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Gardening and climate change
All of us home gardeners are affected, to one degree or another & will be
into the future. (Not to mention major food suppliers, even in "developed" countries.) The deniers (including powerful committee chairmen in the US Congress) are still out there serving their Corporate Masters, but let us hope that their in$anity will become less influential as facts develop. An entertaining article about the exposure of Willie Soon, one of the most corrupt "scientist" deniers can be found at: http://www.onearth.org/earthwire/willie-soon-reader OR http://www.onearth.org/earthwire You will need to scroll way down -- past some very useful articles -- to: "All your Willie Soon schadenfreude in one handy article". HB "You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln HB |
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On 3/6/2015 3:45 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
All of us home gardeners are affected, to one degree or another & will be into the future. (Not to mention major food suppliers, even in "developed" countries.) The deniers (including powerful committee chairmen in the US Congress) are still out there serving their Corporate Masters, but let us hope that their in$anity will become less influential as facts develop. An entertaining article about the exposure of Willie Soon, one of the most corrupt "scientist" deniers can be found at: http://www.onearth.org/earthwire/willie-soon-reader OR http://www.onearth.org/earthwire You will need to scroll way down -- past some very useful articles -- to: "All your Willie Soon schadenfreude in one handy article". HB "You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln HB Sara, Who do you think funds all the scientists supporting global warming? |
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It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else.
A little late getting things started this year myself. Just got the pepper seeds put into pots yesterday. Will get the tomatoes seeds into some dirt either today or tomorrow. As I'm potting things up, it seems my eyes were bigger than my garden space one again, so again I'm going to have to put some veggie plants in with the flowers (or wherever I can find room). |
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On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote:
It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. |
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On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. |
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Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. And here was I thinking it was a matter of science. Silly me. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Corporate propaganda is their protection against democracy |
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"David Hare-Scott" writes:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote: On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. And here was I thinking it was a matter of science. Silly me. Surely you've noticed that one political party here in the USA is having none of it. Here in NJ, the snow on the ground is still over a foot deep. But my orchid has been blooming non-stop since around XMAS. What a beautiful plant. The XMAS cactus have been going since before Thanksgiving. -- Dan Espen |
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On 3/8/2015 5:38 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" writes: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. And here was I thinking it was a matter of science. Silly me. Surely you've noticed that one political party here in the USA is having none of it. Here in NJ, the snow on the ground is still over a foot deep. But my orchid has been blooming non-stop since around XMAS. What a beautiful plant. The XMAS cactus have been going since before Thanksgiving. In southern California, we have had only 108 hours of winter chill so far (hours at or below 45F measured from 1 November to 31 March). The winter of 2013-2014 was warm, but by this time we already had 127 hours. The average for the winters 2000-2001 through 2012-2013 was 366 hours. Roses are blooming a month early. Stone fruit trees (peach, plum, etc) lack normal vigor. Some deciduous shade trees are failing to leaf out. None of the affected plants belong to any political party. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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Just sayin'
I've seen this group go up and down in activity several times over the years. Every time it falls off is because someone wants to use it as a soapbox for their chosen hot button topic and people grow tired of it and go elsewhere. I'd rather that those topics go somewhere else and keep this forum for gardening advice and sharing personal experiences. BTW... I never said I disagreed, but you seem to be more than ready to jump in and judge. I just said that I don't want to see that stuff here and wreck what is becoming a good thing once again. |
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"David E. Ross" writes:
On 3/8/2015 5:38 PM, Dan Espen wrote: "David Hare-Scott" writes: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. And here was I thinking it was a matter of science. Silly me. Surely you've noticed that one political party here in the USA is having none of it. Here in NJ, the snow on the ground is still over a foot deep. But my orchid has been blooming non-stop since around XMAS. What a beautiful plant. The XMAS cactus have been going since before Thanksgiving. In southern California, we have had only 108 hours of winter chill so far (hours at or below 45F measured from 1 November to 31 March). The winter of 2013-2014 was warm, but by this time we already had 127 hours. The average for the winters 2000-2001 through 2012-2013 was 366 hours. Roses are blooming a month early. Stone fruit trees (peach, plum, etc) lack normal vigor. Some deciduous shade trees are failing to leaf out. Not good. None of the affected plants belong to any political party. How can you tell? I'm on my way to age 70. I thought I would have fled from the cold by now, but maybe I've stayed in the NE too long. I think I might miss it. I guess it would be nice to see some green things but snow is nice too. I don't even mind shoveling it. A couple of days ago we had another 4 inches of snow and the holly I planted a couple of years back was finally covered completely. There was just a little 2 inch bump in the snow. Yesterday, 2 leaves popped out clear of the snow and today a could see 6 or 7 leaves. That was pretty much it for green things in the yard actually doing something. -- Dan Espen |
