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Snails, Slugs, Hedgehogs etc.
Hi,
Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this N.G. Could someone please advise if hedgehogs should be encouraged or discouraged in the garden. Also what is the role of the snail and slug ? Thank you in anticipation, Happppppppppppppppy Everythings, LenBo, Weston-SUPER-Mare |
We don't have hedgehogs where I am (that I know of) in Houston but I believe
they eat bugs mostly. Not sure if they eat plants or not. The only role that I know of for the slug or snail is to munch on the plants and buds you most like. Sluggo is a good remedy for them, although it may take more than one treatment. Sluggo is also pet friendly. Personally I would leave the hedgehog alone and kill off the slugs and snails. Unless I heard right and hedgehogs eat those too. Shell "St. George" St. wrote in message ... Hi, Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this N.G. Could someone please advise if hedgehogs should be encouraged or discouraged in the garden. Also what is the role of the snail and slug ? Thank you in anticipation, Happppppppppppppppy Everythings, LenBo, Weston-SUPER-Mare --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 9/14/2004 |
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Mannnnnnny thanks for your interesting and prompt response.
Thanks a bunch. However would prefer not to use pellets as I would not wish anything similar to happen to me. Remember the old West Country (English) saying:- Take care of yourselves, and take care of each other. Happppppy Everythings, LenBo "St. George" St. wrote in message ... Hi, Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this N.G. Could someone please advise if hedgehogs should be encouraged or discouraged in the garden. Also what is the role of the snail and slug ? Thank you in anticipation, Happppppppppppppppy Everythings, LenBo, Weston-SUPER-Mare |
St George wrote ".......Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this
N.G. .........." Which one? You are multiple posting. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman"
wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:05:27 GMT, Shell wrote:
The only role that I know of for the slug or snail is to munch on the plants and buds you most like And all the stuff in the compost heap too. Which is good. They also attract other wildlife - like hedgehogs - which also eat other "baddies". -- Tim C. |
paghat wrote:
In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. Whatever turns you on. |
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"Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Ray |
In article , "Ray Drouillard"
wrote: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Ray Recipe for Slug Fritters: http://bertc.com/slug_fritters.htm There's actually a cookbook called BEST WASHINGTON SLUG RECIPES (1983) but it's out of print, alas. And of course slugs go good with worms: http://www.naturewatch.ca/english/wo...l/recipes.html http://bertc.com/natural.htm -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
Hedgehogs do eat snails and slugs then? I wasn't sure. I think I need
several in my back yard. Shell "Tim Challenger" wrote in message news:1097216153.Ph8+07aAfr/eaSgOetYw2w@teranews... On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:05:27 GMT, Shell wrote: The only role that I know of for the slug or snail is to munch on the plants and buds you most like And all the stuff in the compost heap too. Which is good. They also attract other wildlife - like hedgehogs - which also eat other "baddies". -- Tim C. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 9/13/2004 |
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard"
opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel Saddam is gone. Ceterum, censeo Arafat esse delendam. |
"Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. Ray |
Hedgehogs should be encouraged as they are the gardeners friend, they eat
bugs etc. Snails and slugs I am not so sure of. We encourage and feed hedgehogs, the same as lace wings they do a lot of good in the garden and as much as possible we plant herbs and flowers such as marigolds that discourage insects rather then using insecticides. Enjoy your garden and the wild life that goes with it. pam "St. George" St. wrote in message ... Hi, Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this N.G. Could someone please advise if hedgehogs should be encouraged or discouraged in the garden. Also what is the role of the snail and slug ? Thank you in anticipation, Happppppppppppppppy Everythings, LenBo, Weston-SUPER-Mare |
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"Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz |
"Pam Croxton" wrote in message ... Hedgehogs should be encouraged as they are the gardeners friend, they eat bugs etc. Snails and slugs I am not so sure of. We encourage and feed hedgehogs, How do you do that? [snip] Franz |
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its belly...") -- Chris Green |
"Christopher Green" wrote in message ... On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its belly...") But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz |
In article , "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz "Unclean" is a religious reference, describing somethjing banned from diet. Slugs & snails & indeed all shellfesh can never be kosher. Any Jew who would eat a shrimp, lobster, crabs, oysters, or clams should be equally willing to eat slugs & snails, but none of it would be kosher. Levitical dietary laws are not health laws but are laid down to draw cultic distinctions. You could even take kosher cheese & kosher hamburger but if you made a cheeseburger out of it it would not be kosher, as it has nothing to do with health & everything to do with cultic restrictioins that define a community. Shellfish were associated with the cult of Asherah Who Walks the Sea, whose son, Baal, was led by a homosexual priesthood. Midrash says worshippers of Baal-Peor had anal sex in the high place groves of Asherah. Eating shellfish seems to have been identified with cultically impure sex acts such as homosexuality; & I've wondered whether the belief that eating oysters causes men to have better erections is derived from some ancient religious belief among worshippers of Atargatis/Asherah or Baal/Dagon. Scripture notes that Naamah the Amonitess supported just such a homosexual Baal cult in Jerusalem, & Leviticus calls homosexuality (within the priesthood) an "abomination" (the Hebrew word would be more correctly translated "cultic impurity"), just as it calls eating shellfish an "abomination" (but that's a different word better translated "detestible," a detestible thing being an idol or a bivalve; the chaos goddess Tiamat was a bivalve). "Anything that crawls on its belly" cannot be kosher, & Baal priests laid on their bellies to receive anal offerings to Baal-Peor. Thus an amusing stretch of parallel meaning, Queers & Molluscs & Shrimps can all be regarded as appalling before God -- see the amusing God Hates Shrimp webpage -- http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/ Bigotted homophobes like to point out that the "abomination" of homosexuality is punishable by death but Levitical law only makes it punishable by death if it is conducted in the context of worship of rival divinities, or if such acts are committed by the priestly caste. "Touch not my anointed" [1 Chr 16:22; Ps 105:15] is a prohibition against Yahweh's priesthood being involved in all manner of sacred rites of a sexual nature that were otherwise acceptable practices outside the priesthood. A woman of the Levites who committed harlotries would likewise be killed, but a woman like Tamar could commit harlotries & afterward be purified. So too, regarding homosexuality, it was impure, but could afterward be cleansed, so long as it does not involve the annointed priesthood or idolatrous worship. "He that toucheth the flesh of him that ejaculates" must afterward purify himself, & will remain unclean until evening [Lv 15:7]; that is the PRIMARY levitical law regarding homosexuality, it causes a rather brief period of cultic impurity requiring a cleansing ritual; which is why the love affair between Jonathan & David can be presented as neato rather than dooming David to execution, as David was not a Levite but was part Moabite (a famously queer nation), & Jonathan was a Benjaminite such as caused such a terrible stir when they wanted to butt**** a Levite priest who being a Levite was unable to submit, so gave his concubine to the Benjaminites who were so insulted by the replacement that they ****ed her to death. Had it only been David instead of a Levite, he could've presented his bum without it insulting God, & indeed he was Saul's catamite before he was Jonathan's lover. There is also a Law that prohibits the "earnings" of a zonah of kelebite (secular whore or trick-turning faggot) from being made as offerings to God [Dt 23:18]. Harlots & Kelebites (sodomists) were not otherwise prohibited from worshipping Adonai or from making offerings other than those gained from a practice associated with other divinities or with secular prostitution. Bigots selectively enjoy the illusory commandment to kill fags, while overlooking the commandment to kill sassing children. The Mishnaic sages, knowing such an evil as capitol punishment could not possibly be inherent to Torah or part of God's will, came up with interpretations of scripture that banned capitol punishment altogether, though 2,000 years later Christians still haven't figured out that God does not applaud capitol punishment even for more convincing reasons than homophobes killing queers. But even preserving the idea that God likes us to kill each other & wants us to keep slaves & execute sassing children & faggots, Mosaic law does not punish or prohibit homosexual acts except for the priesthood & except when committed to honor a rival god. As a secular act between men, homosexuality causes bodily impurity that lasts until sundown, & is an impurity roughly equivalent to eating unkosher food. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Christopher Green" wrote in message ... On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its belly...") But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz They are not outdated to the Jews.. Ray Drouillard |
"Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Christopher Green" wrote in message ... On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its belly...") But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz They are not outdated to the Jews.. I did not say they were. The poster did not mention that they were unclean *as far as Jews were concerned*. He made it sound much more general. Franz |
"paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz "Unclean" is a religious reference, describing somethjing banned from diet. Slugs & snails & indeed all shellfesh can never be kosher. Any Jew who would eat a shrimp, lobster, crabs, oysters, or clams should be equally willing to eat slugs & snails, but none of it would be kosher. Levitical dietary laws are not health laws but are laid down to draw cultic distinctions. You could even take kosher cheese & kosher hamburger but if you made a cheeseburger out of it it would not be kosher, as it has nothing to do with health & everything to do with cultic restrictioins that define a community. Shellfish were associated with the cult of Asherah Who Walks the Sea, whose son, Baal, was led by a homosexual priesthood. Midrash says worshippers of Baal-Peor had anal sex in the high place groves of Asherah. Eating shellfish seems to have been identified with cultically impure sex acts such as homosexuality; & I've wondered whether the belief that eating oysters causes men to have better erections is derived from some ancient religious belief among worshippers of Atargatis/Asherah or Baal/Dagon. Scripture notes that Naamah the Amonitess supported just such a homosexual Baal cult in Jerusalem, & Leviticus calls homosexuality (within the priesthood) an "abomination" (the Hebrew word would be more correctly translated "cultic impurity"), just as it calls eating shellfish an "abomination" (but that's a different word better translated "detestible," a detestible thing being an idol or a bivalve; the chaos goddess Tiamat was a bivalve). "Anything that crawls on its belly" cannot be kosher, & Baal priests laid on their bellies to receive anal offerings to Baal-Peor. Thus an amusing stretch of parallel meaning, Queers & Molluscs & Shrimps can all be regarded as appalling before God -- see the amusing God Hates Shrimp webpage -- http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/ Bigotted homophobes like to point out that the "abomination" of homosexuality is punishable by death but Levitical law only makes it punishable by death if it is conducted in the context of worship of rival divinities, or if such acts are committed by the priestly caste. "Touch not my anointed" [1 Chr 16:22; Ps 105:15] is a prohibition against Yahweh's priesthood being involved in all manner of sacred rites of a sexual nature that were otherwise acceptable practices outside the priesthood. A woman of the Levites who committed harlotries would likewise be killed, but a woman like Tamar could commit harlotries & afterward be purified. So too, regarding homosexuality, it was impure, but could afterward be cleansed, so long as it does not involve the annointed priesthood or idolatrous worship. "He that toucheth the flesh of him that ejaculates" must afterward purify himself, & will remain unclean until evening [Lv 15:7]; that is the PRIMARY levitical law regarding homosexuality, it causes a rather brief period of cultic impurity requiring a cleansing ritual; which is why the love affair between Jonathan & David can be presented as neato rather than dooming David to execution, as David was not a Levite but was part Moabite (a famously queer nation), & Jonathan was a Benjaminite such as caused such a terrible stir when they wanted to butt**** a Levite priest who being a Levite was unable to submit, so gave his concubine to the Benjaminites who were so insulted by the replacement that they ****ed her to death. Had it only been David instead of a Levite, he could've presented his bum without it insulting God, & indeed he was Saul's catamite before he was Jonathan's lover. There is also a Law that prohibits the "earnings" of a zonah of kelebite (secular whore or trick-turning faggot) from being made as offerings to God [Dt 23:18]. Harlots & Kelebites (sodomists) were not otherwise prohibited from worshipping Adonai or from making offerings other than those gained from a practice associated with other divinities or with secular prostitution. Bigots selectively enjoy the illusory commandment to kill fags, while overlooking the commandment to kill sassing children. The Mishnaic sages, knowing such an evil as capitol punishment could not possibly be inherent to Torah or part of God's will, came up with interpretations of scripture that banned capitol punishment altogether, though 2,000 years later Christians still haven't figured out that God does not applaud capitol punishment even for more convincing reasons than homophobes killing queers. But even preserving the idea that God likes us to kill each other & wants us to keep slaves & execute sassing children & faggots, Mosaic law does not punish or prohibit homosexual acts except for the priesthood & except when committed to honor a rival god. As a secular act between men, homosexuality causes bodily impurity that lasts until sundown, & is an impurity roughly equivalent to eating unkosher food. -paghat the ratgirl I found that so very interesting that I decided to leave it uncut in my reply. Coals of fire will no doubt be heaped on mr for committing this sin. Franz |
