HOWEDY disciple cad,

"Dimpled Chad" wrote in message
...
Boxer and Pool!

Point your browser to www.comcast.net and note today's photo of
the day...
Chad
(If they change it to something w/o a dog, my apologies...)

Didn't The Puppy Wizard told you you can't post here noMOORE?

Perhaps you FORGOT? The Puppy Wizard will REMIND you.

Here's HOWE COME:

HOWEDY disciple cad,

"Dimpled Chad" wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2003, Linda opined:

His methods are totally positive with no pain, fear or
punishment so why is every one so down on this method???

"Every one" has already commented

INDEED. You've lied and intentionally distorted every thing
EVERY decent poster and NON VIOLENT professional trainer
has ever said here, in order to defend your alleged right to hurt
and kill dogs as you see fit.

and countered the idea

With LIES, disciple cad. That's HOWE COME you can't post
here noMOORE, and THAT'S HOWE COME you will NEVER
realize a career in theological esthetics.

that there is "no pain"

Right. There is to be NO physical or emotional opposition
confrontation intimidation or TREATS, REWARDS, or
withholding of BRIBES.

with this "positive punishment" method,

The only "positive punishment" is the punishment you
dog abusers and liars have been suffering at the end
of The Puppy Wizard's leash and pronged spiked pinch
choke collar. Soon as you're expertly TRAINED, you'll
have the benefit of the experience of The Puppy Wizard's
SHOCK COLLAR, to achieve the highest level of proficiency
as dog lovers, trainers, professors of behavior, and theological
estheticists.

your statements to the contrary notwithstanding.

You mean, you're disimssing Professora Daniel's and
Sunshines testimony, in favor of the intentional distortion
and speculation of proven liars and dog abusers who
are for the most part, PROVEN MENTALLY ILL and
determined to do and say ANY THING to DEFEND
their alleged right to jerk and choke dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke collars, shock and beat them with
sticks and pinch and twist their dog's body parts and
lock them in boxes to avoid admitting to the fact that
they CAN'T HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic
puppy dog or the behavior problems they do not
possess the intellectual capacity to solve withHOWET
pain fear force avoidance and death...

OR THEY WOULD.

Wouldn't you.

I am sure most of the people saying he is
mental have never tried his methods to see if they work.

No, they've actually gone further Professora Daniel and called
YOU a LIAR and FORGED POST of The Puppy Wizard, as they
have EVERY OTHER FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student, and lied and distorted what is actually being
taught,
to defend their alleged right to HURT and KILL their best dogs.

Whether he is mentally ill or not is not related to the efficacy
of "his methods,"

The Puppy Wizard does not fear mental illiness, it's only a
symptom of MISHANDLING, unless there's a physical cause,
like brain tumors. Bio chemical "causes" of mental illness are
likeWIZE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING and deficiencies in diet,
as recently discovered at UofOH in their research into
interluken-6
and STRESS and physical breakdHOWEN, or in HOWER case,
as The Puppy Wizard likes to call it: BEING JERRYIZED, a other
physical cause of PHYSICAL DEBILTIATION, HYSTERIA, and DEATH.

The SAME SAME SAME SAME PHYSICAL CAUSE YOUR
HYPERACTIVE fear ridden DOG Frankie suffers from, and
now has a broken back as a direct result of your inability to
NOT HURT HIM when you TRY to force control.

as you know,

As Professora Daniel has stated, her dog Sunshine was
CURED of aggression and OCD behavior problems NEARLY
INSTANTLY, for FREE, simply by doin every thing OPPOSITE
of what she'd been taught by dra mcconnell and Purdue and
several of the most capable professional trainers, highly
recommended by veterinarians and behaviorists, she could find
in two states.

though some have claimed that his postings and
the inference gained from them (whatever that may be)

"Whatever THAT may be" IS, That ALL behavior problems
in children and dogs are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING,
PROVEN by the independent distant observation of dogs
having NO physical or emotional contact with the observer's
of The Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And
A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine.

