (many Chinese in the 19th century) and once here they went wherever they liked. David |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail forPlanting a Vegetable Garden
On Jul 22, 2:38*am, "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
"George Plimpton" wrote in message ... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. *wrote in message .. . http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011...faces_jail_pla.... _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. *I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. *See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul- It's manslaughter or murder. Not trivial. You don't have to hang tinsel on it to get the legal system's attention. |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:20:43 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"
wrote: Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Paul Actually Pinhead..the Right wants you deranged and dangerous Leftwingers dead, and with a bit of luck, you will be made so, in less than 2 yrs. VBG Gunner -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail forPlanting a Vegetable Garden
On Jul 22, 5:47*am, Nad R wrote:
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. * *It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. *That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? No. That went out long ago. Now immigrants are enriching Australia materially and culturally, just as they enriched the U.S. I remember long ago Australians being ****ed w/Asian immigrants because they worked like dogs; lived 10 to a room behind the business; ended up rich! Meantime, the white Australians lived on welfare that didn't even (AFAIK) have a means test like in the U.S. (we had to work 'n'months out of the year to be eligible for benefits). I met people in Oz who had been living happily on welfare for years. Of course this was years ago -- I spent the summer Down Under during the - was it 1984 Olympics? Around there. So I trust things have changed. Australia is still very cruel to asylum seekers from brutal dictatorships. HB In the US it is illegal to prevent any person of color from living where they want. When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. * -- Enjoy Life... Nad R *(Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:38:51 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"
wrote: "George Plimpton" wrote in message m... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul So those Klanners were Conservative? Odd..the KKK has been the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for 150 yrs. http://www.google.com/search?q=democ...ient=firefox-a Seems as if widdle Pauly Pinhead is apparently gay AND stupid if that was the best attempt he could make. Gunner -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Nad R" wrote in message
... Billy wrote: When they get there they may or not have restrictions on the look of there area they live in. Grass only front lawns, height of antennas, RVs in driveways... That kind of restrictions, not who may move in. Right, overt race restrictive covenants are forbidden now (Shelley v. Kraemer). Now it is all done with a wink and a nod. But how is it discriminating to require all homes in that community to have a manicured front lawn? On the basis of race, it wouldn't be. But that is way too specific an example. It's about making rules that tells anyone who owns a house in that area, what is 'suitable' planting. That is about taste and style. |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
... On Jul 22, 5:47 am, Nad R wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? No. That went out long ago. Now immigrants are enriching Australia materially and culturally, just as they enriched the U.S. I remember long ago Australians being ****ed w/Asian immigrants because they worked like dogs; lived 10 to a room behind the business; ended up rich! Meantime, the white Australians lived on welfare that didn't even (AFAIK) have a means test like in the U.S. __________________________________________ Umemployment benefits have always been means tested. (we had to work 'n'months out of the year to be eligible for benefits). I met people in Oz who had been living happily on welfare for years. Of course this was years ago -- I spent the summer Down Under during the - was it 1984 Olympics? Around there. So I trust things have changed. Australia is still very cruel to asylum seekers from brutal dictatorships. _____________________________________ Australia does the same thing with asylum seekers as does the US. The US puts arriving asylum seekers into mandatory detention until their claim for asylum is assessed. Australia does exactly the same thing. I agree about that being cruel. |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:20:43 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Paul Actually Pinhead..the Right wants you deranged and dangerous Leftwingers dead, and with a bit of luck, you will be made so, in less than 2 yrs. VBG Gunner -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. Let that be a lesson to you Paul. When yo get involved with these cross posting "arschlochs", you can get sucked into a flame war. So let's say good-bye to Herr Arschloch, and get back to gardening. -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Conservatives run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... On Jul 22, 5:47 am, Nad R wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message That is one building so TMWOT it's a bit of a stretch to call it a 'community'. It's hardly community minded to whine or have rules about a person having one tomato plant on their deck. Do not bet on that one... It depends on the association. Some condominiums have very strict rules. Such places are nice for the elderly and those with a busy city lifestyle. I'm quite sure there are places which say they are a 'community' and have extremely strict rules. That does not meant hat they have any idea whatsoever of what 'community' means. In the country where I live there are no such ordinances. I do not even have to mow my lawn and I can have old rusted out cars on my front lawn and no one would say or do anything about it. Well that soudns much better than living some place where anal retentives waffle on about 'nice lawns'. The US has different kinds of communities and I believe those that are like minded should have them. Segregation and apartheid works just like that. If I remember reading many years ago that Australia had a White Only immigration policy. Is that true of today's Australia? No. That went out long ago. Now immigrants are enriching Australia materially and culturally, just as they enriched the U.S. I remember long ago Australians being ****ed w/Asian immigrants because they worked like dogs; lived 10 to a room behind the business; ended up rich! Meantime, the white Australians lived on welfare that didn't even (AFAIK) have a means test like in the U.S. __________________________________________ Umemployment benefits have always been means tested. (we had to work 'n'months out of the year to be eligible for benefits). I met people in Oz who had been living happily on welfare for years. Of course this was years ago -- I spent the summer Down Under during the - was it 1984 Olympics? Around there. So I trust things have changed. Australia is still very cruel to asylum seekers from brutal dictatorships. _____________________________________ Australia does the same thing with asylum seekers as does the US. The US puts arriving asylum seekers into mandatory detention until their claim for asylum is assessed. Australia does exactly the same thing. I agree about that being cruel. Unless they are mass murderers that have worked for the CIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:38:51 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: "George Plimpton" wrote in message om... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011..._jail_planting _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul So those Klanners were Conservative? Odd..the KKK has been the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for 150 yrs. http://www.google.com/search?q=democ...ient=firefox-a And Hitler was a liberal. Seems as if widdle Pauly Pinhead is apparently gay AND stupid if that was the best attempt he could make. I try to match my energy level for the IQ of the reader. Paul |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:19:30 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"
