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Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Maybe, but there is no disputing that crows are susceptible to WNV.
My daughter worked in the patho lab at UConn and has done the assays, no dispute here. |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(IntarsiaCo) wrote: And that vaunted "common sense" suggests it will get worse; only profound ignorance concludes it isn't even a problem. Over 1100 areas have reported in, there are crows everywhere, you figure it out for yourself. There is no crow crisis. You have gone below even my low estimation of your ability to reason! I'm done with you now dearie. If you're done, time to take your baked head out of the oven. -paggers -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
And that vaunted "common sense" suggests it will get worse; only profound
ignorance concludes it isn't even a problem. Over 1100 areas have reported in, there are crows everywhere, you figure it out for yourself. There is no crow crisis. I'm done with you now dearie. |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
And that vaunted "common sense" suggests it will get worse; only profound ignorance concludes it isn't even a problem. Over 1100 areas have reported in, there are crows everywhere, you figure it out for yourself. There is no crow crisis. I'm done with you now dearie. Just because in your mind they are every where doesn't mean they aren't in danger and decreasing in numbers. You may want to subscribe to the Audubon Society, The NWF, The Nature Conservatory and the Environmental Defense Fund (all have online notifications) and get yourself informed first. :o) Ignorance kills me. Colleen Zone 5 Connecticut Colleen |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
I don't know what the fight's about--but I'm here to tell you that I've
noticed a LOT less crows here in Baltimore Maryland. We used to have them in such abundance it looked like the Hitchcock movie. They'd caw so loudly you'd have to cover your ears. I can't remember the last time I noticed a flock (?) of crows! "GrampysGurl" wrote in message ... And that vaunted "common sense" suggests it will get worse; only profound ignorance concludes it isn't even a problem. Over 1100 areas have reported in, there are crows everywhere, you figure it out for yourself. There is no crow crisis. I'm done with you now dearie. Just because in your mind they are every where doesn't mean they aren't in danger and decreasing in numbers. You may want to subscribe to the Audubon Society, The NWF, The Nature Conservatory and the Environmental Defense Fund (all have online notifications) and get yourself informed first. :o) Ignorance kills me. Colleen Zone 5 Connecticut Colleen |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
I don't know what the fight's about--but I'm here to tell you that I've noticed a LOT less crows here in Baltimore Maryland. We used to have them in such abundance it looked like the Hitchcock movie. They'd caw so loudly you'd have to cover your ears. I can't remember the last time I noticed a flock (?) of crows! Knowing the rate we are losing crows to WNV here in Connecticut, there is NO WAY it isn't adversely effecting the crow population; it's only going to get much worse before it gets better if it ever does. It is amazing what our wildlife goes through world wide and ignorance is the cause of more deaths then anything. I could spout off a few other organizations but I highly doubt many of us are gardening in the oceans lol. Colleen Zone 5 Connecticut I wanna walk and not run, I wanna skip and not fall. I wanna look at the horizon, and not see a building standing tall. I wanna be the only one, for miles and miles; except for maybe you and your simple smiles. -Dixie Chicks |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
"Betsy" -0 expounded:
I don't know what the fight's about--but I'm here to tell you that I've noticed a LOT less crows here in Baltimore Maryland. We used to have them in such abundance it looked like the Hitchcock movie. They'd caw so loudly you'd have to cover your ears. I can't remember the last time I noticed a flock (?) of crows! Actually, there are far fewer crows around here, even. I've only seen one this past month, and that was the first one I'd seen in many months. And blue jays, too, they've just finally appeared after a long absence. WNV obviously killed a few around here, too. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
"Betsy" -0 wrote in message ... I don't know what the fight's about--but I'm here to tell you that I've noticed a LOT less crows here in Baltimore Maryland. We used to have them in such abundance it looked like the Hitchcock movie. They'd caw so loudly you'd have to cover your ears. I can't remember the last time I noticed a flock (?) of crows! I never thought about it much until reading this thread, but here in Mont.Co. MD, NE of DC and SW of Baltimore, there does seem to be a lot less of them. Of coarse I don't have any documentation to prove it. David, zone 7, Olney MD |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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"Betsy" -0 wrote in message ... I don't know what the fight's about--but I'm here to tell you that I've noticed a LOT less crows here in Baltimore Maryland. We used to have them in such abundance it looked like the Hitchcock movie. They'd caw so loudly you'd have to cover your ears. I can't remember the last time I noticed a flock (?) of crows! That would be a "Murder of Crows"........is the correct descriptive word for a large number of them....................if you ever saw them in hot pursuit of an owl, you'd understand the symbolism. madgardener, who for the moment has crows, blackbirds and possibly ravens, but not quite sure on the latter and who also knows we've had reports last summer of WNV....... |
