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Tomatoes - breaking my oath
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce.
But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 2/03/2015 12:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. I'm not even in the same country as you but we get hot and dry summers and my SO says that California always reminds him of Aus, and especially the Napa Valley so perhaps...... I always plant Grosse Lisse. Every year without fail for decades they are included in the tomato mix even though we also plant other varieties. We like Grosse Lisse for the flavour in salads and fresh and, when I do manage to get a glut, which is not as often as I'd like due to the usual vagaries of the seasons, they are good for preserving too. Grosse Lisse is now considered an Heirloom variety and I don't know where you might find it in the US even though I've recently read that it started life in the US and then went world wide (but then I've also read that it started it's life in France too and that it's now more grown in Australia than it is in France) Failing Grosse Lisse, I also like Roma and the cherry tomatoes called Tommy Toe. |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 02/03/15 01:06, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA In the uk.rec.gardening NG,. one of your upstate NY compatriots very recently suggested http://www.tomatoville.com as a useful site for those interested in growing tomatoes. -- Jeff |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA In the uk.rec.gardening NG,. one of your upstate NY compatriots very recently suggested http://www.tomatoville.com as a useful site for those interested in growing tomatoes. A web search came up with this company - California based ? http://store.tomatofest.com/category...how=10&page=10 John T. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
hubops wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. Stop blaming others for your lack of discipline. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. I would ask for recommendations from a few of the seed purveyers. However the quality and intensity of produce flavor has little to do with which seeds, it is primarilly dependant on the grower's physical efforts and expenditure of personal resources. Southern Cal is blessed with generally lousy soil, you will need to invest in improving your soil and do the sweat labor... in other words you'll reap what you sow. |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
Fran Farmer wrote:
On 2/03/2015 12:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote: I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. I'm not even in the same country as you but we get hot and dry summers and my SO says that California always reminds him of Aus, and especially the Napa Valley so perhaps...... I always plant Grosse Lisse. Every year without fail for decades they are included in the tomato mix even though we also plant other varieties. We like Grosse Lisse for the flavour in salads and fresh and, when I do manage to get a glut, which is not as often as I'd like due to the usual vagaries of the seasons, they are good for preserving too. Grosse Lisse is now considered an Heirloom variety and I don't know where you might find it in the US even though I've recently read that it started life in the US and then went world wide (but then I've also read that it started it's life in France too and that it's now more grown in Australia than it is in France) Failing Grosse Lisse, I also like Roma and the cherry tomatoes called Tommy Toe. Grosse Lisse is apparently sold by http://tatianastomatobase.com/seed-catalog/html/ which appears to be a Canadian company. I've not dealt with them. |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 2/03/2015 12:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. Isn't anyone who lives in the same country going to tell him what tomatoes they grow and why they like them? I've done my bit and I don't even live in the same country as HN. |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
Once upon a time on usenet Fran Farmer wrote:
On 2/03/2015 12:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote: I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. I'm not even in the same country as you but we get hot and dry summers and my SO says that California always reminds him of Aus, and especially the Napa Valley so perhaps...... I always plant Grosse Lisse. Every year without fail for decades they are included in the tomato mix even though we also plant other varieties. We like Grosse Lisse for the flavour in salads and fresh and, when I do manage to get a glut, which is not as often as I'd like due to the usual vagaries of the seasons, they are good for preserving too. Grosse Lisse is now considered an Heirloom variety and I don't know where you might find it in the US even though I've recently read that it started life in the US and then went world wide (but then I've also read that it started it's life in France too and that it's now more grown in Australia than it is in France) Failing Grosse Lisse, I also like Roma and the cherry tomatoes called Tommy Toe. I second Gross Lisse. It's always been the standout variety (here in my northern New Zealand garden) to the point that this year it's the only variety I've planted. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 03/02/2015 09:55 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
