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BroJack 09-06-2004 02:40 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
Pneumatic drill?

Jack

Mike LaMana 09-06-2004 02:40 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
Sure, but why?

--
Mike LaMana, MS
Heartwood Consulting Services, LLC
Toms River, NJ
www.HeartwoodConsulting.net



"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack




John McGaw 09-06-2004 02:40 PM

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"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack


Caterpillar D11R.
--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com



Brad 09-06-2004 02:40 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
In article m,
said...
Pneumatic drill?


Trackhoe

BroJack 09-06-2004 02:40 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:16:19 -0400, "Mike LaMana"
fake@MikeatHeartwoodConsultingdotnet wrote:

Sure, but why?


Mowing around stumpers adds an extra hour to the mowing chore.


Jack
______________
--
Mike LaMana, MS
Heartwood Consulting Services, LLC
Toms River, NJ
www.HeartwoodConsulting.net



"BroJack" wrote in message
ws.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack





DanG 09-06-2004 02:43 PM

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Leave them tall enough to install a nice top and use as a picnic
table.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing. . . .
DanG


"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack




Brad 09-06-2004 02:43 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
In article ,
said...
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:16:19 -0400, "Mike LaMana"
fake@MikeatHeartwoodConsultingdotnet wrote:

Sure, but why?


Mowing around stumpers adds an extra hour to the mowing chore.


What do you mow with? Fingernail clippers?

Mike LaMana 09-06-2004 02:44 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
Why not blast them out?
--
Mike LaMana, MS
Heartwood Consulting Services, LLC
Toms River, NJ
www.HeartwoodConsulting.net



"BroJack" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:16:19 -0400, "Mike LaMana"
fake@MikeatHeartwoodConsultingdotnet wrote:

Sure, but why?


Mowing around stumpers adds an extra hour to the mowing chore.


Jack
______________
--
Mike LaMana, MS
Heartwood Consulting Services, LLC
Toms River, NJ
www.HeartwoodConsulting.net



"BroJack" wrote in message
ws.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack







BroJack 09-06-2004 02:45 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:55:28 -0400, Brad wrote:

In article ,
said...
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:16:19 -0400, "Mike LaMana"
fake@MikeatHeartwoodConsultingdotnet wrote:

Sure, but why?


Mowing around stumpers adds an extra hour to the mowing chore.


What do you mow with? Fingernail clippers?


Cub Cadet.

Jack

John Hines 09-06-2004 02:46 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
(BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?


Wouldn't do any different than an electric drill. Except maybe work
under water.

How about the classic Skill saw, with a cheap carbide tipped blade? That
will cut thru most anything, with the right blade. A low tooth count, if
you have a choice.

Otherwise, as Jimmie Walker used to say (not in this context)
Dyno-Mite!!

John‰]                                             09-06-2004 02:47 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
In article , John Hines
wrote:

(BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?


Wouldn't do any different than an electric drill. Except maybe work
under water.

How about the classic Skill saw, with a cheap carbide tipped blade? That
will cut thru most anything, with the right blade. A low tooth count, if
you have a choice.

Otherwise, as Jimmie Walker used to say (not in this context)
Dyno-Mite!!


A neighbor drilled a dozen or so holes in the sides of an empty coffee
can, ran it through the can opener again to remove the bottom and set
the empty cylinder on the stump. He filled it with charcoal
briquettes, added some charcoal lighter, and fired it up.

The incredibly hot fire burned right down through the middle of the
stump; hardly any flame but a lot of wonderful smelling smoke. He
hosed down the area around the stump a couple of times a day to insure
that the fire didn't spread. By the time it burned itself out there
was little left but the outer bark. Once it cooled it only took a few
licks with an axe to knock what was left into the hole in the center.
A couple of shovelfulls of dirt on top and the stump magically
disappeared.

John

Kipper 09-06-2004 02:48 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
How about a planter?


"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack




Bubba 09-06-2004 02:50 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 

"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack


Contact paper?



xrongor 09-06-2004 02:50 PM

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i cut mine low and built planters over them.

randy

"Kipper" wrote in message
...
How about a planter?