That MEANS, WE GOT the SCIENCE of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual VERIFIED
INDEPENDENTLY BY ALL NEUTRAL OBSERVERS of the
SCIENCE of The Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will
And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine.

There are child psychologists and clinical psychiatrists
currently STUDYING The Puppy Wizard's METHODS
and MACHINE, disciple cad. They'll probably be posting
here in the next couple of weeks. It'd be very HEELPFUL
if you and your Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug
Cowards were GONE by then, so they don't have to waste
their valuable time dealing with MENTAL PATIENTS HOWETside
of THEIR PROFESSIONAL ENCHOWENTERS.

should lead one to pause and ponder

INDEEDY, disciple cad. THAT MEANS, WE GOT 100%
REPEATABLE RESULTS, INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRMED
by neutral observation of dogs having NO benefit of The
Puppy Wizard's teachings, through HIS AMAZING Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) Machine, verified by some segments of the
scientific behavioral and psychiatric community.

Know what that means? Means you can't post here noMOORE.

The Puppy Wizard is EZ to please. AIN'T HE.

over the claims that he offers regarding his purported panacea.

You mean, the RESULTS The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students INDEPENDENTLY
REPORT RIGHT HERE, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS, FORGERIES,
PAID SHILLS, and SOCK PUPPETS, disciple cad.

You can't post here noMOORE. FERSTAICH?

I am in complete agreement with the later statement.

Well, that's no coincidence, disciple cad. You're a liar and
dog abuser who's recently broken your own hyperactive
little dog's back by jerking and choking IT on lead.

What your post does suggest, though,

Is that Professora Daniel and HOWER dog Sunshine
accomplished in abHOWET WON WEEK what all the
kings horses and all the kings men couldn't and never
would be able to accomplish even after FIVE THOUSAND
DOLLARS and SEVENTY HOWERS of professional training
and all the books she was able to study, including meeting
and reading dra mcconnell's and dr dunbar's and karen
pryor's and gary wilcocks, including her participation on
several dog behavior lists FOR TWO YEARS.

Ain't that correct, Professora Daniel. The Puppy Wizard
will take the liberty of replying a resHOWENDING "YES!"
on behalf of HOWER SERVICE and THERAPY DOG, Sunshine.

is that you didn't ponder carefully the arguments made

The "ARGUMENTS?"

You mean, the false arguments that you and your Gang
Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards are ARGUING
with a university trained Professor of nursing who has done
EVERY THING she could, to NO avail, until she learned
The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method, as has been likeWIZE reported by scores of other
independent FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students INCLUDING professional trainers of twenty
and thirty years experience, like marilyn, for example, who
because of her inabiltiy to MAKE WAVES and come forward
and TELL HOWER READERS that YOU and YOUR dog
abusing Punk Thug Coward PALS are LIARS, was the
dealbreaker for The Puppy Wizard's friendship, and Kay
Pierce, and Lynn who's lesson was reposted today by The
Puppy Wizard for Professora Daniel's ENJOYMENT.

about him

This AIN'T abHOWET The Puppy Wizard, disciple cad.
You've been doin the SAME SAME SAME SAME to EVERY
NON VIOLENT TRAINER WHO'S EVER POSTED HERE...
INCLUDING marilyn, who chose to BE NICE and not confront
you and your miserable evil doer's LIES and DISTORTIONS,
costing her The Puppy Wizard's friendship.

and his posts here.

The Puppy Wizard has written the most comprehensive
advanced behavioral information since Paavlov, descarte,
and skinner. What we're seeing here are the same same
same same results you get with your dogs, from your
ineffective, inappupriate, self serving, abusive, "training
methods."

THIS IS The SYNDROME you're experiencing:

FEAR, GREED, INEPTITUDE, REVENGE, and TOO
MUCH EDUCATION. You got all the RIGHT SOMEBODY
ELSE'S WORDS, which YOU PAID FOR to LEARN, but
you got to rely on LIES and DISTORTION cause you cannot
prove a LIE with FACTS.

