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a welcome home parade doesnt do shit for anybody past the momentary "feel good". it
is the abdication of responsibility for veterans by our gov'ment that has been the root cause of the misery.. well the stupid useless war was the real misery. there is a memorial in Milwaukee down at the lake front. I been to the one in D.C. probably 20 times when I lived outside D.C. Ingrid (The Watcher) wrote: Oh? How many Welcome Home parades were there for the veterans when they came home from Vietnam? How many memorials have been erected to the men who served in Vietnam? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:48:28 GMT, escapee wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:25:36 GMT, (The Watcher) opined: Uh, the fact that something happens after something else doesn't mean the first thing CAUSES the second thing, does it? In that case, I must have caused it to rain yesterday, since I went outside just before it started raining. Everything reacts to something. That doesn't mean everything causes everything that happens after it, though. Logic requires proof. When you claim something is true, you're expected to prove it. You could just try hinting that it's true like Moore does, but for most people that isn't enough proof. Our leader set up conditions for terrorists to lash out. Which leader is that? Since terrorists have been "lashing out" for centuries, you must be talking about several leaders. We are not talking about the weather and how random weather is. No, we're talking about one specific claim of cause and effect. We are talking about a specific event of a dullard saying "bring it on" while he went fishing and golfing, and life went on as usual. They guy is one of the most ignorant presidents in my lifetime. Don't give up yet. There's still time. It would if you wanted to discuss the military. Anyway, back on the subject of those "kids". Yeah, jump right back there because now you don't know how long I served or where. Where did you serve? In 15 years I served twice in Colorado, twice in Germany, once in Georgia, once in California. I did my Basic Training at Fort Polk, Louisiana, and did assorted other training at other bases like Lowry Air Force Base in Denver and Fort Ben Harrison in Indianapolis. What was your rank. When I got out I was a Staff Sergeant(E-6), on the Sergeant First Class list. Maybe we should consider anybody under 21 kids. We could take away their driving privileges. We could stop letting them join the military. We could stop letting them get married. We could stop letting them enjoy ANY of the rights adults enjoy. No voting. No firearms ownership. Anybody here wanna try that? If you really believe everybody under 21 is a "kid" seems like you should support that. No, I didn't say that, but people like you think in terms of black and white. I don't know about people like me, but I don't think in terms of black and white. That's why I don't generally like emotional arguments like this "kids in combat" one. That's a black and white argument. What I'm proposing is that, we cease sending boys and girls into combat for fake reasons. Sounds good. While we're at it maybe we could cease sending men and women into combat for fake reasons too. We should put the current administration in prison for lying to the world, the UN and for the fact that in all the many months after "Mission Accomplished" we still have not found one shred of evidence that WMD exist in Iraq, Uh, weren't you paying attention to the news? They found Sarin and Mustard Gas in Irag. Before we went into Iraq, Weapons of Mass Destruction were defined as Nuclear, Biological, and CHEMICAL munitions. Both Sarin and Mustard Gas are chemical munitions. I'd say that would constitute a shred of evidence that WMD exist in Iraq. If they're just "kids" they're not responsible enough to handle adult responsibilities. I joined the Army when I was 17. I wasn't the most mature 17-year-old, but I learned quickly that I was part of a group that depended on me. I was surrounded by a lot of other young MEN, most of them about the same age, and most of them handled their responsibilities quite well. I spent plenty of time in lots of different types of units with a lot of men(and some women) over 15 years, and I don't think I served with too many "kids". You don't consider 17 to be a kid? Nope, not always. When I joined the Army I accepted the responsibilities of an adult(most of them anyway-I still couldn't legally vote, drink, or buy a handgun). Geesh, I sure hope you don't have kids. The problem is, the military sells a line of bullshit to kids in very poor areas of the country. Oh, were you a recruiter too? Areas where college is only a thought, not a goal. They are told they will travel all over the world and get college for free. Well, I did travel over a LOT of the world, and did get the opportunity to go to college. Nobody said it would be free, though. All this while we all know that anyone can get a student loan or grant for college in this country. I can tell you weren't ever a recruiter. If you think the GI college plan is the only reason people join the military, that much is obvious. I feel for you, soldier. Former soldier. I left the Army about 12 years ago. I do miss it, but it is the past now. You don't sound like you were ever in combat. If you were in combat, I think you may have PTSD and are in denial of the tragedy which is war. Thanks for the online diagnosis, but I think your diagnosis is badly mistaken, since *I* didn't express MY opinion about the tragedy which is war. Sounds like any opinions you're diagnosing are some you have inferred from somewhere. |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:31:01 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:33:04 -0700, remove munged wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:33:02 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: I consider one of America's biggest national black marks the way we(as a country) treated the veterans WE sent to fight in Vietnam More hype and blather from a know nothing. Oh? How many Welcome Home parades were there for the veterans when they came home from Vietnam? How many memorials have been erected to the men who served in Vietnam? There are no heroes in war, only victims..... As a part of the "Vietnam Veterans Against the War" campaign I saw NONE of the idiocies overblown by blowhards and republican chicken hawks! Well, since YOU saw none, it certainly couldn't have happened. Any stories of other people who claimed it happened to them or they saw it happen were just figments of their imagination. Speaking of know-nothings, did you learn your philosophy from the ostriches? Once again, OVERBLOWN! What was outstanding was the war mongers republicans inability to deal with agent orange. That was the real slap in Vietnam veterans faces! Not some highed out hippy! I didn't even bother mentioning hippies. I was referring to the behavior of the country as a whole, which I still consider abominable. Yes abominable behavior! It's still hard to believe the Amerikan public allowed the war to continue! Interesting you have no criticisms of that same Army of heroes that never got justice from Agent Orange exposure. I guess your precious Army hadn't much regard for it's heroes either? Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets. To plant a pine, one need only own a shovel. -- Aldo Leopold |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... In article , I saw one story, true or not I don't know, that one of Nader's biggest backers is a Bush Republican. If true, that backer lives in the real world - unfortunately. Nader accepts Republican signatures on petition GOP gathered names in Michigan to make sure maverick appears on ballot LANSING, Mich. (AP) — In an about face, Ralph Nader decided today to accept thousands of petition signatures collected by Michigan Republicans if that's the only way he can qualify for the state's presidential ballot. Last Thursday, Michigan Republican party officials submitted 43,000 signatures — far more than the 30,000 needed — to ensure Nader could appear on the ballot as an independent. Republicans began collecting signatures after it appeared that Nader might not get on the ballot as the Reform party's candidate for president. Nader's campaign had turned in about 5,400 signatures. But spokesman Kevin Zeese said it stopped collecting them a month ago after the national Reform party endorsed Nader and it looked as though he could get on the ballot as its candidate. But there has been a growing dispute over who controls the Reform party in Michigan. One group claiming to be the legitimate Reform Party of Michigan plans to nominate a presidential candidate for the ballot at its state convention Saturday. Chairman Matthew Crehan, of Muskegon, Mich., has said there is no guarantee Nader will get that nomination. A group headed by John Muntz, of Wyandotte, Mich., which also claims to be the legitimate state Reform party, already has nominated Nader for the spot on the state ballot. Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land has said she can't accept that nomination until the dispute over who controls the state Reform party is resolved. Zeese said the goal is to get Nader on Michigan's ballot — however it happens. "We're going to continue to pursue the Reform party, but we're not going to close off the independent option at this time while the Reform party has not decided" who is in charge, he said. Michigan Democratic party leaders have asked Nader to refuse the signatures, saying Republicans want him on the ballot only to draw votes away from Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. "We urge Nader to reject this Republican political trick and demonstrate that he is still a man with great integrity who honours his own beliefs," Michigan Democratic executive chairman Mark Brewer said. Zeese initially said last week that the campaign would refuse the Republican signatures. He later said he wasn't sure that was still the case if it turned out state officials wouldn't accept the Reform party nomination. Brewer said Nader's decision not to withdraw as an independent will force the party to file a federal election complaint against Nader's campaign and the Michigan Republican party, which it contends exceeded a state political party campaign limit of $5,000 US in helping Nader get on the ballot. State Republican executive director Greg McNeilly said last week that the party didn't exceed any campaign spending limits because it collected most of the signatures through volunteers. Democrats also plan to check the validity of all signatures and challenge any they find in error. Any challenges must be filed by Thursday afternoon. "A close inspection of the petitions revealed numerous instances of petition fraud made by Republican party staffers," Brewer said today in a statement. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1090275619184 |
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In article , (The
Watcher) wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:33:04 -0700, remove munged wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:33:02 GMT, (The Watcher) wrote: I consider one of America's biggest national black marks the way we(as a country) treated the veterans WE sent to fight in Vietnam More hype and blather from a know nothing. Oh? How many Welcome Home parades were there for the veterans when they came home from Vietnam? Well, I participated in quite a long parade of cars with their lights on as we took my childhood neighbor & first sweet crush Jimmy Shrieves to the cemetery, the first of several on our block to be brought home, in the words of Country Joe, "in a box." Didn't live long enough to ever vote or get LEGALLY drunk. And we honored him not only that day, but just about every day since, because it isn't something that ever really heals. So if such grief-stricken homecoming parades as that count, at the time there seemed to be no end to them in poorer neighborhoods like mine. If what you hoped for was jingoistic pride in a baseless & unjust war that couldn't even be won, then hey, you're just gonna love the next GOP convention. How many memorials have been erected to the men who served in Vietnam? God I hope that was asked tongue in cheek. More than for the Korean War for some reason. And one of 'em is world-wide the most famous war memorial that exists, with even a "travelling replica" that sets up here & there unvaryingly with massive attendance. There are a great many lesser-known Vietname War memorials listed here, with links & photos of each one: http://www.vietvet.org/vietmems.htm which documents not all that exist, since thousands more do exist in cemeteries, & smaller plaques in city parks across the nation. But the cited page finds a good many significant examples, in Alabama, Arkansas, a half-dozen in California, Connecticut, Colorado, Florida, five in Illinois, Indiana, two in Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, three in Massachusetts, two in Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, two in Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico has two, New York, North Carolina has two, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pensylvania has five, Texas has two, Utah, Vermont, Virginia has two, West Virginia. Michigan, & Wyoming. There are Vietnam War memorials additionally in Australia, New Zealand, two in Canada, -- & perhaps most humblingly, the Vietnamese & American Peace Park in Vietnam. Of course, what we still need are more Vietnam Anti-War Memorials commemorating homeland efforts & casualities, whose continuous pressures & protests did eventually put an end to a nightmare, & without whom that world-famous Memorial in D.C. would've had to have needed another wall longer. Until the memorials arrive, here at least are a couple good places to start for peace activists; it's still not too late to help out: Veterans for Peace: http://www.veteransforpeace.org/ Vietnam Vets Against the War: http://www.vvaw.org/ -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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Of course it's a lie. A bit one. Just today another big lie has been