I would ask for recommendations from a few of the seed purveyers. However the quality and intensity of produce flavor has little to do with which seeds, it is primarilly dependant on the grower's physical efforts and expenditure of personal resources. Hi Higgs, This is my experience too. I would add "Vine Ripening" them too. Even a hybrid tomato tastes extraordinary if you grow them in healthy organic soil full of compost and worms! You must taste good tomatoes again. They are a real treat! -T |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 03/01/2015 05:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB Please let us all know what you finally settle on! |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 8:06:32 PM UTC-5, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB I am not in a similar climate, but I've been growing my own plants from seed for many years. My choices are based on flavor mostly. 1) Cherokee purple, There seem to be different strains of this old heirloom. My favorite is from Park's Seed co. 2)tie for yellow toms Yellow Brandywine Russian orange 3) Pineapple, beautiful red/yellow striped, very sweet 4) sweet 100, small salad toms, highly productive. 1 plant per person will yield a glut of small toms for juicing. Just my $.02 worth, Steve |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB I am not in a similar climate, but I've been growing my own plants from seed for many years. My choices are based on flavor mostly. 1) Cherokee purple, There seem to be different strains of this old heirloom. My favorite is from Park's Seed co. 2)tie for yellow toms Yellow Brandywine Russian orange 3) Pineapple, beautiful red/yellow striped, very sweet 4) sweet 100, small salad toms, highly productive. 1 plant per person will yield a glut of small toms for juicing. Just my $.02 worth, Steve What climate are you in Steve ? ... not that it's the prime factor .. The recommendations are always appreciated. John T. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
Steve Peek wrote:
.... 4) sweet 100, small salad toms, highly productive. 1 plant per person will yield a glut of small toms for juicing. we usually have two sweet100s and when we have extras we'll throw them in with the juicing tomatoes (beefsteak), but the seeds are smaller and come through the food mill screen. oh well, they're still good and the added sweetness gives the beefsteaks a bump too. i tried juicing them alone once and i could not really taste much tomatoey goodness so i never did it again. sweet yes, but otherwise bland. maybe i'm too used to the beefsteak flavor instead. songbird |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 1:07:40 PM UTC-5, hubops wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB I am not in a similar climate, but I've been growing my own plants from seed for many years. My choices are based on flavor mostly. 1) Cherokee purple, There seem to be different strains of this old heirloom. My favorite is from Park's Seed co. 2)tie for yellow toms Yellow Brandywine Russian orange 3) Pineapple, beautiful red/yellow striped, very sweet 4) sweet 100, small salad toms, highly productive. 1 plant per person will yield a glut of small toms for juicing. Just my $.02 worth, Steve What climate are you in Steve ? .. not that it's the prime factor .. The recommendations are always appreciated. John T. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- I'm in Western NC, SE USA. We're frost free from mid-May through mid-October. |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