wrote: So those Klanners were Conservative? Odd..the KKK has been the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for 150 yrs. http://www.google.com/search?q=democ...ient=firefox-a And Hitler was a liberal. Liberal? No. Socialist? Yes indeed. In fact..the Nazis were indeed Socialists. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei National Socialist German Workers Party. Liberals are just Almost Socialists. Leftwingers ARE socialists. Seems as if widdle Pauly Pinhead is apparently gay AND stupid if that was the best attempt he could make. I try to match my energy level for the IQ of the reader. Paul So you have kindergardners as readers? Which newsgroup might that be? And why are you trolling for little kids? Hummmm? Gunner -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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"Paul M. Cook" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:38:51 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: "George Plimpton" wrote in message om... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011...es_jail_planti ng _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul So those Klanners were Conservative? Odd..the KKK has been the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for 150 yrs. http://www.google.com/search?q=democ...8&aq=t&rls=org. mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a And Hitler was a liberal. Seems as if widdle Pauly Pinhead is apparently gay AND stupid if that was the best attempt he could make. I try to match my energy level for the IQ of the reader. Paul Paul, if you want to play with the trolls, remove rec.gardens from the newsgroups they post to. It's not rocket science. Go play in another venue. -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul M. Cook" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:38:51 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: "George Plimpton" wrote in message om... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011...es_jail_planti ng _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul So those Klanners were Conservative? Odd..the KKK has been the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for 150 yrs. http://www.google.com/search?q=democ...8&aq=t&rls=org. mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a And Hitler was a liberal. Seems as if widdle Pauly Pinhead is apparently gay AND stupid if that was the best attempt he could make. I try to match my energy level for the IQ of the reader. Paul Paul, if you want to play with the trolls, remove rec.gardens from the newsgroups they post to. It's not rocket science. Go play in another venue. You the new sheriff in town? Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party So politics is OK? Paul |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
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"Paul M. Cook" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul M. Cook" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:38:51 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: "George Plimpton" wrote in message om... On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: "Leroy N. wrote in message ... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011...faces_jail_pla nti ng _veggie_garden.php It just doesn't get more ridiculous than this. Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan -- a mother of 6, law-abiding citizen, and gardener -- is facing 93 days in jail after being charged with a misdemeanor. Her crime? Planting a vegetable garden in the front yard. Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Right - but only because contemporary "liberals" are 100% illiberal. Can't find that word din any dictionary. I sure hope you know what you mean because I doubt anyone else does. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is Standard left-wing policy. See "hate crimes". So tying a young gay man to a fence in Wyoming in winter so he can freeze to death (after a savage beating) is a trivial offense? Paul So those Klanners were Conservative? Odd..the KKK has been the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for 150 yrs. http://www.google.com/search?q=democ...f-8&aq=t&rls=o rg. mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a And Hitler was a liberal. Seems as if widdle Pauly Pinhead is apparently gay AND stupid if that was the best attempt he could make. I try to match my energy level for the IQ of the reader. Paul Paul, if you want to play with the trolls, remove rec.gardens from the newsgroups they post to. It's not rocket science. Go play in another venue. You the new sheriff in town? Do you want to put it to a vote? I'm saying that by leaving rec.gardens in the newsgroup listing, you are forcing the rest of us to navigate around this intellectual cow pies. Does that, or does that not make sense? If you want to yammer at these clowns, all I'm asking is that you be considerate of the rest of the group. You can easily go to alt.california, and flame your little heart out, and they'll love you for it. I've had trouble with this as well. I'll think of the appropriate nasty thing to say, send, and then I remember that I left a group in the "newsgroups" that I had meant to take out. When you see more that 1 or 2 newsgroups listed, you know that you are dealing with a nut case. I've subscribed to alt.california so that I can bring the hope of redemption to some of these knuckle heads. I suggest you do the same. Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party So politics is OK? The politics is in my signature. We put all sorts of things in our signature from profound to silly, and everything in between. Paul -- - Billy Obama is now backing a bipartisan Senate budget plan that would overhaul Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/21/headlines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLNt1IsDOT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFymBUsoNWY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJ2z8BSUPc&feature=youtu.be Vote 3rd Party |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail for Planting a Vegetable Garden
Gunner Asch on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:10:03 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:20:43 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Paul Actually Pinhead..the Right wants you deranged and dangerous Leftwingers dead, I'd say, that "we" want them to stop bothering good people. and with a bit of luck, you will be made so, in less than 2 yrs. If they don't start to behave like grown up adults they may get the rewards of their behavior. VBG Gunner -- pyotr filipivich. Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel, you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel. |
Liberalism run amuck, Michigan Woman Faces 93 Days in Jail forPlanting a Vegetable Garden
On Jul 22, 7:10*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:20:43 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" wrote: Nothing whatsoever liberal about this. *Draconian punishments for trivial offenses is a conservative policy. *For all the bleeting about freedom, the right would see all of us in a prison or at least very close to one. Paul Actually Pinhead..the Right wants you deranged and dangerous Leftwingers dead, and with a bit of luck, you will be made so, in less than 2 yrs. VBG Gunner -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. OMG I just realized this was x-posted to umpty NGs. I never X-post, so hereby seek absolution from the Internet Gods. HB |
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