THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.

--

x

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

Helen,

For the past two years I have offered free, postage paid seeds when I had
extras. EVERY person I sent seeds to replied. Some replied multiple times
and two sent me Christmas cards this year. Go figure.

--beeky



Helen J. Foss wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.

--

x

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"chaz" wrote in message
...

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks
like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Chaz, you appear to be one of those boorish individuals who doesn't
understand that a simple "thank you" is not an expected payment but only
common courtesy.

- Dewolla

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"Helen J. Foss" wrote in message
...
For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-

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"Helen J. Foss" wrote in message
...
For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

Helen,

For the past two years I have offered free, postage paid seeds when I had
extras. EVERY person I sent seeds to replied. Some replied multiple times
and two sent me Christmas cards this year. Go figure.

--beeky



Helen J. Foss wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.

--

x

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"chaz" wrote in message
...

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks
like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Chaz, you appear to be one of those boorish individuals who doesn't
understand that a simple "thank you" is not an expected payment but only
common courtesy.

- Dewolla

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"chaz" wrote:

"Helen J. Foss" wrote:
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment.......and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Common courtesy is not payment, it is just common courtesy.
The lack of common courtesy breeds resentment.

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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"chaz" wrote:

"Helen J. Foss" wrote:
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment.......and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Common courtesy is not payment, it is just common courtesy.
The lack of common courtesy breeds resentment.

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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(Helen J. Foss) wrote:

A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?

Your gesture was very nice and it is too bad that some people elected to
receive and not give. Just one question Helen, did you include your
email address with the seeds? There may be some that lost your email
address. I didn't ask for or get any seeds, but I lost all email I
received over a 10 month period when I had a computer glitch. It
happens. Also, there is a mean-spirited troll on this group that would
ask for anything you offered but put in a fictitious address.

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
Visit my Rhododendron and Azalea web pages at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhody.html
Also visit the Rhododendron and Azalea Bookstore at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhodybooks.html
Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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(Helen J. Foss) wrote:

A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?

Your gesture was very nice and it is too bad that some people elected to
receive and not give. Just one question Helen, did you include your
email address with the seeds? There may be some that lost your email
address. I didn't ask for or get any seeds, but I lost all email I
received over a 10 month period when I had a computer glitch. It
happens. Also, there is a mean-spirited troll on this group that would
ask for anything you offered but put in a fictitious address.

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
Visit my Rhododendron and Azalea web pages at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhody.html
Also visit the Rhododendron and Azalea Bookstore at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhodybooks.html
Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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"Dewolla Stepon" wrote in message
news:pKF5c.22727$1p.430714@attbi_s54...
"chaz" wrote in message
...

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks
like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Chaz, you appear to be one of those boorish individuals who doesn't
understand that a simple "thank you" is not an expected payment but only
common courtesy.

- Dewolla



Boorish? I dont think I am..........my point was if the THANK YOU is
"expected" then there is a price for the "gift"

I agree 1000% that a thank you is in order, I just would go getting upset if
I didnt get one.

chaz

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"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in message
...
"chaz" wrote:

"Helen J. Foss" wrote:
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my
labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too
much
to ask for.

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment.......and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Common courtesy is not payment, it is just common courtesy.
The lack of common courtesy breeds resentment.

Perhaps, but it germinates because of the expectation.

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

"Dewolla Stepon" wrote in message
news:pKF5c.22727$1p.430714@attbi_s54...
"chaz" wrote in message
...

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks
like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Chaz, you appear to be one of those boorish individuals who doesn't
understand that a simple "thank you" is not an expected payment but only
common courtesy.

- Dewolla



Boorish? I dont think I am..........my point was if the THANK YOU is
"expected" then there is a price for the "gift"

I agree 1000% that a thank you is in order, I just would go getting upset if
I didnt get one.

chaz

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"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in message
...
"chaz" wrote:

"Helen J. Foss" wrote:
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my
labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too
much
to ask for.

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment.......and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Common courtesy is not payment, it is just common courtesy.
The lack of common courtesy breeds resentment.

Perhaps, but it germinates because of the expectation.

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

Helen J. Foss wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


If I recall correctly, you posted the "real life" names and addresses of
a bunch of the people you sent seeds too. (It's been a while so I could
be mistaken, but I do remember being shocked by something like that)

After being "outted" like that, some folks may have not wanted anything
more to do with you or your seeds.