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On 9/03/2015 9:09 AM, Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. |
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snotbottom wrote:
Just sayin' I've seen this group go up and down in activity several times over the years. Every time it falls off is because someone wants to use it as a soapbox for their chosen hot button topic and people grow tired of it and go elsewhere. I'd rather that those topics go somewhere else and keep this forum for gardening advice and sharing personal experiences. BTW... I never said I disagreed, but you seem to be more than ready to jump in and judge. I just said that I don't want to see that stuff here and wreck what is becoming a good thing once again. Following that logic discussion of growing potatos and corn would be banned because some people here passionately (and repeatedly) declare that eating any carbohydrates is bad for your health. Isn't dealing with aberant weather patterns gardening advice? -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Corporate propaganda is their protection against democracy |
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On 9/03/2015 1:45 PM, snotbottom wrote:
Just sayin' Yes, you did say. The least you could do is to stand by what you said. You made a statement. I disagreed with it. The dog didn't eat my homework. I've seen this group go up and down in activity several times over the years. Every time it falls off is because someone wants to use it as a soapbox for their chosen hot button topic and people grow tired of it and go elsewhere. I'd rather that those topics go somewhere else and keep this forum for gardening advice and sharing personal experiences. Climate change in my country and my garden is not a "soapbox" issue, nor is it a "hot button" issue. And since you don't seem to have noticed, we DO share personal experiences here and have done for years. Although I don't actually recall any posts of yours at all. Now to the issue to which you object: I do own a garden, I do garden as opposed to pretending that I do. My personal experiences in my Garden includes the variabililty predicted as a result of climate change, therefore I will continue to post on my experience in my garden and any other issue which I believe to be on topic to gardening. I will not resile from making posts that relate to my 'on topic' experiences or my 'on topic' interests because posters in other countries cannot differentiate their own parochial political views from the scientific research. BTW... I never said I disagreed, but you seem to be more than ready to jump in and judge. I just said that I don't want to see that stuff here and wreck what is becoming a good thing once again. You jumped in, you told a group of international posters what they should and shouldn't be posting based on your own form of judging and then try to claim it's because of the good of this group. In a pig's ear it is. |
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On 3/9/2015 3:37 AM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 9/03/2015 9:09 AM, Stronzo Bestiale wrote: On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? |
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Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? Climate has been changing for a Billion years, so imperceptively slowly that it has zero effect on a lifetime of gardening, not even 100 life times of gardening. All anyone who gardens need do regarding climate change is to check their daily weather report and even that is wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. |
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
.... wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good gardener. :) songbird |
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songbird writes:
Brooklyn1 wrote: ... wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good gardener. :) Also good to have a nice catchy insult you can deliver while sitting behind your keyboard. Trying to paper over Brooklyn's disgusting need to insult others? Brooky is now a gardener because he posts pictures of a huge flat lawn with a couple of trees and the deer than come in and eat everything. -- Dan Espen |
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:41:46 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote: songbird writes: Brooklyn1 wrote: ... wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good gardener. :) Also good to have a nice catchy insult you can deliver while sitting behind your keyboard. Those kind of replies obviously mean you don't garden. |
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On 3/9/2015 9:31 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? Climate has been changing for a Billion years, so imperceptively slowly that it has zero effect on a lifetime of gardening, not even 100 life times of gardening. All anyone who gardens need do regarding climate change is to check their daily weather report and even that is wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. That's the way I feel about climate change. I'll argue politics elsewhere, I come here for garden discussions. |
Gardening and tomatoes
Hi Higgs,
I still think your tomato problems have to do with your soil. As with cooking, you can't make bad ingredients taste better, you can only make good ingredients taste worse. It all starts with the soil. I am wondering if you should not start over with know good organic soil. Maybe even use certified compost from a reputable dealer. Who knows what in the world is in municipal compose. Do you have worms in your soil? They are a great indication of your soils health. Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like their roots in standing/stagnant water. -T Songbird is a really great source of this kind of information, probably knows 100 times what I do. |
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In article
