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Removing small roots from lawn
I'm transplanting some grass from healthy areas of my lawn that I'm trimming
back, to thin areas in several spots. The grass is thin and not really growing probably due to rocky soil (heavy gravel left there from preconstruction) and also probably due to shallow roots from some pines. If I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? |
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jeffc wrote:
I'm transplanting some grass from healthy areas of my lawn that I'm trimming back, to thin areas in several spots. The grass is thin and not really growing probably due to rocky soil (heavy gravel left there from preconstruction) and also probably due to shallow roots from some pines. If I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? are you trying to kill the trees? |
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"jeffc" wrote:
I'm transplanting some grass from healthy areas of my lawn that I'm trimming back, to thin areas in several spots. The grass is thin and not really growing probably due to rocky soil (heavy gravel left there from preconstruction) and also probably due to shallow roots from some pines. If I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? Why bother transplanting bad turf? Where do you live? |
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jeffc said:
I'm transplanting some grass from healthy areas of my lawn that I'm trimming back, to thin areas in several spots. The grass is thin and not really growing probably due to rocky soil (heavy gravel left there from preconstruction) And, you're transplanting some sort of 'magic' grass, that will ignore, and somehow overcome the fate of it's predecessor? and also probably due to shallow roots from some pines. If the pines are still there, I'd venture a guess that you'd find /most/ of their roots, "shallow". If I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? Why would you want to cut them out? They're there for a reason, you know. The trees' roots are shallow because that's where the food is (and the water, and the air, etc). If they're actually pines, that may be part of the problem. Pine needles can raise the acidity of the soil to levels that most grasses just can't tolerate. So, the transplanted sod will die for the same reasons the old sod was dying, and the trees will suffer damage, for no reason at all. Seems pretty much a waste of time, energy, and sod 'transplanted from the healthy areas of your lawn'. They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? Add some quality, fine compost, and maybe a bit of lime? (A soil test would be a good idea). Oh, and if you /really/ want nice turf under your pines, get a lawn vac that will pick up the needles. ;) -- Eggs Do Amish people get one phone call when arrested? |
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I have a lot of pines and very nice grass.
James Forgtaboutit. Grass and pines donut mix very well. |
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"James" wrote:
I have a lot of pines and very nice grass. James Forgtaboutit. Grass and pines donut mix very well. How high are the limbs over your nice grass? |
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For crissakes people, yes I know what roots are for. If you don't want to
answer the question, don't answer, but this is pretty annoying. |
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"Steveo" wrote in message ... "James" wrote: I have a lot of pines and very nice grass. James Forgtaboutit. Grass and pines donut mix very well. How high are the limbs over your nice grass? The limbs are very high over all the grass. 90% of the grass looks great. The grass only has small patches that are bad in an overall nice back lawn. The transplanting I've done so far has worked fine. I just need to get out some roots so I can dig out some of the gravel and get some good dirt in those patches. Everywhere there is decent soil the grass is doing fine. |
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jeffc said:
For crissakes people, yes I know what roots are for. If you don't want to answer the question, don't answer, but this is pretty annoying. Your question was answered. I also gave you an alternative solution, which would be more beneficial to your lawn, as well as your trees. Apparently, you missed it (or you're determined to damage your trees). -- Eggs -A conscience is what hurts when all of your other parts feel so good. |
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jeffc said:
I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? If you have to do it, use loppers. Or hand pruners, if you've got a strong grip. That's what I use for cutting out the roots of the damned white aspen that send up shoots all over the yard. (The neighbor is retired and doesn't have the resources to have them professionally taken down, and they are too large and leaning too much to make them safe for non-professionals.) Pick out bypass-cut loppers with the narrowest blades, the better to winkle them down into the dirt past the stones. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
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jeffc wrote:
I'm transplanting some grass from healthy areas of my lawn that I'm trimming back, to thin areas in several spots. The grass is thin and not really growing probably due to rocky soil (heavy gravel left there from preconstruction) and also probably due to shallow roots from some pines. If I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? If you don't care about the tree - they make pruning blades for sawzalls that really do a number on roots. They are about 8-10" long and go through dirt and roots with ease. I don't know about gravel and rocks. Maybe look for a carbide blade. -- Art |
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Abe said:
I'm transplanting some grass from healthy areas of my lawn that I'm trimming back, to thin areas in several spots. The grass is thin and not really growing probably due to rocky soil (heavy gravel left there from preconstruction) and also probably due to shallow roots from some pines. If I'm cutting up small areas (several feet square in several places) how do I best cut out these roots? They are 1/4" to maybe 3/4" in size. Tried a tree pruning saw but it curves the wrong way. Other saws, or something else altogether? A good sharp hand axe. You can't be serious. -- Eggs Show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground, and I'll show you a man who can't get his pants off. |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... jeffc said: For crissakes people, yes I know what roots are for. If you don't want to answer the question, don't answer, but this is pretty annoying. Your question was answered. I also gave you an alternative solution, which would be more beneficial to your lawn, as well as your trees. Apparently, you missed it (or you're determined to damage your trees). No, I don't need a lawn vac because pine needles aren't a problem. I don't need compost because the grass I'm transplanting comes with 3" of it's own "compost" - it's healthy grass with enough dirt underneath transplanted with it. This tactic has worked fine for me whenever I've tried it, and no it's not "magic" grass and no the transplanted grass doesn't "suffer the same fate". |
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Thank you for the helpful suggestions.