I sent some dried peppers a few years ago to someone in Canada and they
were never delivered. Customs agents probably confiscated them and
didn't bother to send a postcard stating such. We had exchanged seeds
previously without any problems. So maybe people never sent you a
"thank-you" because they never received the seeds.

Just a few observations,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

Helen J. Foss wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


If I recall correctly, you posted the "real life" names and addresses of
a bunch of the people you sent seeds too. (It's been a while so I could
be mistaken, but I do remember being shocked by something like that)

After being "outted" like that, some folks may have not wanted anything
more to do with you or your seeds.

I sent some dried peppers a few years ago to someone in Canada and they
were never delivered. Customs agents probably confiscated them and
didn't bother to send a postcard stating such. We had exchanged seeds
previously without any problems. So maybe people never sent you a
"thank-you" because they never received the seeds.

Just a few observations,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

In article ,
(Helen J. Foss) wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


You sound a little needy, which might be off-putting to some seed
recipients. Certainly there is a type of gardener too cheapy-ass to buy
even a $2 seedling or a packet of seeds, the sorts of bungholes who just
want something for nothing. Because of my website, I have beggars emailing
me for cuttings & seeds several times a week, as there seem to be no end
of ******s cruising the web looking for free plants from perfect strangers
because they apparently have no actual friends with whom to trade plants.
I ignore most of them or send them links to commercial sources, but when I
can I do occasionally share things with friends & correspondents, though
mainly with visitors rather than with emailers.

Despite my own cynical views of the matter, people have sent me things
from time to time which they thought I would enjoy, which I often did
enjoy, which I never failed to thank them for. I've also occasionally sent
seedlings or bulbs to people, wanting or expecting nothing in trade, & no
one has ever failed to thank me; most have even sent follow-up reports on
how stuff is doing in their yards.

If a curmudgeonly old carlin like myself can share stuff with 100% happy
outcomes, but you share hundreds of times only to become embittered by
insufficient degrees of gratitude -- well, it does sound like you might
need to LOOK INSIDE YOURSELF for the causes of your disappointment.
Whatever good karma you would otherwise be storing up goes down the drain
if you whine about insufficient sphincter-sucking from people to whom
you've given seeds.

If you feel so owed by your good deed, ask people you don't know to send
you a stamped self-addressed envelop to receive the seeds. That way, if
they fail to meet your standards for their gratitude, at least you haven't
wasted a stamp on them.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

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In article ,
(Helen J. Foss) wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


You sound a little needy, which might be off-putting to some seed
recipients. Certainly there is a type of gardener too cheapy-ass to buy
even a $2 seedling or a packet of seeds, the sorts of bungholes who just
want something for nothing. Because of my website, I have beggars emailing
me for cuttings & seeds several times a week, as there seem to be no end
of ******s cruising the web looking for free plants from perfect strangers
because they apparently have no actual friends with whom to trade plants.
I ignore most of them or send them links to commercial sources, but when I
can I do occasionally share things with friends & correspondents, though
mainly with visitors rather than with emailers.

Despite my own cynical views of the matter, people have sent me things
from time to time which they thought I would enjoy, which I often did
enjoy, which I never failed to thank them for. I've also occasionally sent
seedlings or bulbs to people, wanting or expecting nothing in trade, & no
one has ever failed to thank me; most have even sent follow-up reports on
how stuff is doing in their yards.

If a curmudgeonly old carlin like myself can share stuff with 100% happy
outcomes, but you share hundreds of times only to become embittered by
insufficient degrees of gratitude -- well, it does sound like you might
need to LOOK INSIDE YOURSELF for the causes of your disappointment.
Whatever good karma you would otherwise be storing up goes down the drain
if you whine about insufficient sphincter-sucking from people to whom
you've given seeds.

If you feel so owed by your good deed, ask people you don't know to send
you a stamped self-addressed envelop to receive the seeds. That way, if
they fail to meet your standards for their gratitude, at least you haven't
wasted a stamp on them.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

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In article ,
(Helen J. Foss) wrote:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.


You sound a little needy, which might be off-putting to some seed
recipients. Certainly there is a type of gardener too cheapy-ass to buy
even a $2 seedling or a packet of seeds, the sorts of bungholes who just
want something for nothing. Because of my website, I have beggars emailing
me for cuttings & seeds several times a week, as there seem to be no end
of ******s cruising the web looking for free plants from perfect strangers
because they apparently have no actual friends with whom to trade plants.
I ignore most of them or send them links to commercial sources, but when I
can I do occasionally share things with friends & correspondents, though
mainly with visitors rather than with emailers.

