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Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
I just love Brugmansias, but I can't buy one because I'd be too
worried about my dog who has a habit of sleeping under trees. Is there a similar looking non-poisonous plant/ornamental tree that can survive in zone 8? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jeanne, Seattle, WA |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
I just love Brugmansias, but I can't buy one because I'd be too
worried about my dog who has a habit of sleeping under trees. Is there a similar looking non-poisonous plant/ornamental tree that can survive in zone 8? Any information would be greatly appreciated. First, a Brug may survive zone 8, but unless you either bring it inside or under cover in winter, it will be severely cut back. They really work best when put in the basement and watered but little until Spring. Second, they aren't trees, and I can't imagine the dog sleeping under it, or suffering even if he did. Third, no, there isn't any other equivalent. What makes you worry about the dog? |
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Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
"Bill Spohn" wrote in message ... I just love Brugmansias, but I can't buy one because I'd be too worried about my dog who has a habit of sleeping under trees. Is there a similar looking non-poisonous plant/ornamental tree that can survive in zone 8? Any information would be greatly appreciated. First, a Brug may survive zone 8, but unless you either bring it inside or under cover in winter, it will be severely cut back. They really work best when put in the basement and watered but little until Spring. Second, they aren't trees, and I can't imagine the dog sleeping under it, or suffering even if he did. Third, no, there isn't any other equivalent. What makes you worry about the dog? In the PNW, they are definitely considered container plants for any long term survival prospects and may reach 6-8 feet but certainly not tree-like proportions. I've grown any number of them (can't be bothered to overwinter them anymore) and I also live and garden with an assortment of dogs and other pets, none of which has ever shown the slightest interest in this plant. Pets are often much more intellegent about knoshing on toxic plants than we give them credit for - kids are another matter altogether. A possible alternative (not exactly the same flowering effect, however) is Clerodendrum trichotomum, Harlequin glorybower. Will eventually reach a small tree-like form (10-12') and produces fragrant white flowers with red calyces in late summer followed by interesting metallic blue drupes. Foliage smells like peanut butter when crushed or rubbed. Slow to establish and late to leaf out, but an interesting and attractive, hardy, small, tree-like shrub. pam - gardengal |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
"Jeanne Baggins" wrote in message om... I just love Brugmansias, but I can't buy one because I'd be too worried about my dog who has a habit of sleeping under trees. Is there a similar looking non-poisonous plant/ornamental tree that can survive in zone 8? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jeanne, Seattle, WA |
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Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
Animals seem to have the ability to avoid poisonous plants. I can think of
none that has anything other than an exceptionally unpleasant taste. As a student we had to taste minute samples of many. Ricinin excepted A few years ago a local child died eating two or three of these Castor Oil seeds --but these don't grow in our climate. Laburnum I would keep away from children. Cattle poison easily with Yew clippings and accordingly we planted these in graveyards. Every village had to grow them by order. Horses are vulnerable to Ragwort and we can be prosecuted for permitting its growth. I would not worry about your dog. Chocolate is the worst potential poison. Best Wishes. "Jeanne Baggins" wrote in message om... I just love Brugmansias, but I can't buy one because I'd be too worried about my dog who has a habit of sleeping under trees. Is there a similar looking non-poisonous plant/ornamental tree that can survive in zone 8? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jeanne, Seattle, WA |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
"Charles" wrote in message ... On 26 Mar 2004 13:47:57 GMT, (Bill Spohn) wrote: I just love Brugmansias, but I can't buy one because I'd be too worried about my dog who has a habit of sleeping under trees. Is there a similar looking non-poisonous plant/ornamental tree that can survive in zone 8? Any information would be greatly appreciated. First, a Brug may survive zone 8, but unless you either bring it inside or under cover in winter, it will be severely cut back. They really work best when put in the basement and watered but little until Spring. Second, they aren't trees, and I can't imagine the dog sleeping under it, or suffering even if he did. I am curious why you say they are not trees. There may be some definition of a tree that I am not aware of, but my brug is big enough, it's lifting the roof of my car port and grows higher that the roof. Brian answered this point very adequately. In zone 8 Seattle, these are not winter hardy and will never grow to a height of more than about 6-8 feet in a season. They never develop a woody structure ( a requirement of anything accurately called a "tree") and will die back to the ground (or worse) if not given winter protection. In more tropical, frost-free climates, they behave differently and grow to much larger proportions and may assume a small, tree-like stature. pam - gardengal Third, no, there isn't any other equivalent. What makes you worry about the dog? -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:12:41 GMT, Charles opined:
I am curious why you say they are not trees. There may be some definition of a tree that I am not aware of, but my brug is big enough, it's lifting the roof of my car port and grows higher that the roof. In their native habitat, most are indeed small trees. |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
"......... In their native habitat, most are indeed small trees........."