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jeffc said:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... jeffc said: For crissakes people, yes I know what roots are for. If you don't want to answer the question, don't answer, but this is pretty annoying. Your question was answered. I also gave you an alternative solution, which would be more beneficial to your lawn, as well as your trees. Apparently, you missed it (or you're determined to damage your trees). No, I don't need a lawn vac because pine needles aren't a problem. Sure they are. You just don't understand chemistry. That's cool. =) I don't need compost because the grass I'm transplanting comes with 3" of it's own "compost" - it's healthy grass with enough dirt underneath transplanted with it. Ok. Then why do you need to cut the roots? You should be able to just lay the sod right over them. It's the lesser of the two evils. You don't understand trees, either. This tactic has worked fine for me whenever I've tried it, and no it's not "magic" grass No shit? I was being facetious. and no the transplanted grass doesn't "suffer the same fate". It will, if you don't get a grip on the acidity. Of course, the falling tree could do more damage than the acid, I'll give ya that. -- Eggs -I started out with nothing... I still have most of it. |
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Eggs Zachtly wrote:
jeffc said: "Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... jeffc said: For crissakes people, yes I know what roots are for. If you don't want to answer the question, don't answer, but this is pretty annoying. Your question was answered. I also gave you an alternative solution, which would be more beneficial to your lawn, as well as your trees. Apparently, you missed it (or you're determined to damage your trees). No, I don't need a lawn vac because pine needles aren't a problem. Sure they are. You just don't understand chemistry. That's cool. =) I don't need compost because the grass I'm transplanting comes with 3" of it's own "compost" - it's healthy grass with enough dirt underneath transplanted with it. Ok. Then why do you need to cut the roots? You should be able to just lay the sod right over them. It's the lesser of the two evils. You don't understand trees, either. This tactic has worked fine for me whenever I've tried it, and no it's not "magic" grass No shit? I was being facetious. and no the transplanted grass doesn't "suffer the same fate". It will, if you don't get a grip on the acidity. Of course, the falling tree could do more damage than the acid, I'll give ya that. He's determined to do it "his way" and he doesn't want to hear that it's not good for the tree to cut the feeder roots or that the grass will probably die anyway. He just wants to know of an easy way to do it. Jeffc. Go rent a sidewalk edger. cut the roots in the pattern you want and then use the sod cutter to lift the feeder roots in sections. Then put down your sod and watch the grass and trees die. I've never done this but I'm sure it will work. Why do people have nice trees and then insist on killing them because they don't like what nature does? |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... I don't need compost because the grass I'm transplanting comes with 3" of it's own "compost" - it's healthy grass with enough dirt underneath transplanted with it. Ok. Then why do you need to cut the roots? You should be able to just lay the sod right over them. It's the lesser of the two evils. You don't understand trees, either. Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? and no the transplanted grass doesn't "suffer the same fate". It will, if you don't get a grip on the acidity. Of course, the falling tree could do more damage than the acid, I'll give ya that. No, it won't. Been working for years. You act like pine needles fall in one little 4 foot square on the lawn and magically avoid the rest. Frankly, you don't seem too bright. |
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"richard fiser" wrote in message ... Why do people have nice trees and then insist on killing them because they don't like what nature does? It's called "landscaping". Check it out sometime. |
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jeffc wrote:
"richard fiser" wrote in message ... Why do people have nice trees and then insist on killing them because they don't like what nature does? It's called "landscaping". Check it out sometime. Well, you seem to already know all the answers. Why bring it here? |
