gregz wrote:
"Bob F" wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in.
To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her
cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

I put my cats out all the time, tied.
They look forward to it.
It requires certain precautions.

Greg

I'll add. They like me sitting with them outdoors. They can enjoy walks on
a leash.
Not all cats adapt well.

Greg

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in.
To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her
cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow
veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild
animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like
keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of
life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a
cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in.
To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her
cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow
veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild
animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like
keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of
life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a
cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug.

Forget cats, I have raccoons, and put down chicken wire to discourage
them.

--
Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg
or
E Pluribus Unum
Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running

On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in.
To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her
cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors
have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and
without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence
their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and
pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are
appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat
from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at
home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s).

David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her
suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are
naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping
them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive,
but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in
almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by
a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily
dug.

Well, there you are. In my case, I see millions of pitiful little (furry and
otherwise) creatures freezing and starving ivery Winter, and forced to watch
their children freeze and starve before them) All done by a pitiless and
uncaring God who created this miserable mess and yet is, "worshipped" (in
abject fear) by billions of stupid folk. So, in my own small way, I try to
do what I can to help at least the few that I find in my limited area. I
could care less how they treat my potted plants. So, to each his own. I am
truely sorry for your plants, and I understand your position completely. Its
a pity that you can't understand mine.

Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her
suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them
alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats
quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats
has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the
tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I
suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope
they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat.
Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to
accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I
also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything
outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful
insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before
eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop,
as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before
eating it.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in.
To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her
cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors
have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and
without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence
their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and
pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are
appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat
from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at
home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s).

When you get to your heaven, find a black cat named, "B-K" and ask him if he
would rather have lived twice as long in a cage.....

On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her
suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them
alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats
quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats
has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the
tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I
suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope
they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat.
Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to
accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I
also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything
outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful
insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before
eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop,
as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before
eating it.


The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for
their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden.

Birds do not dig toilets.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1
wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in
her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps
them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality
beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral
cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one
of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer
months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to
migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try
and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any
house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another
house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and
don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that
anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as
well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled
wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't
matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he
washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it.


The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for
their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden.

Birds do not dig toilets.

But this is one of the nicest things about cats... The facy yhat they bury
their droppings. Dogs don't do this. In fact, very few other animals do
this. And, it constitutes great fertilizer for the plants, too. The repair
process is minimal. It would only take a few minutes a day to clean up after
a half dozen cats. Most of our cats,use the cat box we keep inside the
house, even though they have access to the outside 24/7. Even the former
feral cat hardly ever goes outside. Have you tried putting a cat box near
your plants? I bet whichever cat is "destroying" your plants would love to
use it....

On 10/30/2012 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her
suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them
alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats
quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats
has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the
tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I
suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope
they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house
cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat
to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team
up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows
anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of
other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies
thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing
off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably)
cooks everything before eating it.

lion prides in the wild cooperate in hunting all the time.

chaniarts wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1
wrote:
Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in
her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps
them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality
beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral
cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one
of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer
months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to
migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try
and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house
cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house
cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't,
"team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone
who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a
myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all
his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter
whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it
off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it.

lion prides in the wild cooperate in hunting all the time.

Yes. They are one of the exceptions. Cheetas also will team up with their
brothers, sometimes for life. but house cats seldom team up for anything.
Although sometimes I will catch two of mine chasing a strange cat away from
our property, and they occasionally will tear into an unopened bag of dry
food on my kitchen floor... Usually, however, one will do all the work, and
the others will just watch and wait until they can take their share of the
booty.....

Rick wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:41:59 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1
wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in
her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps
them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality
beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral
cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one
of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer
months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to
migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try
and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any
house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another
house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and
don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that
anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as
well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled
wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't
matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he
washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it.

I hope I'm not out of line here and that you've had the talk with your
dad- All big turkeys come from little turkeys and little turkeys come
from eggs that are laid in nests on the ground. The added pedators
seem to have overwhelmed the local turkeys. The adults are fine. I
have barn cats that do good work for me, but they can't breed and
don't hang out in the woods killing anything that moves for the fun of
it; which is the nature of domestic cats.