"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?

Jack






Charles 09-06-2004 02:51 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:03:44 GMT, (BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?

Jack



Move. I got rid of moles that way.


--

- Charles
-
-does not play well with others

Tim 09-06-2004 04:05 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
Charles wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:03:44 GMT, (BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?

Jack



Move. I got rid of moles that way.


I just move enough dirt around them so I can get enough room to cut
them off flush with the ground with a chainsaw and then ignore them.
We mow right over them.

[email protected] 09-06-2004 08:06 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 

I've read in many places across the internet that powdered milk will
greatly accelerate the rotting.

I drilled 1/4" holes all over mine and then wet it down. Then sprinkled it
liberally with powdered milk.

I don't know if it really did anything, but it did rot pretty quick.


I strongly suspect that drilling 1/4" holes all over it and putting *anything*,

or even nothing, in them would greatly accellerate rotting.



BroJack 09-06-2004 09:02 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On 9 Jun 2004 07:26:17 -0700, (Tim) wrote:

Charles wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:03:44 GMT,
(BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?

Jack



Move. I got rid of moles that way.


I just move enough dirt around them so I can get enough room to cut
them off flush with the ground with a chainsaw and then ignore them.
We mow right over them.


You better watch it.

You'll have the animal rights people after you.

BroJack

Eric Scantlebury 09-06-2004 10:05 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 

"BroJack" wrote in message
s.com...
Pneumatic drill?


I would imagine that renting one of those plus the generator and compressor
it would need would be way more than the $100 or so to rent the proper
tool - a stump grinder. Just my .02



Jim85CJ 10-06-2004 10:04 PM

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"and putting *anything*"
Yeah, but I can think of no better use for powdered milk... YUCK

wrote:

I've read in many places across the internet that powdered milk will
greatly accelerate the rotting.

I drilled 1/4" holes all over mine and then wet it down. Then sprinkled it
liberally with powdered milk.

I don't know if it really did anything, but it did rot pretty quick.



I strongly suspect that drilling 1/4" holes all over it and putting *anything*,

or even nothing, in them would greatly accellerate rotting.




L W 14-06-2004 04:03 AM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
hollow it out fill with dirt & plant something in it.
ZZ


L W 14-06-2004 05:03 AM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
hollow it out fill with dirt & plant something in it.
ZZ


gary davis 22-06-2004 08:04 AM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On 6/8/04 6:57 PM, in article
, "Harry K"
wrote:

Brad wrote in message
news:MPG.1b300b78f8880e1398bd7f@news...
In article m,
said...
Pneumatic drill?


Trackhoe


My old man's method. Enough dynamite to render it into splinters. No
kidding. When he blew a stump there was nothing left to pick up.

Harry K

This has to be the original way to compost! Good on your dad...a leader in
compost technology! :)
Gary
Fort Langley BC
Canada


gary davis 22-06-2004 08:05 AM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On 6/8/04 7:05 PM, in article
, "John”]*
************************************************** *************"
wrote:

In article , John Hines
wrote:

(BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?


Wouldn't do any different than an electric drill. Except maybe work
under water.

How about the classic Skill saw, with a cheap carbide tipped blade? That
will cut thru most anything, with the right blade. A low tooth count, if
you have a choice.

Otherwise, as Jimmie Walker used to say (not in this context)
Dyno-Mite!!


A neighbor drilled a dozen or so holes in the sides of an empty coffee
can, ran it through the can opener again to remove the bottom and set
the empty cylinder on the stump. He filled it with charcoal
briquettes, added some charcoal lighter, and fired it up.

The incredibly hot fire burned right down through the middle of the
stump; hardly any flame but a lot of wonderful smelling smoke. He
hosed down the area around the stump a couple of times a day to insure
that the fire didn't spread. By the time it burned itself out there
was little left but the outer bark. Once it cooled it only took a few
licks with an axe to knock what was left into the hole in the center.
A couple of shovelfulls of dirt on top and the stump magically
disappeared.

