Posting wrongfully in HTML instead of plain text and posting JPG's
 

Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of wrongfully
posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text newsgroup. I have to say
that I am not a selfish person, nor do I think that anything I do or say is
of importance. That I've managed to step on the feelings and attitudes so
very efficiently lately shows me that I need to back off and retreat.

I am NOT saying this to get responses for me "not to leave!" I am not
asking for such things. It's really hard for me to lurk and not respond to
things because I truely enjoy and need to visit and contribute to this
newsgroup. I've been here for over seven years, and despite that in the
past, so many enjoyed my postings about my fairy gardens and adventures
about the cats, dogs and such, I think that it has come time to pull out for
awhile.

I can't seem to get anything right lately,and that isn't meant as pity or
blame or excuse. My job at Lowes doesn't have any schedule that is
consistant, or enough hours to make it worth my time to drive not only
myself to work which is only 14 miles one way, but to take oldest son to
another Lowes which is 47 miles away, one way.

I have close shifts all this week, and then next week, as a wonderful thing,
I have ALTERNATE days off. work, off, work, off, work, off. This will make
me slightly mad (as in crazy). Bad enough I don't know sometimes if I'm
coming or going with this job. And I can't afford to just give notice and
get another job. I am still in an area where to quit a job that pays $7.80
an hour (despite not getting or being allowed to work more than 27 hours) is
foolish when the alternative is work at a job that still won't give me more
hours and pay me minimum wages.

Getting back to my rudeness and irresponsibility........I never meant to
cause deletion of posts. I still grieve over the loss and inability to
retrieve my previous posts from years past when I first came here. It's
just a feeling, and eventually I'll get over it.

But I will say that the people here (most of them, about 99%) have kept me
from major depression and given me a reason to not only continue gardening,
but to see the magic in every blossom and textured leaf and Nature around me
better. For what little bit it's worth (and I hate to admit my weakness), I
really DO care what people think or say about me, meaning I guess after 52
years I still have feelings despite years of verbal and emotional abuse.

Warren, Travis, Janet......I sincerely apologize for disrupting this
newsgroup. I had no idea how ****ed off or inconsiderate it was to not only
post in HTML or post a picture that I thought was awesome for me to capture
even for a novice like myself. You can be assured you will not see me here
for quite awhile and I will just visit some of the garden neighborhood
friends thru e-mail as I can.

As giving and generous and I have always been, to have been accused of being
selfish cuts pretty well. Despite just having to only correct the problem,
I think I need to back off for awhile and despite that this is my most
magical time of the year to share the gifts of my 9 raised beds, it's just
not right for me to assume anything anymore. Bad enough that newsgroups
are being dropped. I only go to one. This one. That's been it (with rare
exception to alt.bianaries.pictures.gardens, which like I said, I never get
to see pictures I see remarks about anyway and seems to be a waste of time,
and I've posted there a few times.)

So with great emotion, I'll walk away. I'll possibly be back before spring
is over. I probably rely too much on this computer and newsgroup anyway.
Time to get back outside in the soil and dirt and anything neat I want to
share, I'll just send thru e-mail if I get overcome by words.

Marilyn the madgardener, up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler, overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36

In article , "madgardener" wrote:

Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of wrongfully
posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text newsgroup. I have to say
that I am not a selfish person, nor do I think that anything I do or say is
of importance.

But it is.

That I've managed to step on the feelings and attitudes so
very efficiently lately shows me that I need to back off and retreat.

I didn't catch what someone said to you, but posting in html is one of
those things usually only beginners do & some people respond to it in a
kneejerk way, as "You retard, turn off your html!" It's just "I'm Annoyed
So I'll Be Annoying 101" & it has nothing really to do with you. The best
response is to turn off the accidentally on html feature & ignore the
complainant.

I am NOT saying this to get responses for me "not to leave!" I am not
asking for such things. It's really hard for me to lurk and not respond to
things because I truely enjoy and need to visit and contribute to this
newsgroup. I've been here for over seven years, and despite that in the
past, so many enjoyed my postings about my fairy gardens and adventures
about the cats, dogs and such, I think that it has come time to pull out for
awhile.

Your posts are important here but now & then you get your feelings hurt,
in some cases for no good reason. Somewhere between 95% & 99% of the
people who post in here look forward to your posts & if that's not
sufficient reward you're just being egomaniacal to demand 100%.

But I will say that the people here (most of them, about 99%) have kept me
from major depression and given me a reason to not only continue gardening,
but to see the magic in every blossom and textured leaf and Nature around me
better. For what little bit it's worth (and I hate to admit my weakness), I
really DO care what people think or say about me, meaning I guess after 52
years I still have feelings despite years of verbal and emotional abuse.

