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Something I Didn't Plant
This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else.
A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch. When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75% decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is it? http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html TIA -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html |
Run for your life!!!
Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!! "Warren" wrote in message news:Zxk7d.53942$He1.16514@attbi_s01... This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else. A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch. When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75% decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is it? http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html TIA -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html |
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"Cereus-validus" wrote: Run for your life!!! Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!! Are you SURE that that is not a triffid??!!! "Warren" wrote in message news:Zxk7d.53942$He1.16514@attbi_s01... This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else. A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch. When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75% decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is it? http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html TIA -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html |
Cereus-validus wrote:
Run for your life!!! Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!! Damn. I knew it was something unusual, and to be feared. Are you sure? Shouldn't the bloom face east, not due west? And the spot it is growing in hasn't been dug since early April. Could it have taken root after being deposited on top of an inch or two of bark mulch? Or would it be so late in the season if it was under the mulch? It just doesn't seem like a sunflower would be coming up so late in the season, and facing the wrong direction. Of course I haven't purposely grown them, and the ones that sprout around the bird feeder that sprout (and few actually do), bloomed two months ago, faced east or south, and were much smaller. But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the guilty party is. -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html |
"Warren" expounded:
Are you sure? Shouldn't the bloom face east, not due west? And the spot it is growing in hasn't been dug since early April. Could it have taken root after being deposited on top of an inch or two of bark mulch? Or would it be so late in the season if it was under the mulch? I had sunflowers starting up in mid-July. Yes, that's what it is, and the bloom, when it opens, will follow the sun. Enjoy the gift! :o) -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:02:09 GMT, "Warren"
wrote: But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the guilty party is. Around here, it would be the Jays. |
damn I love this guy!
maddie -- Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect." Chief Seattle "Cereus-validus" wrote in message ... Run for your life!!! Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!! "Warren" wrote in message news:Zxk7d.53942$He1.16514@attbi_s01... This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else. A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch. When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75% decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is it? http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html TIA -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html |
"madgardener" wrote in message ... Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect." Chief Seattle damn I love this guy! maddie He thinks good Karma. |
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wrote: "madgardener" wrote in message ... Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect." Chief Seattle damn I love this guy! maddie He thinks good Karma. It's only too bad Si'alh (Chief Sealth) never gave that speech, which was a romantic invention concocted by screenwriter Ted Perry, who had looked up Chief Sealth's speech & assessed it as "simply not very inspiring or significant" so made one up he liked better, for the 1972 telefilm "Home," which was somewhat hippy oriented, & aimed at ecology-minded christian whites & completely unconcerned with Native Americans. The fake speech includes such moronic impositions as "I have seen a thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot them from a passing train" when Chief Sealth's stomping grounds were the east & west side of Puget Sound, & he neither saw prairies of dead buffalos nor pretended he had, nor in 1854 could he have seen a train; nor did Sealth know the "web of life" myth which is Greek, though had that been the only absurdity it could've been chalked up to a translator's imposition, though in fact it is just Ted Perry writing from a white cultural basis. Every line of the fake speech is either historically ridiculously, or portrays Chief Sealth as some kind of Saint Frances idiot savant, if not merely a third-rate poet suited to one more bad song from Paint Your Wagon, "I talk to the trees." This fake speech insults Northwest native peoples, who've tried to no avail to squelch this fake, but most whites want no part of the real deal, because history is painful but Popular Romance is a feel-good Par-Tay. What is preserved of his actual speech can be read he http://courses.washington.edu/spcmu/...hiefsealth.htm It was imperfectly recorded, & he gave his speech in Salish, so the speech as we have it is a witnesse's after-the-fact reconstruction from notes taken through a translator. Some