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's OWN words:

THE SYNDROME is the perfect synergy of love, pride, desire,
self will, greed, ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, shame, guilt, anger, aversion, attraction,
revulsion, change, permanence, enlightenment, insult,
attrition, and conditioning.

It's the perfect fusion of The Word..., in the physcial.

That's HOWE COME we're all here, IMNTBHO.

Care to discuss your "MAJOR" with The Puppy Wizard, theological
esthetician, disciple cad? As a word weasel, The Puppy Wizard
doesn't
stand a chance against you and professor SCRUFF SHAKE, but as a
DOG TRAINER with HARD EVIDENCE, HE don't NEED fancy words
and psychological and spiritual DOUBLETALK.

The Puppy Wizard just calls a spade a spade and PROVES IT
with DATA and CASE HISTORIES of good folks like Professora
Daniel, you know, a other of The Puppy Wizard's FORGERIES.

That's too bad, Linda.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you can't post here
noMOORE disciple cad, and THAT'S HOWE COME
you will NEVER realize a career in the ministry of
BEGGIN MONEY off of folks like ed w of PET LOSS
dot CON does, cause like HOWE The Puppy Wizard's
DADDY SEZ: "You're only as good as your word. When
YOU GET BAGGED for LYING, YOU'RE MARKED FOR
LIFE."

The Puppy Wizard intends to keep you and eddie and
professor SCRUFF SHAKE IN THE NEWS for many
years to come...

All you've offered is a regurgation of platitudes Jerry
is offering (see the first sentence quoted above).

You mean "His methods are totally positive with no pain,
fear or punishment so why is every one so down on this
method???"

GOOD POINT, disciple cad. Professora Daniel OVERLOOKED
NO FORCE, BRIBES, AVOIDANCE, and INTIMIDATION, to boot.

Thank you for bein a careful study.

You've missed where people point others towards praise

Praise after the fact is as useless as "rewards" after the fact
or "clicking" after the fact. IT WON'T WORK. WE are talking
abHOWET a PRECISE, SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
GESTALT, not a little from column A and a little from column
B. We're talkin SCIENCE, not dog abuse, avoidance, and bribery.

and distraction

NO. You and your pals use AVOIDANCE and think
it's a distraction and then you praise that the dog is
NO LONGER THINKING OF THE INAPPUPRIATE
BEHAVIOR, which is EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE of
what The Puppy Wizard teaches in YOUR FREE
COPY of HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.

(as well as other) techniques,

You mean, like choking and shocking bribing scruff
shaking and locking IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation?

some of which are used by WETM,

Sorry disciple cad, there's not much The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method shares in
common with ANY of the current pupular methods or
The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students wouldn't GET 100% CONSISTENT
RESULTS as they REPORT RIGHT HERE.

Would THEY.

You know, the WONS YOU CALL LIARS.

but proffered by more reliable

Well, HOWE COME those RELIABLE sources WON'T DISPUTE
The Puppy Wizard instead of hiding behind your "kill filters"
which SEEM TO FAIL everytime The Puppy Wizard SHAFTS
YOU AGAIN?

You know, the [Jerry] "NINNYBOY" in the subject headers
and instructions to snip pertinent text and trim crossposts
TO AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.

and less abusive sources.

You mean, like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and captain
arthur haggerty and booby maida and professor SCRUFF
SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds
and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer
of HOWER department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI?

HOWER good professor KILLFILED marilyn for reporting
the same same same same RESULTS as the OP in this
thread, Chris, from AU got for her separation anxiety problem.
But marilyn is a professional trainer working abHOWET 100
dogs a month, and gets CONSISTENT RESULTS using The
Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bedtime
Calming Technique for EVERY WON of her student's whom
she's recommended it to. REMEMBER?

Seems interesting that this original post was about how well
his
approach for separation anxiey worked but no one was
interested in

"Worked EVERY TIME, THE FIRST TIME" sez marilyn.

Doesn't seem interesting at all to me....

Right! SHOWENDS like the DEATH KNELL and FUNERAL DIRGE
for HOWER DOG ABUSERS and YOUR CAREER as a theological
esthetics graduate from UofIL, disciple cad.