Warren, Travis, Janet......I sincerely apologize for disrupting this
newsgroup. I had no idea how ****ed off or inconsiderate it was to not only
post in HTML or post a picture that I thought was awesome for me to capture
even for a novice like myself. You can be assured you will not see me here
for quite awhile and I will just visit some of the garden neighborhood
friends thru e-mail as I can.

As giving and generous and I have always been, to have been accused of being
selfish cuts pretty well. Despite just having to only correct the problem,
I think I need to back off for awhile and despite that this is my most
magical time of the year to share the gifts of my 9 raised beds, it's just
not right for me to assume anything anymore. Bad enough that newsgroups
are being dropped. I only go to one. This one. That's been it (with rare
exception to alt.bianaries.pictures.gardens, which like I said, I never get
to see pictures I see remarks about anyway and seems to be a waste of time,
and I've posted there a few times.)

So with great emotion, I'll walk away. I'll possibly be back before spring
is over. I probably rely too much on this computer and newsgroup anyway.
Time to get back outside in the soil and dirt and anything neat I want to
share, I'll just send thru e-mail if I get overcome by words.

Marilyn the madgardener, up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler, overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36

My suspicion is you're just having a depression attack & it's not this
ng's fault, though if this ng doesn't help then it's your call whether its
sufficiently rewarding to keep poking in. Things of no consequence seem
big when one's general mood is gloomy. A week from now I bet you'll
realize that if someone said you're a selfish dork for of all things
posting in html, that's not even on the radar for reasons to feel misery
about UseNet. On the other hand, if there are things that need getting
done that don't get done because the computer has been too much fun,
anything you stop doing on the computer will likely be a good thing,
though I hope there are other things than this ng you can cut out.

-paghat the ratgirl
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paghat wrote:
In article , "madgardener" wrote:

My suspicion is you're just having a depression attack & it's not this
ng's fault, though if this ng doesn't help then it's your call whether its
sufficiently rewarding to keep poking in. Things of no consequence seem
big when one's general mood is gloomy.

I agree with paghat. Besides, almost everyday I peek in here to see what
your doing/saying. Everyone in this world makes boo boos. Just put on
yer foil hat, let the stuff bounce right off and you'll be fine. :)

Jean

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of
wrongfully
posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text newsgroup. I have to say
that I am not a selfish person, nor do I think that anything I do or say
is
of importance. That I've managed to step on the feelings and attitudes so
very efficiently lately shows me that I need to back off and retreat.

I am NOT saying this to get responses for me "not to leave!" I am not
asking for such things. It's really hard for me to lurk and not respond
to
things because I truely enjoy and need to visit and contribute to this
newsgroup. I've been here for over seven years, and despite that in the
past, so many enjoyed my postings about my fairy gardens and adventures
about the cats, dogs and such, I think that it has come time to pull out
for
awhile.

I can't seem to get anything right lately,and that isn't meant as pity or
blame or excuse. My job at Lowes doesn't have any schedule that is
consistant, or enough hours to make it worth my time to drive not only
myself to work which is only 14 miles one way, but to take oldest son to
another Lowes which is 47 miles away, one way.

I have close shifts all this week, and then next week, as a wonderful
thing,
I have ALTERNATE days off. work, off, work, off, work, off. This will
make
me slightly mad (as in crazy). Bad enough I don't know sometimes if I'm
coming or going with this job. And I can't afford to just give notice and
get another job. I am still in an area where to quit a job that pays $7.80
an hour (despite not getting or being allowed to work more than 27 hours)
is
foolish when the alternative is work at a job that still won't give me
more
hours and pay me minimum wages.

Getting back to my rudeness and irresponsibility........I never meant to
cause deletion of posts. I still grieve over the loss and inability to
retrieve my previous posts from years past when I first came here. It's
just a feeling, and eventually I'll get over it.

But I will say that the people here (most of them, about 99%) have kept me
from major depression and given me a reason to not only continue
gardening,
but to see the magic in every blossom and textured leaf and Nature around
me
better. For what little bit it's worth (and I hate to admit my weakness),
I
really DO care what people think or say about me, meaning I guess after 52
years I still have feelings despite years of verbal and emotional abuse.

Warren, Travis, Janet......I sincerely apologize for disrupting this
newsgroup. I had no idea how ****ed off or inconsiderate it was to not
only
post in HTML or post a picture that I thought was awesome for me to
capture
even for a novice like myself. You can be assured you will not see me
here
for quite awhile and I will just visit some of the garden neighborhood
friends thru e-mail as I can.