John

What was the size of the stump?


gary davis 22-06-2004 08:06 AM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
On 6/10/04 12:36 PM, in article
t, "Jim85CJ"
wrote:

"and putting *anything*"
Yeah, but I can think of no better use for powdered milk... YUCK

wrote:

I've read in many places across the internet that powdered milk will
greatly accelerate the rotting.

I drilled 1/4" holes all over mine and then wet it down. Then sprinkled it
liberally with powdered milk.

I don't know if it really did anything, but it did rot pretty quick.



I strongly suspect that drilling 1/4" holes all over it and putting
*anything*,

or even nothing, in them would greatly accellerate rotting.



Powdered milk...responding to 'top poster' (scroll up for his/her post). As
a youth we used powdered milk and found that if it was left in the fridge
for...a period of time before drinking, we couldn't tell the difference...:)
except for the price. It was/is cheaper.
Gary
Fort Langley BC
Canada


Kurt 22-06-2004 05:02 PM

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In article ,
gary davis wrote:

Since we're on this topic, I cut down 4 old fruit trees that were sick.
All had roots near the surface from lack of proper watering over the
years. (I live in So. Cal) I drilled a few holes in the stumps, put in
stump poison, and let them sit a few weeks. I then rented a stump
grinder and ground them out.

The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.

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William Wagner 22-06-2004 05:03 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
In article ,
Kurt wrote:


The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.


Consider covering them with a dense mulch like news papers etc. Then be
ruthless with any that can make it thru..

Bill

--
Garden in Zone 5 S Jersey USA Shade
William(Bill)

Bro Jack 22-06-2004 06:02 PM

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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:02:45 -0700, Kurt
wrote:

In article ,
gary davis wrote:

Since we're on this topic, I cut down 4 old fruit trees that were sick.
All had roots near the surface from lack of proper watering over the
years. (I live in So. Cal) I drilled a few holes in the stumps, put in
stump poison, and let them sit a few weeks. I then rented a stump
grinder and ground them out.

The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.


I had the same problem with hybrid poplars, but if you keep pulling
and mowing, the roots won't receive nourishment from the leaves and
eventually die. It's a pain for a while but you have to be a little
persistent.

Jack

[email protected] 22-06-2004 07:03 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 

The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.


You don't even have to pull them, unless you're running around there
barefoot. Just mow right over them and they'll stop in a couple years.


Kurt 22-06-2004 09:04 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
In article ,
(Bro Jack) wrote:



I had the same problem with hybrid poplars, but if you keep pulling
and mowing, the roots won't receive nourishment from the leaves and
eventually die. It's a pain for a while but you have to be a little
persistent.

Jack


Thanks all, this is what I've been told from a couple folks.

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rj 23-06-2004 09:08 PM

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wrote in message ...

The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.


You don't even have to pull them, unless you're running around there
barefoot. Just mow right over them and they'll stop in a couple years.

If you don't want to keep mowing, apply Roundup with a paint brush to the
shoots.



Ian Stirling 24-06-2004 09:07 PM

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In alt.home.repair BroJack wrote:
On 9 Jun 2004 07:26:17 -0700, (Tim) wrote:

Charles wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:03:44 GMT,
(BroJack) wrote:

Pneumatic drill?

Jack


Move. I got rid of moles that way.


I just move enough dirt around them so I can get enough room to cut
them off flush with the ground with a chainsaw and then ignore them.
We mow right over them.


You better watch it.

You'll have the animal rights people after you.


No problem, the same treatment works just fine.

gary davis 04-07-2004 04:02 PM

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Xref: kermit balt.general:49523 rec.gardens:285121 alt.home.repair:495884

On 6/23/04 12:48 PM, in article S7lCc.96569$Sw.17518@attbi_s51, "rj"
wrote:


wrote in message ...

The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.


You don't even have to pull them, unless you're running around there
barefoot. Just mow right over them and they'll stop in a couple years.

If you don't want to keep mowing, apply Roundup with a paint brush to the
shoots.