DON'T IT.

BWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

WHO'S THE MENTAL CASE, disciple cad? Hmm?

Crap by and/or about Jerry fills
these virtual halls daily. Blah blah blah...

Tsk, tsk, tsk, disciple cad. Seems all your nanna's hard
earned dHOWE was WASTED on your university education.

learning more about the subject instead spent all the time
discussing
Jerry's mental health. It seems to me all of you are mentally
ill
rather than Jerry who has helped so many of us!!!!!!!

INDEEDY. The Puppy Wizard SPECIALIZES in training and
rehabilitating problem dogs all over The Whole Wild World,
from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid.

EVEN IF THEY DON'T EVEN OWN THE DOG, through HIS

Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A
Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine, AS VERIFIED by Misty
and katra and Lisa B and YOUR shelter / rescue saviour,
disciple cris:

From: Chris Williams )
Subject: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

==============================


The Puppy Wizzzard got NEWS for ya, MENTAL CASE.
HE DON'T GIVE A CRAP what ANYBODY THINKS. The
Puppy Wizzzard's got goddamned MAGICK goin for HIM.

Then you *clearly* haven't read or absorbed any of Jerry's
postings here.

"Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should
Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers," Kay
Pierce, Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

The Puppy Wizard came here to IDENTIFY, EXXXPOSE, DISCREDIT,
and DISPATCH HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards
startin with HOWER professors of behaviorISM, professional
trainers and
of late, HOWER university trained theological estheticians...

That's been DONE, disciple cad. You can't post here noMOORE.

Maybe you could re-read them,

They're FACTUAL and PROFHOWEND, disciple cad.
That's HOWE COME you and your university educated
PALS WON'T DISCUSS BUSINESS with The Puppy
Wizard or ANY of HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students whom YOU CALL LIARS PAID
SHILLS and FORGERIES.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual. } ; ~ )

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as
being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer


and pay careful attention to how he hurls invective

Does that word "invective" mean the same same same same
as The Puppy Wizard's use of the professional Wizard's term,
CURSE, disciple cad?

at *anyone* not sucking up to him (as you are now).

You mean, on accHOWENT of Professora Daniel and
Sunshine CURED their aggressive temperament and
OCD behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY, disciple cad?

Particularly vile is the way he mocks injured or dead companion
pets

Oh? You mean the DEAD and DISABLED DOGS you and
your pals GET as a direct result of MISHANDLING?

See professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer's little dog Maxie The
Magnificent Obsessively Compulsive Maturbator's PHYSICAL
SYMPTOMS of five years of STRESS from "havin his behaviors
punished, and NOT the dog," so sez Gunga Din.

and their owners,

You mean, their own dog owner's LIKE YOU who've broken
their dog's bones and MURDERED THEM by NEGLECT FEAR
FORCE INTIMIDATION and DISREGARD for EVERY THING
DECENT, The Puppy Wizard teaches, disciple cad?

especially when they are in the midst of grief.

Oh? You mean like Misty and Robert Crim? Or do you
means like steve walker and chrisman dinan and purple
pony, to name a few?

That you want to align yourslef with

INDEEDY, theological esthetician disciple cad. Professora
Daniel and Sunshine are dedicated to availing others of the
same same same same proven consistant EXCELLENT
INFORMATION which CURES ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS,
NEARLY INSTANTLY.

that is your matter

NO. That is YOUR matter, nHOWE, disciple cad.

You're finished in theological ANYTHING.

(the drive-by DDR adverts are another thing,

Oh? You mean that Professora Daniel has likeWIZE VERIFIED
The Puppy Wizard's "AMAZING, MIRACULHOWES, LIFE SAVING"
Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) Machine, likeWIZE as Misty has VERIFIED in her
posts abHOWET her Cockatoo Buddy getting TRAINED
AUTOMAGICKALLY to be calm and NOT BITE HER CHILD,
disciple cad?

A parrot bite could sever the arm of a child, don't you know?