As giving and generous and I have always been, to have been accused of
being
selfish cuts pretty well. Despite just having to only correct the
problem,
I think I need to back off for awhile and despite that this is my most
magical time of the year to share the gifts of my 9 raised beds, it's just
not right for me to assume anything anymore. Bad enough that newsgroups
are being dropped. I only go to one. This one. That's been it (with rare
exception to alt.bianaries.pictures.gardens, which like I said, I never
get
to see pictures I see remarks about anyway and seems to be a waste of
time,
and I've posted there a few times.)

So with great emotion, I'll walk away. I'll possibly be back before
spring
is over. I probably rely too much on this computer and newsgroup anyway.
Time to get back outside in the soil and dirt and anything neat I want to
share, I'll just send thru e-mail if I get overcome by words.

Marilyn the madgardener, up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler,
overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36



This was not pleasant to read. I wish I could convince madgardener to come
back to the group, and learn how to killfile helpful people like Travis.
There was nothing wrong with the broken glass post. I liked it.

"Leon Trollski" wrote in message
news:LhnZd.680012$8l.161961@pd7tw1no...

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of
wrongfully
posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text newsgroup. I have to say
that I am not a selfish person, nor do I think that anything I do or say
is
of importance. That I've managed to step on the feelings and attitudes
so
very efficiently lately shows me that I need to back off and retreat.

snip

This was not pleasant to read. I wish I could convince madgardener to
come
back to the group, and learn how to killfile helpful people like Travis.
There was nothing wrong with the broken glass post. I liked it.

I didn't see it. My service provider filters it because they consider it
abuse. I like mad's posts, but ballooning a 3k post to 26K of unreadable
script is not okay and those that point it out are right. Posting binaries
could also get her account cancelled and cautioning her not to do so is an
act of kindness.

The Absolute Beginner's Guide to Usenet
http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/usenet/guide/guide.html

Do not post messages formatted in HTML

If you need help on configuring your newsreader software to post in plain
text see http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html.
2.5 Configuring Microsoft Outlook Express versions 5.0 and 6.0
Plain text is the default posting format for news in these versions of
Outlook Express. Here is how to change it back globally if necessary:

Choose 'Tools-Options' from the menu.
Choose the 'Send' tab.
Choose the 'Plain Text' radio button under 'News Sending Format'.
Click the OK button.

You can also configure the default posting format for news servers (not
groups) individually:

Highlight the server entry in the 'Folders' pane and choose
'File-Properties' from the menu.
Choose the 'Advanced' tab.
Check the 'Ignore news sending format and post using' checkbox under
'Posting'.
Choose the 'Plain Text' radio button.
Click the OK button.


Do not post binaries to non-binary newsgroups.

With spam, this is considered as serious net-abuse; it violates most
service providers' Terms of Service (TOS), or Acceptable Use Policy (AUP),
and so could lead to you losing your account. If you are in any doubts as to
whether you are posting a binary or not, there is a simple rule of thumb -
if it is not a straight ASCII text message, then don't post it in a
non-binary newsgroup. Your graphic or soundfile might be 100% on-topic for
the group you're posting to but if it is a non-binary newsgroup, it is
net-abuse. Period. No exceptions. Ever. Put it on a website and post a
message to the group saying what the URL is so that people who are
interested can find it.

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of
wrongfully
posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text newsgroup. I have to say
that I am not a selfish person, nor do I think that anything I do or say
is
of importance. That I've managed to step on the feelings and attitudes so
very efficiently lately shows me that I need to back off and retreat.

I am NOT saying this to get responses for me "not to leave!" I am not
asking for such things. It's really hard for me to lurk and not respond
to
things because I truely enjoy and need to visit and contribute to this
newsgroup. I've been here for over seven years, and despite that in the
past, so many enjoyed my postings about my fairy gardens and adventures
about the cats, dogs and such, I think that it has come time to pull out
for
awhile.

I can't seem to get anything right lately,and that isn't meant as pity or
blame or excuse. My job at Lowes doesn't have any schedule that is
consistant, or enough hours to make it worth my time to drive not only
myself to work which is only 14 miles one way, but to take oldest son to
another Lowes which is 47 miles away, one way.

I have close shifts all this week, and then next week, as a wonderful
thing,
I have ALTERNATE days off. work, off, work, off, work, off. This will
make
me slightly mad (as in crazy). Bad enough I don't know sometimes if I'm
coming or going with this job. And I can't afford to just give notice and
get another job. I am still in an area where to quit a job that pays $7.80
an hour (despite not getting or being allowed to work more than 27 hours)
is
foolish when the alternative is work at a job that still won't give me
more
hours and pay me minimum wages.

