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Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer
from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. Is this just a coincidence? -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Since there are many free anti-virus products, it just seems
to be a coincidence. -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer | from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, | worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good | chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say | that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or | most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always | a need for their products. | | Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or | you'll get hurt or something like that. | | Is this just a coincidence? | | -- | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Hi,
First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
This is an Off Topic subject for the majority of News Groups posted to.
In reply however.... And police don't earn a salary ? Do we not pay the FBI and CIA employees ? Does not a lawyer charge for services ? Does not a locksmith get paid for their services ? So AV companies have a *RIGHT* to charge for their services as well. Most are nominal fees. In actuality, this kind of bullsh!t argument has no relevance in *any* of the posted News Groups. Take this argument to; alt.comp.virus and/or alt.comp.anti-virus Those locations are more apropos for this kind of broad discussion as it does not really have a Microsoft basis since the argument would be the same for *any* OS including Microsoft. Dave "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer | from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, | worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good | chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say | that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or | most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always | a need for their products. | | Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or | you'll get hurt or something like that. | | Is this just a coincidence? | | -- | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:15 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the
lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Hi, First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. I don't open email from people I don't know so the joke is on them. They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. We still don't know who really shot JFK, so it's entirely possible that a secret like this could be kept for a long time. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Virus writing is not an OS-dependent thing. Most types of viruses could be
written for another OS. There are fewer of them primarily because they are less successful. There have been MacOS mass-mailing worms (i.e. MacOS/Simpsons) and file infectors (too many examples to name, but I'll give one randomly: MacOS/Sevendust). Mac worms have even been found in the wild, case in point MacOS/AutoStart. The same goes for Linux worms. Mass-mailers of today have less to do with Windows than Outlook Express. Additionally, the JFK argument is flawed: whoever shot JFK did not have thousands and thousands of employees. For all we know, gremlins occupy the center of the Earth. Just because something is a remote paranoid possibility does not mean it is worth being concerned over. There are so many things more imminent than that, such as actually protecting one's computer. Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a virus? |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
Since Windows is 90% of the systems, 99 % of the jerks write
viruses for Windows. -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:58:39 -0400, in alt.tv.sopranos, David H. Lipman | rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does | this whenever it's told - | | | This is an Off Topic subject for the majority of News Groups posted to. | | In reply however.... | | And police don't earn a salary ? | Do we not pay the FBI and CIA employees ? | Does not a lawyer charge for services ? | Does not a locksmith get paid for their services ? | | So AV companies have a *RIGHT* to charge for their services as well. Most are nominal fees. | | In actuality, this kind of bullsh!t argument has no relevance in *any* of the posted News | Groups. | Take this argument to; alt.comp.virus and/or alt.comp.anti-virus | Those locations are more apropos for this kind of broad discussion as it does not really | have a Microsoft basis since the argument would be the same for *any* OS including | Microsoft. | | What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a | virus? | | | Dave | | | | | | "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message | ... | | Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer | | from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, | | worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good | | chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say | | that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or | | most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always | | a need for their products. | | | | Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or | | you'll get hurt or something like that. | | | | Is this just a coincidence? | | | | -- | | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com | | | | | | -- | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:15:51 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the
lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Virus writing is not an OS-dependent thing. Most types of viruses could be written for another OS. There are fewer of them primarily because they are less successful. There have been MacOS mass-mailing worms (i.e. MacOS/Simpsons) and file infectors (too many examples to name, but I'll give one randomly: MacOS/Sevendust). Mac worms have even been found in the wild, case in point MacOS/AutoStart. The same goes for Linux worms. Mass-mailers of today have less to do with Windows than Outlook Express. 99%+ of all viruses affect computers that run Windows. True or false? Additionally, the JFK argument is flawed: whoever shot JFK did not have thousands and thousands of employees. Unless the government had JFK killed. The govt. employees many thousands of people. But, since we don't know who shot JFK, we really don't know how many people they employed. For all we know, gremlins occupy the center of the Earth. Just because something is a remote paranoid possibility does not mean it is worth being concerned over. There are so many things more imminent than that, such as actually protecting one's computer. Actually, we do know that gremlins do NOT occupy the center of the Earth. Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a virus? -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
"The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. Is this just a coincidence? I just got a whole bunch of Microsoft Patch emails and I quickly downloaded all eight of them. My computer is running a little slower, but I bet I prevented a big can of worms. Always download those emails. You never know what could happen if you don't. Always trust stuff from Righter. -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
"The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:15 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Hi, First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. I don't open email from people I don't know so the joke is on them. They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. I laugh wholeheartedly every time I get one of those stranger emails. They must think I'm pretty dumb to fall for a trick like that. I bet they're waiting around the clock for me to bite the hook, but it's never gonna happen. I'm just too intelligent, AND I thoroughly enjoy putting a wrench in their works. I mean, I'm of above average intelligence. Don't they know that? "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. We still don't know who really shot JFK, so it's entirely possible that a secret like this could be kept for a long time. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
This is bad advice people !
