This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else.

A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of
the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on
the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass
and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch.

When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75%
decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it
in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is
it?

http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html

TIA

--
Warren H.

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employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
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to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html

Run for your life!!!

Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!!


"Warren" wrote in message
news:Zxk7d.53942$He1.16514@attbi_s01...
This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else.

A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of
the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on
the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass
and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch.

When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75%
decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it
in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is
it?

http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html

TIA

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html

In article ,
"Cereus-validus" wrote:

Run for your life!!!

Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!!

Are you SURE that that is not a triffid??!!!

"Warren" wrote in message
news:Zxk7d.53942$He1.16514@attbi_s01...
This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else.

A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of
the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on
the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass
and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch.

When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75%
decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it
in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is
it?

http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html

TIA

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html

Cereus-validus wrote:
Run for your life!!!

Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!!

Damn. I knew it was something unusual, and to be feared.

Are you sure? Shouldn't the bloom face east, not due west? And the spot
it is growing in hasn't been dug since early April. Could it have taken
root after being deposited on top of an inch or two of bark mulch? Or
would it be so late in the season if it was under the mulch?

It just doesn't seem like a sunflower would be coming up so late in the
season, and facing the wrong direction. Of course I haven't purposely
grown them, and the ones that sprout around the bird feeder that sprout
(and few actually do), bloomed two months ago, faced east or south, and
were much smaller.

But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to
have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the
guilty party is.

--
Warren H.

==========
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employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html

"Warren" expounded:

Are you sure? Shouldn't the bloom face east, not due west? And the spot
it is growing in hasn't been dug since early April. Could it have taken
root after being deposited on top of an inch or two of bark mulch? Or
would it be so late in the season if it was under the mulch?

I had sunflowers starting up in mid-July. Yes, that's what it is, and
the bloom, when it opens, will follow the sun. Enjoy the gift! )
--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:02:09 GMT, "Warren"
wrote:


But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to
have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the
guilty party is.

Around here, it would be the Jays.

damn I love this guy!
maddie

--
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." Chief Seattle
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
Run for your life!!!

Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!!


"Warren" wrote in message
news:Zxk7d.53942$He1.16514@attbi_s01...
This spring I planted a bed of lilies. Nothing else.

A year and a half ago, the spot that they're on was trying to be part of
the lawn, but was failing. It was mostly dandelions. I used Round-up on
the weeds, and a week later after they withered, I scalped all the grass
and weeds, covered with newspaper, and a good 3" of bark mulch.

When I dug the area up for the lilies, the newspaper was about 75%
decomposed, but the soil was clay. I added some compost, and tilled it
in. I suspect that my interloper seed was in the compost. But what is
it?

http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html

TIA

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Blatant Plug: Efficiently gather leaves from your lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blac...r/blowers.html

"madgardener" wrote in message
...

Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." Chief Seattle

damn I love this guy!
maddie

He thinks good Karma.

In article , "StanB"
wrote:

"madgardener" wrote in message
...

Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." Chief Seattle

damn I love this guy!
maddie

He thinks good Karma.

It's only too bad Si'alh (Chief Sealth) never gave that speech, which was
a romantic invention concocted by screenwriter Ted Perry, who had looked
up Chief Sealth's speech & assessed it as "simply not very inspiring or
significant" so made one up he liked better, for the 1972 telefilm "Home,"
which was somewhat hippy oriented, & aimed at ecology-minded christian
whites & completely unconcerned with Native Americans.

The fake speech includes such moronic impositions as "I have seen a
thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot
them from a passing train" when Chief Sealth's stomping grounds were the
east & west side of Puget Sound, & he neither saw prairies of dead
buffalos nor pretended he had, nor in 1854 could he have seen a train; nor
did Sealth know the "web of life" myth which is Greek, though had that
been the only absurdity it could've been chalked up to a translator's
imposition, though in fact it is just Ted Perry writing from a white
cultural basis. Every line of the fake speech is either historically
ridiculously, or portrays Chief Sealth as some kind of Saint Frances idiot
savant, if not merely a third-rate poet suited to one more bad song from
Paint Your Wagon, "I talk to the trees." This fake speech insults
Northwest native peoples, who've tried to no avail to squelch this fake,
but most whites want no part of the real deal, because history is painful
but Popular Romance is a feel-good Par-Tay.

What is preserved of his actual speech can be read he
http://courses.washington.edu/spcmu/...hiefsealth.htm
It was imperfectly recorded, & he gave his speech in Salish, so the speech
as we have it is a witnesse's after-the-fact reconstruction from notes
taken through a translator. Some historians have complained that even this
"authentic" speech is poorly attested, but it has enough actual
touchstones to the 1850s that it can probably be accepted as being as
close as we'll ever have to hearing Sealth's oratorial strength. It is
horrifying that white america prefers its own modern version which has
been turned into t-shirts, environmentalist posters, greeting cards,
persistantly misattributed for the three decades since it was written,
while Sealth's actual words of peace & sorrow receed from public
knowledge. Why is that awful Ashleigh Brilliant-style fake speech is so
well known, loved, & persistantly quoted, but the disturbingly beautiful
original is not:

"At night, when the streets of your cities & villages shall be silent &
you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that
once filled & still love this beautiful land. The white man will never be
alone. Let him be just & deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not
altogether powerless."