Getting back to my rudeness and irresponsibility........I never meant to
cause deletion of posts. I still grieve over the loss and inability to
retrieve my previous posts from years past when I first came here. It's
just a feeling, and eventually I'll get over it.

But I will say that the people here (most of them, about 99%) have kept me
from major depression and given me a reason to not only continue
gardening,
but to see the magic in every blossom and textured leaf and Nature around
me
better. For what little bit it's worth (and I hate to admit my weakness),
I
really DO care what people think or say about me, meaning I guess after 52
years I still have feelings despite years of verbal and emotional abuse.

Warren, Travis, Janet......I sincerely apologize for disrupting this
newsgroup. I had no idea how ****ed off or inconsiderate it was to not
only
post in HTML or post a picture that I thought was awesome for me to
capture
even for a novice like myself. You can be assured you will not see me
here
for quite awhile and I will just visit some of the garden neighborhood
friends thru e-mail as I can.

As giving and generous and I have always been, to have been accused of
being
selfish cuts pretty well. Despite just having to only correct the
problem,
I think I need to back off for awhile and despite that this is my most
magical time of the year to share the gifts of my 9 raised beds, it's just
not right for me to assume anything anymore. Bad enough that newsgroups
are being dropped. I only go to one. This one. That's been it (with rare
exception to alt.bianaries.pictures.gardens, which like I said, I never
get
to see pictures I see remarks about anyway and seems to be a waste of
time,
and I've posted there a few times.)

So with great emotion, I'll walk away. I'll possibly be back before
spring
is over. I probably rely too much on this computer and newsgroup anyway.
Time to get back outside in the soil and dirt and anything neat I want to
share, I'll just send thru e-mail if I get overcome by words.

Marilyn the madgardener, up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler,
overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36



Hello,



I must say this sort of things must happen in every newsgroup. You have
got the spelling cops, the size limit police, the appropriate guardians,
etc, all of which have their place in the newsgroup world. And then they
have their followers; those that want to jump on the bandwagon to feel
important because they have nothing else to contribute, some people just
like to argue.



In this case I think there was some confusion over html-formatted text
versus posting binary/pictures. Some one offered to share a picture via
email, another html formatted msg requested the picture, then some
complained about THAT msg which only requested an email. Then more confusion
about posting versus emailing, and then we get a lecture on posting binaries
to a rec.gardens which no one intended on doing in the first place.



These people with all their technical know-how fail to say that most can
add; filters to hide your posts, filters to hide posts that are of a certain
size so they are not downloaded, options that can be set to not download
msgs larger than a set limit, and the option to read your msgs as Plain Text
if they do not like your formatted text!



Just the other week someone pointed out to me that I was posting in HTML. I
had changed computers and did not know that option was turned on. I shut it
off, because it doubles the size of the message and I was not using any
special format in the first place. If I wanted it formatted, then I would
have left it on, doubling the size of a text message is not that big of
deal. Many of us waste space and bandwidth every day when we unnecessarily
include the original msg in our replies.



IMO, Newsgroup rules have not evolved, they are set back in the times when
people had Commodore-64's and 1200/2400-baud modems and no one wanted to
download 1 byte more than they had too. Some of us really need get with the
times, this is not Rec.Gardens.Text but it is also not a Binary/Picture
newsgroup either. I think you should be able to post html (as in formatted
text) to Rec.Gardens. IMO, if some individual really has a problem with
that, then they need to deal with it on their end.



I am just a part-timer here, but I can see that this newsgroup is important
to you and I am sure that your posts are equally important to others. Do
not let this event discourage you from posting here. Shake hands, bury the
hatchet, and move on to more important things!



Great picture, I just had to check it out after all this discussion. I have
been wanting to create a home printed calendar, may I use your pic for one
of the months? Got any more?



For others who wish to see it, you can find it in the Newsgroups:
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens

From: "madgardener"

Subject: a kiss of spring early

Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005.





Cheers,

Jim

So with great emotion, I'll walk away. I'll possibly be back before
spring
is over. I probably rely too much on this computer and newsgroup anyway.
Time to get back outside in the soil and dirt and anything neat I want to
share, I'll just send thru e-mail if I get overcome by words.

Marilyn the madgardener, up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler,
overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36

I rarely post in newsgroups but read this one a lot and feel you have a lot
to add.
I would not let anybody force me out of a group that I enjoy and add to. You
are
an excellent writer and this gives you are area to do it. Do what you have
to do but
it would be good to toughen up a bit with that good Appalachian heritage..

Alice, Over the mountain in Weaverville, NC.

madgardener wrote:
Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of
wrongfully posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text
newsgroup. I have to say that I am not a selfish person, nor do I
think that anything I do or say is of importance. That I've
managed to step on the feelings and attitudes so very efficiently
lately shows me that I need to back off and retreat.