I had one that didn't kill his toys... He just brought them in the house and
let them go, so he could play with them. We had a chipmonk living in our
kitchen, under the stove, for about two months last Winter. My wife left
squirrel food out for it and water... I thought it was going to be a
permanent pet, but as soon as Spring rolled around, I left the sliding glass
door open a few inches and it escaped back outside. I don't know how my cat
caught it to begin with. Chipmonks are as fast as anything I have ever seen.
This one would run across the kitchen floor so fast you couldn't see it even
if you were looking at it.....

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:41:59 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1
wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in
her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps
them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality
beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral
cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one
of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer
months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to
migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try
and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any
house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another
house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and
don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that
anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as
well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled
wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't
matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he
washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it.

I hope I'm not out of line here and that you've had the talk with your
dad- All big turkeys come from little turkeys and little turkeys come
from eggs that are laid in nests on the ground. The added pedators
seem to have overwhelmed the local turkeys. The adults are fine. I
have barn cats that do good work for me, but they can't breed and
don't hang out in the woods killing anything that moves for the fun of
it; which is the nature of domestic cats.

I had one that didn't kill his toys... He just brought them in the house
and let them go, so he could play with them. We had a chipmonk living in
our kitchen, under the stove, for about two months last Winter. My wife
left squirrel food out for it and water... I thought it was going to be a
permanent pet, but as soon as Spring rolled around, I left the sliding
glass door open a few inches and it escaped back outside. I don't know how
my cat caught it to begin with. Chipmonks are as fast as anything I have
ever seen. This one would run across the kitchen floor so fast you
couldn't see it even if you were looking at it.....

And they are a source of hantavirus, a fatal human condition. People in my
state have died this year from it, and I was tested after becoming sick
after cleaning out my shed. Blood culture tests negative, but threat was
real enough for ER to notify CDC Atlanta. You were doing something
dangerous by keeping it inside. All the time, it was urinating and
defecating behind the cabinets. They are filthy animals that will crap in
their own food.

Steve

In article ,
"Steve B" wrote:

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:41:59 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1
wrote:

Gas Bag wrote:

She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting
in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid
of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in
her suburb.

Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out.


Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being
outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be
happy. Safe counts but so does happy.

And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach.

Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If
you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats
are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free".
Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps
them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality
beats quantity in almost evry case.


The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up
by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and
easily dug.

Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral
cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one
of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer
months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to
migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try
and deal with it.

The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any
house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another
house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and
don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that
anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as
well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled
wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't
matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he
washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it.

I hope I'm not out of line here and that you've had the talk with your
dad- All big turkeys come from little turkeys and little turkeys come
from eggs that are laid in nests on the ground. The added pedators
seem to have overwhelmed the local turkeys. The adults are fine. I
have barn cats that do good work for me, but they can't breed and
don't hang out in the woods killing anything that moves for the fun of
it; which is the nature of domestic cats.

I had one that didn't kill his toys... He just brought them in the house
and let them go, so he could play with them. We had a chipmonk living in
our kitchen, under the stove, for about two months last Winter. My wife
left squirrel food out for it and water... I thought it was going to be a
permanent pet, but as soon as Spring rolled around, I left the sliding
glass door open a few inches and it escaped back outside. I don't know how
my cat caught it to begin with. Chipmonks are as fast as anything I have
ever seen. This one would run across the kitchen floor so fast you
couldn't see it even if you were looking at it.....

And they are a source of hantavirus, a fatal human condition. People in my
state have died this year from it, and I was tested after becoming sick
after cleaning out my shed. Blood culture tests negative, but threat was
real enough for ER to notify CDC Atlanta. You were doing something
dangerous by keeping it inside. All the time, it was urinating and
defecating behind the cabinets. They are filthy animals that will crap in
their own food.

Steve

We had a baby squirrel. Cute little thing. Even got her a rabies shot,
but then she grew up, and then one day she stopped coming round.

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Welcome to the New America.
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Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala
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