uncovered. Our delightful VP did illegal work in Iran and Iraq when he was the CEO or whatever office he held at Halliburton or Brown and Root. He outright lied. Of course the argument could be he didn't know, but I doubt that. On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:12:43 GMT, opined: it really is a line of bullshit too, cause my teaching assistants boyfriend went into the military so he could get money for college and they trained him to be a mechanic and when he got out there WAS NO MONEY FOR COLLEGE. it is a lie. Ingrid escapee wrote: You don't consider 17 to be a kid? Geesh, I sure hope you don't have kids. The problem is, the military sells a line of bullshit to kids in very poor areas of the country. Areas where college is only a thought, not a goal. They are told they will travel all over the world and get college for free. All this while we all know that anyone can get a student loan or grant for college in this country. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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went into
the military so he could get money for college and they trained him to be a mechanic and when he got out there WAS NO MONEY FOR COLLEGE. it is a lie. Ingrid So I guess the degree my son obtained while in the Navy is a figment of my imagination, yes? |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:19:07 GMT, (The Watcher) opined:
That doesn't mean everything causes everything that happens after it, though. Logic requires proof. When you claim something is true, you're expected to prove it. You could just try hinting that it's true like Moore does, but for most people that isn't enough proof. I want you to give me three things Michael Moore lied about, was inaccurate about, or hinted about. I'm asking for any three things you can "prove" he lied about or got overblown by his position, or was untrue, or didn't have proper research. Which leader is that? Since terrorists have been "lashing out" for centuries, you must be talking about several leaders. Nope. The leader of our country in the United States, George W. Bush. No, we're talking about one specific claim of cause and effect. Correct, and we can look at the terrorist attacks and it is a fact that they have more than doubled since the monkey said "Bring it on." No, there are no scientific evidence provided, but I can see it's pretty clear...or coincidence, but you cannot honestly sit at the glowing screen and tell me these barbaric nations like our president. In 15 years I served twice in Colorado, twice in Germany once in Georgia, once in California. I did my Basic Training at Fort Polk, Louisiana, California, and did assorted other training at other bases like Lowry Air Force Base in Denver and Fort Ben Harrison in Indianapolis. I was born on an Air Force base. Does that matter? Maybe you were a military brat and you consider that serving? When I got out I was a Staff Sergeant(E-6), on the Sergeant First Class list. So you were never in Viet Nam? I don't know about people like me, but I don't think in terms of black and white. That's why I don't generally like emotional arguments like this "kids in combat" one. That's a black and white argument. Yeah, I said you think black and white and on this argument we're having, you now concede to it. Thanks for that much. Uh, weren't you paying attention to the news? They found Sarin and Mustard Gas in Irag. Before we went into Iraq, Weapons of Mass Destruction were defined as Nuclear, Biological, and CHEMICAL munitions. Both Sarin and Mustard Gas are chemical munitions. I'd say that would constitute a shred of evidence that WMD exist in Iraq. Oh, I suppose you support a shred of evidence as reason to go into a country, bomb the shit out of it, completely participate in the destruction of a people, demanding they now be a democracy, that they should also now know all about the Good News of Jesus Christ, etc...please, spare me the rhetoric. If they had weapons of mass destruction, they'd have used them by now. The amounts of biological or chemical weapons they found are not a blip on the radar. Oh, were you a recruiter too? No, were you? Are you trying to tell me the ads on my television which state how great life is in the military, how you get a free education, and travel all over the world, are figments of my imagination? Well, I did travel over a LOT of the world, and did get the opportunity to go to college. Nobody said it would be free, though. Oh, well, they are saying that now. Colorado, Germany, Georgia, California, Louisiana, and Indiana. Wow, heavy duty world travel. I can tell you weren't ever a recruiter. If you think the GI college plan is the only reason people join the military, that much is obvious. I didn't say that, so I dont need to respond. Thanks for the online diagnosis, but I think your diagnosis is badly mistaken, since *I* didn't express MY opinion about the tragedy which is war. Sounds like any opinions you're diagnosing are some you have inferred from somewhere. Yes, personal experience of how horrible war is on the mind, and spirit. Worse is a war based on lies being told by our president, which has continuously been outed by sources of all types and natures, under many different headers. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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In article ,
wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:19:07 GMT, (The Watcher) opined: That doesn't mean everything causes everything that happens after it, though. Logic requires proof. When you claim something is true, you're expected to prove it. You could just try hinting that it's true like Moore does, but for most people that isn't enough proof. I want you to give me three things Michael Moore lied about, was inaccurate about, or hinted about. I'm asking for any three things you can "prove" he lied about or got overblown by his position, or was untrue, or didn't have proper research. The sad reality is Michael Moore UNDER-stated throughout! If he'd told it all, it would've taken too long, & would have seemed truly impossible. Like the Bush clan's long-term associations with sundry international crime rings, none of that mentioned. Moore's film fails to note that many of his failed business dealings were intended to fail after lining the Shrub's pockets -- some were pay-back projects that began even while his dad was Vice Prez and could effect legislation special legislation to serve exclusively monied interests including the Bushes themselves. So when Michael goes on about the oil company that never managed to dig even one well, he failed to note that that