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Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
The Magnificent ******* ...antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses...always a need for their products.... ... programmers to come up with ever more...viruses. Eventually antivirus apps...every-minute *necessity*... A corollary of this is that, since it makes no sense to abandon protection against stale viruses, we have *growing* antivirus ( and any other anti-malware ) programmes which will one day become longer even than the OS itself. And, what a drain on computer resources this would ensue. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
I once had somebody sending me a couple of bugs a week which were newer than
my definitions knew what to do with. I don't think it was dangerous--I wasn't about to open them, but it was interesting. "righter" wrote in message ... "freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message ... I once had somebody sending me a couple of bugs a week which were newer than my definitions knew what to do with. I don't think it was dangerous--I wasn't about to open them, but it was interesting. I had a virus that my program couldn't get rid of, but I was referred to a website that had this lengthy step by step process to get rid of it. That wasted a whole day. ****ed me off. "righter" wrote in message ... "freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:31:56 -0400, righter wrote:
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message ... I once had somebody sending me a couple of bugs a week which were newer than my definitions knew what to do with. I don't think it was dangerous--I wasn't about to open them, but it was interesting. I had a virus that my program couldn't get rid of, but I was referred to a website that had this lengthy step by step process to get rid of it. That wasted a whole day. ****ed me off. Switch to Linux. Try Suse. Easy install. Why put up with Microsuck? |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Bee wrote:
The Magnificent ******* wrote: ...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ...their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. I have finally found it. The news reference in my last response is in Yahoo Front-Page News: 2004-03-19 "Vicious Worm Infects Without Attachment ...They can infect computers without tricking them into opening a file attachment -- opening an e-mail is all it takes......Like earlier versions of Bagle, the new variations disable many firewall and antivirus applications, a technique that has become common among virus writers.." Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Bee wrote:
Bee wrote: The Magnificent ******* wrote: ...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ...their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. Yahoo Front-Page News: ..opening an e-mail is all it takes... I need to emphasize that infected e-mails can do no harm, until they are opened: the activation of these malware requires opening of the infected e-mails. My apology for the wrong information posted two days earlier, if it has caused panic. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:58:39 -0400, in alt.tv.sopranos, David H. Lipman
rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - This is an Off Topic subject for the majority of News Groups posted to. In reply however.... And police don't earn a salary ? Do we not pay the FBI and CIA employees ? Does not a lawyer charge for services ? Does not a locksmith get paid for their services ? So AV companies have a *RIGHT* to charge for their services as well. Most are nominal fees. In actuality, this kind of bullsh!t argument has no relevance in *any* of the posted News Groups. Take this argument to; alt.comp.virus and/or alt.comp.anti-virus Those locations are more apropos for this kind of broad discussion as it does not really have a Microsoft basis since the argument would be the same for *any* OS including Microsoft. What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a virus? Dave "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer | from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, | worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good | chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say | that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or | most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always | a need for their products. | | Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or | you'll get hurt or something like that. | | Is this just a coincidence? | | -- | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Sat, 1 May 2004 19:25:31 +0100, "Bee"
wrote: I need to emphasize that infected e-mails can do no harm, until they are opened: the activation of these malware requires opening of the infected e-mails. My apology for the wrong information posted two days earlier, if it has caused panic. If you use MS and you haven't been here since October, you need to go. http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ |
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Hal wrote:
Bee wrote: ...wrong information posted two days earlier... If you use MS and you haven't been here since October, you need to go. http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ "Are you talking to me?", Robert de Nero, posting with flared out arms and piercing eyes, challenged menacingly. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Sat, 1 May 2004 19:25:31 +0100, "Bee"
Bee wrote: Bee wrote: The Magnificent ******* wrote: ...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ...their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. Yahoo Front-Page News: ..opening an e-mail is all it takes... I need to emphasize that infected e-mails can do no harm, until they are opened: the activation of these malware requires opening of the infected e-mails. My apology for the wrong information posted two days earlier, if it has caused panic. Well duh, that goes for any malware :-) The point is, bad email sware may "open" malware for you, automatically, either by design or by defect. Results are the same. -- Risk Management is the clue that asks: "Why do I keep open buckets of petrol next to all the ashtrays in the lounge, when I don't even have a car?" ----------------------- ------ ---- --- -- - - - - |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