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Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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Googling, I see no alerts that crows have been entirely eliminated, but several showing they are unusually susceptible to WNV and many have died from it. Also a happy note that while any new virus may claim many victims See: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...4jan24,0,54408 43.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
On 26 Jan 2003 13:36:23 GMT, (IntarsiaCo) wrote:
With brief Googling, I see no alerts that crows have been entirely eliminated, but several showing they are unusually susceptible to WNV and many have died from it. Also a happy note that while any new virus may claim many victims See: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...4jan24,0,54408 43.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...,5440843.story Regards, tomj "Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages." - Thomas Edison |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(Frogleg) wrote: On 25 Jan 2003 14:22:30 GMT, (IntarsiaCo) wrote: Sometime in October 2002 Paghat claimed: "If the West Nile encephalitis continues to eradicate crows, which are particularly vulnerable to the virus & have already vanished entirely from some infected east coast cities, a great many people who once complained of these wonderful intelligent birds will be awfully sorry, remembering their bold antics fondly." The 103rd Christmas Bird Count clearly refutes your claim, in particular, there are plenty of American Crows in DC. One must not believe EVERYTHING one reads, a bit of COMMON SENSE is required to separate the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps this dispute can be traced to the term "eradicate" which means both to eliminate entirely AND to kill in large numbers. With brief Googling, I see no alerts that crows have been entirely eliminated, but several showing they are unusually susceptible to WNV and many have died from it The tone of the "dispute" was set by InterasiaCo's trollish desire for my attention, or it wouldn't've been necessary to start a thread with my name in it. Last year I noted the threat to crows (questioned by no one with a measurable IQ) is slowly spreading westward, & cited the worst case yet reported in the east as a harbinger of worse to come, namely the eradication of crows in Brookland, Washington, DC, ascribed to West Nile Virus. Our trolly weirdo thought that crow sitings anywhere in the USA "debunked" not the Washington Post & NPR piece I quoted a few months back, but that it debunked me personally, when of course it debunked nothing at all, not even by misrepresenting what I'd reported -- though even the out-of-context quote begins with the word "If" & the troll wasn't very clever at such misrepresentation. Any ACTUAL report on the complete safety of crows would have been cited specifically as good news, not alluded to vaguely as a magical debunking principle. At first it seemed InterasiaCo was actually just insane, brooding in misery ever since I corrected his complete misunderstanding on the subject months back, until he "broke" & flew off the handle months later. But it slowly dawned on me that trolling really was the point, & since the goal was to troll me personally by starting a thread under my name, & since I responded, it can be counted a success trolling. We would otherwise be asked to believe InterasiaCo is such a loony that it really IS possible to believe such crazy-ass things as 1) Paghat is one & the same with all news-services & health organizations; 2) a siting of any crow anywhere in the USA proves that West Nile Virus never eradicated crows anywhere, therefore 3) the WNV threat to crows & raptors is a hoax perpetuated by hundreds of health organizations, wildlife organizations, scientists, all orchestrated by Paghat, because 4) West Nile Virus does not kill crows; & no doubt that 5) the earth is flat & battery acid makes for a sparkling refreshing drink. Realizing trolling really was the one & only purpose, it becomes less surprising that the only "evidence" the troll provided as evidence for an alternate viewpoint on WVN even existing -- is a link to a much-despised & pointless "crow shooting contest" the goal of which was to disrupt a famous crow roost then just discard the thousands of dead birds (illegally) in the nearest dumpster. Well, I guess it is more creative & less unhealthy for InterasiaCo to behave as a crazy-ass troll rather than to just be crazy, as those would seem to be the only two possibilities. Also a happy note that while any new virus may claim many victims, immunity begins to build and the high mortality numbers drop off. This is certainly the hope for the crow population long-term, that any crows & raptors surviving the pending or in-progress bird holocaust will be the seed of a future population not susceptible to the disease. There are presently only indicators & hypotheses. Worst case scenario, extinction; best-case, adaptive immunity. In Africa the virus does not kill many birds, & that's the hopeful indicator of what is possible. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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wrote: I did have a dead crow in the back yard early in the epidemic. The state wanted these deaths called in to check for disease but the wild life agent was lazy and said he was busy and then a day later said he would only pick up if crow was refrigerated - it was July. At any rate he said you cannot catch virus from dead bird. Frank Sorry for your encounter with a typical lazyass couldn't-care-less badguy. Though there is no possibility of dead birds per se infecting anyone with WNV, parasites on the bird just might be able to transfer the disease. It is believed the disease reaching certain hawk populations because of a tendency to scavenge dead birds & having infected bloodsucking parasites transfer to a new host. Humans get it from mosquitos & mosquitos can transfer it from any number of mammals or birds to humans. So though I don't think it has been studied, it's at least a credible hypothesis that contact with infected parasites could provide a mild threat to humans. There are several other zoonotic diseases for which parasites are intermediate carriers. In some regions, most dead crows that get analyzed did have the virus as cause of death, but for birds more broadly, analysis of thousands of corpses shows the primary cause of death generally to be pesticides. -paghat -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
In my experience the disease has done nothing to diminish the presence of these pests in my neighborhood. FYI, I did have a dead crow in the back yard early in the epidemic. The state wanted these deaths called in to check for disease but the wild life agent was lazy and said he was busy and then a day later said he would only pick up if crow was refrigerated - it was July. At any rate he said you cannot catch virus from dead bird. Frank |
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cited the worst case yet
reported in the east as a harbinger of worse to come, Listen lady (or is it Chicken Little, "the crows are falling, the crows are falling"), while I will yield to you on your knowledge of trailer parks in Oregon, you really should suck it up and admit that your illogical and unquestioning belief in the two references that you cite- the eradication of crows in the DC area is patently false. Oh, you really should check your posts, it's Intarsiaco, but you can call me Mark, debunker of Paghat, user of a process called logic. |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
madgard wrote: That would be a "Murder of Crows"........is the correct descriptive word for a large number of them....................if you ever saw them in hot pursuit of an owl, you'd understand the symbolism. I had no idea that it's called a "Murder of Crows". I do know what that means, since I've seen so many in hot pursuit of young hawks and such - it even happened last Wednesday. Suja |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(IntarsiaCo) wrote: cited the worst case yet reported in the east as a harbinger of worse to come, Listen lady (or is it Chicken Little, "the crows are falling, the crows are falling"), while I will yield to you on your knowledge of trailer parks in Oregon, you really should suck it up and admit that your illogical and unquestioning belief in the two references that you cite- the eradication of crows in the DC area is patently false. In summer of 2002, the DC Health Department had 65 to 110 people PER DAY turning over dead crows from Northeast Washington DC, virtually all of them from Ward 3 and Ward 5. Hundreds of the corpses were given over to Cornell University, which did the bloodwork to establish conclusively that the sudden mass die-off was caused by West Nile Virus, which the crow population had lived with for several years before this, thus indicating an accumulative effect in a long-infected population. Last year when I posted this incontrovertible occurrence, I asked what all the scientists are asking, is this a foreshadowing of the future for crows across America. For reasons known only to you, you lost your cookies & behaved irrationally over this. You are still behaving irrationally. Since the problem is at its height in summer & early autumn, new assessments won't really be possible until summer 2003. I would like the DC phenomenon to NOT be recurring in other regions, but to date there is no reason to suppose anything unique about the DC population except the length of time infected. Your attempt to infer these findings are mine, & to debunk me personally, show nothing except that you are a complete loon. Those are the facts that NO ONE with a capacity to reason can deny, because that's what happened. Period. The situation may change with time, but what occurred in DC in summer of 2002 is history & nothing short of time travel will change it. To be more precise, nothing short of time travel will change it, you dumb ****. You've certainly NEVER provided one iota of information that would place even slight doubt on the research from Cornell Univeristy (which they updated in Otober 2002 resulting in fresh wire service articles at that time, including those I cited last year from Washington Post & on NPR) about the mass die-off in Brookland. If you COULD debunk this it would have very little to do with me -- rather, you'd be outwitting scientists at Cornell University, at the National Zoo, the Animal Disease Prevention Division of DC's Department of Health, & the space/time continuum. Reason alone indicates you cannot do this; your nutty posts show conclusively you haven't. You certainly never even come close by mere insane pronouncements about how amateur phone-in citings elsewhere in the nation debunk neighborhood-specific information out of Cornell. Your one & only citation proved nothing but that your craziness is boundless, when you finally shared a "source" for your outbursts, vis, the crow-hating gun-nuts in upstate New York despised by everyone but you. In your putrescent mind the horrible acts of gun-nuts in upstate New York has some direct baring on what happened in Brookland last