was never really a business but a scam, & Bush always got richer off these kinds of failed deals. It's amazing to me that dewy-eyed right-wing naifs see Michael's understatements as over-the-top. It makes me wonder if such ignorance is self-imposed in order to remain deluded about the merits of George Dubya Bush, or if such naivity & stupidity is truly inate to rightwingers. ----------- ----------- REPOST: AMERICA'S FOREMOST CRIME LORDS RULE AMERICA The original robber barons as even the junior collegiate dictionary will tell you were ruthless industrialists of the late 19th Century who acquired vast wealth by any & all unethical means & used their wealth to corrupt government. The Bush Family of Crime Lords are modern robber barons. The Bush Family Crime Lords were at the heart of the Savings & Loans robberies of millions upon millions of dollars out of the pockets of the working masses, but with a clan member already serving as president, he was not apt to let his own son go to prison, so only the working masses ever suffered for this robbery. Today the Shrub is letting his fellow robber baron billionaires off the hook for having to pay whatever taxes are not already adequately sheltered, while promising the working classes a kidney pie made out of our own kidneys. The Bush family is one of the most corrupt in America, so it is weird that republicans won't even now let go of the smaller corruptions of the no longer relevant President Clinton. Should Democrats get up off their cowardly asses & become as crude & grotesque as seated Republicans, the criminal investigations of the Shrub directly & through his closest relations would stop the Shrub presidency in its tracks, because it won't be about whether he got a blowjob or not, it'll be about some of the worst most murderous gangster style international thefts filtering right into Bush Family Crime Lords' pockets. Yes all politicians are corrupt, & the Clintons veneer of idealism has only ever provided the smallest buffer against the villainous norm of the typical politician. But the Bush Family of Crime Lords goes way, way, way beyond the typical. The current batch of Shrubbery certainly never worked hard for anything unless you'd also categorize safe-crackers & mere work-a-day felons as hardworking chaps. But let's get some specifics. Below, I offer a short history lesson about the vast & horrifying criminal doings of the Bush Family Crime Lords: The Shrub's involvement with Saudi-connected BCCI through Harken Energy Corporation gave Harken -- which had never previously drilled even one offshore oil well -- exclusive rights to offshore Bahrain oil. The Shrub was a major stockholder in the Texas company, & since his daddy was president who waged a war all around Bahrain to protect "America's" oil access, no need to be surprised that "America" is defined as the Bush family exclusively. Harken never did learn anything about oil wells & eventually bankrupted, but not before the Shrub lined his pockets with millions & millions of dollars. Scant weeks before Harken ceased to exist as a company, the Shrub with insider information bailed out for a $850,000 profit in that one crooked deal alone -- he illegally delayed reporting the crooked stock deal for several weeks in an attempt to disguise the "timeliness" of a profit made by violating SEC regulations. The 850 thousand was small potatoes though -- estimates are he made 25-million off crooked oil deals up to that point, always with the Poppa Tree & the whole god damned American war machine backing him. Pretty good for an alcoholic, but when you have a big crime family helping out, you don't need to have that much personally on the ball. The Shrub already had a long history dirty oil deals, as the Saudis well knew when BCCI essentially gave Harken to the Bush family to suck dry for the family's personal gain. The pay-back was in the first Bush Administration's middle east policies -- & don't doubt for a minute that the the present war has any nobler purpose, the same old profitable shit is the goal. Consider: Chicago-born Palestinian Talat Othman became an advisor to the senior President Bush on middle eastern policies, resulting in Othman's meteoric rise of power & fortune representing Bahraini oil sheikhs -- plus Othman sat on the board of directors of -- guess where! -- the Shrub's Harken Corp! Paranoids can't make up better conspiracies than these well-documented & sordid connections. These deals & connections really do show Machiavelli to be the Shrub's favorite philosopher. The trail of ruined lives in his wealth-amassing path is a twenty year history of an abusive, evil drunkard who only sobered up in order to enter politics dragging his corruption in his wake. The Shrub has never earned an honest dollar. What of his wealth that was not inherited was gained through corruption & theft. The family that thieves together sticks together. Prescott Bush Jr during his brother George's presidency cemented many dirty deals in China -- he set up all the Chinese "expectations" that made them bold enough to try to buy into the Clinton administration without success, so pretty damned ironic the Republicans keep ringing the Yellow Peril Bell at Clinton when it was all due to Prescott Bush's machinations for the Bush family. Ten days before President Bush's stop in Japan, Prescott Bush was already there drumming up business for Prescott Bush Resources Ltd. Having acquired a co-partnership with Akoi Corporation he then went to Shanghai where the Akoi company was still hated because of connections to wartime atrocities, but Prescott with presidential backing paved the way for Akoi's next conquests with heaps of pay-backs to the Bush clan. Soon after, Asset Management Corp paid Prescott a personal fee of a quarter-million dollars to help launch a major communications project that would link Beijing by satellite to its furthest provinces. Why was Prescott needed? Because he had influence with bro' President Senior -- the senior Bush was the only person in the entire United States with the single-handed capacity to make a "national interest exception" to get Asset Management around legislation BARRING any US company from selling satellite technology to Communist China! (And once again, Republicans keep pretending Clinton permitted China to obtain illegal technologies by spying & influence-purchasing, when it was the Bush Crime Family all along doing it for no other reason than the amassing of personal wealth no matter how grievous the laws that are broken). The president acted according to instruction. Akoi & Prescott's commandments resulting in a $300-million profit to Asset, & several more large pay-offs & investment rewards straight into the Bush coffers. Meanwhile, Prescott cemented his relationship with the yakuza-run West Tsusho, which bought out Asset Management. When I say Crime Family I'm not being rhetorical; oil sheiks & yakuza gangs & the Bushes -- these are natural partnerships. So