You and your pals LIED to Misty and got her dog Peaches DEAD
ON HER cause you told her similar arguments as above. THAT
cost her a few days trying to figger HOWET what's goin dHOWEN
HERE, the few days that Peach DIDN'T HAVE AVAILABLE to become
REHABILITATED, NEARLY INSTANTLY, thanks to roo (alikat) and
ed w of PET LOSS dot CON and their ilk. Like YOU, for example.

and I find it sad that you didn't respond to ample questions

Oh? What questions did Professora Daniel NOT respond to?

when you came by several months ago and are being mostly
dismissed and ignored now because of that).

"IGNORED?" Oh? Like your post here of today? Or does
disciple cad mean "IGNORED" by the PROVEN MENTALLY
ILL list of ALL STARZ DOG ABUSERS Soup has researched
and compiled FOR HOWER EDIFICATION?

If its not mental illness than its intentional harm,

INDEEDY, IT'S BOTH MENTAL ILLNESS AND INTENTIONAL HARM.

That's HOWE COME DECENT people seldom post here since
The Puppy Wizard has EXXXPOSED YOU.

That's what The Puppy Wizard has determined and is
abHOWET to PROVE in his forthcoming doctoral thesis,
"The SYNDROME."

which is in itself bad enough for anyone to dismiss his
claims of wanting to aid pets and their humans.

INDEEDY! That's PART of The SYNDROME, disciple cad.

Chad
--
Looking for a pet? Adopt one! ** http://www.petfinder.com

Your "shelter" and "rescue" organizations are abHOWET
to come under SCRUTINY like no other "CHARITABLE"
organizations have EVER faced in history,disciple cad.

Info for a healthy, happy dog? * http://www.dog-play.com

Your pal Master Of Deception blankman is not gonna continue
posting her most viciHOWES sites under the disguise of "DOG
PLAY."

Their very silence is a loud cry. - Cicero

Oh? INDEED? Like THIS, disciple cad?:

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
"With him, words play no torturing tricks.........., " John
Galsworthy.
Their behaviors reflect our words, actions, and training quirks.
Jerry
HOWE.

Or did you mean, like THIS, disciple cad?:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for
Bitter
Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this
mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL
BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with
a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her
babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that
is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

Jerome Bigge writes:
I do know that hitting, hurting
your dog will often make the
dog either aggressive or a fear
biter, neither of which we want to do.

And neither does anyone else,
Jerome. No matter
what Jerry Howe states.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

You're scary Marilyn.

Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
individual. I feel very sorry for her
and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

BUT, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, please provide a quote (an
original quote, not from one of Jerry
Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or
using an abusive form of training.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"BethF" wrote in message
...

"Frank" wrote in message
om...
URK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
...
"brianev" wrote:
I ENJOYED reading your book, and
AGREED with what you had to say.
I find it sick to hear what people
do with their dogs.
:
Keep in mind that everything he says that
the regular posters of this ng do to their
dogs are lies.

All of it. Every last bit.

All of it?

Ear pinching?

Shock collars?

Spiked chokers?

The regulars lie more in their denials than
Howe does in his accusing of them.

Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
would see denials when everyone has Jerry
killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
let alone respond to them.

"Rocky" wrote in message
. 1.4...

Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

When you compare using sound and
praise to solve a problem with using
shock collars, hanging, and punishment
how can you criticize the use of sound?

There's nothing more to be said, then.
You've made up your mind.

But you've impressed me by mentioning
that you're a professor with 30 years of
experience.

So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the
heel of
your palm.

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...

Di,

I don't believe you mentioned a particular
kind of training. If you are interested in
training retrieval behavior than do
consider our own Amy Dahl's:

The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
Well-Mannered, Obedient and
Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?

just $17.95 at Amazon.com.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
--Marshall

Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.

From: Marshall Dermer )
In article
writes:

-snip headers etc.

Yes. you're right, I really should find
the book.. they don't have these books
in the local pet stores I frequent, where
do you find Koehler?

I got a nice large print copy from
Amazon.com

Richard

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?