year, & cancels out that bit of history. It appears that you had a mini-psychotic break & acted it out by posting my name as a thread title to get attention. Your twisted emotional state had no more logic, source, or information beyond that of your simply acting out inappropriately. You had a weird response to well-sourced facts given in evidence last October, when you first made a fool of yourself denying reality, & you have brooded on it like an insane dork ever since, finally erupting anew in your ignorant, baseless, & laughable manner. Oh, you really should check your posts, it's Intarsiaco, but you can call me Mark, debunker of Paghat, user of a process called logic. Now now, InnerAnalCo. Remember, you provided clear examples of your idea of "logic," vis, a few crow-hating gun-nuts slaughtering crows in upstate New York & some random call-in sightings of crows throughout middle america, to you, directly impacts & changes conditions in northeast DC. So even you must know full well that logic is beyond your capacity, irrationality being your only hallmark. All you have to keep you going is your anger at sundry people, at me at the moment, apparently also at crows, probably displaced anger over things from your life, which your out-of-left-field interest in trailer parks may give us a clue regarding. Since you're the same guy alleging that a chintzy pegboard chair with small plastic rollers affixed to the legs is a superior replacement for an actual wheelchair, it wouldn't be too surprising if this was designed to fit into your equally crappy trailer house. Yes, that much is logical. Disabled individuals who sadly can't afford a real house being likewise stuck with one of your disgustingly inadadequate wheelchairs -- what a nightmare image. The closest you've come to "logic" is your manner of exemplifying how fools behave foolishly. You have revealed repeatedly your incapacity to grasp simple elements of reality, without which logic will remain always beyond your reach, & you will end up as in the present instance descending into increasing lunacy, including revelations of your delight in the attempted destruction of a famous well-studied rookery by a few insane assholes with shotguns, who exmplify your ideal for the treatment of crows. Any other animals you hate beyond reason? Besides sweet ratties that is. If the day ever comes that you have something substantial to offer on this or any topic, it won't have to posture as debunkery. Actual information is actual information & requires no needy shouts for Paghat's attention. Laughable though I find you, I seriously am sorry your ego was so flattened you needed to pretend your bunk could debunk anyone, whether me or Cornell University. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Now now dearie, didn't your momma and poppa teach you that it is not polite to
call people names, normal humans give that up sometime around puberty. You really need to find some purpose in life besides self edification and pomposity. There is still time for you to earn your spot on the planet, even someone with your minimal talent can be taught to be productive. The bottom line dreary, crows were not extirpated in DC, nor NY, nor CT, nor MA, nor DE, nor NJ, nor MD, nor VA, nor NC, from personal observation. I feel sorry for you, please go back to taking your meds, they will help. It sure is fun toying with you, probably unfair given your severe limitations. Oh, that chair is used quite successfully in early intervention programs, it is not a wheelchair. But then again, what do you know? |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(IntarsiaCo) wrote: Now now dearie, didn't your momma and poppa teach you that it is not polite to call people names, normal humans give that up sometime around puberty. You really need to find some purpose in life besides self edification and pomposity. There is still time for you to earn your spot on the planet, even someone with your minimal talent can be taught to be productive. The bottom line dreary, crows were not extirpated in DC, nor NY, nor CT, nor MA, nor DE, nor NJ, nor MD, nor VA, nor NC, from personal observation. I feel sorry for you, please go back to taking your meds, they will help. It sure is fun toying with you, probably unfair given your severe limitations. Oh, that chair is used quite successfully in early intervention programs, it is not a wheelchair. But then again, what do you know? Thanks for the spam. You left out your actual company slogan "Fail your way to success!" Too bad that is all you have instead of scientific support for your bold claims of medical value to your lowgrade products. If making money by hornswoggling high prices for your failures is your idea of failing your way to success, well gawwwwwd damn, is that your admission of criminality? And since you are reliant on people a great many of whom actually ARE "on meds" to make your livelihood, we find here that your estimation of people with medical needs is so low that insulting your betters with the "Take your meds!" cliche is your formost recourse when you find as usual you cannot grasp the rudiments of science or reason. It's bad enough you make harmlessly stupid claims against science, but you also make baseless medical claims in order to sell worthless junk to people with actual needs. Unforgiveable. Your intellectual leap to "Take your meds! Take your meds!" is something NO ONE who was HONESTLY qualified to sell "therapy" to the disabled would ever resort to -- I might call you a retardo but probably not if I were raising a retarded child, & I might take delight in noting you're crazy gimp who needs his meds dosage upped -- but probably not if I were someone whose profession had much to do with