T writes: Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like their roots in standing/stagnant water. Tomatoes originated in the Andes, not the Amazon. Aside from the initial letter, the two have little in common. -- Drew Lawson | What you own is your own kingdom | What you do is your own glory | What you love is your own power | What you live is your own story |
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On 3/9/2015 3:50 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In article T writes: Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like their roots in standing/stagnant water. Tomatoes originated in the Andes, not the Amazon. Aside from the initial letter, the two have little in common. Interesting. Wonder if there are any heirloom seeds ;) |
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? Climate has been changing for a Billion years, so imperceptively slowly that it has zero effect on a lifetime of gardening, not even 100 life times of gardening. Factoid not in evidence. All anyone who gardens need do regarding climate change is to check their daily weather report and even that is wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. Utter nonsense, you have seen pictures of my garden and Songbird's at least. Do you think it funny to say things that simply are not true or is your mind so stewed that you don't know the difference? -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Corporate propaganda is their protection against democracy |
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Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
On 3/9/2015 3:37 AM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 9:09 AM, Stronzo Bestiale wrote: On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? Completely irrelevant. let me intorduce you to Bozo Bin, Bozo meet Stronzo, Stronzo in you go. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Corporate propaganda is their protection against democracy |
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On 3/6/2015 12:45 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
All of us home gardeners are affected, to one degree or another & will be into the future. (Not to mention major food suppliers, even in "developed" countries.) The deniers (including powerful committee chairmen in the US Congress) are still out there serving their Corporate Masters, but let us hope that their in$anity will become less influential as facts develop. An entertaining article about the exposure of Willie Soon, one of the most corrupt "scientist" deniers can be found at: http://www.onearth.org/earthwire/willie-soon-reader OR http://www.onearth.org/earthwire You will need to scroll way down -- past some very useful articles -- to: "All your Willie Soon schadenfreude in one handy article". HB "You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln For the views of the scientific community, see "Anthropogenic warming has increased drought risk in California" in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America" at http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/02/23/1422385112.abstract. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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Fran Farmer wrote:
.... Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. looks like a few random trolls to me, neither of those folks seem to have posted here before much at all and funny they both pop up on a topic that they complain about being OT. to have credibility it would help them if they actually posted about gardening. anyways, here is a way that CC will affect many out west in the USoA, the snowpack this year is miniscule, affecting 1/3 of the water supply that many millions of people rely upon. a fair amount of that snowpack is gone from an obvious lack of precipitation, but it is made much worse because the water systems out there are built around using that snow pack as their water storage. currently most of the areas seem to be running at 10-20% of average. what happens when the snows no longer fall as snow, but end up as rain or when the snows are sublimated off due to higher temperatures, well that is a part of what we are getting now. the water infrastructure is not built around rain on the mountains. to change that one aspect of the water systems out there will cost many billions of dollars, they're going to need bigger reservoirs to capture storm water and store it to get them through the summer months. this will pretty much affect anyone out west who wants to have a garden if they are trying to rely upon water from the irrigation systems. and it isn't going to be cheap. some folks are drilling wells and supplementing their irrigation by ground water. the problem there is that everyone else around them is doing the same thing and the ground water levels are rapidly falling. prices for drilling? many thousands of $ for how deep they have to go now in some places and they don't even know how long those wells will last. nothing out there is measured, proven or regulated as of yet, they are all taking more than is being recharged. luckily, the past few weeks have improved the snow pack in the Colorado River Basin (instead of well below average most are now 10-20% from average, some are even above average *whew* with some time yet to go where we can get some more storms to build up even more snow pack -- that would be great as the reservoirs on the Colorado River are approaching points where water will be reduced or cut off to the most junior water rights holders). yet another expense is required to build intakes from Lake Mead to get water to Las Vegas, because the lake is getting so low. and as for the question about being a scientist, yes, i am. nobody is paying me other than myself. songbird |
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Speaking of stirring... Reminds me that it's time to clean out the chicken coop and get it ready to go on the garden.
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Lurker I'd grant you... Troll I'd take exception to. I have posted, but it has been years. I continued to follow the group through its ups and downs, gardening the whole time with every year different than the one prior. FWIW, I've been gardening and preserving my own food for as long add I can remember. Love it, don't mind a good debate either, just didn't think this was the place for it.