Despite my own cynical views of the matter, people have sent me things
from time to time which they thought I would enjoy, which I often did
enjoy, which I never failed to thank them for. I've also occasionally sent
seedlings or bulbs to people, wanting or expecting nothing in trade, & no
one has ever failed to thank me; most have even sent follow-up reports on
how stuff is doing in their yards.

If a curmudgeonly old carlin like myself can share stuff with 100% happy
outcomes, but you share hundreds of times only to become embittered by
insufficient degrees of gratitude -- well, it does sound like you might
need to LOOK INSIDE YOURSELF for the causes of your disappointment.
Whatever good karma you would otherwise be storing up goes down the drain
if you whine about insufficient sphincter-sucking from people to whom
you've given seeds.

If you feel so owed by your good deed, ask people you don't know to send
you a stamped self-addressed envelop to receive the seeds. That way, if
they fail to meet your standards for their gratitude, at least you haven't
wasted a stamp on them.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

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zxcvbob wrote:

If I recall correctly, you posted the "real life" names and addresses of
a bunch of the people you sent seeds too. (It's been a while so I could
be mistaken, but I do remember being shocked by something like that)

You must be mistaken. I searched all of Helen's old posting and none
were like that. She did post peoples names but no addresses or email
addresses. She apparently likes to send through the news group rather
than email. However I did run across a number of people who tried to
email her and the email bounced:

"Helen (aka "The Saint") will no doubt answer for herself, but I did
hear from her that she has been having email problems as well. I
don't hit "reply" to her messages, but instead cut & paste her email
address into a new message. They don't seem to bounce."

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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zxcvbob wrote:

If I recall correctly, you posted the "real life" names and addresses of
a bunch of the people you sent seeds too. (It's been a while so I could
be mistaken, but I do remember being shocked by something like that)

You must be mistaken. I searched all of Helen's old posting and none
were like that. She did post peoples names but no addresses or email
addresses. She apparently likes to send through the news group rather
than email. However I did run across a number of people who tried to
email her and the email bounced:

"Helen (aka "The Saint") will no doubt answer for herself, but I did
hear from her that she has been having email problems as well. I
don't hit "reply" to her messages, but instead cut & paste her email
address into a new message. They don't seem to bounce."

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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zxcvbob wrote:

If I recall correctly, you posted the "real life" names and addresses of
a bunch of the people you sent seeds too. (It's been a while so I could
be mistaken, but I do remember being shocked by something like that)

You must be mistaken. I searched all of Helen's old posting and none
were like that. She did post peoples names but no addresses or email
addresses. She apparently likes to send through the news group rather
than email. However I did run across a number of people who tried to
email her and the email bounced:

"Helen (aka "The Saint") will no doubt answer for herself, but I did
hear from her that she has been having email problems as well. I
don't hit "reply" to her messages, but instead cut & paste her email
address into a new message. They don't seem to bounce."

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:11:55 -0800,
(paghat) wrote:

(Helen J. Foss) wrote:

I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.

You sound a little needy,

She doesn't sound needy; she sounds angry. And justifiably so, to my
mind. She *did* request to be notified when the seeds arrived, which
is little enough. Type an e-mail address and 15 extra keys and it's
done. Like so many good things in life, a bunch of yahoos can ruin it
for the Rest of Us.

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"chaz" wrote in message
...


It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks
like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-


you seem to forget that it's not a demand of payment to ask for a simple
"thank you". that's common decency. That's like offering someone half your
sandwich and they take it, eat it and walk away. Helen isn't asking for any
payment. she's asking for THANKS and confirmation that they RECEIVED their
seeds! geeze. I know you were raised better than to think this!
sigh.........
madgardener who appreciates any seed, root, tuber, bulb or division from
anyone who sends them to her---------------

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madgardener wrote:

"chaz" wrote in message
...