delivering therapy to people in physical or mental crisis. Too bad you can't even PRETEND to have respect for those you are reliant on for an income. So pardon me if I doubt there is even a slight basis to your false boast of providing ANYthing of ANY therapeutic value to ANYone. You sell snakeoil, & the vaguely chair-shaped easy-to-dash-together pegboard-box-with-bolted-on-casters is just the most obvious of your scoundrally flimflam "health" & "therapy" offerings for which you provide no evidence of proven value.. Look at this piece of shit folks: http://www.therapyshapes.com/CHAIR.3.jpg Imagine trying to get around a home, school, or office in THAT one! Some trivial values might be found for such a cheezy-looking device if one looked hard enough (or needed a hook to hang your hammer), & didn't expect much else. But instead it gets sold under the banner of "therapy" & alleged to be successful for "early intervention." Just a hoodwinker claiming medical values where none are present. So what ARE your medical qualifications, InnerAnalCo? Finishing the Matchbook School of Carpentry won't fill the bill. I view you as a flimflam man taking advantage of the disabled, especially those who cannot afford quality healthcare equipment, who would likely be that same trailer court crowd you previously demeaned. So you arrive with your snakeoil to profit on others' desperation. "Take your meds!" squawked the flimflam man. "Take your meds!" -- typical of someone who would misrepresent their boxy pegboard chair as "therapy" capable of "intervention." Invervention of what? Your victims' pocketbooks? You'd reduce a disabled kid to a "cripple-in-a-box" thereafter needing even further "assistance" of still other bogus products merely to move half an inch in any direction. So you call trapping someone inside a pegboard box "therapy" in your sorryass advertisements & "intervention" in your snakeoil salesman's dream. Where exactly did you get your medical degrees & physical therapist's training? At which teaching & research institutes did your pegboard chair undergo testing for these imaginary "therapy" & "intervention" uses? In what scientific publications are the peer-reviewed outcomes to be found, showing the basis for your claims of "intervention" & "therapy" for ugly pegboard boxes bolted to coasters? These'd be cute if you made them for your pet spider monkey double-amputee in order to get on Animal Planet, but not to claim therapeutic virtues. Give me the citations. I would love to be wrong on this one, because being right means I also have to know you victimize the disabled, & that's tragic. You couldn't prove Cornell wrong about crows with your whinging & lying, but perhaps you can lay to rest my strong belief that you are a vampire victimizing the disabled, & doing so with even less authority than you possess while you're pretending to debunk Cornell WNV research. If your pegboard chair has been proven to possess even moderate therapeutic value of any kind, then there ARE published peer-reviewed studies that show this. Just tell me where to find them & I will read them & report back exactly what they say. I'll accept even the tiniest statistically significance proving any value whatsoever of any kind, & admit thereafter it at least gives you legal backing for your exaggerations, but it HAS to be peer reviewed science or it's nothing but your groundless salespitch. If your pegboard-box-on-coasters has the therapeutic value you allege, then the independent studies proving it will be easy to cite. If it's a groundless assertion for a worthless product, there'll be nothing to cite. Peer-reviewed scientific journals only, please, not testimonials from third-rate bone-manipulators to whom you give deep discounts to induce them to help you sell crapola. Give me the scientific citations that prove your pegboard boxes' efficacy as "therapy & intervention" -- because so far it looks to me like this is a patently worthless piece of equipment that has only your snakeoil sales pitches to support it. Actually USEFUL up-to-date wheelchairs are expensive & an almost-affordable alternative might be sad to settle for, but it could be argued that low-grade alternatives for the impoverished do serve a purpose in a country where quality healthcare is often pay-as-you-go, & for some it has to be low-quality alternatives or nothing at all. But to put on top of that stopgap situation unfounded medical claims of therapy & intervention, whew, that's downright evil. Because you make medical & healthcare claims, I believe that qualifies you as a medical fraud & profiteer standing completely outside trained & accredited health professions. So it is quite natural for you, in a name-calling mood, to assume anyone you are mad at is appropriately alluded to in a medical context as worthless. That's what you think of your own "customers" (or victims) for the Magical Pegboard Box Cure, so it comes easy for you to tell your betters to go take their meds -- at least you keep yourself in clear context, but too bad for your customers you can't even drum up a little pretended respect & not use their situations to name-call your betters. You've shown yourself incapable of comprehending simple science, & willing to dissimilate when science won't support you. So you damned sure ain't no therapist doing intervention with your magic pegboard box. I see you as a flimflam man sucking vampirishly at gullible individuals within the disabled community, always hoping to sell yet another worthless boxy chair made of pegboard & mounted on four crappy little coasters that'd have trouble even getting over a spot of gum, while in your spare time you praise gun-nuts out to destroy rookeries & weasil your way around a Cornell