I am NOT saying this to get responses for me "not to leave!" I am
not asking for such things. It's really hard for me to lurk and
not respond to things because I truely enjoy and need to visit and
contribute to this newsgroup. I've been here for over seven years,
and despite that in the past, so many enjoyed my postings about my
fairy gardens and adventures about the cats, dogs and such, I think
that it has come time to pull out for awhile.

I can't seem to get anything right lately,and that isn't meant as
pity or blame or excuse. My job at Lowes doesn't have any schedule
that is consistant, or enough hours to make it worth my time to
drive not only myself to work which is only 14 miles one way, but
to take oldest son to another Lowes which is 47 miles away, one way.

I have close shifts all this week, and then next week, as a
wonderful thing, I have ALTERNATE days off. work, off, work, off,
work, off. This will make me slightly mad (as in crazy). Bad
enough I don't know sometimes if I'm coming or going with this job.
And I can't afford to just give notice and get another job. I am
still in an area where to quit a job that pays $7.80 an hour
(despite not getting or being allowed to work more than 27 hours)
is foolish when the alternative is work at a job that still won't
give me more hours and pay me minimum wages.

Getting back to my rudeness and irresponsibility........I never
meant to cause deletion of posts. I still grieve over the loss and
inability to retrieve my previous posts from years past when I
first came here. It's just a feeling, and eventually I'll get over
it.

But I will say that the people here (most of them, about 99%) have
kept me from major depression and given me a reason to not only
continue gardening, but to see the magic in every blossom and
textured leaf and Nature around me better. For what little bit
it's worth (and I hate to admit my weakness), I really DO care what
people think or say about me, meaning I guess after 52 years I
still have feelings despite years of verbal and emotional abuse.

Warren, Travis, Janet......I sincerely apologize for disrupting this
newsgroup. I had no idea how ****ed off or inconsiderate it was to
not only post in HTML or post a picture that I thought was awesome
for me to capture even for a novice like myself. You can be
assured you will not see me here for quite awhile and I will just
visit some of the garden neighborhood friends thru e-mail as I can.

As giving and generous and I have always been, to have been accused
of being selfish cuts pretty well. Despite just having to only
correct the problem, I think I need to back off for awhile and
despite that this is my most magical time of the year to share the
gifts of my 9 raised beds, it's just not right for me to assume
anything anymore. Bad enough that newsgroups are being dropped.
I only go to one. This one. That's been it (with rare exception to
alt.bianaries.pictures.gardens, which like I said, I never get to
see pictures I see remarks about anyway and seems to be a waste of
time, and I've posted there a few times.)

So with great emotion, I'll walk away. I'll possibly be back
before spring is over. I probably rely too much on this computer
and newsgroup anyway. Time to get back outside in the soil and dirt
and anything neat I want to share, I'll just send thru e-mail if I
get overcome by words.

Marilyn the madgardener, up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler,
overlooking English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset
zone 36

I never intended to chase you or anyone else away. I was just trying to
be helpful. I enjoy reading your posts. Why can't you see the pix in
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens?

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

paghat wrote:
In article , "madgardener"
wrote:

Well, I see that I have been rightfully accused and condemmed of
wrongfully posting in HTML and posting a JPG on this text
newsgroup. I have to say that I am not a selfish person, nor do I
think that anything I do or say is of importance.

But it is.

That I've managed to step on the feelings and attitudes so
very efficiently lately shows me that I need to back off and
retreat.

I didn't catch what someone said to you, but posting in html is one
of those things usually only beginners do & some people respond to
it in a kneejerk way, as "You retard, turn off your html!"

I didn't say anything like that. I said "Posting in HTML is frowned
upon" or words to that effect.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message
from (paghat) contains these words:


I didn't catch what someone said to you, but posting in html is
one of those things usually only beginners do & some people
respond to it in a kneejerk way, as "You retard, turn off your
html!"

There was nothing remotely like that. See "little pieces of stained
glass" thread.Travis posted, not to M but someone else, a one line
polite comment "posting in HTML is frowned upon". M went off the
deep end at some length; Warren politely and clearly explained why
HTML and posting binaries to a non-binary group are no-nos. I tried
to defuse M's reaction. M lost the place all over again.

Otherwise, you hit the nail on the head, IMHO.

Janet.