the Inagawakai branch of the yakuza with controlling interest in West Tshusho today own China's communications system thanks to continuous pay-offs to the Bush clan. The Inagawakai launder something like ten billion dollars each year -- a good Bush resource there too, the bushes being plugged into many cross-connecting money-laundering schemes since so much of their crime family wealth was legally obtained by no stretch of the imagination. Prescott, by the way, headed up covert business operations with Reagon administration backing -- not that Reagon had enough of his marbles to know what was up, but the powers behind him & the senior Bush ARE the same robber barons now backing the Shrub's presidency. So we're not talking about "mere" corrupt politicians who take big money from big corporations & screw the people as pay-back. We're talking about a long history of deep & profound corruption & the Bush clan seeking out investments among oil sheikhs & gangsters throughout the world. How about the shrub's brother Jeb Bush? What a crook! He was the Reagan administration's unofficial link with the Contras & Nicaraguan exiles in Miami, plus the same powerful gangster families that ran Havana before Castro sent them fleeing to Miami & Nicaragua. Jeb's illegal activities were orchestrated with backing of right-wing Guatemalan politician Dr. Mario Castejon who dealt through Jeb with Vice President Bush (Reagan being too brain-damaged & naive to be included in the loop of course). Under the guise of a "Medical Bridge to the Contras" millions & millions of dollars were fed to the Contras -- w/ huge pay-offs to Jeb. These machinations were assisted by fall-guy & super-dork, Oliver North, so the "medical bridge" was built by Jeb, George, Oliver, Castejon...& arms dealer Henry Waley. $27 million in "humanitarian" aid to the Contras in 1985 hugely profited corrupt government officials, Miami & Guatemalan gangsters, crooked arms dealers -- & inevitably the Bush clan. And you thought Jeb's biggest crime was heading a corrupt party that stopped black people from voting in Florida, & got George II appointed to a throne without having to count actual votes. So while the Shrub specialized in enriching the Bush clan with Saudi oil sheikh connections, we find that Prescott was doing the same with Asian yakuza connections, & Jeb with Contra & Miami gangster connections. A contra-connected right-wing Cuban who was for many, many years VERY powerful in Miami -- namely Miguel Recarey, Jr -- hired Jeb as a "real estate consultant" though no consulting was ever done. The first of many "consulting" fees was $75,000. Recarey ran an organization calling itself "International Medical Centers" which was a major donor to the Dade County Republicans. These same powers are today orchestrating no-paper-trail computer voting methods that any moderately skillful hacker can & will rearrange for crime lord interests. One of the largest areas of organized criminal endeavors is to pretend to sell millions upon millions of dollars of medical equipment to all & sundry, billing the US government. Recarey was already barred from any further billings to Medicare, but Jeb Bush & Dade County Republicans intervened, & Recarey's company was soon siphoning federal funds to his company once again. HHS Medicare fraud inspector, Leon Weinstein, discovered Recarey's fraudulently gained profits -- embezzled through medicare patients. These ill-gained profits, after padding Republican coffers & paying off the Miami gangster families, went primarily to support the Contras. Robert Teich, the head of the Drug Enforcement & Labor Racketeering in Miami, reported that all the stolen funds were in banks outside the US & could not be recovered; & gave evidence that Santos Trafficante, Jr., Mafia boss of Florida, was behind Recarey -- the same Trafficante who had twenty years earlier joined with the CIA in a failed effort to assassinate Castro. Recarey's criminal empire collapsed but he was "permitted" to flee to Venezuela -- the Bush administration made not even token moves to extradite him (to Robert Teich's consternation) since opening up Florida's Cuba Mafia would be too embarrassing to the Bush clan, knee-deep as they are in pay-offs & gains thanks to longstanding Cuban mafia connections. And that barely scratches the surface of Jeb's connections to people like right-winger & Cuban-American drug smuggler Leonel Martinez & many such people whose names & histories have reached the press (who knows how many others never publicly revealed). So A Vote for Any Bush is a Vote for the Cuban Mafia & for cocaine flooding into the USA. When you look at this family, the corruption is SO gigantic it is mindboggling. How about Neil Bush? Good lord, what a criminal! I won't outline his Russian Mafia connections & his Savings & Loan machinations to benefit the Bush clan robbing thousands of Americans of their life savings. Of all the criminals that make up the Bush Clan, only Neil's crimes have been widely reported so I'm going to assume everyone knows Neil is a slime-ball of the first order of villainy, who stayed out of prison strictly because of his family connections & because all these criminal endeavors are so well interconnected that to let one Bush go down would have a domino effect that would shake the very foundations the most crime-based political family America has ever seen. The senior Bush was a CIA career man & as such became expert in international crime. In many ways he seems to be the only one of the clan with clean hands, but that's an illusion maintained by his lieutenants all of whom have Bush as their last names, all of whom based their entries into government on the senior Bush, & their profitable crime connections cemented by the senior Bush's eagerness to shove the government in directions benefiting exclusively his crime family coffers. He was a great resource to his brother & his sons in cementing the Bush clan's longstanding association with the Cuban mafia, Japanese yakuza, drug-smuggling contras, corrupt oil sheikhs, whose international organized crime power sucked life savings out of even working stiffs who put their money in what they thought were safe savings & loans. None of which even begins to address the Bush Crime Family's Nazi affiliations which are also damnable, as Grampa Prescott was a chief nazi banker & business partner of Fritz Thyssen, through whom Prescott helped fund the rise of Hitler. The Thyssen-Prescott connection continued through the war -- eight months after America entered the war, Prescott was revealed as orchestrating & protecting Hitler's assets in New York investments. Grampa George Herbert Walker was in on the same game as wartime profiteers with continuing banking interests between New York & Berlin. That the Bushes & Walkers were nazi sympathizers & big-time financial supporters is not even a skeleton in the closet -- it has been revealed many times with the soundest of documentation -- but Republicans do what they can to suppress information, & Democrats are just such chickenshits they won't take advantage of the truth & so deserve the losses they've earned, in a world where even a clan of nazi sympathizers can defeat them. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of a gargantuan level of corruption that two Bushes have brought right into the White House. No matter how bad you imagine things to be, it's actually much worse. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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"D" wrote in message ... I"m smart enough to know that G.W.Bush, has kept the country safe from any terrorist attack for 2 1/2 yrs. But I guess you have to be really smart to see that, and to see that Al Gore or John Kerry are not even in the same league as George W. Bush. GW's actions in iraq has probably spawned a couple more generations of terrorists, surely not making us any safer in the long term. Bob |