historians have complained that even this "authentic" speech is poorly attested, but it has enough actual touchstones to the 1850s that it can probably be accepted as being as close as we'll ever have to hearing Sealth's oratorial strength. It is horrifying that white america prefers its own modern version which has been turned into t-shirts, environmentalist posters, greeting cards, persistantly misattributed for the three decades since it was written, while Sealth's actual words of peace & sorrow receed from public knowledge. Why is that awful Ashleigh Brilliant-style fake speech is so well known, loved, & persistantly quoted, but the disturbingly beautiful original is not: "At night, when the streets of your cities & villages shall be silent & you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that once filled & still love this beautiful land. The white man will never be alone. Let him be just & deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not altogether powerless." Even this moving statement is altered by white interpolations, an anonymous christian editor adding to a later, revised version the ridiculous afterthought "Dead did I say? There is no death, only a change of worlds," completely reversing Sealth's persistant "comparisons" of conqureror vs native beliefs; one of Sealth's beliefs was that the spirits of the dead linger in THIS world, not some distant paradise, & this difference of belief was signal to his 1854 explanation of why these two cultures had such turmoil between them. The actual speech speaks to real injustices & inevitabilities & is very moving in its historical context, permitting a glimpse of a good man who lived through a challenging time of sorry changes for his people, & still hoped room might be preserved for his people. The fake speech plays more generically into a broad liberal white guilt & the exact same kind of (ultimately racist) Romanticism of the Noble Savage that caused photographer Edward Curtis to make up his own Indian costumes & require Indians to wear them before he would photograph them, having absolutely no interest in their actual lives. The fake speech is a nice paean for the Sierra Club; the real speech is an unembittered plea for peaceful co-exsistance with conquerors who had been killing off Sealth's relatives for several years, for he knew his people could not survive through rebellion. When he graciously accepts the offer of reservation life because his people "are no longer in need of a great country" there is a bit of a backhanded compliment imbedded in there; when he accepts the alleged "friendship" of the Great White Father back east (who he thought was still Geroge Washington), he says how generous this offer is friendship must be since the Great White Father has so "little need of our friendship." These are such obviously veiled criticisms of further injustice he is about to cave in to in order that some of his people might survive, even if only as "broken bands" grieving over their peoples' burial places. Understanding Sealth's position gives beauty & weight to his words, but the fake speech is suited primarily to quotation in Hallmark Cards or as captions in National Park picture books & tourist pamphlets. As a great man of peace, Sealth deserves far better than forever to be quoted for things he never said, that had nothing to do with his life & the storm he had to bring his people through. His words were prophetic, & concern the ecology insofar as he saw that not only his people, but also the very land, were decaying beneath the tread of white conquest, a madness he blamed on whites' belief that the dead go away to a far paradise, whereas his own ancestors dwelt in the wild places that were already in Sealth's day being decimated, the whites permitting nowhere on earth "dedicated to solitude." Sealth was liked by whites because he was always placating whites & joined no rebellions. He was nevertheless brave to give the actual speech he gave, considering how Quiemuth was stabbed to death in Governor Stevens' office for attempting peacefully to turn himself over to conquerors, & when Chief Leschi sued for peaceful negotiations, he was summarily hung for an invented crime, in a public display of white barbarity the purpose of which would today be called pure terrorism in both its intent & its effect. The only good that can be said of white response at that time is that the white soldiers at Ft Steilacom so respected Leschi as a just warrior, & knowing that he was not guilty of the crime alleged, would not permit the territorial governor to have Leschi hanged in the fort, blocking the gallows to being placed there. It was otherwise an unitertupted legacy of conquerors' merciless cruelty that Sealth stood before, accepting humiliation while begging for co-existence, NOT for an Arbor Day celebration or donations to the Audobon Society. Visit Chief Sealth's own tribe on the web: http://www.suquamish.nsn.us/ -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
"madgardener" expounded:
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect." Chief Seattle Mad, I have no idea where some people get their spelling, but here's a good link explaining the Chief Seattle stuff. I'll refrain from my own editorializing. http://www.kyphilom.com/www/seattle.html I love the sentiment, I don't care who wrote it. It is the way we should all live our lives. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
Warren said:
Cereus-validus wrote: Run for your life!!! Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!! Damn. I knew it was something unusual, and to be feared. snip But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the guilty party is. I'm going to finger the jays. Notorious for caching sunflower seeds around the yard. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!!
Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!! "Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Warren said: Cereus-validus wrote: Run for your life!!! Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!! Damn. I knew it was something unusual, and to be feared. snip But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the guilty party is. I'm going to finger the jays. Notorious for caching sunflower seeds around the yard. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Cereus-validus said:
Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!! Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!! Don't make me send my pal Vinnie Boombatz after you! -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
But what is
it? http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html TIA I suck at these ID things but looks like a sunflower to me :o) Colleen Zone 5 CT |
Warren wrote:
...Shouldn't the bloom face east, not due west?... I plant sunflowers for sale as cut flowers. about 95% of them face east-southeast. They do not follow the sun. The ones I plant are the fancy hybrid pollenless varieties, but the volunteers that spring up from the neighbors' birdseed do the same thing (There are fewer of them, so the statistics are less reliable). |
Cereus-validus wrote:
Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!! Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!! Rats with wings. |
dps said:
Cereus-validus wrote: Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!! Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!! Rats with wings. Crows and jays may be a bit thuggish, but don't qualify as rats. Native, intelligent, and classy in a way. 'Rats with wings' can only be starlings or pigeons. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
"Rats with wings" would definitely be a good definition for starlings. They
are vulgar bullies with no redeeming value. There should be a bounty on killing the pests. Pigeons are more like clowns. When you see the way they walk, you almost feel sorry for them. Its almost like they need corrective shoes and rehabilitation. *************************** Bats most definitely are not "rats with wings" despite their German name, they aren't even rodents. "Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... dps said: Cereus-validus wrote: Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!! Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!! Rats with wings. Crows and jays may be a bit thuggish, but don't qualify as rats. Native, intelligent, and classy in a way. 'Rats with wings' can only be starlings or pigeons. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Cereus-validus said:
"Rats with wings" would definitely be a good definition for starlings. They are vulgar bullies with no redeeming value. There should be a bounty on killing the pests. I agree...young starlings cause a lot of damage in my vegetable garden in the spring. Often it nothing more than vandalism as they don't seem to know what's edible and what isn't. Pigeons are more like clowns. When you see the way they walk, you almost feel sorry for them. Its almost like they need corrective shoes and rehabilitation. When you see what a mess they make roosting in large numbers, 'clown' isn't what comes to mind -- more like 'guano machines'. My daughter was mightily amused the other day by a sticker which suggested that 'Pigeons shouldn't eat chili.' And speaking of chili, this Sunday is the Annual Great Lakes Regional Chili Cook-off downtown in Plymouth: http://www.plymouth48170.com/events/CCO/CCO.asp Anyway, back to insulting birds. While we're at it we should pick a derogatory name for the widely introduced Canada geese that are pooping all over the parks these days. (In SE MI they've increased more than 50 times in numbers since the late 70s. It's a man-made problem as they were enthusiastically released all over the place for years.) -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
One redeeming trait--I've observed them eating Japanese beetles off of my
canna plants. Not to excuse their other bad habits, but I am grateful for small favors. Sue -- www.suereno.com http://www.art2mail.com "Rats with wings" would definitely be a good definition for starlings. They are vulgar bullies with no redeeming value. There should be a bounty on killing the pests. I agree...young starlings cause a lot of damage in my vegetable garden in the spring. Often it nothing more than vandalism as they don't seem to know what's edible and what isn't. |
"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... While we're at it we should pick a derogatory name for the widely introduced Canada geese that are pooping all over the parks these days. (In SE MI they've increased more than 50 times in numbers since the late 70s. It's a man-made problem as they were enthusiastically released all over the place for years.) Flying dogs? Tree rats = squirrels Lawn rats = rabbits forest rats = deer suburban rats = ground hogs neighborhood rats = kids rug rats = little kids stinking rats = skunks |
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Shirley Hicks wrote: "A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment." - Garrison Keillor Liberalism is not a political orientation, it is a mental disorder. |
Portnoy complains off-topic too much.