Even this moving statement is altered by white interpolations, an
anonymous christian editor adding to a later, revised version the
ridiculous afterthought "Dead did I say? There is no death, only a change
of worlds," completely reversing Sealth's persistant "comparisons" of
conqureror vs native beliefs; one of Sealth's beliefs was that the spirits
of the dead linger in THIS world, not some distant paradise, & this
difference of belief was signal to his 1854 explanation of why these two
cultures had such turmoil between them.

The actual speech speaks to real injustices & inevitabilities & is very
moving in its historical context, permitting a glimpse of a good man who
lived through a challenging time of sorry changes for his people, & still
hoped room might be preserved for his people. The fake speech plays more
generically into a broad liberal white guilt & the exact same kind of
(ultimately racist) Romanticism of the Noble Savage that caused
photographer Edward Curtis to make up his own Indian costumes & require
Indians to wear them before he would photograph them, having absolutely no
interest in their actual lives. The fake speech is a nice paean for the
Sierra Club; the real speech is an unembittered plea for peaceful
co-exsistance with conquerors who had been killing off Sealth's relatives
for several years, for he knew his people could not survive through
rebellion.

When he graciously accepts the offer of reservation life because his
people "are no longer in need of a great country" there is a bit of a
backhanded compliment imbedded in there; when he accepts the alleged
"friendship" of the Great White Father back east (who he thought was still
Geroge Washington), he says how generous this offer is friendship must be
since the Great White Father has so "little need of our friendship." These
are such obviously veiled criticisms of further injustice he is about to
cave in to in order that some of his people might survive, even if only as
"broken bands" grieving over their peoples' burial places. Understanding
Sealth's position gives beauty & weight to his words, but the fake speech
is suited primarily to quotation in Hallmark Cards or as captions in
National Park picture books & tourist pamphlets.

As a great man of peace, Sealth deserves far better than forever to be
quoted for things he never said, that had nothing to do with his life &
the storm he had to bring his people through. His words were prophetic, &
concern the ecology insofar as he saw that not only his people, but also
the very land, were decaying beneath the tread of white conquest, a
madness he blamed on whites' belief that the dead go away to a far
paradise, whereas his own ancestors dwelt in the wild places that were
already in Sealth's day being decimated, the whites permitting nowhere on
earth "dedicated to solitude."

Sealth was liked by whites because he was always placating whites & joined
no rebellions. He was nevertheless brave to give the actual speech he
gave, considering how Quiemuth was stabbed to death in Governor Stevens'
office for attempting peacefully to turn himself over to conquerors, &
when Chief Leschi sued for peaceful negotiations, he was summarily hung
for an invented crime, in a public display of white barbarity the purpose
of which would today be called pure terrorism in both its intent & its
effect. The only good that can be said of white response at that time is
that the white soldiers at Ft Steilacom so respected Leschi as a just
warrior, & knowing that he was not guilty of the crime alleged, would not
permit the territorial governor to have Leschi hanged in the fort,
blocking the gallows to being placed there. It was otherwise an
unitertupted legacy of conquerors' merciless cruelty that Sealth stood
before, accepting humiliation while begging for co-existence, NOT for an
Arbor Day celebration or donations to the Audobon Society.

Visit Chief Sealth's own tribe on the web:
http://www.suquamish.nsn.us/

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

"madgardener" expounded:

Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." Chief Seattle

Mad, I have no idea where some people get their spelling, but here's a
good link explaining the Chief Seattle stuff. I'll refrain from my
own editorializing. http://www.kyphilom.com/www/seattle.html

I love the sentiment, I don't care who wrote it. It is the way we
should all live our lives.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

Warren said:

Cereus-validus wrote:
Run for your life!!!

Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!!

Damn. I knew it was something unusual, and to be feared.

snip

But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to
have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the
guilty party is.

I'm going to finger the jays. Notorious for caching sunflower seeds
around the yard.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!!

Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!!


"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message
...
Warren said:

Cereus-validus wrote:
Run for your life!!!

Its a sunflower, Helianthus annuus!!!!

Damn. I knew it was something unusual, and to be feared.

snip

But if that's the verdict, then that's the verdict. And I'm going to
have to round-up the neighborhood fowl and fauna to find out who the
guilty party is.

I'm going to finger the jays. Notorious for caching sunflower seeds
around the yard.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

Cereus-validus said:

Finger the jays? How kinky?!!!!

Blue Jays are little more than Crows in fancy suits!!!!!

Don't make me send my pal Vinnie Boombatz after you!

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

But what is
it?

http://www.holzemville.com/1/what_is_it.html

TIA


I suck at these ID things but looks like a sunflower to me )
Colleen
Zone 5 CT

Warren wrote:
...Shouldn't the bloom face east, not due west?...



I plant sunflowers for sale as cut flowers. about 95% of them face
east-southeast. They do not follow the sun. The ones I plant are the
fancy hybrid pollenless varieties, but the volunteers that spring up
from the neighbors' birdseed do the same thing (There are fewer of them,
so the statistics are less reliable).