Some interesting things...

EPA sued for backroom deals with chemical production companies.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/Poli...sued022305.cfm

"The herbicide atrazine, is one of the most common contaminants
of ground and surface waters..." snip.../snip "Atrazine induces
aromatase and results in elevated estrogens..." snip.../snip
"...males produce ovaries, eggs and become vitellogenic..."
http://www.dioxin2003.org/Plenary.htm
If that happens, what about going for a swim in the lake or being
splashed by a passing car?

Wikipedia indicates that Ronald Reagan was urged by George Bush
and Donald Rumsfeld to approve of the commercial production of a
biochemical weapon known as "aspartame". The approval meant
Ronald Reagan FIRED a staunch FDA opponent. Now the man
that runs the FDA will approve putting cyanide into food if Bush OR
Donald OR Conda OR Dick Cheney has a financial interest in the
production of such foods...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
Of aspartame...

"Initial safety testing suggested that aspartame might cause brain
tumors in rats;"

"In 1981, U.S. President Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld
(a CEO of G.D. Searle & Company and friend of Bush) fired
the old FDA Commissioner, and hired a new head of the FDA :
Arthur Hull Hayes, a defense department contractor."

"One of the many hypotheses about the causes of Gulf war
syndrome is that soldiers, after drinking gallons of soft drinks
containing aspartame in the extreme heat, accumulated toxic
doses of methanol, formaldehyde, diketopiperazine and
formic acid from the breakdown of the sweetener into its
component molecules."

"The Pentagon once listed aspartame in an inventory of
prospective biochemical warfare weapons submitted to
Congress."

paraphrase
Donald Rumsfeld was a CEO of G.D. Searle & Company,
the manufacturer of "aspartame", at the time.
/paraphrase

Everyone KNOWS Ronald was the stooge for George Bush Sr
and Donald Rumsfeld. All the real problems of the Ronald Reagan
term resulted from George Bush Sr and Donald Rumsfeld.

George Jr is very much like his father with a bunch of stooges
doing whatever he tells them to do. They KNOW they will be
FIRED if they refuse to follow his orders. Biggest stooge in point,
Condaleezza Rice... she ALWAYS smiles happily following
Bush whereever he walks. SHE ALWAYS does everything
George tells her. Every speech she provides is a well rehearsed
speech provided and approved by the George Bush speech
guppies.

I met one of the solders that returned from the first Gulf War.
His mind was messed up, his wife blamed Bush, and I didn't
know what to think about it. Both the husband and the wife
initially thought that radioactive shells used in the initial Gulf
War were to blame. The patent expired on "aspartame" since
then. Donald Rumsfeld became a very rich man because he
and George FIRED the only opponent to putting the chemical
into food. George and Donald continue to HIDE the facts
about "aspartame" problem and the Gulf War Syndrome. The
soldier that I met, died a year after I met him, leaving behind a
wife and children.

The United States Government run by George Bush, burns
forests down because George says it's dry timber waiting for
a fire to start and a fire started in 2000 in Oregon (deliberately
set on fire) while George was making speaches about how
forests are waiting to burn down. Coincidence?

--
Jim Carlock
Please post replies to newsgroup.

Clearly you have a political agenda. Why bring these wild conspiracy
theories about aspartame and gulf war syndrome to the lawn/garden
newsgroup? Perhaps cause it's the only place left that doesn't know
you;'re a kook?

wrote in message
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Clearly you have a political agenda. Why bring these wild conspiracy
theories about aspartame and gulf war syndrome to the lawn/garden
newsgroup? Perhaps cause it's the only place left that doesn't know
you;'re a kook?


Why do you have blind faith in chemical companies?

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:18:01 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote:

The message .com
from contains these words:

"I haven't read anything like an admission...care to repost with the
complete header? "

Why don't you learn to use the internet like the rest of us, instead of
expecting someone else to do it for you.

This is usenet, where other people include the attribution of posts
they quote, and indents identify quoted sections.

Janet


And the bravest of posters hide behind a nome de plume....

On 1 Jul 2005 06:13:03 -0700, wrote:

"I haven't read anything like an admission...care to repost with the
complete header? "

Why don't you learn to use the internet like the rest of us, instead of
expecting someone else to do it for you. Ever hear of Google? It's
not hard to find if you look instead of shooting off your mouth.


No problems with Google here Chet boy...perhaps you should read and
search before you spew...

" No problems with Google here Chet boy...perhaps you should read and
search before you spew... "

Apparently you do have a problem reading threads, otherwise you'd have
seen this, before you called me a putz. And even now, instead of
appologizing you pretend it never happened. So, I think it's quite
obvious who's the real putz here.




Doug Kanter Jun 30, 8:38 am show options

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"Tom Jaszewski" wrote in message


...


On 28 Jun 2005 18:21:55 -0700, wrote:

Oh, wow imagine that! The govt allowed industry to "play a role in
shaping the EPA decision." I would have thought they would just take
input from guys like Doug Kanter, after all, he's quite an expert.
He's a real renaissance man who can tell everyone how to have a
beautiful lawn without any chemicals, calls lawn care professionals
thugs, and even has time to advocate poisoning neighbors pets and
making bigotted remarks about the handicapped. Why should anyone doubt
Doug? LOL


Perhaps you could display a little more than ignorance of Usenet and
check some of the postings from Kanter. Just an ounce of skill and
you'd find he's being spoofed...PUTZ!