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Hypatia Nachshon writes: I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) When I was in San Jose (not the same, but some similarities), I still had Celebrity as my standard, and it did just fine. Beefsteaks aren't my thing this century, so the flavor is not easy to recall or comment on. And my climate these days (western Ohio) is nothing like yours, for which we are probably both thankful. Just (about a month past intention) planted the tomato seeds today -- Black Plum, Amish Paste, and Opalka. I love Black Plum. Amish Paste (ox heart) is on it's 3rd year of probation, but those years have each had problems so I'm not ready to kick it out. Opalka (also ox heart) is a new one. I've read good things online, but not tasted them. Cheapskate moment: While planting the seeds, I checked the packet dates (for the repeats). This is the 4th year of planting on one ($3) packet of Black Plum, and I've had 8-10 plants each year. Still have a few seeds left for next year as well. Last year, I think I had 19 sprouts from 20 seeds. Seed Saver's stuff does well, at least when stored in a refrigerator. -- Drew Lawson | We were taking a vote when | the ground came up and hit us. | -- Cylon warrior |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 3/03/2015 8:51 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Fran Farmer wrote: On 2/03/2015 12:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote: I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. I'm not even in the same country as you but we get hot and dry summers and my SO says that California always reminds him of Aus, and especially the Napa Valley so perhaps...... I always plant Grosse Lisse. Every year without fail for decades they are included in the tomato mix even though we also plant other varieties. We like Grosse Lisse for the flavour in salads and fresh and, when I do manage to get a glut, which is not as often as I'd like due to the usual vagaries of the seasons, they are good for preserving too. Grosse Lisse is now considered an Heirloom variety and I don't know where you might find it in the US even though I've recently read that it started life in the US and then went world wide (but then I've also read that it started it's life in France too and that it's now more grown in Australia than it is in France) Failing Grosse Lisse, I also like Roma and the cherry tomatoes called Tommy Toe. I second Gross Lisse. It's always been the standout variety (here in my northern New Zealand garden) to the point that this year it's the only variety I've planted. Yaaaaaahhh! So nice to meet another fan online! |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On 4/03/2015 12:17 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
Beefsteaks aren't my thing this century, so the flavor is not easy to recall or comment on. My objection to all of the beefsteaks is that they have all seemed to have a large white section remaining in them up around the stem end for far too long. None of the Italo-Australian families round here will grow or use them because of that white patch. The Italo-Australians round here still do the HUGE Passata bottling day annually where hundreds of bottles are produced so the toms they use are always a good indicators for quality toms IME. |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-8, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 2/03/2015 12:06 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote: I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. Isn't anyone who lives in the same country going to tell him what tomatoes they grow and why they like them? I've done my bit and I don't even live in the same country as HN. Thanks, Fran. Appreciate all the input. Geographic boundaries matter less than climate/soil/water,etc. so shout-outs from Down Under always welcome. My soil is pretty good, per T's comment, and I do amend several times a year when the City offers free compost. Note that Fran said "hot, dry summers". Ours are dry, but not hot; fairly mild, at least until climate change really became noticeable. With our water rates going WAY up (fierce citizen opposition to the Council's actions) I hope summer/fall crops don't need too much more water! Still making up mind. Have been to Lisse sites; under active consideration.. A number of kind NG members have posted kudos for sweet, juicing, etc. All desirable qualities, but I emphasized SHARP, ACIDIC. Drew Lawson in similar climate to mine mentioned Celebrity, a standard on So. Calif coastal. I've tried it a few times; ok, but...I want to be adventurous this year, tomato-wise. I'm not into BIG tomatoes, nor do I have much experience -- like zero -- with Heirlooms. Have read some mildly snarky comments on the "Heirloom mystic" but have no experience to contribute. One thing I WILL do this year, starting NOW is get my *** in gear so I don't rush out & buy plants at the last moment instead of sowing seed. Any more sharp-acidic recommendations welcome. Thanks to all HB |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 5:06:32 PM UTC-8, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB UPDATE: Earlier inquiry led to tomato "Hank" which led to database "Folia". Any of Hon. members dealt with "Folia"? Your experience? TIA HB |
If you need any help in growing the perfect tomatoe, this article will hit the spot. From the UK so I hope the advice they give is applicable where you are.