Humm...no! Don't ever use Roundup. We are trying to kill a former tree not
the drinking waters.
Gary
Fort Langley BC
Canada


Michael Baugh 04-07-2004 04:02 PM

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I suggest going to the "unwanted trees" section of the info at
http://www.monsanto.com.au/images/Ro...s/roundlbl.pdf

I also suggest that you consider that the product is immediately degraded by
exposure to soil. Even mixing it with pond water can cause a completely
ineffective solution to be produced, because of the dirt likely to be in it.
So I suggest that 'ground water pollution' not be seen as such a likely
problem.
All of the sprouts need to have the product brushed onto their leaves, and
they'll take it back into their collective systems, and the trunk as well.
Also, I suggest checking to verify that the tree is a type designated as
being susceptible to the product.
In other words, following manufacturer's instructions.

Also, feel free to give alternate info, such as from hardcopy of

"Feng, J.C., and Thompson, D. G., 1990, Fate of glyphosate in a Canadian
forest watershed. 2. Persistence in foliage and soils: J. Agric. Food Chem.,
v. 38, no. 4, pp. 1118-1125."

if applicable.

gary davis wrote in message
...
If you don't want to keep mowing, apply Roundup with a paint brush to

the
shoots.


Humm...no! Don't ever use Roundup. We are trying to kill a former tree not
the drinking waters.
Gary
Fort Langley BC
Canada




Ralf G. Toennies 07-07-2004 08:02 PM

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If there still is a stump, drive copper nails in it. That may stop the new
shoots.
"gary davis" wrote in message
...
On 6/23/04 12:48 PM, in article S7lCc.96569$Sw.17518@attbi_s51, "rj"
wrote:


wrote in message ...

The problem now are shoots coming up everywhere from roots still under
the surface out within 6-12 feet of the old stumps. Will these
eventually diminish and die out? I pull them regularly.

You don't even have to pull them, unless you're running around there
barefoot. Just mow right over them and they'll stop in a couple years.

If you don't want to keep mowing, apply Roundup with a paint brush to

the
shoots.


Humm...no! Don't ever use Roundup. We are trying to kill a former tree not
the drinking waters.
Gary
Fort Langley BC
Canada




paghat 07-07-2004 09:02 PM

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In article , "Ralf G. Toennies"
wrote:

If there still is a stump, drive copper nails in it. That may stop the new
shoots.


I have often seen it repeated that unwanted trees can be killed by driving
copper nails into a tree, &amp stumps can be stopped from suckering. One
method is to completely ring the bottom of a tree with 10d copper nails at
one-inch intervals, then wait two years. I've never seen any actual study
that proved this would work; if it did seem to work, I suspect it would be
because of the damage done to the bark; removing the bark from around the
base of a tree would be vastly more certain way to kill the poor tree.

Copper at high enough levels certainly is toxic to plants, & can suppress,
for example, algae growth in a pond. At extremely low levels however it is
not harmful, & copper as a solid is so slow extremely slow to decay that
copper was traditionally used in roofing & boat manufacture as one of the
most stable metals. I do not know for certain, but I do not believe a
toxic level of copper can leached out of copper nails.

If it could, then so too would copper trellises & copper watering pots &
copper flower pots kill stuff, & water running off roofs with copper trim
would be toxified. I'm aware of no evidence that this is true. Here is a
typical line of garden products made of copper:
http://www.gardenartisans.com/arbor.html
If they were ground up into filings & mixed into the garden they would be
harmful, but nothing short of that I'd reckon.

To kill whatever life is left in a stump, drilling a few holes &amp
filling them with copper sulfate might indeed kill whatever life is left
in it. Copper sulfate is available from a plumber supply. I'd do some
more research before I tried it though. By right of killing funguses,
copper might SLOW DOWN the decay of a stump, which will otherwise be
broken down over time by funguses.

The copper nail thing might be credible, but I'd have to see some data to
believe it. It seems that just about everyone has HEARD it works, but
almost nobody knows where to get copper nails, so I suspect it's just one
of those perpetually repeated rumors that no one has actually tested. When
I made a quick-search for any study or proof, I could find nothing
definitive, though the International Society of Arboriculture says it is a
myth, that if there were any truth to it, fungicides which deliver vastly
greater amounts of copper to a plant or tree would kill it
http://www.wcisa.net/myths.asp.