Actually, I *did* post the article. But, trader4 is young, and has
missed 40
years worth of chemical industry antics. He doesn't understand how they

operate. Not only that, but he doesn't understand how legislation (and
legislators) are manipulated by the industries which are affected by
potential new laws.

OK Putz now the handicapped header and I will apologize....


On 2 Jul 2005 10:06:18 -0700, wrote:

" No problems with Google here Chet boy...perhaps you should read and
search before you spew... "

Apparently you do have a problem reading threads, otherwise you'd have
seen this, before you called me a putz. And even now, instead of
appologizing you pretend it never happened. So, I think it's quite
obvious who's the real putz here.




Doug Kanter Jun 30, 8:38 am show options

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"Tom Jaszewski" wrote in message


.. .


On 28 Jun 2005 18:21:55 -0700, wrote:

Oh, wow imagine that! The govt allowed industry to "play a role in
shaping the EPA decision." I would have thought they would just take
input from guys like Doug Kanter, after all, he's quite an expert.
He's a real renaissance man who can tell everyone how to have a
beautiful lawn without any chemicals, calls lawn care professionals
thugs, and even has time to advocate poisoning neighbors pets and
making bigotted remarks about the handicapped. Why should anyone doubt
Doug? LOL


Perhaps you could display a little more than ignorance of Usenet and
check some of the postings from Kanter. Just an ounce of skill and
you'd find he's being spoofed...PUTZ!



Actually, I *did* post the article. But, trader4 is young, and has
missed 40
years worth of chemical industry antics. He doesn't understand how they

operate. Not only that, but he doesn't understand how legislation (and
legislators) are manipulated by the industries which are affected by
potential new laws.

If you spent half as much time responding to the questions you're afraid to
answer, you might learn something. But hey...the world needs pussies, or the
brave would not stand out as much.

Here we go again:

If chemical companies use animal tests and "find" that the animals are not
harmed by chemicals, they declare the tests to be conclusive.

If another researcher uses animal tests with the exact same chemical
product, and the animals get sick, the manufacturers say animal tests are
not valid because animals don't react to chemicals in the same way as
humans.

Both cannot be correct. So, what's up with this situation?

wrote in news:1120268832.447474.20260
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Clearly you have a political agenda. Why bring these wild conspiracy
theories about aspartame and gulf war syndrome to the lawn/garden
newsgroup? Perhaps cause it's the only place left that doesn't know
you;'re a kook?


tsk, tsk. But you think wild conspiracy theories about Iraq having WMDs is
okay, don't you.

"Doug Kanter" posted:
If chemical companies use animal tests and "find" that the animals
are not harmed by chemicals, they declare the tests to be conclusive.

If another researcher uses animal tests with the exact same chemical
product, and the animals get sick, the manufacturers say animal tests
are not valid because animals don't react to chemicals in the same
way as humans.

Both cannot be correct. So, what's up with this situation?

Or the other situation, that Ronald Reagan fires the FDA coordinator,
hires a new one on advise of his buddy Mister Aspartame (Donald
Rumsfeld), and was a Defense Contractor that worked for Donald.

Arthur Hull Hayes
FDA Commissioner
hired in 1981
fired in 1983 for accepting corporate gifts in exchange
of his approvals for drugs.
went to work for G.D. Searle & Company,
(as a medical advisor)
(Donald Rumsfeld is CEO of this company)

The approval of drug by the FDA was based upon firing the FDA
commissioner, and putting in a new commissioner that would approve
the chemical known as aspartame. He based his approval upon
reports presented by the company that manufactured aspartame,
G.D. Searle & Company (of which Donald Rumsfeld was a CEO).

Boy it sures does swing in a very tight circle there. And the guy was
FIRED for accepting gifts. He then went to work for Donald
Rumsfeld again, as a "medical professional".

That's a VERY TIGHT circle there, where the people approving
things are hired because they WILL APPROVE, and hired
because they work FOR a company that needs approval.

--
Jim Carlock
Please post replies to newsgroup.

Doug Kanter wrote:
But hey...the world needs pussies, or the
brave would not stand out as much.

You should know, puss.

"G Henslee" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
But hey...the world needs pussies, or the brave would not stand out as
much.

You should know, puss.



Oh good....another sap, falling asleep with an empty six pack.

For more comments on how agriculture is shaping the evolution and
destruction of species, you may find this essay interesting: "On the
Semantics of Evolution".

http://www.ergonica.com/downloads.htm.

EWIRM: Nature makes plants, humans make weeds!

"raycruzer" wrote in message
oups.com...
For more comments on how agriculture is shaping the evolution and
destruction of species, you may find this essay interesting: "On the
Semantics of Evolution".

http://www.ergonica.com/downloads.htm.

EWIRM: Nature makes plants, humans make weeds!


You're expecting a lot of the children here. :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"raycruzer" wrote in message
oups.com...
For more comments on how agriculture is shaping the evolution and
destruction of species, you may find this essay interesting: "On the
Semantics of Evolution".

http://www.ergonica.com/downloads.htm.

EWIRM: Nature makes plants, humans make weeds!


You're expecting a lot of the children here. :-)

You have no room to talk, Kanter. Check out some of Doug's finer posts here.

http://tinyurl.com/8etz7

http://tinyurl.com/8etz7