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jeffc said:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... I don't need compost because the grass I'm transplanting comes with 3" of it's own "compost" - it's healthy grass with enough dirt underneath transplanted with it. Ok. Then why do you need to cut the roots? You should be able to just lay the sod right over them. It's the lesser of the two evils. You don't understand trees, either. Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? I've probably laid more sod, in the past year, than you've laid in your entire life. I've never seen a sod farm pull 4" of soil on either a "big roll" or a pallet. Never. As in not one time. Sound's like *you're* the one that doesn't know how to 'transplant healthy grass'. and no the transplanted grass doesn't "suffer the same fate". It will, if you don't get a grip on the acidity. Of course, the falling tree could do more damage than the acid, I'll give ya that. No, it won't. Been working for years. Apparently not, if you're replacing sections of thinning sod. You act like pine needles fall in one little 4 foot square on the lawn and magically avoid the rest. You act like bent's kid. Are you related? Frankly, you don't seem too bright. Maybe I'm not. *shrug* But, at least I understand the interactions and reactions of different flora. That's quite a bit more than can be said for yourself. -- Eggs -If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. |
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jeffc said:
"richard fiser" wrote in message ... Why do people have nice trees and then insist on killing them because they don't like what nature does? It's called "landscaping". Check it out sometime. No, it's not. It's called ****-poor planning. "Landscaping" would entail mulching the trees out to their driplines. This would be the end of the dying and thinning grass problems, due to the pH of the soil being off, for the proper environment for the sod. But, I'm sure your trailer will look just fine with the grass around the dying trees. =) -- Eggs -A man walks into a bar with a slab of asphalt under his arm and says: "A beer please, and one for the road." |
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jeffc wrote:
Eggs Zachtly wrote: I don't need compost because the grass I'm transplanting comes with 3" of it's own "compost" - it's healthy grass with enough dirt underneath transplanted with it. Ok. Then why do you need to cut the roots? You should be able to just lay the sod right over them. It's the lesser of the two evils. You don't understand trees, either. Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? how long could a sod Farm continue as a sod Farm if they actually delivered sod with 4" of dirt attached? and no the transplanted grass doesn't "suffer the same fate". It will, if you don't get a grip on the acidity. Of course, the falling tree could do more damage than the acid, I'll give ya that. No, it won't. Been working for years. You act like pine needles fall in one little 4 foot square on the lawn and magically avoid the rest. Frankly, you don't seem too bright. I been reading Eggs for over a year and he is one of the very few posting in this group who actually displays an in-depth understanding for plant life. you jeffc on the other hand, well, thanks for the entertainment. |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... Why do people have nice trees and then insist on killing them because they don't like what nature does? It's called "landscaping". Check it out sometime. No, it's not. It's called ****-poor planning. "Landscaping" would entail mulching the trees out to their driplines. This would be the end of the dying and thinning grass problems, due to the pH of the soil being off, for the proper environment for the sod. You don't have a clue my friend. You didn't listen to a word I said and you have no idea what I'm talking about. You only want to say what your preconceived ideas are that fit your limited experience. Just stay out of the conversation next time. |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? I've probably laid more sod, in the past year, than you've laid in your entire life. I've never seen a sod farm pull 4" of soil on either a "big roll" or a pallet. Never. As in not one time. Sound's like *you're* the one that doesn't know how to 'transplant healthy grass'. I'm not a sod farm idiot. Sod farms don't transplant 4" of soil. I do. It captures 1) more "topsoil" 2) more healthy root of established grass I'm not transplanting rolls of sod, I'm transplanting small chunks by the shovel full to patch small areas. Frankly, you don't seem too bright. Maybe I'm not. *shrug* You're not. And you're close minded and presumptuous as well. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? how long could a sod Farm continue as a sod Farm if they actually delivered sod with 4" of dirt attached? I'm not a sod farm and I don't have to follow their rules. The more dirt you transplant with the healthy grass the better, especially since the soil is better than the soil it's replacing. Obviously they don't do it that way with sod farms. If you'd been paying attention, you'd understand the difference between what I'm trying to do and what a sod farm does. Use your head. |
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jeffc wrote:
Jim wrote: Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? how long could a sod Farm continue as a sod Farm if they actually delivered sod with 4" of dirt attached? I'm not a sod farm and I don't have to follow their rules. The more dirt you transplant with the healthy grass the better, especially since the soil is better than the soil it's replacing. Obviously they don't do it that way with sod farms. If you'd been paying attention, you'd understand the difference between what I'm trying to do and what a sod farm does. Use your head. your word selection of "Because the grass sod coming in" implies you are receiving a shipment of sod. |
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jeffc said:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... Why do people have nice trees and then insist on killing them because they don't like what nature does? It's called "landscaping". Check it out sometime. No, it's not. It's called ****-poor planning. "Landscaping" would entail mulching the trees out to their driplines. This would be the end of the dying and thinning grass problems, due to the pH of the soil being off, for the proper environment for the sod. You don't have a clue my friend. I have much more of a clue than you do, which becomes more obvious with each post you make. Keep entertaining us, please. You didn't listen to a word I said and you have no idea what I'm talking about. Oh, I've listened, with great amusement, to the fact that *you* have no idea what you're talking about. Again, this becomes more obvious with each post you make. You only want to say what your preconceived ideas are that fit your limited experience. My 'preconceived ideas' follow industry standards. Your 'preconceived ideas' begin and end in your own little, feeble mind. Your lack of experience with flora showed with your OP, and continues to show each time you hit the send button. Just stay out of the conversation next time. If you want me 'out of the conversation', killfile me. Otherwise, kiss my ass. I'll be in the conversation as long as you keep spewing drivel. -- Eggs Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone. |
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jeffc said:
I'm not a sod farm idiot. No, you're right. You're not an sod farm idiot. You're just an idiot. Sod farms don't transplant 4" of soil. I do. It captures 1) more "topsoil" 2) more healthy root of established grass I'm not transplanting rolls of sod, I'm transplanting small chunks by the shovel full to patch small areas. Frankly, you don't seem too bright. Maybe I'm not. *shrug* You're not. And you're close minded and presumptuous as well. No, that would be you. How many people have responded, agreeing with your method? How many have responded, telling you that your method is incorrect? Case closed. *You're* the closed minded, presumptuous idiot, not me. ;) -- Eggs Is Marx's tomb a communist plot? |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... If you want me 'out of the conversation', killfile me. Otherwise, kiss my ass. I'll be in the conversation as long as you keep spewing drivel. No clue whatsoever what the hell I'm talking about. Keep assuming, and posting bullshit. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Because the grass sod coming in has 4 inches of dirt with it, and I can't dig out 4" of dirt with the roots there. Do you understand how to transplant healthy grass? how long could a sod Farm continue as a sod Farm if they actually delivered sod with 4" of dirt attached? I'm not a sod farm and I don't have to follow their rules. The more dirt you transplant with the healthy grass the better, especially since the soil is better than the soil it's replacing. Obviously they don't do it that way with sod farms. If you'd been paying attention, you'd understand the difference between what I'm trying to do and what a sod farm does. Use your head. your word selection of "Because the grass sod coming in" implies you are receiving a shipment of sod. No, it doesn't. Nice try, but you're clueless too. |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... You're not. And you're close minded and presumptuous as well. No, that would be you. How many people have responded, agreeing with your method? How many have responded, telling you that your method is incorrect? Case closed. *You're* the closed minded, presumptuous idiot, not me. ;) You got out of your book learning and comfort so fast you have no chance of thinking on your feet. You have basically no idea of the situation. Keep spouting your canned BS though, you talk a good game. |
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jeffc wrote:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... You're not. And you're close minded and presumptuous as well. No, that would be you. How many people have responded, agreeing with your method? How many have responded, telling you that your method is incorrect? Case closed. *You're* the closed minded, presumptuous idiot, not me. ;) You got out of your book learning and comfort so fast you have no chance of thinking on your feet. You have basically no idea of the situation. Keep spouting your canned BS though, you talk a good game. Hey jackass. Why don't you tell us what the answer to your troll question is? When someone asks a question and then starts an argument about the answer he gets, he is obviously a troll. And trolls can be very entertaining. |
