Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote in news:h0ge379coiq5ouvb674eko8360apc69afc@
4ax.com:

Chris Thompson wrote:

do you have any suggestions for saving the plants he's
got growing _right now_? That would be cool and informative.

Murphy Oil Soap... make a solution of an ounce to a gallon of plain
water and use it to mist your plants. Be sure to spray the undersides
of those huge leaves too, and it wouldn't hurt to drench the soil
around your plants.
http://www.colgate.com/MurphyOilSoap/faqs


Duh. I knew that. And I should have remembered it. Thanks.

Chris

(no sarcasm intended)

In article ,
Chris Thompson wrote:

Billy wrote in
:

In article
,
Pat Kiewicz wrote:

Zootal said:


I'm going to keep a close eye on them for the next few days and see
if I can spot anything eating them.

I suggest a night-time foray with a flashlight. My guesses would be
that your pest is the invasive Asiatic garden beetle. They have only
recently reached the midwest. They feed at night and hide during the
day.

http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/cap...cGardenbtl.htm

Presuming Pat is right, you ,ay want to look at
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/ipm/greenhs/htms/ghsebeetles.htm
The "Integrated Pest MAnagement" approach would have you try the
spring Tiphia wasp, and beneficial nematodes (Heterorhabditis sp.)
first. To avoid killing off beneficial insects.

http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/biocontrol/j_beetle.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2618435/

You don't want to swat fleas with a sledgehammer.

What's the time lag on introducing those biological controls?

Also, not that biological controls introduced into places where they are
not native can have disastrous side-effects. One need only look at Cane
Toads in Australia for a demonstration.

I admit I have not yet read the cites you provided. I am, however,
impressed they come from Ohio State and the NIH. They certainly are going
to contain worthwhile, pertinent info.

If it's going to take months or a year for the bio controls to get up and
running, do you have any suggestions for saving the plants he's got
growing _right now_? That would be cool and informative.

Chris

Agreed, but IF the problem is the Asiatic garden beetle, or Japanese
beetle, the only immediate solution I can think of would be chickens, or
putting a bird feeder in the garden area. Biological controls, which
will only suppress future generations, should be put in place; with the
placement of maple, elm, cherry, tulip or pine trees, which adult wasps
feed on. The wasp will also feed on the nectar of blossoms, such as
forsythia, and on the extra-floral nectaries of peonies. Nematodes such
as Heterorhabditis bacteriophora should be introduced into the
environment, The wasps and the nematodes will suppress the grubs. Milky
Spores and Bt would be other good weapons to use.

The sledgehammer approach has a big downside. Treating fields with an
broad-spectrum insecticide may tip the balance in the favor of potential
pest arthropods. This is because natural enemies recover more slowly
from broad-spectrum insecticides.

The idea is to make the garden supportive of beneficial insects.

All that said, I have serious doubts that the Asiatic garden beetle is
the culprit here, because it is moving west from New England, and has
only recently entered the midwest.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Chris Thompson wrote:

Billy wrote in
:

In article
,
Pat Kiewicz wrote:

Zootal said:


I'm going to keep a close eye on them for the next few days and see
if I can spot anything eating them.

I suggest a night-time foray with a flashlight. My guesses would be
that your pest is the invasive Asiatic garden beetle. They have only
recently reached the midwest. They feed at night and hide during the
day.

http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/cap...cGardenbtl.htm

Presuming Pat is right, you ,ay want to look at
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/ipm/greenhs/htms/ghsebeetles.htm
The "Integrated Pest MAnagement" approach would have you try the
spring Tiphia wasp, and beneficial nematodes (Heterorhabditis sp.)
first. To avoid killing off beneficial insects.

http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/biocontrol/j_beetle.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2618435/

You don't want to swat fleas with a sledgehammer.

What's the time lag on introducing those biological controls?

Also, not that biological controls introduced into places where they are
not native can have disastrous side-effects. One need only look at Cane
Toads in Australia for a demonstration.

I admit I have not yet read the cites you provided. I am, however,
impressed they come from Ohio State and the NIH. They certainly are going
to contain worthwhile, pertinent info.

If it's going to take months or a year for the bio controls to get up and
running, do you have any suggestions for saving the plants he's got
growing _right now_? That would be cool and informative.

Chris

Agreed, but IF the problem is the Asiatic garden beetle, or Japanese
beetle, the only immediate solution I can think of would be chickens, or
putting a bird feeder in the garden area. Biological controls, which
will only suppress future generations, should be put in place; with the
placement of maple, elm, cherry, tulip or pine trees, which adult wasps
feed on. The wasp will also feed on the nectar of blossoms, such as
forsythia, and on the extra-floral nectaries of peonies. Nematodes such
as Heterorhabditis bacteriophora should be introduced into the
environment, The wasps and the nematodes will suppress the grubs. Milky
Spores and Bt would be other good weapons to use.