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On 20 Jul 2004 17:02:48 GMT, (IntarsiaCo) opined:
went into the military so he could get money for college and they trained him to be a mechanic and when he got out there WAS NO MONEY FOR COLLEGE. it is a lie. Ingrid So I guess the degree my son obtained while in the Navy is a figment of my imagination, yes? He got lucky and probably wasn't serving in wartime. If I am wrong, I thank you and all your family for the service he did in combat, and during any training he did for our great nation. I love America. Freedom, however, is not free. I can understand war on a very raw level, not deeper than that. What I don't understand is the way the current administration can railroad all the people, lie to the UN, misinform the troops, disguise a terrorist as if he hit the Twin Towers, and we still have not found Osama. OR, they have found him and will cart him out right before the election. The level of lies out of the current administration is unmatched by any in the history of this country. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:04:02 -0700, (paghat)
opined: .. The sad reality is Michael Moore UNDER-stated throughout! If he'd told it all, it would've taken too long, & would have seemed truly impossible. Like the Bush clan's long-term associations with sundry international crime rings, none of that mentioned. Moore's film fails to note that many of his failed business dealings were intended to fail after lining the Shrub's pockets -- some were pay-back projects that began even while his dad was Vice Prez and could effect legislation special legislation to serve exclusively monied interests including the Bushes themselves. So when Michael goes on about the oil company that never managed to dig even one well, he failed to note that that was never really a business but a scam, & Bush always got richer off these kinds of failed deals. It's amazing to me that dewy-eyed right-wing naifs see Michael's understatements as over-the-top. It makes me wonder if such ignorance is self-imposed in order to remain deluded about the merits of George Dubya Bush, or if such naivity & stupidity is truly inate to rightwingers. Sadly, it's the latter, I believe. You live in a fairly progressive part of the nation. I live in the heart of Texas. Sure, Austin is the place to live if you must live in Texas. It's quite liberal, multi-cultural, has a huge population of University students and on the whole, a grand population of people, 67% of which have higher education. Of that 67%, 24% have PhD level education. However, there is a huge populous in other small towns, out in the hayseeds of America which believe Bush loves them. Bush is a kreestchun and he's dewin the loads workin's. Feh. I will wait forever to hear the three things I ask for. Just three out of all Moore's books, films or articles in featured magazines or interviews. Victoria ----------- ----------- REPOST: AMERICA'S FOREMOST CRIME LORDS RULE AMERICA The original robber barons as even the junior collegiate dictionary will tell you were ruthless industrialists of the late 19th Century who acquired vast wealth by any & all unethical means & used their wealth to corrupt government. The Bush Family of Crime Lords are modern robber barons. The Bush Family Crime Lords were at the heart of the Savings & Loans robberies of millions upon millions of dollars out of the pockets of the working masses, but with a clan member already serving as president, he was not apt to let his own son go to prison, so only the working masses ever suffered for this robbery. Today the Shrub is letting his fellow robber baron billionaires off the hook for having to pay whatever taxes are not already adequately sheltered, while promising the working classes a kidney pie made out of our own kidneys. The Bush family is one of the most corrupt in America, so it is weird that republicans won't even now let go of the smaller corruptions of the no longer relevant President Clinton. Should Democrats get up off their cowardly asses & become as crude & grotesque as seated Republicans, the criminal investigations of the Shrub directly & through his closest relations would stop the Shrub presidency in its tracks, because it won't be about whether he got a blowjob or not, it'll be about some of the worst most murderous gangster style international thefts filtering right into Bush Family Crime Lords' pockets. Yes all politicians are corrupt, & the Clintons veneer of idealism has only ever provided the smallest buffer against the villainous norm of the typical politician. But the Bush Family of Crime Lords goes way, way, way beyond the typical. The current batch of Shrubbery certainly never worked hard for anything unless you'd also categorize safe-crackers & mere work-a-day felons as hardworking chaps. But let's get some specifics. Below, I offer a short history lesson about the vast & horrifying criminal doings of the Bush Family Crime Lords: The Shrub's involvement with Saudi-connected BCCI through Harken Energy Corporation gave Harken -- which had never previously drilled even one offshore oil well -- exclusive rights to offshore Bahrain oil. The Shrub was a major stockholder in the Texas company, & since his daddy was president who waged a war all around Bahrain to protect "America's" oil access, no need to be surprised that "America" is defined as the Bush family exclusively. Harken never did learn anything about oil wells & eventually bankrupted, but not before the Shrub lined his pockets with millions & millions of dollars. Scant weeks before Harken ceased to exist as a company, the Shrub with insider information bailed out for a $850,000 profit in that one crooked deal alone -- he illegally delayed reporting the crooked stock deal for several weeks in an attempt to disguise the "timeliness" of a profit made by violating SEC regulations. The 850 thousand was small potatoes though -- estimates are he made 25-million off crooked oil deals up to that point, always with the