.......and just what in the world does all of this have to do with
gardening??????????? "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. Is this just a coincidence? -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
cquirke wrote:
Bee wrote Bee wrote: Bee wrote: The Magnificent ******* wrote: .I don't open email from people I don't know so..They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ..their e-mails did *not* require being opened.. Yahoo Front-Page News: ..opening an e-mail is all it takes... ..the activation...requires opening of the infected e-mails.. ...that goes for any malware... I never disputed that. ...bad email sware may "open" malware for you... At one time I had the misfortune of a malfunction, out of the blue, of the mouse click: inconsistently, a single click was unresponsive, or was consigned the function of a double-click. Consequently, chaos reigned; highlighting an e-mail header with one click -- for example, for deletion -- opened the mail. This error was not revealed until the maneuvre was actually exercised. Thank goodness, no beast was let loose on that occasion. A repair of the shell corrected the malfunction. So, I'm also in harmony with your notion that a wayward OS/mail reader can cause the same damage by activating the malware accidentally. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:30:23 -0500, The Magnificent *******
Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out This is hardly a new idea. The only thing that gives it a ring of truth to my ears is how viruses are often difficult, yet not so difficult that av can't clear them. Hmm. Viruses pre-date the av industry, and Windows, for that matter. In fact, a name steeped in brand value went on record denying viruses existed, back in the early days when an "antivirus utility" was often no more than a tool to view the HD's boot sector so you could verify the expected text message strings were present. Today, most malware are not really "viruses", in that they don't infect the inside of existing files or disk boot code as the original DOS-era viruses did. There's a trend towards boring but effective spreaders carrying code that can generate revenue, one way or another, and a blurring between rapacious and scummy commercial enterprises and the traditional "brilliant sociopathic virus writer" type authors. In fact, commercial malware is becoming such a problem that many troubleshooting sessions now zoom in on this first, sometimes forgetting that traditional malware still exist! But as long as users are dumb enough to prattle about "not opening email from ppl you don't know" (hint: Where do you think malware usually finds email addresses to send to?) and software is dumb enough to initiate "opening" code without the user's consent, the circus will continue. Both need hardening if we are to get anywhere. --------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - Tech Support: The guys who follow the 'Parade of New Products' with a shovel. --------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Bee wrote:
cquirke wrote: Bee wrote Bee wrote: Bee wrote: The Magnificent ******* wrote: .I don't open email from people I don't know so..They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ..their e-mails did *not* require being opened.. Yahoo Front-Page News: ..opening an e-mail is all it takes... ..the activation...requires opening of the infected e-mails.. ..bad email sware may "open" malware for you... ..I'm also in harmony with your notion.. Right on cue, CNN news reported today, 2004-05-05, the so-called "net worms" which invaded the computer system through open ports, by-passing the e-mail route altogether. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/int...orm/index.html "Sasser scans random Internet protocol addresses until it finds a vulnerable system. Then it copies itself into the Windows directory as an executable file, and is launched the next time the computer is booted." and "While a computer virus [worm] requires some sort of human intervention to be launched, such as opening an e-mail, a [net] worm takes off on its own. Sasser spreads through a Windows vulnerability known as LSASS, or Local Security Authority Subsystem Service. (Hence the name Sasser.)" Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
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Hi,
He was obviously replying to your saying it is some sort of conspiracy, if you read the second sentence of his post. Although you are free to your opinions, there is no backing to what you are saying. We have responded to our best of abilities to the points you have raised, and have not received any rebuttles based on fact - rather, they are just based on possibility. Although there is no way to tell when someone is a troll, this behavior seems somewhat troll-like, in that it seems mostly for the sake of provoking. These newsgroups are mostly for Microsoft support. We cannot spend time convincing you there is no massive conspiracy in the antivirus industry. Unless you have any conclusive points, there is no further need to respond and it is likely most will regard your posts as trolling. Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:43:34 -0400, in alt.tv.sopranos, Bill Sanderson rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - No it isn't. A good conspiracy depends on a small number of folks in the know. You are talking about a large number of folks, over a long period of time. This is complete nonsense--and if you don't know that, and it appears that you don't, you might wish to consider getting professional help. Since you top-posted, I'm not sure which comments of mine that you're referring to. Your post, for all intents and purposes, is complete non- sense. I implore you to stop top-posting if you want people to take you seriously. Good day to you, sir. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:15 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Hi, First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. I don't open email from people I don't know so the joke is on them. They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. We still don't know who really shot JFK, so it's entirely possible that a secret like this could be kept for a long time. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
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