I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not small trees. Large shrubs can be up to 30ft or more, look at mature Rhododendrons, they are large shrubs, and I have seen these to over 50 ft. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
Tree or shrub just depends on the way they are grown. RHS definitions only
require a tree to have a clear trunk or bole before branching~~otherwise its a shrub. So we could confuse both ourselves and the plant!! Best Wishes "David Hill" wrote in message ... "......... In their native habitat, most are indeed small trees........." I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not small trees. Large shrubs can be up to 30ft or more, look at mature Rhododendrons, they are large shrubs, and I have seen these to over 50 ft. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
"Brian" wrote in message ...
Animals seem to have the ability to avoid poisonous plants. I can think of none that has anything other than an exceptionally unpleasant taste. As a student we had to taste minute samples of many. Ricinin excepted A few years ago a local child died eating two or three of these Castor Oil seeds --but these don't grow in our climate. Laburnum I would keep away from children. Cattle poison easily with Yew clippings and accordingly we planted these in graveyards. Every village had to grow them by order. Horses are vulnerable to Ragwort and we can be prosecuted for permitting its growth. I would not worry about your dog. Chocolate is the worst potential poison. You have just stated a very common myth. The Weeds Act doesn't make the growing of ragwort illegal it provides for a mechanism for ordering control *where it is a problem* and only on *agricultural land*. There have been some pretty outragious claims made for the plant's toxicity. The toxic dose for horses is quite high more perhaps than 20% of the body weight in some cases. For more information i'd suggest http://www.ragwortfacts.com/ Neil Jones http://www.butterflyguy.com/ |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
"Brian" wrote in message ...
Animals seem to have the ability to avoid poisonous plants. I can think of none that has anything other than an exceptionally unpleasant taste. As a student we had to taste minute samples of many. Ricinin excepted A few years ago a local child died eating two or three of these Castor Oil seeds --but these don't grow in our climate. Laburnum I would keep away from children. Cattle poison easily with Yew clippings and accordingly we planted these in graveyards. Every village had to grow them by order. Horses are vulnerable to Ragwort and we can be prosecuted for permitting its growth. I would not worry about your dog. Chocolate is the worst potential poison. You have just stated a very common myth. The Weeds Act doesn't make the growing of ragwort illegal it provides for a mechanism for ordering control *where it is a problem* and only on *agricultural land*. There have been some pretty outragious claims made for the plant's toxicity. The toxic dose for horses is quite high more perhaps than 20% of the body weight in some cases. For more information i'd suggest http://www.ragwortfacts.com/ Neil Jones http://www.butterflyguy.com/ |
Brugmansia (Non-poisonous) Substitute?
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:48:04 -0000, "David Hill"
opined: "......... In their native habitat, most are indeed small trees........." I think you'll find they are Large shrubs not small trees. Large shrubs can be up to 30ft or more, look at mature Rhododendrons, they are large shrubs, and I have seen these to over 50 ft. I'm sorry, David, Brugmansia spp. are small trees in their native habitat. I have been collecting them for more than a decade. By small tree, I mean anything less than 25-30 feet tall. That, is considered by the industry, a small tree. Brugmansia is not a shrub. |
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