Another non-study which nevertheless makes a lot of sense is on-line at
Garden World, a footnote to an article on building stuff with copper for
the garden:
"It is a commonly held misconception or 'old wives tale' that copper nails
kill trees. Copper in its metallic form is not toxic to trees. The only
damage that may have occurred is simply mechanical. Thus, if there are
enough nails around the circumference of a tree to completely girdle it,
then it will die, but otherwise there will be little damage other than a
potential point of entry to decay fungi."
http://www.gardenworld.co.uk/project-copper.asp

A real field study would be more valuable, of course, but I strongly
suspect the assessment of this notion as an "old wives tale" is the
correct assessment.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

[email protected] 07-07-2004 10:02 PM

Another Way To Handle Tree Stumps?
 
Copper at high enough levels certainly is toxic to plants, & can suppress,
for example, algae growth in a pond. At extremely low levels however it is
not harmful, & copper as a solid is so slow extremely slow to decay that
copper was traditionally used in roofing & boat manufacture as one of the
most stable metals. I do not know for certain, but I do not believe a
toxic level of copper can leached out of copper nails.


Seagoing boats are (well, were) copperbottomed because it's
sufficiently toxic to reduce the amount of crud that grows on them.
I don't know if that's true in fresh-water, or not.
In any case, maybe copper nails would help if you then ****ed
all over the stump in question? I'm still in favor of an axe and shovel.
--Goedjn









If it could, then so too would copper trellises & copper watering pots &
copper flower pots kill stuff, & water running off roofs with copper trim
would be toxified. I'm aware of no evidence that this is true. Here is a
typical line of garden products made of copper:
http://www.gardenartisans.com/arbor.html
If they were ground up into filings & mixed into the garden they would be
harmful, but nothing short of that I'd reckon.

To kill whatever life is left in a stump, drilling a few holes &amp
filling them with copper sulfate might indeed kill whatever life is left
in it. Copper sulfate is available from a plumber supply. I'd do some
more research before I tried it though. By right of killing funguses,
copper might SLOW DOWN the decay of a stump, which will otherwise be
broken down over time by funguses.

The copper nail thing might be credible, but I'd have to see some data to
believe it. It seems that just about everyone has HEARD it works, but
almost nobody knows where to get copper nails, so I suspect it's just one
of those perpetually repeated rumors that no one has actually tested. When
I made a quick-search for any study or proof, I could find nothing
definitive, though the International Society of Arboriculture says it is a
myth, that if there were any truth to it, fungicides which deliver vastly
greater amounts of copper to a plant or tree would kill it
http://www.wcisa.net/myths.asp.

Another non-study which nevertheless makes a lot of sense is on-line at
Garden World, a footnote to an article on building stuff with copper for
the garden:
"It is a commonly held misconception or 'old wives tale' that copper nails
kill trees. Copper in its metallic form is not toxic to trees. The only
damage that may have occurred is simply mechanical. Thus, if there are
enough nails around the circumference of a tree to completely girdle it,
then it will die, but otherwise there will be little damage other than a
potential point of entry to decay fungi."
http://www.gardenworld.co.uk/project-copper.asp

A real field study would be more valuable, of course, but I strongly
suspect the assessment of this notion as an "old wives tale" is the
correct assessment.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com



Stormin Mormon 08-07-2004 02:02 AM

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Where does one get copper nails? I'm not sure I want to know. vampire supply
house?

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"Ralf G. Toennies" wrote in message
...
If there still is a stump, drive copper nails in it. That may stop the new
shoots.




Repeating Rifle 08-07-2004 05:02 AM

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in article , Stormin Mormon at
wrote on 7/7/04 5:38 PM:

Where does one get copper nails? I'm not sure I want to know. vampire supply
house?


I do not know about copper nails per se. Maybe someone still nails copper
bottoms onto boats.

In any event, if you dip steel nails into copper sulfate, comper will plate
out on it. If you start with a clean nail, the copper may even end up
sticking.

Bill


Frogleg 08-07-2004 12:02 PM

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"gary davis" wrote


Humm...no! Don't ever use Roundup. We are trying to kill a former tree not
the drinking waters.





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