It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks

like

you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-



you seem to forget that it's not a demand of payment to ask for a simple
"thank you". that's common decency. That's like offering someone half your
sandwich and they take it, eat it and walk away. Helen isn't asking for any
payment. she's asking for THANKS and confirmation that they RECEIVED their
seeds! geeze. I know you were raised better than to think this!
sigh.........
madgardener who appreciates any seed, root, tuber, bulb or division from
anyone who sends them to her---------------


Lest anyone get the idea from my previous message, I don't really blame
Helen for getting upset; I remember how ****ed I was when I exchanged
some aquatic plants with someone on rec.aquaria.frshwater.plants and
they stiffed me. I picked out my very best extra java ferns and wrapped
them carefully and sent them priority mail. I don't remember what kind
of plants I was supposed to get in return, but I never heard back from
the guy. I sent him an email to see if they had arrived OK, and he said
they were great. And he never sent me anything. I sent a reminder
email a few weeks later and he never replied. I was only out a couple
of dollars for the postage, but I *really* felt hurt and angry about
being taken advantage of.

Maybe he sent them and they got lost in the mail. I tend to believe
that a certain [large] percentage people are just assholes, and I don't
do exchanges anymore unless I'm OK with getting nothing back.

Best regards,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

"chaz" wrote in message
...


It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks
like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-


you seem to forget that it's not a demand of payment to ask for a simple
"thank you". that's common decency. That's like offering someone half your
sandwich and they take it, eat it and walk away. Helen isn't asking for any
payment. she's asking for THANKS and confirmation that they RECEIVED their
seeds! geeze. I know you were raised better than to think this!
sigh.........
madgardener who appreciates any seed, root, tuber, bulb or division from
anyone who sends them to her---------------

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

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madgardener wrote:

"chaz" wrote in message
...



It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks

like

you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-



you seem to forget that it's not a demand of payment to ask for a simple
"thank you". that's common decency. That's like offering someone half your
sandwich and they take it, eat it and walk away. Helen isn't asking for any
payment. she's asking for THANKS and confirmation that they RECEIVED their
seeds! geeze. I know you were raised better than to think this!
sigh.........
madgardener who appreciates any seed, root, tuber, bulb or division from
anyone who sends them to her---------------


Lest anyone get the idea from my previous message, I don't really blame
Helen for getting upset; I remember how ****ed I was when I exchanged
some aquatic plants with someone on rec.aquaria.frshwater.plants and
they stiffed me. I picked out my very best extra java ferns and wrapped
them carefully and sent them priority mail. I don't remember what kind
of plants I was supposed to get in return, but I never heard back from
the guy. I sent him an email to see if they had arrived OK, and he said
they were great. And he never sent me anything. I sent a reminder
email a few weeks later and he never replied. I was only out a couple
of dollars for the postage, but I *really* felt hurt and angry about
being taken advantage of.

Maybe he sent them and they got lost in the mail. I tend to believe
that a certain [large] percentage people are just assholes, and I don't
do exchanges anymore unless I'm OK with getting nothing back.

Best regards,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

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madgardener wrote:

"chaz" wrote in message
...



It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks

like

you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

chaz-



you seem to forget that it's not a demand of payment to ask for a simple
"thank you". that's common decency. That's like offering someone half your
sandwich and they take it, eat it and walk away. Helen isn't asking for any
payment. she's asking for THANKS and confirmation that they RECEIVED their
seeds! geeze. I know you were raised better than to think this!
sigh.........
madgardener who appreciates any seed, root, tuber, bulb or division from
anyone who sends them to her---------------


Lest anyone get the idea from my previous message, I don't really blame
Helen for getting upset; I remember how ****ed I was when I exchanged
some aquatic plants with someone on rec.aquaria.frshwater.plants and
they stiffed me. I picked out my very best extra java ferns and wrapped
them carefully and sent them priority mail. I don't remember what kind
of plants I was supposed to get in return, but I never heard back from
the guy. I sent him an email to see if they had arrived OK, and he said
they were great. And he never sent me anything. I sent a reminder
email a few weeks later and he never replied. I was only out a couple
of dollars for the postage, but I *really* felt hurt and angry about
being taken advantage of.

Maybe he sent them and they got lost in the mail. I tend to believe
that a certain [large] percentage people are just assholes, and I don't
do exchanges anymore unless I'm OK with getting nothing back.