......and her next post was in plain text and I thanked her for that.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

Play4abuck wrote:
IMO, Newsgroup rules have not evolved, they are set back in the times
when
people had Commodore-64's and 1200/2400-baud modems and no one wanted
to
download 1 byte more than they had too. Some of us really need get
with the
times, this is not Rec.Gardens.Text but it is also not a
Binary/Picture
newsgroup either. I think you should be able to post html (as in
formatted
text) to Rec.Gardens. IMO, if some individual really has a problem
with
that, then they need to deal with it on their end.

Discussion groups are about using words to communicate. Fancy formatting
doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. It has nothing to do with
how long ago Usenet began, or what technology was in use at the time.

You also seem to make the assumption that everyone is using up to date
equipment, and is running software that includes html capabilities for
newsgroup reading. However, since html doesn't belong in newsgroups,
it's unfair to insist that the reader needs to change their client
software because you want to add some unnecessary fluff. It also causes
problems for blind people and the software they use to read text.

If someone really has a problem with adopting the norms of conduct in
the community, then they need to convince the community that the norms
need to be changed. What does html add to the discussion? Simply
believing that others should "deal with it on their end" when there was
no reason to inflict it on them in the first place doesn't cut it.

Just because you have 4-wheel drive doesn't mean you can make your own
exit ramps off the Interstate. You still should be using the same exit
ramps that were put in when the highway was designed. If you want a new
ramp, make your case for it, and let the community decide. Don't just
start driving off the road, and expect others to "deal with it on their
end".

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/community...are/index.html

Travis wrote:
I never intended to chase you or anyone else away. I was just trying
to be helpful. I enjoy reading your posts. Why can't you see the pix
in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens?

Ditto.

If someone says, "you really need to care for that plant differently",
the reaction expected isn't for the plant owner to give-up gardening.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/community...are/index.html

"Warren" wrote in message
...

Discussion groups are about using words to communicate. Fancy formatting
doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. It has nothing to do with
how long ago Usenet began, or what technology was in use at the time.


No doubt that is true in the formal sense

You also seem to make the assumption that everyone is using up to date
equipment, and is running software that includes html capabilities for
newsgroup reading. However, since html doesn't belong in newsgroups,
it's unfair to insist that the reader needs to change their client
software because you want to add some unnecessary fluff. It also causes
problems for blind people and the software they use to read text.


I don't know what assumptions were made. Some folks make mistakes.


If someone really has a problem with adopting the norms of conduct in
the community, then they need to convince the community that the norms
need to be changed. What does html add to the discussion? Simply
believing that others should "deal with it on their end" when there was
no reason to inflict it on them in the first place doesn't cut it.


OK here's a dumb question, but why can't the servers strip out the html for
except for binary groups?

Just because you have 4-wheel drive doesn't mean you can make your own
exit ramps off the Interstate. You still should be using the same exit
ramps that were put in when the highway was designed. If you want a new
ramp, make your case for it, and let the community decide. Don't just
start driving off the road, and expect others to "deal with it on their
end".

Just because you're another user don't mean you should play cop. Let the
admin decide, complain if you like, but keep your insufferable holy crusade
for worthy topics.

What you've all overlooked is that it's your stupid nagging that has run
Maggie off. You know, this NG has really gone down the toilet when you have
to throw blame about, and can't just say you're sorry and e-mail her asking
Maggie to come back.
This whole thing is just really pathetic.
Murri

"Warren" wrote in message
...
Travis wrote:
I never intended to chase you or anyone else away. I was just trying to
be helpful. I enjoy reading your posts. Why can't you see the pix in
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens?

Ditto.

If someone says, "you really need to care for that plant differently", the
reaction expected isn't for the plant owner to give-up gardening.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/community...are/index.html

Leon Trollski wrote:
OK here's a dumb question, but why can't the servers strip out the
html for
except for binary groups?

The server only stores the message. If the message is long enough, or if
it includes a mime-type header, the server can drop the message, and not
store it. Even if there was enough server resources available to do the
kind of editing you're proposing, it would open the server admin to
liability for editing the content of messages.

Just because you're another user don't mean you should play cop. Let
the
admin decide, complain if you like, but keep your insufferable holy
crusade
for worthy topics.

No one is playing cop. No one has the authority to enforce any rules.

If you've been following the thread you'd understand that there is no
moderator, and the admin is only interested in how much server space is
available.

Pointing out to folks what the customs are, and why they're the customs
is not a holy crusade, and if it's insufferable, you're welcome ignore
it. But ignore the societal customs at the peril of being insufferable
yourself. You pointing out to me that you think I should keep my
"insufferable holy crusade for worthy topics" is no different than how
this all started. Someone advised someone else that they acted in a way
that wasn't approved of. So are you playing cop now?

