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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:39:33 GMT, (The Watcher) opined:
I wouldn't trust Michael Moore to expose the fact that the sky is blue. I recently watched Bowling for Columbine, and after that experience I wouldn't believe him if his tongue was notarized. Point me to what you believe is inaccurate in Bowling for Columbine. Does that mean there's no proof for that claim that Bush's "Bring it on" has CAUSED terrorist attacks? Clearly, terrorist attacks have doubled since that statement. I guess you don't read the newspaper...much like Bush. Is it? Interesting. Back in the pioneer days that was considered old enough to be raising a family, owning land, and doing most adult things. In the pioneer days? Are you serious? I would hope society had grown since then. People only lived to be 45 back then...in the west. People in the far east far outlived most people in the west. They are still superior to any western country, spiritually and socially. It's always possible, but I don't think so. Anyway, I spent 15 years in the military, so I guess that makes me qualified to speak on that subject, anyway. How long did you serve? ;) Would that matter how long I served? :) I didn't think so. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:38:28 GMT, escapee wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:23:21 GMT, (The Watcher) opined: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:04:33 GMT, escapee wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:47:57 GMT, (The Watcher) opined: No, Kerry seems more likely to run the government based on some unrealistic idea of a Nanny State, with big dreams involving the government doing everything for everybody. Of course, somebody is going to have to pay for that, and I don't see Kerry raiding his wife's trust funds, so he'll have to get the money from the liberal's favorite source, the taxpayers. No problem. American taxpayers have deep pockets. :/ How is that any worse than the pandering to corporate America by our current administration? And how is it better? I guess when you don't know the answer, you ask another question. Sometimes when you don't know the answer you just don't answer the question, right? |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:38:31 -0700, remove munged
wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:39:33 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: after that experience I wouldn't believe him if his tongue was notarized. Oh Oh so your gun toting paranoid sensibilities were offended? Nope. Moore demonstrated to me a total lack of integrity. Care to point out which of the death by gun statistics were incorrect, or is this more bullshit like you unfounded statistics on Iraq deaths among NCO's in their late 30's? Got a quote of my "unfounded statistics on Iraq deaths among NCO's in their late 30's". Of the total killed in Iraq less than 10% were over 37 (103) 119 if we begin with the "middle" 30's Wars kill kids.....on both sides! Kills adults, too, doesn't it. Maybe we should pass a law against it or something. :/ |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:42:48 GMT, escapee wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:39:33 GMT, (The Watcher) opined: I wouldn't trust Michael Moore to expose the fact that the sky is blue. I recently watched Bowling for Columbine, and after that experience I wouldn't believe him if his tongue was notarized. Point me to what you believe is inaccurate in Bowling for Columbine. Does that mean there's no proof for that claim that Bush's "Bring it on" has CAUSED terrorist attacks? Clearly, terrorist attacks have doubled since that statement. I guess you don't read the newspaper...much like Bush. Uh, the fact that something happens after something else doesn't mean the first thing CAUSES the second thing, does it? In that case, I must have caused it to rain yesterday, since I went outside just before it started raining. Is it? Interesting. Back in the pioneer days that was considered old enough to be raising a family, owning land, and doing most adult things. In the pioneer days? Are you serious? I would hope society had grown since then. People only lived to be 45 back then...in the west. People in the far east far outlived most people in the west. They are still superior to any western country, spiritually and socially. It's always possible, but I don't think so. Anyway, I spent 15 years in the military, so I guess that makes me qualified to speak on that subject, anyway. How long did you serve? ;) Would that matter how long I served? :) I didn't think so. It would if you wanted to discuss the military. Anyway, back on the subject of those "kids". Maybe we should consider anybody under 21 kids. We could take away their driving privileges. We could stop letting them join the military. We could stop letting them get married. We could stop letting them enjoy ANY of the rights adults enjoy. No voting. No firearms ownership. Anybody here wanna try that? If you really believe everybody under 21 is a "kid" seems like you should support that. If they're just "kids" they're not responsible enough to handle adult responsibilities. I joined the Army when I was 17. I wasn't the most mature 17-year-old, but I learned quickly that I was part of a group that depended on me. I was surrounded by a lot of other young MEN, most of them about the same age, and most of them handled their responsibilities quite well. I spent plenty of time in lots of different types of units with a lot of men(and some women) over 15 years, and I don't think I served with too many "kids". |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:33:04 -0700, remove munged
wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:33:02 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: I consider one of America's biggest national black marks the way we(as a country) treated the veterans WE sent to fight in Vietnam More hype and blather from a know nothing. Oh? How many Welcome Home parades were there for the veterans when they came home from Vietnam? How many memorials have been erected to the men who served in Vietnam? As a part of the "Vietnam Veterans Against the War" campaign I saw NONE of the idiocies overblown by blowhards and republican chicken hawks! Well, since YOU saw none, it certainly couldn't have happened. Any stories of other people who claimed it happened to them or they saw it happen were just figments of their imagination. Speaking of know-nothings, did you learn your philosophy from the ostriches? What was outstanding was the war mongers republicans inability to deal with agent orange. That was the real slap in Vietnam veterans faces! Not some highed out hippy! I didn't even bother mentioning hippies. I was referring to the behavior of the country as a whole, which I still consider abominable. |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:36 GMT, (The Watcher) opined:
Uh, the fact that something happens after something else doesn't mean the first thing CAUSES the second thing, does it? In that case, I must have caused it to rain yesterday, since I went outside just before it started raining. Everything reacts to something. Our leader set up conditions for terrorists to lash out. We are not talking about the weather and how random weather is. We are talking about a specific event of a dullard saying "bring it on" while he went fishing and golfing, and life went on as usual. They guy is one of the most ignorant presidents in my lifetime. It would if you wanted to discuss the military. Anyway, back on the subject of those "kids". Yeah, jump right back there because now you don't know how long I served or where. Where did you serve? What was your rank. Maybe we should consider anybody under 21 kids. We could take away their driving privileges. We could stop letting them join the military. We could stop letting them get married. We could stop letting them enjoy ANY of the rights adults enjoy. No voting. No firearms ownership. Anybody here wanna try that? If you really believe everybody under 21 is a "kid" seems like you should support that. No, I didn't say that, but people like you think in terms of black and white. What I'm proposing is that, we cease sending boys and girls into combat for fake reasons. We should put the current administration in prison for lying to the world, the UN and for the fact that in all the many months after "Mission Accomplished" we still have not found one shred of evidence that WMD exist in Iraq, If they're just "kids" they're not responsible enough to handle adult responsibilities. I joined the Army when I was 17. I wasn't the most mature 17-year-old, but I learned quickly that I was part of a group that depended on me. I was surrounded by a lot of other young MEN, most of them about the same age, and most of them handled their responsibilities quite well. I spent plenty of time in lots of different types of units with a lot of men(and some women) over 15 years, and I don't think I served with too many "kids". You don't consider 17 to be a kid? Geesh, I sure hope you don't have kids. The problem is, the military sells a line of bullshit to kids in very poor areas of the country. Areas where college is only a thought, not a goal. They are told they will travel all over the world and get college for free. All this while we all know that anyone can get a student loan or grant for college in this country. I feel for you, soldier. You don't sound like you were ever in combat. If you were in combat, I think you may have PTSD and are in denial of the tragedy which is war. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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that is crap. it has nothing to do with how they are treated when they "get home".
all this nonsense about how badly the Viet Nam veterans were treated is bushwa distraction for the real problem which is that government did almost nothing to help them deal with their drug addictions (started in Viet Nam) nor their post traumatic stress syndrome... for which there is really no cure. The correlation is how much horror they have seen or committed and how crazy they are going to be afterwards. And medical and mental care for many is going to be a lifetime of support. something our citizens seems to be unwilling to think about much less make sure it is going to be there. the gov'ments response to agent orange, gulf war syndrome etc is the fund a commission to look into it and take enough time that most of the victims die before getting help. it has started already for our kids coming home with parts missing or dead... we are not allowed to even see images of the coffins. and the seriously injured are already dropping thru the cracks and due to the extended tour many of them have lost their jobs. I dont know anybody who treated returning VN vets badly when they returned. Maybe there was a couple incidents, they made the news but it sure wasnt the norm or average. Warm welcomes by strangers really isnt therapy for the horrors they have seen and been thru. The real bad treatment was our gov'ment abdicating responsibility for them after they returned home. Ingrid (The Watcher) wrote: The emotional damage could be a lot less if this country treated them better when they returned. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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it really is a line of bullshit too, cause my teaching assistants boyfriend went into
the military so he could get money for college and they trained him to be a mechanic and when he got out there WAS NO MONEY FOR COLLEGE. it is a lie. Ingrid escapee wrote: You don't consider 17 to be a kid? Geesh, I sure hope you don't have kids. The problem is, the military sells a line of bullshit to kids in very poor areas of the country. Areas where college is only a thought, not a goal. They are told they will travel all over the world and get college for free. All this while we all know that anyone can get a student loan or grant for college in this country. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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if you take all the speeches he said and quoted out of context you could make him
sound like he was selling his mother into slavery if you wanted. it is called cut and paste. it is made up. it is a lot of bushwa. Ingrid (The Watcher) wrote: Ah, so Kerry didn't say those things that they quote him saying, then? Interesting. Must be computer-generated graphics. You'd think the Kerry campaign folks would expose the dishonesty involved in that. They didn't mention that over at Kerry's message forum. They just talked about how his "viewpoint" changes sometimes. (snip) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:15:51 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: Maybe we should pass a law against it or something. :/ Finally a sensible response! Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets. To plant a pine, one need only own a shovel. -- Aldo Leopold |
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says... On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:06:02 GMT, wrote: he didnt "pick it up"... the republicans looked around for something to bash Kerry with and just made an "issue" up out of whole cloth. Ah, so Kerry didn't say those things that they quote him saying, then? Interesting. Must be computer-generated graphics. You'd think the Kerry campaign folks would expose the dishonesty involved in that. Can't we just stipulate that ALL politicians lie? The problem is figuring out which one will do the least damage to the country. Will Rogers again: "No one who wants to be elected should be." When Jefferson talked about the "tree of liberty" that must be watered occasionally "with the blood of tyrants", he was talking, not about the British or the French or any other foreign enemy, he was talking about Washington sending in federal troops to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. Or was that Shay's Rebellion? Or were they the same thing? Whatever, the point is the same. We started losing freedom almost as soon as the ink was dry on the Constitution and it's been whittled away ever since by all the politicians. I'm in my late 60s and just hoping the country stays more or less the same till I die. I wouldn't want to be just starting out in this century. -- Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs? |
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