Franz Heymann wrote:
"Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message [...] But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz They are not outdated to the Jews.. I did not say they were. The poster did not mention that they were unclean *as far as Jews were concerned*. He made it sound much more general. I remember a boss saying of a (highly-esteemed, I should say) colleague "For somebody who can't work on Friday evenings, he eats an awful lot of sausages." A Jewish girlfriend whose sister suddenly started keeping Kosher and everything referred to the unexpected transformation as "going Catholic". Mike. |
paghat wrote:
[...] "Unclean" [...etc...] We did actually know that: I think you've mistaken us for one of those dimwit crossposting newsgroups. Be discerning, and don't be misled by some of the headers the freaks add this group to. |
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:42:48 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Christopher Green" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its belly...") But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz That is why I wrote "to observant Jews". -- Chris Green |
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... paghat wrote: [...] "Unclean" [...etc...] We did actually know that: I think you've mistaken us for one of those dimwit crossposting newsgroups. Be discerning, and don't be misled by some of the headers the freaks add this group to. [rolls eyes] I make a flippant remark about slugs being unclean, and end up reading part of a long diatribe that seems to have little point. Ray Drouillard |
Hey Guys,
This started out as for advice on the plus or minus of slugs and snails !!!!!! Happppppy Everythings, LenBo, the originator of this string "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz "Unclean" is a religious reference, describing somethjing banned from diet. Slugs & snails & indeed all shellfesh can never be kosher. Any Jew who would eat a shrimp, lobster, crabs, oysters, or clams should be equally willing to eat slugs & snails, but none of it would be kosher. Levitical dietary laws are not health laws but are laid down to draw cultic distinctions. You could even take kosher cheese & kosher hamburger but if you made a cheeseburger out of it it would not be kosher, as it has nothing to do with health & everything to do with cultic restrictioins that define a community. Shellfish were associated with the cult of Asherah Who Walks the Sea, whose son, Baal, was led by a homosexual priesthood. Midrash says worshippers of Baal-Peor had anal sex in the high place groves of Asherah. Eating shellfish seems to have been identified with cultically impure sex acts such as homosexuality; & I've wondered whether the belief that eating oysters causes men to have better erections is derived from some ancient religious belief among worshippers of Atargatis/Asherah or Baal/Dagon. Scripture notes that Naamah the Amonitess supported just such a homosexual Baal cult in Jerusalem, & Leviticus calls homosexuality (within the priesthood) an "abomination" (the Hebrew word would be more correctly translated "cultic impurity"), just as it calls eating shellfish an "abomination" (but that's a different word better translated "detestible," a detestible thing being an idol or a bivalve; the chaos goddess Tiamat was a bivalve). "Anything that crawls on its belly" cannot be kosher, & Baal priests laid on their bellies to receive anal offerings to Baal-Peor. Thus an amusing stretch of parallel meaning, Queers & Molluscs & Shrimps can all be regarded as appalling before God -- see the amusing God Hates Shrimp webpage -- http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/ Bigotted homophobes like to point out that the "abomination" of homosexuality is punishable by death but Levitical law only makes it punishable by death if it is conducted in the context of worship of rival divinities, or if such acts are committed by the priestly caste. "Touch not my anointed" [1 Chr 16:22; Ps 105:15] is a prohibition against Yahweh's priesthood being involved in all manner of sacred rites of a sexual nature that were otherwise acceptable practices outside the priesthood. A woman of the Levites who committed harlotries would likewise be killed, but a woman like Tamar could commit harlotries & afterward be purified. So too, regarding homosexuality, it was impure, but could afterward be cleansed, so long as it does not involve the annointed priesthood or idolatrous worship. "He that toucheth the flesh of him that ejaculates" must afterward purify himself, & will remain unclean until evening [Lv 15:7]; that is the PRIMARY levitical law regarding homosexuality, it causes a rather brief period of cultic impurity requiring a cleansing ritual; which is why the love affair between Jonathan & David can be presented as neato rather than dooming David to execution, as David was not a Levite but was part Moabite (a famously queer nation), & Jonathan was a Benjaminite such as caused such a terrible stir when they wanted to butt**** a Levite priest who being a Levite was unable to submit, so gave his concubine to the Benjaminites