The sledgehammer approach has a big downside. Treating fields with an
broad-spectrum insecticide may tip the balance in the favor of potential
pest arthropods. This is because natural enemies recover more slowly
from broad-spectrum insecticides.

The idea is to make the garden supportive of beneficial insects.

All that said, I have serious doubts that the Asiatic garden beetle is
the culprit here, because it is moving west from New England, and has
only recently entered the midwest.

Actually, if left alone, their predators will show up, eventually.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote in news:h0ge379coiq5ouvb674eko8360apc69afc@
4ax.com:

Chris Thompson wrote:

do you have any suggestions for saving the plants he's
got growing _right now_? That would be cool and informative.

Murphy Oil Soap... make a solution of an ounce to a gallon of plain
water and use it to mist your plants. Be sure to spray the undersides
of those huge leaves too, and it wouldn't hurt to drench the soil
around your plants.
http://www.colgate.com/MurphyOilSoap/faqs

Seriously? I've never heard of the stuff before, not even sure where around
here to get some. Might have to drive in to the city next week and look
around. I wonder if lemon oil for wood would work?

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:44:53 -0500, Zootal
wrote:

Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote in news:h0ge379coiq5ouvb674eko8360apc69afc@
4ax.com:

Chris Thompson wrote:

do you have any suggestions for saving the plants he's
got growing _right now_? That would be cool and informative.

Murphy Oil Soap... make a solution of an ounce to a gallon of plain
water and use it to mist your plants. Be sure to spray the undersides
of those huge leaves too, and it wouldn't hurt to drench the soil
around your plants.
http://www.colgate.com/MurphyOilSoap/faqs

Seriously? I've never heard of the stuff before, not even sure where around
here to get some. Might have to drive in to the city next week and look
around. I wonder if lemon oil for wood would work?

Murphy Oil Soap is sold in every stupidmarket in the US and most of
the planet... everywhere Colgate Palmolive products are sold.

On Aug 1, 4:26*pm, Zootal wrote:

we have the famous Oregon Slugs here, and yes
they really do grow up to six or eight inches long. And the bigger puppies
can do an amazing amount of damage in just one night!

WA State, South Puget Sound area here, This year I have seen a fair
amount of weevil and slug damage, even among those with an aggressive
IPM program. Yet W/O pics it is only a guess. Do check these two.

Lot of slugs hatching this year.

It took me a month or two to get the weevils under control this
year. Bios no help, soil too cold until 1st third of July. Sevin did
best control, too wet for DE until late summer months here. Just now
dusting with it. Chickens don't help much w/ weevils as their two
different sleep cycles. Neem not so effective on weevils. You might
try cardboard traps if so inclined.

Good luck, hard to find Okra folks up here in the PNW. My other half
will only eat it fried, I can't even sneak it in a gumbo

WA State, South Puget Sound area here, This year I have seen a fair
amount of weevil and slug damage, even among those with an aggressive
IPM program. Yet W/O pics it is only a guess. Do check these two.

Lot of slugs hatching this year.

It took me a month or two to get the weevils under control this
year. Bios no help, soil too cold until 1st third of July. Sevin did
best control, too wet for DE until late summer months here. Just now
dusting with it. Chickens don't help much w/ weevils as their two
different sleep cycles. Neem not so effective on weevils. You might
try cardboard traps if so inclined.

Good luck, hard to find Okra folks up here in the PNW. My other half
will only eat it fried, I can't even sneak it in a gumbo



What do the weevils look like? I don't think I've ever seen them, don't
even know what they look like or where they hide during the day.


I can eat okra day and night....and then eat more...

The plants are alive, but they barely survived childhood. And here it is,
the middle of August, and the weather forecast is 70 and cloudy.

I lost half of my cabbages to cabbage worms. By the time I found them, it
was too late.

I'm pulling 6-8 zucchinni form the garden every day, and my cucumbers have
become an invasive species. Tomatillos exploding from every corner of the
garden. Even the eggplants are huge, which is strange considering how cold
the weather has been here. Some plants like this weather, some don't...

I'm going to keep a close eye on them for the next few days and see if I
can spot anything eating them.

Watch for grasshoppers and leaf cutting bees
Watch at night too, some creatures eat after dark.
--

09=IX

What do the weevils look like? I don't think I've ever seen them, don't
even know what they look like or where they hide during the day.

Weevils are generally beetles with more or less long pointy snouts
--

09=IX

Garrapata wrote in
:


I'm going to keep a close eye on them for the next few days and see if I
can spot anything eating them.

Watch for grasshoppers and leaf cutting bees
Watch at night too, some creatures eat after dark.

I've been going out night and day, and I have yet to see anything eating
them. The sevin stopped the carnage, but it wore off after week or so, and
the defoliation resumed. Between the cold weather and bugs eating the
plants, I'm loosing hope of getting an okra crop this year.

OTOH I'm pulling 6-10 zukes a day from the garden, and the cukes are not
far behind.