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Dan Espen wrote:
(...) Legal problem? He's complaining that someone left something that costs money on his property. Landscapers don't dump gravel that they have to pay for on random lots. Only on those lots with 'unimproved' soil. They figure, apparently that the owner won't be able to tell the difference. The story makes no sense. Lots of true things make no sense. :) --Winston |
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Dan Espen wrote: (...) Legal problem? He's complaining that someone left something that costs money on his property. Landscapers don't dump gravel that they have to pay for on random lots. Only on those lots with 'unimproved' soil. They figure, apparently that the owner won't be able to tell the difference. Uh no. A contractor doesn't just find extra soil on his truck. He buys it at a yard. Not where I live anyway. I don't know where you are but I don't think contractors get free soil anywhere. Even if they got free soil it's not free to put it in your yard. The story makes no sense. Lots of true things make no sense. :) But you're telling a story about a problem you have and claim to want useful answers. Now you are agreeing that your story doesn't make sense... Beats me what's going on. -- Dan Espen |
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Dan Espen wrote:
t writes: (...) Perhaps he was as mystified as I am about why you wanted cracked adobe instead of soil. I'm remediating the adobe. I notice that my shovel is more effective in scooping it up for disposal and remediation if there is no gravel on top of it. If I expose the adobe, it tends to dry, which really lowers the humidity in the house, too. Is the gravel in your area particularly soft? :) But if you didn't want the soil you should not have let them put it down. What was I supposed to do, show up with a gun? :) I did what I could. I told them what I wanted in printed and spoken instructions. I kept shoveling the overburden out and when the contractor had the temerity to ask for a recommendation, I was very silent on the subject. I'm a very enthusiastic supporter of those few businesspeople that just 'do their jobs' and often offer recommendations. Not this time. (...) I find it interesting that these donations coincide with landscaper visits (to neighboring properties) to a high degree. A half inch of gravel got over your fence? Did it rain? Are you down hill? If so, put in a barrier (a low wall). A low wall is unlikely to provide much of a barrier when a 6' fence proved ineffective. Still have no idea what you are trying to do. I'm trying to 'garden'. My first step is to improve the soil from it's current deplorable state. I have begun removing and disposing of the extra clay that was added by my contractor and I'm slowly digging past the original clay and adding mulch. After I have soil, I hope to learn more here about the kinds of solutions you all have developed to problems I'm likely to encounter. My local landfill values the overburden so highly that they will accept nothing less than $200 a yard to allow me to dump it on their lot. (It is not exactly gold, Dan.) (...) I continue to hope that one of my new friends on rec.gardens will be willing to talk about how they: * Converted dusty gravel into a nutritious mulch :) Mulch is not nutritious. It's not meant to be. My smiley indicates that I was joshing about the possibility of changing rock into a material likely to provide fertilizer, temperature moderation and soil enrichment. (I was kidding.) * Traded dusty gravel to a pal that needed road base for a paver project * Found that the county would visit and pull up clean fill dirt as a donation on a monthly basis * Or anything that would allow me to actually work on my garden without having all my time wasted cleaning up someone else's mess :) Still can't figure out how this stuff is getting in your yard from your description. I don't know either. I suspect the use of shovels, however. --Winston |
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Dan Espen wrote:
t writes: Dan Espen wrote: (...) Legal problem? He's complaining that someone left something that costs money on his property. Landscapers don't dump gravel that they have to pay for on random lots. Only on those lots with 'unimproved' soil. They figure, apparently that the owner won't be able to tell the difference. Uh no. A contractor doesn't just find extra soil on his truck. It becomes 'extra' when the job is complete and there is no requirement for the remainder. It is now a very expensive liability. The contractor is not about to load it on his truck and find a safe, legal, moral way to dispose of it if he can merely litter a neighbor's lot with it. It's just faster and cheaper to litter, especially at $200 a yard to toss it. He buys it at a yard. Not where I live anyway. I don't know where you are but I don't think contractors get free soil anywhere. Even if they got free soil it's not free to put it in your yard. Let's do some arithmetic. Half a yard of soil to dispose on a neighbor's unimproved lot: A quarter hour of labor to break on to the property, wheel the soil in, distribute it evenly: About 5 bucks. Done properly, it is more expensive. An hour of labor: $20 10 miles of gas: $4 Entrance fee to a proper disposal site: $100 I figure $124 is more than $5 even ignoring the 'opportunity cost' of tying up a laborer to move the soil to the proper site. The story makes no sense. Lots of true things make no sense. :) But you're telling a story about a problem you have and claim to want useful answers. Yes. Here are more examples: * Tell me how to make it *more* expensive to dump this stuff on my lot than to dispose of it properly (without endangering me or my family). * Tell me who will vacuum this stuff up for free and use it for some noble purpose for the benefit of mankind, monthly. * Tell me how to cheaply convert this stuff into a valuable commodity that I can sell for huge bucks on eBay. :) Now you are agreeing that your story doesn't make sense... Yes. While you're at it, here are some other true things that make no sense: * Why are people buying photovoltaics at more than say 4c per peak watt when the buyback period is much longer than the owner's remaining life expectancy? * Why are people burning diesel to convert corn into alcohol that causes car mileage to decrease? * Why am I expected to drive my car to do practically *anything*. * Why are we so focused on politics when there is not a shred of evidence it makes any difference? There are lots of things like that. :) Beats me what's going on. Check under your ground cover some time. The castoff chunks of concrete debris are courtesy of your local building contractor. Please thank them for their valuable contribution to your savings. :) --Winston |