Wasn't really trying to poke the bear, either. Just wanted to avoid what I've seen so many times over the years. I do find it interesting that it's the same characters who get their dander up every time someone cares to disagree with something someone said. So keep going with the insults and inflammatory remarks (speaking to both sides here). Watch the traffic fall off again. Then some new folks will come along in a few months and we can do it all over again. |
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what do you normally grow? where abouts are you?
songbird |
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Yes it would be. But that isn't what the article was taking about. The purpose of the article wasn't about climate change, the latest findings, or current conditions. It was the celebration of one off the voices of the opposition being scandalized.
I'm all for science... These articles didn't have any. |
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On 09 Mar 2015, snotbottom wrote in
rec.gardens: Lurker I'd grant you... Troll I'd take exception to. You might be taken more seriously if you learned to quote who you're replying to. As it is, your contextless posts make no sense. |
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I'm in the inland northwest. Far different than the coastal areas or western valleys. The Cascade Mountains stop most of the rain so we only average about 12" per year, most of that occurring in the fall and winter when the prevailing winds shift slightly to bring the weather in around the mountains. We get four distinct seasons, with the summers betting very hot and dry, so irrigation is critical, and very little water is wasted. Winters are normally just a few degrees below freezing, although we have dropped to double-digit negatives a few times.
I grow quite a variety of stuff. Plenty of paste tomatoes every year to put up sauces (spaghetti, salsa, and whatever else inspires me), so plenty of peppers and other stuff to go into the sauces too. Because of the heat, blossom end rot can be troublesome at times. I grow my own herbs to use well.. In fact, everything I use in my preserving I grow myself or buy from someone local. I also grow a lot of winter squash and root crops that I keep through the winter. One of the happiest memories I have is making borscht for the first time and finding that the family loved it! It's the only reason I'm allowed to grow beets now (although I do sneak in a batch of pickles every year).. Speaking of pickles, I also grow cukes to make hot dill pickles and my grandmothers lime pickle that are so crunchy and sweet. We have an assortment of fruit trees and vines and bushes that we freeze, dry, or otherwise preserve. I made Concorde grape pie filling 2 years ago for the first time and even though it's difficult, it will be made every year from now on. So delicious! I grow fingerling potatoes and leeks. I dont generally grow other potatoes or onions because those are readily available around here at a price lower than I could ever grow them for. Many times you can find a grower that will let you go into the fields after they've harvested them and pick what's left and that price is hard to beat. Sweet corn is available for a nickel an ear when its in season, so I don't grow that either, but I do grow popcorn and the kids think that's a blast In finishing up some of what's left in the cellar, I just made a couple more batches of red onion jam. So good on roasts, hamburgers, or whatever. This is also one that gets made every year. There's a lot more that goes on around here, but perhaps I'll share more as time goes on. |
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On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 5:54:49 PM UTC-7, Nil wrote:
On 09 Mar 2015, snotbottom snotbottom wrote in rec.gardens: Lurker I'd grant you... Troll I'd take exception to. You might be taken more seriously if you learned to quote who you're replying to. As it is, your contextless posts make no sense. Yeah. Just noticed the mobile version of Google groups doesn't quote the post you're replying to. Sorry about that. |
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On 09 Mar 2015, snotbottom wrote in
rec.gardens: On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 5:54:49 PM UTC-7, Nil wrote: You might be taken more seriously if you learned to quote who you're replying to. As it is, your contextless posts make no sense. Yeah. Just noticed the mobile version of Google groups doesn't quote the post you're replying to. Sorry about that. Thank you. |
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shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good gardener. :) Speaking of stirring... Reminds me that it's time to clean out the chicken coop and get it ready to go on the garden. |
Gardening and climate change
On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 5:15:42 PM UTC-7, songbird wrote:
what do you normally grow? where abouts are you? songbird I'm in the inland northwest. Far different than the coastal areas or western valleys. The Cascade Mountains stop most of the rain so we only average about 12" per year, most of that occurring in the fall and winter when the prevailing winds shift slightly to bring the weather in around the mountains. We get four distinct seasons, with the summers betting very hot and dry, so irrigation is critical, and very little water is wasted. Winters are normally just a few degrees below freezing, although we have dropped to double-digit negatives a few times. I grow quite a variety of stuff. Plenty of paste tomatoes every year to put up sauces (spaghetti, salsa, and whatever else inspires me), so plenty of peppers and other stuff to go into the sauces too. Because of the heat, blossom end rot can be troublesome at times. I grow my own herbs to use well.. In fact, everything