Best regards,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

"chaz" expounded:

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Oh, bullshit. Simple grattitude doesn't cost you a damned thing.
Helen deserved thanx for every single recipient, and she surely
shouldn't have had to post what she did. I never took her up on her
kind offer; shame on any who didn't thank her.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

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"chaz" expounded:

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Oh, bullshit. Simple grattitude doesn't cost you a damned thing.
Helen deserved thanx for every single recipient, and she surely
shouldn't have had to post what she did. I never took her up on her
kind offer; shame on any who didn't thank her.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:56:20 -0500, Ann wrote:

"chaz" expounded:

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Oh, bullshit. Simple grattitude doesn't cost you a damned thing.
Helen deserved thanx for every single recipient, and she surely
shouldn't have had to post what she did. I never took her up on her
kind offer; shame on any who didn't thank her.

I agree with you and Maddie on the thank you. That's what I'd want.
But Helen didn't ask for a thank just an acknowledgement that they'd
arrived.

I think we should come up with some really good lines for Helen to use
when these same jerks want seconds on the seeds.

Uuhhh.........but before I get too mouthy, Helen have yous sent me any
seeds lately?

zhan

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"chaz" expounded:

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Oh, bullshit. Simple grattitude doesn't cost you a damned thing.
Helen deserved thanx for every single recipient, and she surely
shouldn't have had to post what she did. I never took her up on her
kind offer; shame on any who didn't thank her.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:56:20 -0500, Ann wrote:

"chaz" expounded:

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment............and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Oh, bullshit. Simple grattitude doesn't cost you a damned thing.
Helen deserved thanx for every single recipient, and she surely
shouldn't have had to post what she did. I never took her up on her
kind offer; shame on any who didn't thank her.

I agree with you and Maddie on the thank you. That's what I'd want.
But Helen didn't ask for a thank just an acknowledgement that they'd
arrived.

I think we should come up with some really good lines for Helen to use
when these same jerks want seconds on the seeds.

Uuhhh.........but before I get too mouthy, Helen have yous sent me any
seeds lately?

zhan

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

no harm no foul Bob. I knew you were a good guy, but if youse looks at your
reply it almost looks like your chastising Helen for wanting a thank you.
Yer ok in my book! (I've had the same thing with a few sharings of my own
divisions and let it go.........)
maddie
"zxcvbob" wrote in message Lest anyone get the idea
from my previous message, I don't really blame
Helen for getting upset; I remember how ****ed I was when I exchanged
some aquatic plants with someone on rec.aquaria.frshwater.plants and
they stiffed me. I picked out my very best extra java ferns and wrapped
them carefully and sent them priority mail. I don't remember what kind
of plants I was supposed to get in return, but I never heard back from
the guy. I sent him an email to see if they had arrived OK, and he said
they were great. And he never sent me anything. I sent a reminder
email a few weeks later and he never replied. I was only out a couple
of dollars for the postage, but I *really* felt hurt and angry about
being taken advantage of.

Maybe he sent them and they got lost in the mail. I tend to believe
that a certain [large] percentage people are just assholes, and I don't
do exchanges anymore unless I'm OK with getting nothing back.

Best regards,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

no harm no foul Bob. I knew you were a good guy, but if youse looks at your
reply it almost looks like your chastising Helen for wanting a thank you.
Yer ok in my book! (I've had the same thing with a few sharings of my own
divisions and let it go.........)
maddie
"zxcvbob" wrote in message Lest anyone get the idea
from my previous message, I don't really blame
Helen for getting upset; I remember how ****ed I was when I exchanged
some aquatic plants with someone on rec.aquaria.frshwater.plants and
they stiffed me. I picked out my very best extra java ferns and wrapped
them carefully and sent them priority mail. I don't remember what kind
of plants I was supposed to get in return, but I never heard back from
the guy. I sent him an email to see if they had arrived OK, and he said
they were great. And he never sent me anything. I sent a reminder
email a few weeks later and he never replied. I was only out a couple
of dollars for the postage, but I *really* felt hurt and angry about
being taken advantage of.

Maybe he sent them and they got lost in the mail. I tend to believe
that a certain [large] percentage people are just assholes, and I don't
do exchanges anymore unless I'm OK with getting nothing back.

Best regards,
Bob

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

I do the same and get the same results as you. I expressed the exact same thing
you are here and I still got no results. So, now if I send seeds, I have
completely let go of anything, including a notification of receipt. However, I
do a lot less seed sharing. I'm busy with my life and garden. Friends I've
met over the years are who I still send plants or seeds to. NObody else.