Poppa Tree & the whole god damned American war machine backing him. Pretty good for an alcoholic, but when you have a big crime family helping out, you don't need to have that much personally on the ball. The Shrub already had a long history dirty oil deals, as the Saudis well knew when BCCI essentially gave Harken to the Bush family to suck dry for the family's personal gain. The pay-back was in the first Bush Administration's middle east policies -- & don't doubt for a minute that the the present war has any nobler purpose, the same old profitable shit is the goal. Consider: Chicago-born Palestinian Talat Othman became an advisor to the senior President Bush on middle eastern policies, resulting in Othman's meteoric rise of power & fortune representing Bahraini oil sheikhs -- plus Othman sat on the board of directors of -- guess where! -- the Shrub's Harken Corp! Paranoids can't make up better conspiracies than these well-documented & sordid connections. These deals & connections really do show Machiavelli to be the Shrub's favorite philosopher. The trail of ruined lives in his wealth-amassing path is a twenty year history of an abusive, evil drunkard who only sobered up in order to enter politics dragging his corruption in his wake. The Shrub has never earned an honest dollar. What of his wealth that was not inherited was gained through corruption & theft. The family that thieves together sticks together. Prescott Bush Jr during his brother George's presidency cemented many dirty deals in China -- he set up all the Chinese "expectations" that made them bold enough to try to buy into the Clinton administration without success, so pretty damned ironic the Republicans keep ringing the Yellow Peril Bell at Clinton when it was all due to Prescott Bush's machinations for the Bush family. Ten days before President Bush's stop in Japan, Prescott Bush was already there drumming up business for Prescott Bush Resources Ltd. Having acquired a co-partnership with Akoi Corporation he then went to Shanghai where the Akoi company was still hated because of connections to wartime atrocities, but Prescott with presidential backing paved the way for Akoi's next conquests with heaps of pay-backs to the Bush clan. Soon after, Asset Management Corp paid Prescott a personal fee of a quarter-million dollars to help launch a major communications project that would link Beijing by satellite to its furthest provinces. Why was Prescott needed? Because he had influence with bro' President Senior -- the senior Bush was the only person in the entire United States with the single-handed capacity to make a "national interest exception" to get Asset Management around legislation BARRING any US company from selling satellite technology to Communist China! (And once again, Republicans keep pretending Clinton permitted China to obtain illegal technologies by spying & influence-purchasing, when it was the Bush Crime Family all along doing it for no other reason than the amassing of personal wealth no matter how grievous the laws that are broken). The president acted according to instruction. Akoi & Prescott's commandments resulting in a $300-million profit to Asset, & several more large pay-offs & investment rewards straight into the Bush coffers. Meanwhile, Prescott cemented his relationship with the yakuza-run West Tsusho, which bought out Asset Management. When I say Crime Family I'm not being rhetorical; oil sheiks & yakuza gangs & the Bushes -- these are natural partnerships. So the Inagawakai branch of the yakuza with controlling interest in West Tshusho today own China's communications system thanks to continuous pay-offs to the Bush clan. The Inagawakai launder something like ten billion dollars each year -- a good Bush resource there too, the bushes being plugged into many cross-connecting money-laundering schemes since so much of their crime family wealth was legally obtained by no stretch of the imagination. Prescott, by the way, headed up covert business operations with Reagon administration backing -- not that Reagon had enough of his marbles to know what was up, but the powers behind him & the senior Bush ARE the same robber barons now backing the Shrub's presidency. So we're not talking about "mere" corrupt politicians who take big money from big corporations & screw the people as pay-back. We're talking about a long history of deep & profound corruption & the Bush clan seeking out investments among oil sheikhs & gangsters throughout the world. How about the shrub's brother Jeb Bush? What a crook! He was the Reagan administration's unofficial link with the Contras & Nicaraguan exiles in Miami, plus the same powerful gangster families that ran Havana before Castro sent them fleeing to Miami & Nicaragua. Jeb's illegal activities were orchestrated with backing of right-wing Guatemalan politician Dr. Mario Castejon who dealt through Jeb with Vice President Bush (Reagan being too brain-damaged & naive to be included in the loop of course). Under the guise of a "Medical Bridge to the Contras" millions & millions of dollars were fed to the Contras -- w/ huge pay-offs to Jeb. These machinations were assisted by fall-guy & super-dork, Oliver North, so the "medical bridge" was built by Jeb, George, Oliver, Castejon...& arms dealer Henry Waley. $27 million in "humanitarian" aid to the Contras in 1985 hugely profited corrupt government officials, Miami & Guatemalan gangsters, crooked arms dealers -- & inevitably the Bush clan. And you thought Jeb's biggest crime was heading a corrupt party that stopped black people from voting in Florida, & got George II appointed to a throne without having to count actual votes. So while the Shrub specialized in enriching the Bush clan with Saudi oil sheikh connections, we find that Prescott was doing the same with Asian yakuza connections, & Jeb with Contra & Miami gangster connections. A contra-connected right-wing Cuban who was for many, many years VERY powerful in Miami -- namely Miguel Recarey, Jr -- hired Jeb as a "real estate consultant" though no consulting was ever done. The first of many "consulting" fees was $75,000. Recarey ran an organization calling itself "International Medical Centers" which was a major donor to the Dade County Republicans. These same powers are today orchestrating no-paper-trail computer voting methods that any moderately skillful hacker can & will rearrange for crime lord interests. One of the largest areas of organized criminal endeavors is to pretend to sell millions upon millions of dollars of medical equipment to all & sundry, billing the US government. Recarey was already barred from any further billings to Medicare, but Jeb Bush & Dade County Republicans intervened, & Recarey's company was soon siphoning federal funds to his company once again. HHS Medicare fraud inspector, Leon Weinstein, discovered Recarey's fraudulently gained profits -- embezzled through medicare patients. These ill-gained profits, after padding Republican coffers & paying off the Miami gangster families, went primarily to support the Contras. Robert Teich, the head of the Drug Enforcement & Labor Racketeering in Miami, reported that all the stolen funds were in banks outside the US & could not be recovered; & gave evidence that Santos Trafficante, Jr., Mafia boss of Florida, was behind Recarey -- the same Trafficante who had twenty years earlier joined with the CIA in a failed effort to assassinate Castro. Recarey's criminal empire collapsed but he was "permitted" to flee to Venezuela -- the Bush administration made not even token moves to extradite him (to Robert Teich's consternation) since opening up Florida's Cuba Mafia would be too embarrassing to the Bush clan, knee-deep as they are in pay-offs & gains thanks to longstanding Cuban mafia connections. And that barely scratches the surface of Jeb's connections to people like right-winger & Cuban-American drug smuggler Leonel Martinez & many such people whose names & histories have reached the press (who knows how many others never publicly revealed). So A Vote for Any Bush is a Vote for the Cuban Mafia & for cocaine flooding into the USA. When you look at this family, the corruption is SO gigantic it is mindboggling. How about Neil Bush? Good lord, what a criminal! I won't outline his Russian Mafia connections & his Savings & Loan machinations to benefit the Bush clan robbing thousands of Americans of their life savings. Of all the criminals that make up the Bush Clan, only Neil's crimes have been widely reported so I'm going to assume everyone knows Neil is a slime-ball of the first order of villainy, who stayed out of prison strictly because of his family connections & because all these criminal endeavors are so well interconnected that to let one Bush go down would have a domino effect that would shake the very foundations the most crime-based political family America has ever seen. The senior Bush was a CIA career man & as such became expert in international crime. In many ways he seems to be the only one of the clan with clean hands, but that's an illusion maintained by his lieutenants all of whom have Bush as their last names, all of whom based their entries into government on the senior Bush, & their profitable crime connections cemented by the senior Bush's eagerness to shove the government in directions benefiting exclusively his crime family coffers. He was a great resource to his brother & his sons in cementing the Bush clan's longstanding association with the Cuban mafia, Japanese yakuza, drug-smuggling contras, corrupt oil sheikhs, whose international organized crime power sucked life savings out of even working stiffs who put their money in what they thought were safe savings & loans. None of which even begins to address the Bush Crime Family's Nazi affiliations which are also damnable, as Grampa Prescott was a chief nazi banker & business partner of Fritz Thyssen, through whom Prescott helped fund the rise of Hitler. The Thyssen-Prescott connection continued through the war -- eight months after America entered the war, Prescott was revealed as orchestrating & protecting Hitler's assets in New York investments. Grampa George Herbert Walker was in on the same game as wartime profiteers with continuing banking interests between New York & Berlin. That the Bushes & Walkers were nazi sympathizers & big-time financial supporters is not even a skeleton in the closet -- it has been revealed many times with the soundest of documentation -- but Republicans do what they can to suppress information, & Democrats are just such chickenshits they won't take advantage of the truth & so deserve the losses they've earned, in a world where even a clan of nazi sympathizers can defeat them. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of a gargantuan level of corruption that two Bushes have brought right into the White House. No matter how bad you imagine things to be, it's actually much worse. -paghat the ratgirl Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
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This is untrue. Many of us had our education funded by the VA. If he
didn't get any, perhaps he waited too long, or had a bad discharge. wrote: it really is a line of bullshit too, cause my teaching assistants boyfriend went into the military so he could get money for college and they trained him to be a mechanic and when he got out there WAS NO MONEY FOR COLLEGE. it is a lie. Ingrid escapee wrote: You don't consider 17 to be a kid? Geesh, I sure hope you don't have kids. The problem is, the military sells a line of bullshit to kids in very poor areas of the country. Areas where college is only a thought, not a goal. They are told they will travel all over the world and get college for free. All this while we all know that anyone can get a student loan or grant for college in this country. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. -- SPAMBLOCK NOTICE! To reply to me, delete the h from apkh.net, if it is there. |
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wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 17:02:48 GMT, (IntarsiaCo) opined: went into the military so he could get money for college and they trained him to be a mechanic and when he got out there WAS NO MONEY FOR COLLEGE. it is a lie. Ingrid So I guess the degree my son obtained while in the Navy is a figment of my imagination, yes? He got lucky and probably wasn't serving in wartime. My ex, Sheri, was a Vietnam era vet, though she spent the war stateside. After she was mustered out she had the GI Bill which gained her great terms on buying a condominium, & funding to go back to school. But vets who served a few years later got nothing beyond whatever they could gain educationally while in the service. The one remaining big perk after serving was access to an underfunded medical system that itself killed a lot of vets unnecessarily; that system is working a LITTLE better just now, but needs vigilant watchdogging by veteran activists or it would go all to shit again. However, you could even now get a good education by qualifying for an officer's program through the NROTC, & that can be a very good education followed afterward by service. -paghat the ratgirl If I am wrong, I thank you and all your family for the service he did in combat, and during any training he did for our great nation. I love America. Freedom, however, is not free. I can understand war on a very raw level, not deeper than that. What I don't understand is the way the current administration can railroad all the people, lie to the UN, misinform the troops, disguise a terrorist as if he hit the Twin Towers, and we still have not found Osama. OR, they have found him and will cart him out right before the election. The level of lies out of the current administration is unmatched by any in the history of this country. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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