Microsoft NEVER sends unsolicvited patches via email. There are several Internet worms that masquerade as patches from Microsoft. The most common are; Swen, Dumaru, Gibe and Torvil. Dave |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
"David H. Lipman" wrote in message ... This is an Off Topic subject for the majority of News Groups posted to. In reply however.... And police don't earn a salary ? Do we not pay the FBI and CIA employees ? Does not a lawyer charge for services ? Does not a locksmith get paid for their services ? So AV companies have a *RIGHT* to charge for their services as well. Most are nominal fees. In actuality, this kind of bullsh!t argument has no relevance in *any* of the posted News Groups. Take this argument to; alt.comp.virus and/or alt.comp.anti-virus Those locations are more apropos for this kind of broad discussion as it does not really have a Microsoft basis since the argument would be the same for *any* OS including Microsoft. You are completely waisting your time if you think you can alter the habits of the Mag *******. He's been crossposting to the wrong newsgroups since newsgroups were still sent via snail mail. Take my advice; you will be busier than a one-legged ass-kicker trying to futiley change this guy. He's incurable. Dave "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer | from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, | worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good | chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say | that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or | most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always | a need for their products. | | Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or | you'll get hurt or something like that. | | Is this just a coincidence? | | -- | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
"Trafton" wrote in message ... Virus writing is not an OS-dependent thing. Most types of viruses could be written for another OS. There are fewer of them primarily because they are less successful. There have been MacOS mass-mailing worms (i.e. MacOS/Simpsons) and file infectors (too many examples to name, but I'll give one randomly: MacOS/Sevendust). Mac worms have even been found in the wild, case in point MacOS/AutoStart. The same goes for Linux worms. Mass-mailers of today have less to do with Windows than Outlook Express. Additionally, the JFK argument is flawed: whoever shot JFK did not have thousands and thousands of employees. For all we know, gremlins occupy the center of the Earth. Just because something is a remote paranoid possibility does not mean it is worth being concerned over. There are so many things more imminent than that, such as actually protecting one's computer. Can I ask you an unrelated question? I couldn't figure out how too disable my "tap-to-click" function on the mousepad of my (it clicks on everything, and jumps all over the place), so I contacted Compaq/HP, and the tech guy told me that it couldn't be done due to a virus that was preventing it. He told me the only thing I could do was a system restore, meaning I'd have to back everything up, and wipe out the current memory. I've done that and since I couldn't back everything up due to glitches and my inexperience, I lost much important data doing it, and I found out that it didn't even solve the problem--the assholes just didn't want to work on the thing unless it was absolutely necessary. So, are they lying to me about this virus? I've got Symantec on my system, so I don't think any virus of this kind could've infected my system. Thanks for your expertise. Righter Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a virus? |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
"The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:15:51 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Virus writing is not an OS-dependent thing. Most types of viruses could be written for another OS. There are fewer of them primarily because they are less successful. There have been MacOS mass-mailing worms (i.e. MacOS/Simpsons) and file infectors (too many examples to name, but I'll give one randomly: MacOS/Sevendust). Mac worms have even been found in the wild, case in point MacOS/AutoStart. The same goes for Linux worms. Mass-mailers of today have less to do with Windows than Outlook Express. 99%+ of all viruses affect computers that run Windows. True or false? Additionally, the JFK argument is flawed: whoever shot JFK did not have thousands and thousands of employees. Unless the government had JFK killed. The govt. employees many thousands of people. But, since we don't know who shot JFK, we really don't know how many people they employed. For all we know, gremlins occupy the center of the Earth. Just because something is a remote paranoid possibility does not mean it is worth being concerned over. There are so many things more imminent than that, such as actually protecting one's computer. Actually, we do know that gremlins do NOT occupy the center of the Earth. That's a reckless, unfounded statement and I demand a retraction. Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a virus? -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
No it isn't.