study in Brookland by making sweeping claims about North Carolina & anywhere else -- without even knowing one thing about North Carolina either, you're such a complete fraud. Maybe next you'll throw something out there about Antarctica & see if that one floats, lacking as you do capacity even for the marginally sensible. And I have no doubt whatsoever that your expertise in "therapy & intervention" is no greater than your expertise on crows in North Carolina (or anywhere else) that you toss out blithely with no basis of knowledge. Prove me wrong by citing the peer-reviewed studies supporting this wild claim of yours that a pegboard box on little coasters has therapeutic value. Show me the evidence it was independently tested & proven to have any value whatsoever. I have fairly quick access to the University of Washington Health Sciences Library so don't go fabricating in your usual manner, I can & will check any citation you can provide. And this is something the disabled community should really be informed of -- you using the conditions of people in need of medical assistance to name-call your betters is bad enough for someone professionally reliant on just such people for an income. It shows your complete lack of interest in anything but the pocketbooks of those people. It's something your victim-base should know more about. "Fail your way to success" indeed. Absolutely pathetic. You therapy claims appear to be permanently in failure mode. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
"paghat" wrote in message ... Though there is no possibility of dead birds per se infecting anyone with WNV, parasites on the bird just might be able to transfer the disease. It is believed the disease reaching certain hawk populations because of a tendency to scavenge dead birds & having infected bloodsucking parasites transfer to a new host. Humans get it from mosquitos & mosquitos can transfer it from any number of mammals or birds to humans. So though I don't think it has been studied, it's at least a credible hypothesis that contact with infected parasites could provide a mild threat to humans. There are several other zoonotic diseases for which parasites are intermediate carriers. Please provide the source of the info about parasites (other than mosquitos) transmitting WNV in hawk populations. I believe there are 36 species of mosquito in the US known to carry WNV but have not yet seen mention of other parasites. Thanks. karen |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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ess says... :) Please provide the source of the info about parasites (other than mosquitos) :) transmitting WNV in hawk populations. I believe there are 36 species of :) mosquito in the US known to carry WNV but have not yet seen mention of other :) parasites. :) These two articles don't state that it is another parasite, but it does make say hmmmmmm...I would think close net lifestyle of crows would make it very possible for lice or bird flea or even larger insects like conenose bugs that will inhabit bird nests of ratures to be a possibility as another vector. From an article by a rapture rehabilitator http://www.cah.com/library/wnvrapt.html It's possible the virus has mutated, becoming more likely to cause illness and death. Perhaps raptors in the East and South were protected by exposure to another virus closely related to West Nile. Or perhaps another species of mosquito, or another insect entirely that prefers to feed on raptors, has picked up the virus. There has also been speculation that raptors are not being infected by mosquitoes, but by exposure to the flesh and blood of infected prey. That would seem consistent with recent findings that the virus can be transmitted between humans in donated organs and blood. Redig said the experimental work has not been done to prove it, but Gibson is convinced that mosquitoes are not vital to the cycle of West Nile infection. She says a crippled bald eagle she uses as a foster parent to orphaned eagles became West Nile- - positive after feeding infected younger birds. The large flight room where they were kept was netted against mosquitoes. And when some of the 30 orphaned common terns she was caring for began dying, she sent their organs off for West Nile testing. All were negative at first. But on Wednesday, her phone rang with word that the single tern brain sent to the lab has tested positive for West Nile. "Damn!" Gibson says. "We gave the terns West Nile." The terns, endangered in Wisconsin, had been kept on a porch double-netted against mosquitoes. But Gibson had been hand-feeding them, and she's convinced, despite her infection control efforts, that she transmitted the virus from the ailing raptors to the previously healthy young terns. From a press release from the US Geological Survey http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/erap/WNV/WNV-LArchive/10-26- 00.html Scientists from the U.S. Geological Survey said today that the West Nile Virus can be transmitted from bird-to-bird in a confined laboratory setting. It had been thought that the virus was only transmitted through mosquito bites. Scientists from the USGS National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wisc., placed infected birds in the same biocontainment (BL3) aviary as healthy birds. The infected birds died five to eight days later. Most of the healthy birds, the researchers found, also became ill from the virus and died five to eight days after the first infected bird died. ........ ........"Now we're not sure how it moved: by mouth, by preening, did the birds shed the virus in their feces? We're not sure," he said. "But by keeping the infected and healthy birds together in close contact, we really maximized the potential that this bird-to-bird transmission could take place. Now we know it did and we want to figure out how." -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep. Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!! |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Thanks for the link, Lar. This is speculation, then, rather than research. I