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/community...are/index.html

Lady Blacksword wrote:
What you've all overlooked is that it's your stupid nagging that has
run Maggie off. You know, this NG has really gone down the toilet when
you have to throw blame about, and can't just say you're sorry and
e-mail her asking Maggie to come back.
This whole thing is just really pathetic.


No one, until now, has been throwing blame about.

If she's run off because she was informed why something she did was not
acceptable behavior, then that's her prerogative. All she needed to do
was not post binaries, and turn-off the html -- and she did that. But
*she* made a big deal about it. The response to that was to explain why
the customs were reasonable. That's the point that she decided that she
was going to leave.

So should we apologize for explaining why the customs exist, and why
those customs are reasonable? Should it have been left at the point of
her triad in which she said:

=I mean, whattaya gonna do, break my trowel? Banish me to the compost
heap?
=Forbid me to go cow pie picking next door in the pasture? Or ground me
and
=not allow me to play with the faeries?

She asked a question, too:

=and that sucking sound is the unmistakable sound of someone being a bit
=anal. And just when does posting a JPG of a gardening wonder
constitute
=being frowned upon?

It was answered. It was after she got a reasonable answer that she
decided to leave. She didn't leave, or even threaten to leave after
being asked not to post binaries or html. She decided to leave after it
was explained to her why she shouldn't.

So you want us to apologize to her for answering her question?

Staying away is her choice. Coming back will be her choice as well. She
said,

=Despite just having to only correct the problem,
=I think I need to back off for awhile

If this discussion is so pathetic, than it should stop. It should have
stopped a day and a half ago, but obviously this topic is of great
interest to people, including yourself, because it's been kept alive --
in two separate threads, no less -- by the people in the group. It's not
crossposted, so we can't even blame outsiders. This "pathetic"
discussion continues because people continue to show an interest in it.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/community...are/index.html

Leon Trollski wrote:
"Warren" wrote in message
...

Discussion groups are about using words to communicate. Fancy
formatting doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. It has
nothing to do with how long ago Usenet began, or what technology
was in use at the time.


No doubt that is true in the formal sense

You also seem to make the assumption that everyone is using up to
date equipment, and is running software that includes html
capabilities for newsgroup reading. However, since html doesn't
belong in newsgroups, it's unfair to insist that the reader needs
to change their client software because you want to add some
unnecessary fluff. It also causes problems for blind people and
the software they use to read text.


I don't know what assumptions were made. Some folks make mistakes.


If someone really has a problem with adopting the norms of conduct
in the community, then they need to convince the community that
the norms need to be changed. What does html add to the
discussion? Simply believing that others should "deal with it on
their end" when there was no reason to inflict it on them in the
first place doesn't cut it.


OK here's a dumb question, but why can't the servers strip out the
html for except for binary groups?

The servers see the HTML as text because that is what it is.

Just because you have 4-wheel drive doesn't mean you can make your
own exit ramps off the Interstate. You still should be using the
same exit ramps that were put in when the highway was designed. If
you want a new ramp, make your case for it, and let the community
decide. Don't just start driving off the road, and expect others
to "deal with it on their end".

Just because you're another user don't mean you should play cop.
Let the admin decide, complain if you like, but keep your
insufferable holy crusade for worthy topics.

There is no admin in usenet.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

"Warren" wrote in message
...

If she's run off because she was informed why something she did was not
acceptable behavior, then that's her prerogative. All she needed to do
was not post binaries, and turn-off the html -- and she did that. But
*she* made a big deal about it.



plonk, Warren. There is no value in tittle-tattle.

Sorry Janet, if she doesn't let you use her more personal nickname. But I
know her as Maggie.
Murri

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message 1110913202.ceacd00e7e5d001b18efa99ec23dc924@teran ews
from "Lady Blacksword" contains these words:

What you've all overlooked is that it's your stupid nagging that has run
Maggie off.

You're mistaken. Nobody nagged her or ran her off, and her name is
Marilyn not Maggie.

FYI, she has a history of posting " I'm in a stew and taking a break"
when she needs some time to sort herself out.From experience, she'll
recover her equilibrium and return to the group when she's ready.

Janet

Leon Trollski wrote:
"Warren" wrote in message
...

If she's run off because she was informed why something she did
was not acceptable behavior, then that's her prerogative. All she
needed to do was not post binaries, and turn-off the html -- and
she did that. But *she* made a big deal about it.



plonk, Warren. There is no value in tittle-tattle.

What?

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

Travis wrote:
Leon Trollski wrote:
plonk, Warren. There is no value in tittle-tattle.

What?

He plonked you last week, so he'll never see this.

Pretty soon he'll have plonked everyone, and he'll be posting a "how come I
haven't seen any posts in the last week?" message.

