On 2/10/2015 10:41 PM, T wrote:
On 02/10/2015 05:55 AM, Frank wrote:
On 2/9/2015 8:30 PM, T wrote:
On 02/08/2015 09:43 AM, Frank wrote:
Who would have thunk it?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html





Hi Frank,

This may be the worst scandal in scientific history, but unfortunately
not the first:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

"Lysenkoism is used metaphorically to describe the manipulation
or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a
predetermined conclusion as dictated by an ideological bias,
often related to social or political objectives"

Anyone that disagreed with Lysenko simply disappeared. With
this scandal, you just get public ridicule and lose your job.

Politics needs to butt out of science.

-T

Exactly.

Also having worked most of my life in R&D I can tell you that scientists
will lie to give their bosses the results they want and advance their
own careers.

Frank

Hi Frank,

You and I are going to catch hell from the ideologues.
It is like discussing religion. Religion and politics
need to butt out of science.

Did you notice that the source you cited got character
assassinated? This is what happens when political correctness
rules science (Lysenkoism).

-T (A.K.A. Todd)

Ad hominem attacks are a normal knee jerk response.
I noticed it, expected it, and ignored it.

Frank

On 12/02/2015 12:14 AM, Frank wrote:
On 2/10/2015 10:41 PM, T wrote:
On 02/10/2015 05:55 AM, Frank wrote:
On 2/9/2015 8:30 PM, T wrote:
On 02/08/2015 09:43 AM, Frank wrote:
Who would have thunk it?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html






Hi Frank,

This may be the worst scandal in scientific history, but unfortunately
not the first:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

"Lysenkoism is used metaphorically to describe the manipulation
or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a
predetermined conclusion as dictated by an ideological bias,
often related to social or political objectives"

Anyone that disagreed with Lysenko simply disappeared. With
this scandal, you just get public ridicule and lose your job.

Politics needs to butt out of science.

-T

Exactly.

Also having worked most of my life in R&D I can tell you that scientists
will lie to give their bosses the results they want and advance their
own careers.

Frank

Hi Frank,

You and I are going to catch hell from the ideologues.
It is like discussing religion. Religion and politics
need to butt out of science.

Did you notice that the source you cited got character
assassinated? This is what happens when political correctness
rules science (Lysenkoism).

-T (A.K.A. Todd)

Ad hominem attacks are a normal knee jerk response.
I noticed it, expected it, and ignored it.

And whilst basking in that warm glow, you still failed, as usual, to
provide any credible cites.