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"richard fiser" wrote in message ... Hey jackass. Why don't you tell us what the answer to your troll question is? I got good suggestions, and I said thanks for them. The actual trolls are Egghead and Dick. They had no interest in answering my question, just in telling me I was an idiot for asking. The reciprocating saw worked fine, by the way. |
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"jeffc" wrote:
"richard fiser" wrote in message ... Hey jackass. Why don't you tell us what the answer to your troll question is? I got good suggestions, and I said thanks for them. The actual trolls are Egghead and Dick. They had no interest in answering my question, just in telling me I was an idiot for asking. The reciprocating saw worked fine, by the way. Hello Jeff Eggs is one of the better posters in here, maybe it was just a mis-understanding between everyone. One thing is for certain, Eggs isn't a troll. Have a good weekend and good luck with your project. |
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... No need to defend me. They wanted a way to damage their tree (and haven't a cloo how to lay/transplant sod). I wouldn't give it to them. It ****ed them off. Too ****in' bad (for the tree, and the sod). If you think the way turf farms do it is actually the best way, you're nuts. They do it the way they do it because it's practical and economically feasible, not because it's ideal. I'm transplanting top soil as well as dirt, to spotty areas with poor top soil. It's obvious to everyone except the guy with a big ego investment after his blustery "contributions" to this thread. |
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jeffc wrote:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message ... No need to defend me. They wanted a way to damage their tree (and haven't a cloo how to lay/transplant sod). I wouldn't give it to them. It ****ed them off. Too ****in' bad (for the tree, and the sod). If you think the way turf farms do it is actually the best way, you're nuts. They do it the way they do it because it's practical and economically feasible, not because it's ideal. I'm transplanting top soil as well as dirt, to spotty areas with poor top soil. It's obvious to everyone except the guy with a big ego investment after his blustery "contributions" to this thread. Actually this wasn't about turf or how much topsoil you are replacing. It was about cutting and removing feeder roots from a healthy tree. The one point that was never touched on was how large of an area are you talking about and how many roots are you removing. If you are removing a few spots, say 2 ft by 2 ft, you might get away with it. If you are talking about removing the roots from half the canopy area, you are looking at killing the tree. The point is that, no matter how you do it, eventually you will have an area of dead grass and a dead tree. But it's your grass and your tree. Do what you like. You don't get the answer you want, then don't ask the question. Bye bye. I'm done with you. *Plonk* |
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Steveo said:
"jeffc" wrote: "richard fiser" wrote in message ... Hey jackass. Why don't you tell us what the answer to your troll question is? I got good suggestions, and I said thanks for them. The actual trolls are Egghead and Dick. They had no interest in answering my question, just in telling me I was an idiot for asking. The reciprocating saw worked fine, by the way. Hello Jeff Eggs is one of the better posters in here, maybe it was just a mis-understanding between everyone. One thing is for certain, Eggs isn't a troll. Have a good weekend and good luck with your project. No need to defend me. They wanted a way to damage their tree (and haven't a cloo how to lay/transplant sod). I wouldn't give it to them. It ****ed them off. Too ****in' bad (for the tree, and the sod). -- Eggs If swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales? |
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"richard fiser" wrote in message news:VO8vi.39773$Xa3.85@attbi_s22... Actually this wasn't about turf or how much topsoil you are replacing. It was about cutting and removing feeder roots from a healthy tree. Exactly. So why did he make it that? The one point that was never touched on was how large of an area are you talking about and how many roots are you removing. If you are removing a few spots, say 2 ft by 2 ft, you might get away with it. It was "touched upon" in my very first post, to wit: "several feet square" You don't get the answer you want, then don't ask the question. It wasn't that I didn't get an answer I liked, it's that he didn't answer the question I asked. He answered the question he wanted to sound like a know-it-all about. |
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