Unless, of course, he really didn't plonk us, and is only pretending to ignore
people.

Warren wrote:
Travis wrote:
Leon Trollski wrote:
plonk, Warren. There is no value in tittle-tattle.

What?

He plonked you last week, so he'll never see this.

Pretty soon he'll have plonked everyone, and he'll be posting a
"how come I haven't seen any posts in the last week?" message.

Unless, of course, he really didn't plonk us, and is only
pretending to ignore people.

So does "tittle-tattle" have a meaning or is it just something he made
up?

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message HuPZd.2914$uw6.2663@trnddc06
from "Travis" contains these words:


So does "tittle-tattle" have a meaning or is it just something he made
up?

It's a British phrase meaning idle gossip. Perhaps Leon reads
"Tattler", a magazine for idle gossipers. Another phrase we use is
"arse about tit", which describes someone who gets things back to
front....who might also be called a "tit", an unmanly male of low
intelligence. "Tat" is rubbish, as spoken by trolls, and "tit for tat",
is when some tit gets what was coming to him.

Janet

British phrases have a stronger hold in Canada than some may think.

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message 1110913202.ceacd00e7e5d001b18efa99ec23dc924@teran ews
from "Lady Blacksword" contains these words:

What you've all overlooked is that it's your stupid nagging that has run
Maggie off.

You're mistaken. Nobody nagged her or ran her off, and her name is
Marilyn not Maggie.

FYI, she has a history of posting " I'm in a stew and taking a break"
when she needs some time to sort herself out.From experience, she'll
recover her equilibrium and return to the group when she's ready.

Janet

She seems like a nice, well intentioned person, but she also seems to need
special help that she will never receive from this nor any other newsgroups.

"Hound Dog" wrote in message
... snip, snip, snip

The message 1110913202.ceacd00e7e5d001b18efa99ec23dc924@teran ews
from "Lady Blacksword" contains these words:

What you've all overlooked is that it's your stupid nagging that has
run
Maggie off.
nahhhh, I'm still here.......just been up to my eyeballs in daily routines
that would break an ordinary person, but things could be worse..........g

You're mistaken. Nobody nagged her or ran her off, and her name is
Marilyn not Maggie.
that's right! (and that could have been taken as just a slip of the fingers
on the keyboards, Murri.......gbseg)

FYI, she has a history of posting " I'm in a stew and taking a break"
when she needs some time to sort herself out.From experience, she'll
recover her equilibrium and return to the group when she's ready.

Janet
and Janet knows me well........((hug))


She seems like a nice, well intentioned person, but

hmmm, sticking in the but means you are retracting the compliment that I am
a nice, well intentioned person (which I really am most times) but I
appreciate the compliment that you threw my way...............

she also seems to need
special help that she will never receive from this nor any other
newsgroups.

I don't need any special help, nor have I asked for such from this newsgroup
or any other that I may have visited. The only other one I rarely visit is
alt.bianaries.gardens.pictures, and that's not nearly as often as I come
here. This is my neighborhood, and I won't ever be gone long unless the
computer refuses me, and even then I'll eventually return. Most problems
can be fixed. Now if I could only figure out how to zip up JPG's to send to
my garden friends who e-mail me outside the newsgroup, I'd be set!

spring post coming soon as I get the words untangled from my fingers.
Thanks for the thought that I might need help,though. It's appreciated
though misdirected.
madgardener

madgardener wrote:

snip

Now if I could only figure out how to zip up JPG's to send to my
garden
friends who e-mail me outside the newsgroup, I'd be set!

JPG's are already compressed so zipping them will not make them much
smaller if at all. You could use www.IrfanView.com the free viewer to
make them smaller.

--

Travis in Shoreline Washington

Travis wrote:
... JPG's are already compressed so zipping them will not make them much
smaller if at all. You could use www.IrfanView.com the free viewer to
make them smaller.



If you don't know about IrfanView yet, it's time you did. It's an
all-purpose image viewer and basic editor. It does 99% (my estimate)of
all the photo editing most people will ever do: crop, resize,
brightness/contrast adjustment, red eye reduction, rotate (by any
angle), converting from one image format (BMP, JPG, etc...) to another,
making contact sheets, adding text to images, sharpen, etc., etc. It
allows you to look at exif data from digital photos (which contain
picture date/time, and other information about the camera).

It does all that faster than the fancy photo editors.

It's free for the downloading.

True, there are some things it doesn't do, so don't uninstall your fancy
photo editor, but IrfanView will probably become your first line of
editing if you try it.

I have no pecuniary or social interest in IrfanView. I just think it's a
great program.

Since much of gardening is visual, a discussion of photo editing is
relevant to this newsgroup.