A good conspiracy depends on a small number of folks in the know. You are talking about a large number of folks, over a long period of time. This is complete nonsense--and if you don't know that, and it appears that you don't, you might wish to consider getting professional help. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:15 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Hi, First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. I don't open email from people I don't know so the joke is on them. They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. We still don't know who really shot JFK, so it's entirely possible that a secret like this could be kept for a long time. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:43:34 -0400, in alt.tv.sopranos, Bill Sanderson
rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - No it isn't. A good conspiracy depends on a small number of folks in the know. You are talking about a large number of folks, over a long period of time. This is complete nonsense--and if you don't know that, and it appears that you don't, you might wish to consider getting professional help. Since you top-posted, I'm not sure which comments of mine that you're referring to. Your post, for all intents and purposes, is complete non- sense. I implore you to stop top-posting if you want people to take you seriously. Good day to you, sir. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:15 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Hi, First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. I don't open email from people I don't know so the joke is on them. They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. We still don't know who really shot JFK, so it's entirely possible that a secret like this could be kept for a long time. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
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Now I *KNOW* you are a Troll !
Mr. Lipman "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | | Since you top-posted, I'm not sure which comments of mine that you're | referring to. Your post, for all intents and purposes, is complete non- | sense. I implore you to stop top-posting if you want people to take you | seriously. | | Good day to you, sir. |
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Quoting yourself? Do you sew your own clothes too?
-- Phil Weldon "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... .. .. .. .. |
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The Magnificent ******* wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:15 -0700, in alt.tv.sopranos, Trafton rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - Hi, First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. I don't open email from people I don't know so the joke is on them. They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. Now you tell me! And I thought you are just really, really shy. "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. This is an odd argument. After all, couldn't you say the same about most every services industry? Doctors don't make people sick to get their business. There is no "massive" conspiracy. The antivirus industry is so large that it would be doubtful a secret such as that would be able to stay in for so long. We still don't know who really shot JFK, so it's entirely possible that a secret like this could be kept for a long time. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. You can avoid getting hurt by using common sense, even if you don't have an antivirus program. Viruses require user intervention to spread - some require the lack thereof. It's not antivirus programs that stop viruses from spreading - they're only a safety net. Is this just a coincidence? No; a coincidence would entail some sort of similarity of unusual nature. There is nothing unusual here. And, if you still feel this way, try a free antivirus program like this one: http://www.grisoft.com/ Here is it from a virus writer's perspective, reflecting on the absurdities that were speculated upon because of a somewhat confusingly worded (but standard) phrase in a Symantec write-up: http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc...d_straight.xml Sincerely, Benjamin "Trafton" Johnstone-Anderson Microsoft MVP - Windows Security Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply! Security Manifest: www.msmvps.com/trafton/ |
Are Antivirus software companies like the Mafia?
