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Top cut on dogwood.
Since I am going to do it anyway, and have already trimmed the branches,
would someone tell me if I should make an angle cut or a straight cut and should i tar it when reducing height by about 1/3 with a topping cut of the main trunk on a dogwood. Or does it make any difference. (I already realize that I will attract tornadoes, lightning strikes, earthquakes and kill every living thing within a hundred yard radius of the tree and will probably set up a domino effect of infestations that will blight the entire Eastern seaboard.) Thank you for non-scolding answers, FACE sarcastic? me? ;-)) |
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dont try to seal cuts on trees. I am truly surprised a dogwood would need heading
back since they dont grow all that tall. Ingrid FACE wrote: Since I am going to do it anyway, and have already trimmed the branches, would someone tell me if I should make an angle cut or a straight cut and should i tar it when reducing height by about 1/3 with a topping cut of the main trunk on a dogwood. Or does it make any difference. (I already realize that I will attract tornadoes, lightning strikes, earthquakes and kill every living thing within a hundred yard radius of the tree and will probably set up a domino effect of infestations that will blight the entire Eastern seaboard.) Thank you for non-scolding answers, FACE sarcastic? me? ;-)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Thanks for the answer and that is a valid question. A property i have had
for some years now had a dogwood planted near the house and walk which was just fine for them and for several years afterward but has now reached it's expected 25' and was in the utility lines coming into the house -- besides just being oversized for it's position. I never use a sealant for branch trimming but this morning i read that topcuts were particularly inviting to disease invasion since they rotted somewhat and so I thought that to tar it might be reasonable. Also, taking that info, i considered that a bluntish angle cut might be a better idea than a straight cut. The article gave no idea how to do top it, just that to do so was a really, really, bad thing. :-) As far as heighth, most of the standard southern dogwoods run to about 25 feet, with some cultivars like the Cherokee (?) being less. However, in a wooded area i have one over 40 feet tall with about a five inch trunk. It has been competing with pines to stay at the canopy top. It is losing. :-) As far as the subject tree, I have cut the branches over the last few weeks and have it in the shape that i want it, I still have not cut the 8 feet or so of the trunk though. FACE On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:00:00 GMT, in rec.gardens wrote: dont try to seal cuts on trees. I am truly surprised a dogwood would need heading back since they dont grow all that tall. Ingrid FACE wrote: Since I am going to do it anyway, and have already trimmed the branches, would someone tell me if I should make an angle cut or a straight cut and should i tar it when reducing height by about 1/3 with a topping cut of the main trunk on a dogwood. Or does it make any difference. (I already realize that I will attract tornadoes, lightning strikes, earthquakes and kill every living thing within a hundred yard radius of the tree and will probably set up a domino effect of infestations that will blight the entire Eastern seaboard.) Thank you for non-scolding answers, FACE sarcastic? me? ;-)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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FACE wrote in message . ..
I never use a sealant for branch trimming Just read this comment. Is branch sealant bad? And, if so, why? Patrick |
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If the tree is actually growing thru the lines and the electric company thinks it is
dangerous, then it is best to simply remove the tree. southern dogwoods are dying from anthracnose and having to cut one like that is going to make it an incubator for disease that will be better able to spread to the rest of the dogwoods. dogwoods are under story trees, they do best in hot climes under taller trees. Ingrid FACE wrote: Thanks for the answer and that is a valid question. A property i have had for some years now had a dogwood planted near the house and walk which was just fine for them and for several years afterward but has now reached it's expected 25' and was in the utility lines coming into the house -- besides just being oversized for it's position. I never use a sealant for branch trimming but this morning i read that topcuts were particularly inviting to disease invasion since they rotted somewhat and so I thought that to tar it might be reasonable. Also, taking that info, i considered that a bluntish angle cut might be a better idea than a straight cut. The article gave no idea how to do top it, just that to do so was a really, really, bad thing. :-) As far as heighth, most of the standard southern dogwoods run to about 25 feet, with some cultivars like the Cherokee (?) being less. However, in a wooded area i have one over 40 feet tall with about a five inch trunk. It has been competing with pines to stay at the canopy top. It is losing. :-) As far as the subject tree, I have cut the branches over the last few weeks and have it in the shape that i want it, I still have not cut the 8 feet or so of the trunk though. FACE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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"FACE" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:27:12 GMT, in rec.gardens wrote: The next nearest dogwood is at least 60 feet away and according to conversations with the county extension agent several years ago, diseases from the tree will not affect a tree that far away. This is just not