Victoria


On 16 Mar 2004 15:03:24 GMT, (Helen J. Foss) opined:

For several years now I have posted 'FREE SEEDS - POSTAGE PAID' on
rec/gardens and received multi requests for tomato seeds.
I filled the requests for what folks asked for. Took the time to
label the individual little 'baggies', insert the seeds, secured them
between cardboard sheets and mailed them off at my own expense. I didn't,
and don't have a problem with this.
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.
A few offered me some different seeds, which I though was a nice
gesture on their part, and I accepted the offer. To this day I have not
received any seeds, but that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact
that a few of the ones I sent seeds to, didn't have the common courtesy to
sit at the keyboard for one minute, and tell me they received the
seeds....how long does it take to say 'I got them'?
I have sent seeds to many States, Alaska (I know it's a State),
Australia, United Kingdom and Wales and received reports that the seeds
have done well in their area.
Now suddenly I'm receiving further requests for seeds, and have
already maialed out over 150 packets, for which I have received replies of
their arrival.
To the folks that sent me messages telling me of their arrival, I
say a BIG THANK you, and hope I'll be able to send you some new and
different seeds next fall.
To the folks that were too busy to spend a minute on the
keyboard, I say THANKS FOR NOTHING, and there will be no further shipments
from this source.
To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.

THANKS - AND THANKS FOR NOTHING
 

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:48:17 GMT, "Stephen M. Henning" opined:

"chaz" wrote:

"Helen J. Foss" wrote:
I put together over 300 packets last fall alone and enjoyed doing
it. The ONLY thing I asked in return was that the recipients of my labors,
notify me when they received the seeds....I don't think that was too much
to ask for.

It isnt FREE if you demand some sort of payment.......and it looks like
you do. Expectation breeds resentment.

Common courtesy is not payment, it is just common courtesy.
The lack of common courtesy breeds resentment.

You are right, on one hand. ON the other hand, it is only ME who can breed
resentment. So, I either detach from it, or I discontinue doing it. Either way,
I'm responsible with how I react.

It seems that, in my perception anyway, people in this great country, the USA
have become almost barbaric. Common decency or common respect is virtually
gone. People do it if it feels good. I have no understanding on any level how
certain people do the things they do. So, I become more and more reclusive and
closer and closer to a very small circle of people.

I really can't take the constant whining and complaining about life. It's too
short and I have joy in my life. I'd like to kee it that way.

V

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madgardener wrote:
no harm no foul Bob. I knew you were a good guy, but if youse looks at your
reply it almost looks like your chastising Helen for wanting a thank you.
Yer ok in my book! (I've had the same thing with a few sharings of my own
divisions and let it go.........)
maddie


Thanks; that's why I wrote a follow-up message [below].
I reread my first message, and it came across a lot harsher than I
intended. I just meant to say that Helen may have inadvertently
offended some folks ("Have a nice day" can cause some people to burst
into tears) so they didn't reply. Some of the seeds may have been lost
in the mail or confiscated by Customs. And some of the recipients were
probably just assholes, but sadly that is to be expected too.

Don't assume that everyone who didn't respond is an jerk; most of them
are, but you can't tell which ones. It's easier to "let it go" that way
(at least in the same situation, it's easier for me.)

Best regards,
Bob


"zxcvbob" wrote in message Lest anyone get the idea
from my previous message, I don't really blame

Helen for getting upset; I remember how ****ed I was when I exchanged
some aquatic plants with someone on rec.aquaria.frshwater.plants and
they stiffed me. I picked out my very best extra java ferns and wrapped
them carefully and sent them priority mail. I don't remember what kind
of plants I was supposed to get in return, but I never heard back from
the guy. I sent him an email to see if they had arrived OK, and he said
they were great. And he never sent me anything. I sent a reminder
email a few weeks later and he never replied. I was only out a couple
of dollars for the postage, but I *really* felt hurt and angry about
being taken advantage of.

Maybe he sent them and they got lost in the mail. I tend to believe
that a certain [large] percentage people are just assholes, and I don't
do exchanges anymore unless I'm OK with getting nothing back.

Best regards,
Bob

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On 16 Mar 2004 15:03:24 GMT in ,
(Helen J. Foss) graced the world with this
thought:


To those who want to flame me, just want to say that I had to vent
my disappointment in certain people that have no time to show a little
common courtesy to a fellow gardener.
Hope you all have a great growing season and abundant crops.

Take a pill.