was aware of other multiple hazards. I'm trying to keep up with all the info on WNV because I keep several birds outside in summer. Have to take steps to protect them. karen "Lar" wrote in message . .. In article , ess says... :) Please provide the source of the info about parasites (other than mosquitos) :) transmitting WNV in hawk populations. I believe there are 36 species of :) mosquito in the US known to carry WNV but have not yet seen mention of other :) parasites. :) These two articles don't state that it is another parasite, but it does make say hmmmmmm...I would think close net lifestyle of crows would make it very possible for lice or bird flea or even larger insects like conenose bugs that will inhabit bird nests of ratures to be a possibility as another vector. From an article by a rapture rehabilitator http://www.cah.com/library/wnvrapt.html |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Let's see, yesterday we helped to adapt a standing wheelchair for a young lady
with CP so that she can attend college and teach a class on inclusion, devised and manufactured a device for a 3.5 year old without fingers on one hand to grasp a hockey stick so that he can play just like his older brother, repaired a young boys new power chair, initiated design on a walker for a set of conjoined twins ( we have already supplied/modified a stander, bather and stroller for them) consulted with the head PT at a major rehab hospital on seating a large man in a chair that is limited in size due to architectural constraints, advised a local dealer on how to adapt a 20 inch Jay 2 back into a 22 inch wide chair. We will be reimbursed for one of these tasks. People have come to us for over 20 years because they trust us to do the right thing. I'm secure in my skin, what's your function in life, playing with vermin? Back to the issue ratgirl (why would someone nickname themselves after vermin, low self esteem perhaps), crows are not exterminated in Brookdale, Eastern birders know that Brookdale has been a crow roost for at least 50 years, there are plenty of crows left. You should put your paws on the ground and take a look see for yourself rather than relying on what you can suck up off the net. Sure is fun toying with you dearie, seems momma and poppa were quite deficient in socializing you (I assume they did a better job with the potty training), good grief lady, even dogs are pack socialized by 8 weeks But then again, your responses are quite predictable and I'm bored with you now. You require anger management therapy, please do seek some help. If you can't afford it, I'm sure that there are local agencies that would be willing to assist. Ta ta Jessica, I have to get some work done. |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(IntarsiaCo) wrote: Let's see, yesterday we helped to adapt a standing wheelchair for a young lady with CP so that she can attend college and teach a class on inclusion, devised and manufactured a device for a 3.5 year old without fingers on one hand to grasp a hockey stick so that he can play just like his older brother, repaired a young boys new power chair, initiated design on a walker for a set of conjoined twins ( we have already supplied/modified a stander, bather and stroller for them) consulted with the head PT at a major rehab hospital on seating a large man in a chair that is limited in size due to architectural constraints, advised a local dealer on how to adapt a 20 inch Jay 2 back into a 22 inch wide chair. [rest of the spam deleted] Citations, buster, not lying boasts. Even a heating pad manufacturer could provide citations for the independent laboratory findings for their product if asked. Pretty damned revealing that you can't. If your dangerous ugly pegboard-box-on-coasters had the "therapeutic" & "intervention" values you so easily lie about, all you had to do was post the studies that showed this to be true. You didn't. You couldn't. They don't exist. Perhaps your sales pitch works on the duped & endangered, that hardly makes that a good thing. If your point really is that there's a sucker born every minute, I agree some people are so easily duped by a snakeoil salesman. So much so they'd even put a thrashing palsied child in a sharp-edged square box with exposed bolts & other sharp bits. Your therapeutic claims remain unsubstantiated because, quite obviously, wholly untrue. Sure is fun toying with you dearie, seems momma and poppa were quite deficient Just so long as you enjoy the spankings, great. Pretty odd that you do, since your credibility in your unsnappy comebacks is so lacking. You just better hope the mommas & poppas of your customers don't see your attitude toward persons you would regard as "deficient" -- as in deficient enough to be tricked into purchasing sharp-edged grotesquely dangerous products for their equally "deficient" offspring. I've seen your sort before, selling all sorts of worthless devices with every conceivable promise of therapeutic & health values, not even one of them substantiated by anything but the snakeoil pitch & hollow claims. Until the independent lab & peer-review publications are sited, you remain manifestly a liar hornswoggling people with actual needs into buying harmful & unproven substitutes for the real thing. -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(IntarsiaCo) wrote: Until