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Dan Espen wrote: t writes: Dan Espen wrote: (...) Legal problem? He's complaining that someone left something that costs money on his property. Landscapers don't dump gravel that they have to pay for on random lots. Only on those lots with 'unimproved' soil. They figure, apparently that the owner won't be able to tell the difference. Uh no. A contractor doesn't just find extra soil on his truck. It becomes 'extra' when the job is complete and there is no requirement for the remainder. It is now a very expensive liability. The contractor is not about to load it on his truck and find a safe, legal, moral way to dispose of it if he can merely litter a neighbor's lot with it. It's just faster and cheaper to litter, especially at $200 a yard to toss it. If a contractor buys soil at a yard, they can return any unused soil for refund. If you show up with some junk from your yard, they are not going to take it. Yes. While you're at it, here are some other true things that make no sense: How very unhelpful. Beats me what's going on. Check under your ground cover some time. The castoff chunks of concrete debris are courtesy of your local building contractor. Please thank them for their valuable contribution to your savings. :) Burying building materials on a new home site is not done where I live. Sounds like you're in the SouthWest somewhere. Can't say what your laws or practices are. Also don't know how to enrich your "soil", but mulch is a cover meant to keep down weeds. I can assure you there are no building materials buried anywhere on my property. I've been here long enough to know. I've dug just about everywhere on the property in over 30 years. -- Dan Espen |
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Dan Espen wrote:
t writes: (...) If a contractor buys soil at a yard, they can return any unused soil for refund. The labor to load it on his truck and the time and labor cost to drive it to the yard far exceeds the value of the commodity. 'Better to vandalize and flee. Much cheaper and faster. :) If you show up with some junk from your yard, they are not going to take it. I wouldn't even try. Yes. While you're at it, here are some other true things that make no sense: How very unhelpful. :) Beats me what's going on. Check under your ground cover some time. The castoff chunks of concrete debris are courtesy of your local building contractor. Please thank them for their valuable contribution to your savings. :) Burying building materials on a new home site is not done where I live. It's done here all the time. 'Mostly on older, well - established home sites, though. Sounds like you're in the SouthWest somewhere. Can't say what your laws or practices are. Silicon Gulch California. We have laws but our criminals tend to disobey them. Also don't know how to enrich your "soil", but mulch is a cover meant to keep down weeds. That too. I can assure you there are no building materials buried anywhere on my property. I've been here long enough to know. I've dug just about everywhere on the property in over 30 years. Congratulations on your great luck! --Winston |
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Bob F wrote:
(...) If you aren't going to deal with the vandalism, then it's your problem. Yes. And? Did you have a suggestion of how to do that effectively without suffering an accidental fire, accidental smashed window, etc likely to be meted out by these guys if I haul them into court? Do you have some better information about the motivation for the vandalism than I've conjectured here so that I can make it more valuable for them to dump elsewhere? Thanks! --Winston |
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Bob F wrote:
wrote: (...) For them, trespassing and vandalism is just 'business'. I can imagine what they consider 'retaliation'. What a wuss! Ah but an honest, law abiding likable wuss. :) --Winston |
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songbird wrote:
wrote: ... I have a Freecycle ad offering this clean fill but I have no takers. How would you solve this problem? clearly tresspassing, how would you deal with people coming on your property that aren't wanted? My question exactly. Can you talk more about that please? how are they getting through your 6 foot fence? is the gate locked? Yes, with a padlock. It apparently takes them several seconds to open it. The padlock has kept thousands of law abiding folks on their side of the fence. Criminals? Not quite so many. :) --Winston |
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wrote: songbird wrote: wrote: ... I have a Freecycle ad offering this clean fill but I have no takers. How would you solve this problem? clearly tresspassing, how would you deal with people coming on your property that aren't wanted? My question exactly. Can you talk more about that please? how are they getting through your 6 foot fence? is the gate locked? Yes, with a padlock. It apparently takes them several seconds to open it. The padlock has kept thousands of law abiding folks on their side of the fence. Criminals? Not quite so many. :) --Winston 12 gauge shotgon.Preferable pump with 4 magnum shots. Enjoy. |
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