Growing tomatoes: 20 tips for tasty fruit | Life and style | The Guardian Tree LC Tree surgery Horsham |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:52:48 AM UTC-7, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 5:06:32 PM UTC-8, Hypatia Nachshon wrote: I swore I was going to give up veg gardening; small family; buy organic produce. But prices so high, and taste not all that great, reconsidering. No point in buying tomato seeds from local nurseries; they'll just produce more tasteless fruit. So I'm taking "short cut" around research by asking NG members in similar climates (So. Calif coastal) for names of sharp, acidic tomatoes. Already OK to plant here so want to order seeds pronto) Appreciate your experienced-based recommendations. TIA HB UPDATE: Earlier inquiry led to tomato "Hank" which led to database "Folia". Any of Hon. members dealt with "Folia"? Your experience? TIA HB Search for sharp acid tomatoes ended in Canadian site ***** "Tatiana's TOMATObase - Heritage Tomatoes - Tatiana's ... tatianastomatobase.com/ July 2011. We are a Garden Watchdog Top 5 Tomato Seed company. ... Please buy seeds from Tatiana's TOMATObase Seed Store to support our mission." ***** After extensive email corresp. with patient Tatiana, (I emphasized my local growing conditions) I ordered 3 varieties with such charming names! 1. Grosse Lisse, (also recommended by some NG members) 2. Bulgarian, Tozala Egpu 3. Costuluto Fioretino Novoli Will be fascinating to see what develops, providing enough germinate and all goes well. Due to my chronic dithering, it is late in our season (So. Coastal CA) to sow seeds instead of putting in plants from nursery, but whatthehey, live dangerously! Question: I was suprised to see following envelope labels: #1 from 2014 crop #2 from 2013 crop #3 from 2012 crop Wondering if that means that #2 and #3 were unsuccessful so they're still selling "older seeds. HB |
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Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 4:29:30 PM UTC-7, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 11:18:38 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote: On 4/1/2015 7:22 PM, wrote: Question: I was suprised to see following envelope labels: #1 from 2014 crop #2 from 2013 crop #3 from 2012 crop Wondering if that means that #2 and #3 were unsuccessful so they're still selling "older seeds. Possibly, but probably not. More likely it means they had sufficient seed remaining from the previous crop years that they didn't bother purchasing more, they just re-tested the older seed and updated the labeling for the packets. That's why you generally see the phrase 'packed for' on the label. Tomato seeds retain their viability for many years, incidentally. Also, most retail seed providers don't grow their own, they purchase from third-party sources. I worked for a regional seed company years ago. We were the distributors of bulk seeds from many major and minor seed companies. If you wanted to buy any of their seeds in bulk, you didn't buy direct from the producers, you bought from one of their regional distributors. They sold us the same seed they sold to all the companies that package and sell the very same seeds under their private labels. Burpee, Ferry-Morse, etc. - as long as it's the same variety name, it's all the same seeds coming from the same sources. Only the package and the price differ. Dern! How depressing! From the aura surrounding Tatiana's Web site (part of which I quoted above), I really got the impression that it was an in-house operation, not that they bought from wholesalers for resale. Especially since these seeds sounded "exotic"; not the familiar brands carried by most nurseries. Sigh! Guess I'll have to wait till (a) they germinate and (b) bear fruit, probably well into summer. (beats up self) Should have started earlier.... Tx for reply. HB The jury is in on germination of the 3 Canadian "exotics". Two of them ZERO. Other one, TWO puny little things that don't seem to be growing. I'm sending the packets back to Tatiana with germination rates. Note that these were planted in good cimposted soil and appropriately watered. I'm on a Library computer right now (don't ask!!!) but when I get computer fixed I'll post the varieties of tomato plants I bought at nabe nursery, which are doing fine. Interestingly, the plant person who helped me choose "sharp, acid" -- which has been my quest -- noted that most customers want "sweet"??!! Go figure. HB |
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Hypatia Nachshon writes: I'm on a Library computer right now (don't ask!!!) but when I get computer fixed I'll post the varieties of tomato plants I bought at nabe nursery, which are doing fine. Interestingly, the plant person who helped me choose "sharp, acid" -- which has been my quest -- noted that most customers want "sweet"??!! Many people seem to assiciate acidic tomatoes to with heartburn. I assume that is part of why the breeding trend has been toward lower acid types. I don't think my varieties are considered low acid, but I haven't looked into it. I just know what I like. I pressure can the sauces, so it is fine if they are low acid. -- Drew Lawson | Pass the tea and sympathy | for he good old days are dead | Let's raise a toast to those | who best survived the life they led |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 6:40:14 AM UTC-7, Drew Lawson wrote:
In article Hypatia Nachshon writes: I'm on a Library computer right now (don't ask!!!) but when I get computer fixed I'll post the varieties of tomato plants I bought at nabe nursery, which are doing fine. Interestingly, the plant person who helped me choose "sharp, acid" -- which has been my quest -- noted that most customers want "sweet"??!! Many people seem to assiciate acidic tomatoes to with heartburn. I assume that is part of why the breeding trend has been toward lower acid types. I don't think my varieties are considered low acid, but I haven't looked into it. I just know what I like. I pressure can the sauces, so it is fine if they are low acid. -- Drew Lawson | Pass the tea and sympathy | for he good old days are dead | Let's raise a toast to those | who best survived the life they led Here at last is report on the four varieties I planted after consulting with helpful plant guy at my nursery to find "sharp, acid" varieties. I didn't specify "heirloom" or "organic" but 3 out of 4 fit that bill. Black Krim - heirloom - organic Brandywine - heirloom organic Old German - heirloom - organic Black Zebra After [censored] years of planting the tried&true varieties offered for this area, it will be VERY interesting to see how these turn out. Anybody know if the ones with "black" in the name are really "black"? TIA for any feedback. HB |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT), Hypatia Nachshon
wrote: Here at last is report on the four varieties I planted after consulting with helpful plant guy at my nursery to find "sharp, acid" varieties. I didn't specify "heirloom" or "organic" but 3 out of 4 fit that bill. Black Krim - heirloom - organic Brandywine - heirloom organic Old German - heirloom - organic Black Zebra After [censored] years of planting the tried&true varieties offered for this area, it will be VERY interesting to see how these turn out. Anybody know if the ones with "black" in the name are really "black"? TIA for any feedback. HB I grow black varieties with some frequency - no, they are not black, but dark, dark green. There is one variety of blacks that is dark, dark, dark, but to me, they look a bit like purple plums. http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/201...ine/33668f.jpg https://ahmadalijetplane.files.wordp.../2014/01/1.jpg The fruits from the heirlooms you have should be quite nice, except I do not generally find these varieties as prolific fruiters. Some can be. Additionally, what one gain for the flavor, one loses due to disease susceptibility or cracking. Some years you will be fine....other years, you'll get caught short. I generally plant a mix of heirlooms and others, including cherry varieties. It is hard to lose an entire crop of cherries, so there is always something to harvest. I have at least 15 different varieties planted and a bunch o' volunteers that will surprise me as the season goes on. |
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Hypatia Nachshon writes: Anybody know if the ones with "black" in the name are really "black"? I haven't grown your varieties. Black Plum is dark but not black. Depending on the weather they are dark red or a bit toward purple. The insides are a rich red. My Black Plum just started to bloom a few days ago. The others (Amish Paste and Opalka) have not. They look stressed, but are growing. The weather was pretty hot when I first put them out. I suspect that the roots have not expanded as much as I'd like. We're looking at a week of thunder storms, which should be good. Looking at some notes from earlier years, the Black Plum shoudl be getting ripe just about the time we leave town for a week. -- Drew Lawson | Though it's just a memory, | some memories last forever |
Tomatoes - breaking my oath
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:46:41 AM UTC-7, Drew Lawson wrote:
In article Hypatia Nachshon writes: Anybody know if the ones with "black" in the name are really "black"? I haven't grown your varieties. Black Plum is dark but not black. Depending on the weather they are dark red or a bit toward purple. The insides are a rich red. My Black Plum just started to bloom a few days ago. The others (Amish Paste and Opalka) have not. They look stressed, but are growing. The weather was pretty hot when I first put them out. I suspect that the roots have not expanded as much as I'd like. We're looking at a week of thunder storms, which should be good. Looking at some notes from earlier years, the Black Plum shoudl be getting ripe just about the time we leave town for a week. -- Drew Lawson | Though it's just a memory, | some memories last forever Disappointed in performance of the 4 varieties described above. I tried so hard to get "acid-y" varieties from local nursery after Canadian debacle. One or two fruits; vines not flourishing despite sun, water & fertiliZer. Santa Monica is not prime tomato country, but this is really a bummer. At least French string beans roaring along. HB Galileo: "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use" |
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