I use in my preserving I grow myself or buy from someone local. I also grow a lot of winter squash and root crops that I keep through the winter. One of the happiest memories I have is making borscht for the first time and finding that the family loved it! It's the only reason I'm allowed to grow beets now (although I do sneak in a batch of pickles every year).. Speaking of pickles, I also grow cukes to make hot dill pickles and my grandmothers lime pickle that are so crunchy and sweet. We have an assortment of fruit trees and vines and bushes that we freeze, dry, or otherwise preserve. I made Concorde grape pie filling 2 years ago for the first time and even though it's difficult, it will be made every year from now on. So delicious! I grow fingerling potatoes and leeks. I dont generally grow other potatoes or onions because those are readily available around here at a price lower than I could ever grow them for. Many times you can find a grower that will let you go into the fields after they've harvested them and pick what's left and that price is hard to beat. Sweet corn is available for a nickel an ear when its in season, so I don't grow that either, but I do grow popcorn and the kids think that's a blast In finishing up some of what's left in the cellar, I just made a couple more batches of red onion jam. So good on roasts, hamburgers, or whatever. This is also one that gets made every year. There's a lot more that goes on around here, but perhaps I'll share more as time goes on. |
Gardening and climate change
Following that logic discussion of growing potatos and corn would be banned because some people here passionately (and repeatedly) declare that eating any carbohydrates is bad for your health. Isn't dealing with aberant weather patterns gardening advice? Yes it would be. But that isn't what the article was taking about. The purpose of the article wasn't about climate change, the latest findings, or current conditions. It was the celebration of one of the voices of the opposition being scandalized. I'm all for science... These articles didn't have any. |
Gardening and tomatoes
On 03/09/2015 12:50 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In article T writes: Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like their roots in standing/stagnant water. Tomatoes originated in the Andes, not the Amazon. Aside from the initial letter, the two have little in common. Hi Drew, Tomatoes were originally cultivated by the Incas which inhabited the Andes. But they came from the Amazon rain forest. Peru, which contains both the Andes and Incas, also contains part of the Amazon rain forest. I think you are mixing the origin of the plant (the rain forest) with the origin of who originally cultivated it (the Incas and Aztecs), but I could be wrong. Amazon Facts: http://rfadventures.com/amazon_facts.htm "At least 80% of the developed world's diet originated in the tropical rainforest. Its bountiful gifts to the world include fruits like avocados, coconuts, figs, oranges, lemons, grapefruit, bananas, guavas, pineapples, mangos and *tomatoes*; vegetables including corn, potatoes, rice, winter squash and yams; spices like black pepper, cayenne, chocolate, cinnamon, cloves, ginger, sugar cane, turmeric, coffee and vanilla and nuts including Brazil nuts and cashews. At least 3000 fruits are found in the rainforests; of these only 200 are now in use in the Western World. The Indians of the rainforest use over 2,000. Wow. A lot of stuff came from the Amazon! A quick look at a typical fragile tomato plant tells you it did not originate in the freezing cold, high altitude deserts of the Andes. Now back to my point. These plants come from the Amazon rain forest. They are accustomed and evolved to expect a daily drenching from thunderstorms. So, I was trying to find out if Higgs was recreating these ideal conditions: Humid, drenched and drained. (Not high altitude, freezing nights, and very low moisture.) This is actually information I am relaying from a local CSA greenhouse. Their incredible organic tomatoes were in wet, humid, drained green houses. And EVERY tomato was incredible: both heirlooms and hybrids alike. Do you have tips for her? I hate it that she can't get a decent tomato. As far as my experience goes, it is all about the soil. -T |
Gardening and climate change
"David Hare-Scott" writes:
Brooklyn1 wrote: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: Stronzo Bestiale wrote: Fran Farmer wrote: snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? Climate has been changing for a Billion years, so imperceptively slowly that it has zero effect on a lifetime of gardening, not even 100 life times of gardening. Factoid not in evidence. All anyone who gardens need do regarding climate change is to check their daily weather report and even that is wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping Walmart's produce. Utter nonsense, you have seen pictures of my garden and Songbird's at least. Do you think it funny to say things that simply are not true or is your mind so stewed that you don't know the difference? David, it's Brooklyn. Why ask such silly questions. He lives to insult. Probably confirms his sense of self worth. As I said before, disgusting. -- Dan Espen |
Gardening and climate change
On 10/03/2015 12:12 AM, Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
On 3/9/2015 3:37 AM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 9:09 AM, Stronzo Bestiale wrote: On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote: On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote: It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else. Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality. He's right. You and Sara are getting political. It's science. Oh, you a scientist? Are you a politician? |
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