the independent lab & peer-review publications are sited We're regulated by the FDA and CT Department of Consumer Protection know it all. Yeh yeh & you have your retailer liscense too, so what. Still waiting for the SCIENTIFIC citations that provide the basis for your false & misleading claims of therapeutic & "intervention" values -- other than your intervention of peoples' bank accounts for misrepresented & dangerous products. Look dearie, they counted over 1500 crows in DC (the most of any species) over Even if those HAD all been in Ward 3 & 5 of Brookland -- & you've not a clue one way or the other, do you, dumbass -- which is where the mass-die-off occurred, & is not deniable by anyone of even moderate intelligence -- even if 1,500 crows HAD returned to Brookland, your simple inability to comprehend reality would NOT change the space time continuum for the situation reported by Cornell & others in 2002. Of course you're not intelligent enough to tell the difference. Just as a pegboard box with coasters bolted to the wheel has NONE of the medical values you allege for it without even slight foundation. Christmas, you need to admit it and come to terms with that, I know it is a difficult thing to do in your overwrought state, but I believe you can do it. Your ego can't be so fragile that this minor admission will do it irreparable harm, can it?. You're breaking the irony meter, oh medical flimflam scoundral. We're all rooting for you. The royal we I see. I suspected you heard voices in your head. Now you go, get better, but please do return when your condition has stabilized and you've become civilized and housebroken. Have they tried electroshock yet? Perhaps one of those collars they use on dogs to property train and a loved one to push the button when you need correction, have they tried clicker training on you yet, you know it works on dolphins (uh, not the fish dearie). More fun, thanks for the free entertainment I really should be paying you for this. I'm sure you DO pay for most of your spankings. It's one of the most common things you guys ask for, dog collar fantasy & all, so it's quite proper you should be grateful for once to not have to empty your wallet, & won't be bringing any venerial diseases home to sundry family members & the dogs this time, so it's comparatively healthier for you to do it this way. I jsut feel sorry for all those endangered kids stuck in that horrible pegboard box by parents fooled by you into believing they have "therapeutic & intervention" value. Still waiting for those citations kiddle. Your wiggling & wiggling is meaningless since you can't provide the scientific studies that show your medical claims for the dangerously sharp-edged pegboard box have even a slight basis in reality. -paggers -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Until the independent lab & peer-review publications are sited
We're regulated by the FDA and CT Department of Consumer Protection know it all. As you seem to have some kind of skill in pressing a search button, go check it out, you have plenty of time on your hands. That is cited with a c, some editor you are, oh verbose one. Look dearie, they counted over 1500 crows in DC (the most of any species) over Christmas, you need to admit it and come to terms with that, I know it is a difficult thing to do in your overwrought state, but I believe you can do it. Your ego can't be so fragile that this minor admission will do it irreparable harm, can it?. We're all rooting for you. Now you go, get better, but please do return when your condition has stabilized and you've become civilized and housebroken. Have they tried electroshock yet? Perhaps one of those collars they use on dogs to property train and a loved one to push the button when you need correction, have they tried clicker training on you yet, you know it works on dolphins (uh, not the fish dearie). More fun, thanks for the free entertainment I really should be paying you for this. Going home to let the dogs out to play and sow some seed, can't wait to see what drivel you come up with next Jess. Cheers dearie. |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Typical drivel, really not even worth a response this time. The masses are not
rushing to your defense dearie, your failings are quite transparent, more evidence of parental failings. Let this be a lesson to the parents out there, you need to set a strong moral course for your children or you may end up with a sorry soul such as Jess. Normally I would pity a person like you, but your a nasty fruitcake with no redeeming social value. Oh, do I read your response as acknowledging that crows are found in DC, folks, I think we have something here, she has admitted her mistake. This is a positive step, good girl, good girl, want a cookie? |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
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(IntarsiaCo) wrote: Typical drivel, Still waiting for the citations. -paggers -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
Crows eradicated in DC, Paghat debunked
Still waiting for the citations.
I thought you were a better researcher. I'll give you a couple of hints. Check the proceedings for the annual meetings of RESNA for the past 20+ years. See if you can scare up a copy of Positioning for Function by Bergen et al. Unfortunately for you dearie, not everything is on the net. Oh, we're not a retail establishment, we fill medical prescriptions for DME dealers, schools and hospitals. Your ignorance shines bright and your really nothing to crow about, but then again you know that, don't you dearie? Your out of your league you know, back down to the minors for you. |
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