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"Jim" wrote in message ink.net... "Bob" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message news:001cf.5745 Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's another garden use. If your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion that requires at least two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run its course, then pour the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good irregardless. If you'd eat vegetables grown where gasoline was dumped, MBTE and all, you are a far more "trusting" man than I. Bob Why? Edible foods are grown in soil with fertilizers derived from petroleum, or some form of manure everyday. The only difference here between petroleum derived fertilizer and this is that am not paying for it. Mother nature is doing the chemical breakdown of the petroleum product. Just because its not a common practice, doesn't mean its not viable. Since you know this to be true, please provide us with the chemical formulas of how gasoline and it's additives become fertilizer. Anyone who's done backyard location car work for years in a location in the backyard, then abandoned that location has seen the results from the oil and gasoline waste. Similar to the grass growing greener over a leaky septic tank or leech field. Fenceline waste oil dumping is the same. Takes a couple of years to recover, but the results are the same. -- Lil' Dave Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg Else you will be absorbed |
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Joseph Meehan wrote: z wrote: Joseph Meehan wrote: George E. Cawthon wrote: FDR wrote: I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead? You will get all sorts of answers, possibly because of varying conditions but often due to blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old means be really careful and the best advice is to dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for the entire period the gas will be in much better condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at higher temperatures. If it really is about 1 year old just added a gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of gas in any vehicle. George has it right. My suggestion is to add a little at a time to your car's gas tank. Only do this with a nearly full tank in the car. No more than a gallon at a time, I would use less. Diluted like this will be safe for your car. Today's gas is better than that of years ago so it will last longer before going bad, which it does just a little at a time. Yes and no... the advent of in-tank electric fuel pumps for fuel injection, which are not prone to vapor lock, has led to the refineries leaving a lot of the real light fractions in the gasoline that they couldn't in the past, so that they evaporate out more. In fact, older evaporative pollution control systems from the early 80s and such get maxed out by current fuel. Whether that would be a problem for a lawnmower with no fuel pump is dubious, of course. True, but evaporation is not ... well in some cases it could be, the problem of old gas. It is the chemical reactions within the gas that is the usual problem. The evaporation will lead to hard starting, but the oxidation etc. are what causes varnish and sediment. Long boring story: I bought a 7 year old Corvair at one point; the fancy kind with 4 carbs, two primaries and two secondaries. Only the primaries had idle jets this early in production, and the secondaries were on a progressive linkage, which meant that unless you floored it, the gas did not flow through them, just sat and slowly evaporated out of the float bowls. I guess whoever owned it did not drive very energetically, as I discovered that both secondary fuel bowls were absolutely and completely full of solid matter that could not be removed with any amount of carb cleaner and manual labor, and the carbs had to be junked. I wonder why the original owner went for the 4 carb version in the first place? -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.
No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the summer? Is this normal for the industry? |
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I have one dated to 1980 and it has a breather - yours should too.
-- PDQ -- wrote in message oups.com... | I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20. | | No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the | summer? Is this normal for the industry? | |
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Yeah its normal. Ariens snowkings dont have one by default. You can
buy one from them though if you really want it. Only thing that covers the carb is a metal enclosure around it. Its open from the bottom though. Tom |
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most snowblowers dont use airfilter cause it ices up. there isnt any
dirt blowin around in snow anyway.but there usually is a screen of some type to keep rocks and such out... or on water for that matter,thats why outboard engines dont use an air filter..lucas http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
wrote: | Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas | tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the | first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your | auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it | for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state, | it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it. | | Exactly right! | | Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to | your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump | that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close | by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water. | | Use it up first next year you bogart! :) | | Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along a | fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that | fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location. | Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by breaking | down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one would | think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances. Used | engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil or | petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the consumer. | | Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were dumped with | no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an | underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The contents | get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even though | some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of petroleum | waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the location its | dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a | fenceline. Most of it evaporates. Overview Each year, American consumers accidentally spill more than 9 million gallons of gasoline, largely in attempts to fill small engine machines like lawn mowers, chain saws, generators and outboard motors and through improper disposal of excess or old gasoline. The Alliance for Proper Gasoline Handling is a unique public-private partnership helping to reduce the significant environmental harm caused by millions of these small, accidental spills. A typical portable fuel container, also called a gas can, emits about 8 pounds of hydrocarbons through spills and evaporation each year. Compared to a new car, a typical portable fuel container emits twice the amount of hydrocarbons each year. There are about 78 million portable fuel containers in the United States. In total, portable fuel containers emit about 621 million pounds, or 310,000 tons, of hydrocarbons each year. A rough estimate of hydrocarbon emissions from gasoline spillage alone is approximately 28,000 tons per year nationwide. About one tenth of a gallon of gasoline is spilled per portable fuel container each year during typical use and handling. These releases contribute, at least in part, to the United States Geologic Society (USGS) estimate that more than 40 million people use groundwater that contains at least one volatile organic compound, many of which are components of gasoline. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20. No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the summer? Is this normal for the industry? Yep! I did small engine work for a few years, never saw a filter, screen or anything on the carburetor intake. My guess is it would just get clogged with snow anyway! Neither my twenty year old Bolens or my two year old Toro have anything for a intake filter. Greg |
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"Tom Warner" wrote in message
... wrote: That's fine but I like to run my engine during the off season every few months, and I don't like the idea of doing so without the cleaner, so I don't run it for very long and try to do so after it rains. There isn't any room for an air cleaner underneath the snow hood on my B&S Snow engine, other than that I could probably just get an air cleaner from a non-snow Intek engine. Anybody else have any ideas? I would not worry about it, unless you run the engine during sand storms! I run mine a few times a summer too. I doubt that there is enough dirt in the air to cause a problem running a few minutes during the summer. Greg |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:51:45 -0600, "Greg O"
wrote: | | wrote in message | oups.com... | I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20. | | No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the | summer? Is this normal for the industry? | | | Yep! I did small engine work for a few years, never saw a filter, screen or | anything on the carburetor intake. My guess is it would just get clogged | with snow anyway! | Neither my twenty year old Bolens or my two year old Toro have anything for | a intake filter. | Greg | | I have an 8-year-old MTD snowblower with a Techumsa engine and it doesn't have an air filter either. |
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Didn't you mean "add it to your neighbor's truck"?
-- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. .. .. "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Don Young" wrote: I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe valve sticking. Add it to your truck next time. |
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Yes. During the witner, all the dirt and dust is covered by snow. Not a
problem like summer time when you're whomping up the dust with a lawn mower. -- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. .. .. wrote in message oups.com... I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20. No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the summer? Is this normal for the industry? |
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