true and I am surprised an extension agent would have the temerity to suggest it. Fungal diseases that affect dogwood, like anthracnose, are airborne. It doesn't make any difference how far away diseased trees are - as long as they are in the general vicinity - and 60' would certainly constitute that requirement - the spores will spread by wind and air movement and by birds. How else would these pathogens spread among native populations? As far as the pruning is concerned, prune if you must but be aware that dogwoods do not respond well to heavy pruning. If any disease IS present, the pruning can aggrevate it, plus dogwoods respond to pruning cuts by generating lots of suckering shoots at the cut. Not a nice look - very Medusa-like. Be sure not to leave any stubs - make clean cuts back to growth points or to the branch collar if larger limbs. Apply NO sealers - the tree will do a far better job of compartmentalizing and sealing the the cut than you can. pam - gardengal |
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It will make no real difference how you top third out of your (soon to be
moribund) dogwood tree. Hack away. -- Mike LaMana, MS, CTE Consulting Forester & Arborist Heartwood Consulting Services, LLC Toms River, NJ www.HeartwoodConsulting.net "FACE" wrote in message ... Since I am going to do it anyway, and have already trimmed the branches, would someone tell me if I should make an angle cut or a straight cut and should i tar it when reducing height by about 1/3 with a topping cut of the main trunk on a dogwood. Or does it make any difference. (I already realize that I will attract tornadoes, lightning strikes, earthquakes and kill every living thing within a hundred yard radius of the tree and will probably set up a domino effect of infestations that will blight the entire Eastern seaboard.) Thank you for non-scolding answers, FACE sarcastic? me? ;-)) |
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Just had to get that "soon to be moribund" in there didn't you.
Well, if it makes you feel better more power to you, you might try practicing replies that offer constructive advice in bad situations, but hey, that's just me. So now you can make your reply insulting me further for trying something that you do not have the guts to try. "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither suffer much nor enjoy much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:24:25 -0500, "Mike LaMana" fake@MikeatHeartwoodConsultingdotnet in rec.gardens wrote: It will make no real difference how you top third out of your (soon to be moribund) dogwood tree. Hack away. |
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My word...don't ruffle so easily FACE. You didn't say you HAD to do the
deed, you merely said you were GOING to do the deed. My constructive, professional advice is this: It does not matter what type of cut your going to do because it is my opinion and experience that, to within a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, the tree will be seriously and deleteriously effected by the pruning. Good luck. ML. -- Mike LaMana, MS, CTE Consulting Forester & Arborist Heartwood Consulting Services, LLC Toms River, NJ www.HeartwoodConsulting.net "FACE" wrote in message ... Just had to get that "soon to be moribund" in there didn't you. Well, if it makes you feel better more power to you, you might try practicing replies that offer constructive advice in bad situations, but hey, that's just me. So now you can make your reply insulting me further for trying something that you do not have the guts to try. "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither suffer much nor enjoy much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt |
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Your good professional advice really isnt required because this has been a bait and
switch on the part of the OP. All advice has been turned down or mocked as not scientific because he has obviously already decided what he was going to do and why. Ingrid "Mike LaMana" fake@MikeatHeartwoodConsultingdotnet wrote: My word...don't ruffle so easily FACE. You didn't say you HAD to do the deed, you merely said you were GOING to do the deed. My constructive, professional advice is this: It does not matter what type of cut your going to do because it is my opinion and experience that, to within a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, the tree will be seriously and deleteriously effected by the pruning. Good luck. ML. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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wrote:
Your good professional advice really isnt required because this has been a bait and switch on the part of the OP. All advice has been turned down or mocked as not scientific because he has obviously already decided what he was going to do and why. That should have been pretty obvious. The original post roughly translated to, "I'm going to do something unconventional, and I'd like someone to tell me that I'm not as dumb as my idea sounds." (His exact words we "Since I am going to do it anyway..."). Once they say that, it doesn't matter how many of the most respected people in the group say it's a bad idea, or how many excellent reasons they have for saying it's a bad idea, any post that doesn't essentially say, "Go ahead. Your on the right track" will be dismissed at best, but more likely ridiculed, and maybe even flamed. Too bad. A lot of good points were brought up in this thread. On the other hand, even if the OP didn't care for the advice he pretended to solicit, the discussion was still educational, and interesting to others. Nothing earth-shattering, but still good information. -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Blatant Plug: Do Your Holiday Shopping Online http://www.holzemville.com/mall/ |
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