First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in message ... This is bad advice people ! Microsoft NEVER sends unsolicvited patches via email. There are several Internet worms that masquerade as patches from Microsoft. The most common are; Swen, Dumaru, Gibe and Torvil. Dave You gotta lotta balls shitting all over my post. What makes your post any better than mine? I downloaded all the patches like I'm supposed to and nothing really happened, so the jokes on you! Ha! Ha! I always download those patches. If you don't, you could be susceptible to the latest viruses. You're post was reckless and defamatory and I demand an APOLOGY, AND UNTIL I GET ONE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANOTHER WORD! |
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"freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:29:50 -0400, righter wrote:
Some of you douches need to learn how to TRIM YOUR POSTS. |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:32:33 -0400, righter wrote:
"freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? Both of you are full of shit. |
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"Harry Quiff" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:32:33 -0400, righter wrote: "freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? Both of you are full of shit. No, I really did! After a couple of incredibly insulting comments, these people would send the virus, and window upon window upon window would pop up on the screen, clogging up the system, forcing me to restart. One of them left this sound effect that would periodically chirp like crickets and it annoyed the **** outta me. I'm livin' on the edge, ain't I? |
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"Harry Quiff" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:29:50 -0400, righter wrote: Some of you douches need to learn how to TRIM YOUR POSTS. And you need to brush up on your charm skills. |
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Magnificent ******* wrote:
...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. Beware! It was two months ago that I read from the news that the recent breed of malware, among other things, disabled firewall and antivirus software. And, their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. The point you made is a valid one. I sympathize with your suspicion, your concern, and your alarm bell ringing. Until the day the scoundrel is caught with his hand in the till, we will never know. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] |
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The Magnificent ******* wrote in message ...
Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always a need for their products. Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or you'll get hurt or something like that. Is this just a coincidence? It's an evolutionary thing: The antivirus software filters out all but the more pernicious, tricksy code, *and* inspires the bored programmers to come up with ever more inventive and furtive viruses. Eventually antivirus apps won't be just "useful" but an every-minute *necessity* for being on the Net- and that's when the price of antivirus software will jack itself into orbit. ***** The Joker in the Eeeeeeevil Cabal Deck of Cards. "My dog has rights!!" Jonathan Archer "The Romulan Star Empire? What's that?" Ibid "Have you ever known me to do anything foolish?" Ibid |
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Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
The Magnificent ******* ...antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or most) of the new viruses...always a need for their products.... ... programmers to come up with ever more...viruses. Eventually antivirus apps...every-minute *necessity*... A corollary of this is that, since it makes no sense to abandon protection against stale viruses, we have *growing* antivirus ( and any other anti-malware ) programmes which will one day become longer even than the OS itself. And, what a drain on computer resources this would ensue. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] |
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I once had somebody sending me a couple of bugs a week which were newer than
my definitions knew what to do with. I don't think it was dangerous--I wasn't about to open them, but it was interesting. "righter" wrote in message ... "freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? |
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"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message ... I once had somebody sending me a couple of bugs a week which were newer than my definitions knew what to do with. I don't think it was dangerous--I wasn't about to open them, but it was interesting. I had a virus that my program couldn't get rid of, but I was referred to a website that had this lengthy step by step process to get rid of it. That wasted a whole day. ****ed me off. "righter" wrote in message ... "freeda" wrote in message ... First of all, it's a bad idea to post with your real email address to forums like these, as users are already infected with viruses and are looking for help. They will harvest your email. You are all a bunch of pussies!!! I have a permanent internet connection and use no firewall or AV software. Any virus are welcome to have a go if they think their hard enough. Whatever happened to living dangerously. I used to go on the chat rooms and deliberately flame people to get them to send me a virus. Does that count as living dangerously? |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:31:56 -0400, righter wrote:
"Bill Sanderson" wrote in message ... I once had somebody sending me a couple of bugs a week which were newer than my definitions knew what to do with. I don't think it was dangerous--I wasn't about to open them, but it was interesting. I had a virus that my program couldn't get rid of, but I was referred to a website that had this lengthy step by step process to get rid of it. That wasted a whole day. ****ed me off. Switch to Linux. Try Suse. Easy install. Why put up with Microsuck? |
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Bee wrote:
The Magnificent ******* wrote: ...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ...their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. I have finally found it. The news reference in my last response is in Yahoo Front-Page News: 2004-03-19 "Vicious Worm Infects Without Attachment ...They can infect computers without tricking them into opening a file attachment -- opening an e-mail is all it takes......Like earlier versions of Bagle, the new variations disable many firewall and antivirus applications, a technique that has become common among virus writers.." Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
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Bee wrote:
Bee wrote: The Magnificent ******* wrote: ...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ...their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. Yahoo Front-Page News: ..opening an e-mail is all it takes... I need to emphasize that infected e-mails can do no harm, until they are opened: the activation of these malware requires opening of the infected e-mails. My apology for the wrong information posted two days earlier, if it has caused panic. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:58:39 -0400, in alt.tv.sopranos, David H. Lipman
rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this whenever it's told - This is an Off Topic subject for the majority of News Groups posted to. In reply however.... And police don't earn a salary ? Do we not pay the FBI and CIA employees ? Does not a lawyer charge for services ? Does not a locksmith get paid for their services ? So AV companies have a *RIGHT* to charge for their services as well. Most are nominal fees. In actuality, this kind of bullsh!t argument has no relevance in *any* of the posted News Groups. Take this argument to; alt.comp.virus and/or alt.comp.anti-virus Those locations are more apropos for this kind of broad discussion as it does not really have a Microsoft basis since the argument would be the same for *any* OS including Microsoft. What other OS, besides Windows, is affected to any large extent by a virus? Dave "The Magnificent *******" wrote in message ... | Antivirus software companies charge you money to "protect" your computer | from viruses and other bad things that could happen to it (trojan horse, | worm, etc.). If you don't pay for protection, there is a very good | chance that something bad will happen to your computer. Some people say | that some antivirus software companies are even responsible for some (or | most) of the new viruses that come out.........that way there is always | a need for their products. | | Sounds kind of like the mafia. Either you pay them for protection or | you'll get hurt or something like that. | | Is this just a coincidence? | | -- | Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © | | http://www.magnificent*******productions.com -- Magnificent ******* Productions 2004 © http://www.magnificent*******productions.com |
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 19:25:31 +0100, "Bee"
wrote: I need to emphasize that infected e-mails can do no harm, until they are opened: the activation of these malware requires opening of the infected e-mails. My apology for the wrong information posted two days earlier, if it has caused panic. If you use MS and you haven't been here since October, you need to go. http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ |
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Hal wrote:
Bee wrote: ...wrong information posted two days earlier... If you use MS and you haven't been here since October, you need to go. http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ "Are you talking to me?", Robert de Nero, posting with flared out arms and piercing eyes, challenged menacingly. Bee. -- [I have found my Shangri-La in ntlworld.] -- |
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 19:25:31 +0100, "Bee"
Bee wrote: Bee wrote: The Magnificent ******* wrote: ...I don't open email from people I don't know so...They will be wasting their time if they send me an email. ...their e-mails did *not* require being opened to discharge their payload. Yahoo Front-Page News: ..opening an e-mail is all it takes... I need to emphasize that infected e-mails can do no harm, until they are opened: the activation of these malware requires opening of the infected e-mails. My apology for the wrong information posted two days earlier, if it has caused panic. Well duh, that goes for any malware :-) The point is, bad email sware may "open" malware for you, automatically, either by design or by defect. Results are the same. -- Risk Management is the clue that asks: "Why do I keep open buckets of petrol next to all the ashtrays in the lounge, when I don't even have a car?" ----------------------- ------ ---- --- -- - - - - |
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