who were so insulted by the replacement that they ****ed her to death. Had it only been David instead of a Levite, he could've presented his bum without it insulting God, & indeed he was Saul's catamite before he was Jonathan's lover. There is also a Law that prohibits the "earnings" of a zonah of kelebite (secular whore or trick-turning faggot) from being made as offerings to God [Dt 23:18]. Harlots & Kelebites (sodomists) were not otherwise prohibited from worshipping Adonai or from making offerings other than those gained from a practice associated with other divinities or with secular prostitution. Bigots selectively enjoy the illusory commandment to kill fags, while overlooking the commandment to kill sassing children. The Mishnaic sages, knowing such an evil as capitol punishment could not possibly be inherent to Torah or part of God's will, came up with interpretations of scripture that banned capitol punishment altogether, though 2,000 years later Christians still haven't figured out that God does not applaud capitol punishment even for more convincing reasons than homophobes killing queers. But even preserving the idea that God likes us to kill each other & wants us to keep slaves & execute sassing children & faggots, Mosaic law does not punish or prohibit homosexual acts except for the priesthood & except when committed to honor a rival god. As a secular act between men, homosexuality causes bodily impurity that lasts until sundown, & is an impurity roughly equivalent to eating unkosher food. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
I make a flippant remark about slugs being unclean, and end up reading part of a long diatribe that seems to have little point. Ray Drouillard Ray, I am the originator of this string (what role does the snail and/or slug have in the garden) and am amazzzzzzzzzzzzzed at all the nonsense replies. Have a Good Day LenBo |
Dear Mr. David Hill,
Are you being pedantic and does it matter ? Do you have any input on the subject in question instead of acting like a silly five year old ? Happpppppppppppppppppy Everythings, LenBo. P.S. I am new to all three of the Newsgroups. "David Hill" wrote in message ... St George wrote ".......Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this N.G. .........." Which one? You are multiple posting. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Franz Heymann wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message [...] But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz They are not outdated to the Jews.. I did not say they were. The poster did not mention that they were unclean *as far as Jews were concerned*. He made it sound much more general. I remember a boss saying of a (highly-esteemed, I should say) colleague "For somebody who can't work on Friday evenings, he eats an awful lot of sausages." A Jewish girlfriend whose sister suddenly started keeping Kosher and everything referred to the unexpected transformation as "going Catholic". {:-)) Franz |
"Christopher Green" wrote in message ... On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:42:48 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Christopher Green" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Ray Drouillard" wrote in message ... "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-dZ8d2UFWwjFE@poblano... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard" opined: "Stan Goodman" wrote in message news:uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-xGzwb8So2ZUw@poblano... On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC, (paghat) opined: In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan Goodman" wrote: A slug is a naked snail. Ha-cha-cha-cha. That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the two is the shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in rec.gardens.EDIBLE is a question I can't answer. Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden. Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself. Sorry. Snails are unclean. What does "unclean" mean? If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal. Franz Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its belly...") But most of the world do not follow the outdated Mosaic laws. Franz That is why I wrote "to observant Jews". Indeed, After I had commented originally. Franz |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:08:59 GMT, "Charles Newton"
wrote: Botton line is snails and slugs are good for nothing except bird food. But you do have entertainment value.... |
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "St. George" St. wrote in message ... I make a flippant remark about slugs being unclean, and end up reading part of a long diatribe that seems to have little point. Ray Drouillard Ray, I am the originator of this string (what role does the snail and/or slug have in the garden) and am amazzzzzzzzzzzzzed at all the nonsense replies. Have a Good Day Are you really so unfamiliar with the phenomenon of thread drift? Franz The answer my Dear Franz is - YES. I am very active on the Rugby Newsgroups. However I find this drift absolute childish nonsense. Have a good day - with a slug or two. Happpppppppppy Everythings, LenBo |
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