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ID Palm-like tree
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.
Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg |
ID Palm-like tree
Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Very hard to see much in that photo, even if using a phone or similar low tech camera you can make your pictures better by *not* shooting into the light. Also try to get some close-ups showing more detail of leaves, buds, flowers etc, as well as the general one. My guess is a yucca. David |
ID Palm-like tree
On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg I don't know about the "palm", but I am sure the other one is NOT an ash. I have an ash. The seeds are slightly similar to the keys of a maple, dry with a wing; there are no berries. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
ID Palm-like tree
Guv Bob said:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg It's not a 'palm' but perhaps some sort of Dracena or Yucca. Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg That's not a green ash (Fraxinus pennsylvanica) or evergreen ash (F. uhdei). Fraxinus sp. do not have berries. It's possible that it's some sort of Sorbus (mountain ash). -- Pat in Plymouth MI "Yes, swooping is bad." email valid but not regularly monitored |
ID Palm-like tree
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"Guv Bob" writes: Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Not sure what it is, but it looks like it should be related to yucca. -- In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. -- Ambrose Bierce |
ID Palm-like tree
On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg Does the "palm" have a onion-like bulbous base on the surface of the soil? If so, it might be a ponytail palm (Nolina recurvata). Wikipedia says that Nolina recurvata is now known as Beaucarnea recurvata. The plant might instead be some other species of Nolina or Beaucarnea. Some botanists place the both genera in the agave family; others place them in the asparagus family. (This is easily understood when you notice that a young flower stalk of an agave starts out looking like a giant asparagus spear.) Today, during my usual Tuesday morning shift as a docent at Gardens of the World (Thousand Oaks, CA), I notice the trunk of the young ponytail palm in the Japanese Garden resembled your "palm" photo. They both have the same banding around the trunk and similar leaves. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
ID Palm-like tree
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...
On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote: Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg Does the "palm" have a onion-like bulbous base on the surface of the soil? If so, it might be a ponytail palm (Nolina recurvata). Wikipedia says that Nolina recurvata is now known as Beaucarnea recurvata. The plant might instead be some other species of Nolina or Beaucarnea. Some botanists place the both genera in the agave family; others place them in the asparagus family. (This is easily understood when you notice that a young flower stalk of an agave starts out looking like a giant asparagus spear.) Today, during my usual Tuesday morning shift as a docent at Gardens of the World (Thousand Oaks, CA), I notice the trunk of the young ponytail palm in the Japanese Garden resembled your "palm" photo. They both have the same banding around the trunk and similar leaves. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary Thanks David. I checked out all the types you mention. Definitely not ponytail palm - leaves are all stiff and don't hang down, and no enlarged shapes at the ground. Will keep looking and post when I find out. Any idea of a ID website for these types of plants? Lots of them for oaks, pines, etc., but I don't see much for desert plants. |
ID Palm-like tree
Guv Bob wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ... On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote: Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg Does the "palm" have a onion-like bulbous base on the surface of the soil? If so, it might be a ponytail palm (Nolina recurvata). Wikipedia says that Nolina recurvata is now known as Beaucarnea recurvata. The plant might instead be some other species of Nolina or Beaucarnea. Some botanists place the both genera in the agave family; others place them in the asparagus family. (This is easily understood when you notice that a young flower stalk of an agave starts out looking like a giant asparagus spear.) Today, during my usual Tuesday morning shift as a docent at Gardens of the World (Thousand Oaks, CA), I notice the trunk of the young ponytail palm in the Japanese Garden resembled your "palm" photo. They both have the same banding around the trunk and similar leaves. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary Thanks David. I checked out all the types you mention. Definitely not ponytail palm - leaves are all stiff and don't hang down, and no enlarged shapes at the ground. Will keep looking and post when I find out. Any idea of a ID website for these types of plants? Lots of them for oaks, pines, etc., but I don't see much for desert plants. It isn't necessarily a desert plant, there are quite a few with strappy leafs like that from sub-tropical and forest regions. Similarly 'palms' or palm-looking plants don't all come from tropical islands, some grow quite well in areas where there is frost in winter, some in arid conditions and some in wet. I suggest getting some better photos and then going through the suggestions that have been given to you on google images to compare the pics with named examples until you find a match. Did you look up 'yucca' or any of the others mentioned? There are several web-based search engines designed for the purpose of identifying plants, eg: http://www.colby.edu/info.tech/BI211/PlantFamilyID.html However these require more information than you seem to have. D |
ID Palm-like tree
On 1/29/2014 4:51 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
some grow quite well in areas where there is frost in winter, some in arid conditions and some in wet No doubt about that -- I saw palms (real palms) growing in coastal western Scotland when I was hiking there. I was wet and freezing my arse off in the cold rain and wind but the trees didn't seem to care. |
ID Palm-like tree
On 1/28/2014 12:24 AM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Palm-Trees |
ID Palm-like tree
"Guv Bob" wrote in message m... Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg More photos. Maybe a little better quality. 15-ft tall. Close up of trunk. http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg 4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg 8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy weather. http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg |
ID Palm-like tree
Guv Bob wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in message m... Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg More photos. Maybe a little better quality. 15-ft tall. Close up of trunk. http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg 4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg 8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy weather. http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of yuccas? D |
ID Palm-like tree
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ...
Guv Bob wrote: "Guv Bob" wrote in message m... Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg More photos. Maybe a little better quality. 15-ft tall. Close up of trunk. http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg 4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg 8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy weather. http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of yuccas? D Yes, many images. I think you're right. This yucca elephantipes looks about as close to mine as I could find... http://www.execuflora.co.za/products/bigstuff/BST013 To give an idea of how fast they have grown, the one with 6 limbs grew from 2-ft to 8-ft in 20 years. The tallest one grew from 5 to 15 ft in the same time. The berries are about 1/2-inch diameter, are green when they fall and then turn orange. Thanks for the fun discovery trip, everybody! |
ID Palm-like tree
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Guv Bob wrote: Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg More photos. Maybe a little better quality. 15-ft tall. Close up of trunk. http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg 4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg 8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy weather. http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of yuccas? That's a terrible photo but it could be a joshua tree (which is Yucca brevifolia), just saying a possiblity, the photo truly sucks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_brevifolia That's definitely not any kind of ash tree I've ever seen... from that photo it looks more like [part of] a shrub than any tree. |
ID Palm-like tree
"Brooklyn1" wrote in message ... David Hare-Scott wrote: Guv Bob wrote: Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast. Palm tree on hill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg More photos. Maybe a little better quality. 15-ft tall. Close up of trunk. http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg 4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg 8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy weather. http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of yuccas? That's a terrible photo but it could be a joshua tree (which is Yucca brevifolia), just saying a possiblity, the photo truly sucks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_brevifolia That's definitely not any kind of ash tree I've ever seen... from that photo it looks more like [part of] a shrub than any tree. ;O) |
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