William, why don't you use your real name: "Dick Head"? "William" wrote in message ... Shirley Hicks wrote: "A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment." - Garrison Keillor Liberalism is not a political orientation, it is a mental disorder. |
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:20:54 -0400, William
wrote: Shirley Hicks wrote: "A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment." - Garrison Keillor Liberalism is not a political orientation, it is a mental disorder. Come across the pond to the north half of the continent, m'dear, we're all crazy. :) Shirley Hicks TB "A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment." - Garrison Keillor |
Shirley Hicks said:
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 04:59:53 -0500, (Pat Kiewicz) wrote: While we're at it we should pick a derogatory name for the widely introduced Canada geese that are pooping all over the parks these days. Dinner. Suits me! They have a special hunting season here for the local non-migrating introduced geese. And get some swans. They compete territorially with the gueese, and will chase them away. I know. I am thoroughly shocked that anyone would ever harass swans, but it has happened locally. They chase off the geese and jet skiers. What's not to love?? Shirley Hicks, in Toronto, overlooking a Humber River marsh where the swans have done just that. The flock moved up to the park up river, and onto the local apartment buiding roofs. Now have to kick gueese out of the way when running in the 'hood. My daughter wrote a very good poem for her lit class about the geese that infest and crap all over her high school campus... -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Liberals, when confronted with the truth, resort to the only thing they
know.....name-calling. Cereus-validus wrote: Portnoy complains off-topic too much. William, why don't you use your real name: "Dick Head"? "William" wrote in message ... Shirley Hicks wrote: "A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment." - Garrison Keillor Liberalism is not a political orientation, it is a mental disorder. |
William wrote in news:4165B577.4010207
@bluelight.co.uk: Liberals, when confronted with the truth, resort to the only thing they know.....name-calling. Liberals when confronted with anti-liberal fabrications, respond with the only thing anti-liberals understand.....name-calling, turnip-brain. |
I vote grackles - they bully everything.
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:12:34 GMT, "Cereus-validus" wrote: "Rats with wings" would definitely be a good definition for starlings. They are vulgar bullies with no redeeming value. There should be a bounty on killing the pests. Pigeons are more like clowns. When you see the way they walk, you almost feel sorry for them. Its almost like they need corrective shoes and rehabilitation. *************************** Bats most definitely are not "rats with wings" despite their German name, they aren't even rodents. "Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... dps said: Cereus-validus wrote: Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!! Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!! Rats with wings. Crows and jays may be a bit thuggish, but don't qualify as rats. Native, intelligent, and classy in a way. 'Rats with wings' can only be starlings or pigeons. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Fascist conservatives, when confronted with the truth, resort to the only
thing they know.....violence and declaring war on any convenient target. I would find harmless name-calling to be much more preferable!!! You are no doubt still an idiot dick head on a two inch shaft and a premature ejaculator!!! "William" wrote in message ... Liberals, when confronted with the truth, resort to the only thing they know.....name-calling. Cereus-validus wrote: Portnoy complains off-topic too much. William, why don't you use your real name: "Dick Head"? "William" wrote in message ... Shirley Hicks wrote: "A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment." - Garrison Keillor Liberalism is not a political orientation, it is a mental disorder. |
fran said:
I vote grackles - they bully everything. They are native birds, fun to watch interact with each other, and they go after the (stupidly introduced) house sparrows. Not the intellectuals crows and jays are, but grackles are still OK in my book. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
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"William" wrote:
Liberalism is not a political orientation, it is a mental disorder. Liberals, when confronted with the truth, resort to the only thing they know.....name-calling. NOTE: Where there is choice, there is responsibility. If you desire to select from a set of choices, you are exercising your liberties. It is your duty to select your choices responsibly. You are a liberal if you can identify a brain disorder. That is a choice. By exercising your liberties to choose, you are a liberal. If there are liberals what do you call a person that is not a liberal? The answer is DEAD. That person cannot make any choices. Welcome to the world of brain disorders. Name calling is a choice. I won't say that it is a responsible choice. Being bothered by being called a name is a choice as well. I can't say that is a responsible manner in which to deal with name calling either. Ancient wisdom speaking!!! Enjoy responsibly!!! -- Jim Carlock Post replies to the newsgroup. |
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