Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

On Sun, 10 May 2009 15:01:23 -0400, "James"
wrote:

I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


It would help to know what the hose is made of. The pictured black
hose may be made of EPDM rubber. If so it not recommended to use
with kerosene.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w.../product_6970_
20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a gear
pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems while
the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the ground...tank or
not.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w.../product_6970_
20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a gear
pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems while
the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the ground...tank or
not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned tank to
another privately owned tank on private property...privately, just to
clarify

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

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"Red Green" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in
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"Red Green" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my
tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose
like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...et/product_697
0_ 20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
ground...tank or not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
just to clarify




Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

"Red Green" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in :


"Red Green" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in
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"Red Green" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my
tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose
like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...et/product_697
0_ 20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
ground...tank or not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
just to clarify




Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

James wrote:
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose, and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

Why ?

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It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

75 gallons, twice a year. Can't drive a car down the mountain side to the
tank. Can get within 50 feet.

I thank everyone for their comments. I plan to try the garden hose, and
monitor its condition from year to year, and always monitor when I am
pumping , to assure there are no leaks, etc. I am in a remote place in the
mountains, and most inspectors could not find their way home if they ever
got to this place. Hee hee

Thanks again everyone.

james

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

"RBM" wrote in message
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"Red Green" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in :


"Red Green" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in
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"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in
:


"RBM" wrote in message
...

"James" wrote in message
...
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my
tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose
like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...et/product_697
0_ 20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
ground...tank or not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
just to clarify




Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.


Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to mention the fine.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

James wrote:
Why ?

----------------------

It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.


Usually you just call someone and they show up with a tank truck with a
pump and a hose on a hose reel all designed to dispense liquid fuels
into your tank.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

Maybe a gas pump, 12 volt, for transferring small ammounts
of liquid. And then pump it through neoprene gas line.

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Christopher A. Young
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"Larry The Snake Guy" wrote in message
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First of all, how much fuel, how often? Are a couple of
trips with a 5
gallon can realistic or are we talking hundreds/thousands of
gallons?

Next, is there any possibility of getting the trailer
closer?

If all else fails, you could buy fuel line from an auto
store for $1-2
a foot, and I'd bet you could probably order it for a bit
less.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

A couple thoughts come to mind. First, you don't want to
collapse the hose, and cut off your siphon action. I'd
suggest to build a tube out of PVC, and a couple elbows on
top, so that the garden hose doesn't have to go around a
corner. So the hose doesn't collapse flat. Make a "shephards
crook". You can adapt PVC to pipe thread with plastic
adaptors, and then to garden hose thread. Stick the crook /
cane tube into your tank. Use a shop vac or something
similar to start the siphon action.

I don't really know for sure. But maybe you can use a shop
vac to blow some air through the garden hose. Dry it out
when you're done. So the kerosene isn't in there, softening
the rubber in betweeen times.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"James" wrote in message
net...
75 gallons, twice a year. Can't drive a car down the
mountain side to the
tank. Can get within 50 feet.

I thank everyone for their comments. I plan to try the
garden hose, and
monitor its condition from year to year, and always monitor
when I am
pumping , to assure there are no leaks, etc. I am in a
remote place in the
mountains, and most inspectors could not find their way home
if they ever
got to this place. Hee hee

Thanks again everyone.

james

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

Cwatters wrote:

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.


Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of
their heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has
taken a two weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to
mention the fine.

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great lengths to put a
bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

On May 12, 8:51*am, "Cwatters"
wrote:

Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to mention the fine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes that can happen. Especially in an urban area. In more rural areas
it is amazing how far leaked oil can travel, polluting drinking wells
along the way! In one case here the large hole (many dump truck
loads) that had to be excavated to remove oil polluted soil was used
to build a basement onto which a rentable extension to the house was
built.
One failure mode (of outside tanks) has been when unprotected oil
lines have snapped off due to ice and snow, thus leaking the oil onto
the ground. Where tanks have leaked (usually due to internal rusting)
inside a house it has soaked into concrete basements floors. The smell
(and possibly health hazard?) never goes away.
Regulations for installation of oil tanks has been improved and that
along with greater use of electricity, due here to lower cost, is
reducing the hazard. Oil leakage insurance can be expensive even when
the oil tank replacement has been done in an approved/certified
manner.
There have been a few hospitalizations (in a population of 500,000
persons) due to ingesting oil. And problem is that once a well has
been polluted it may be years, if ever before, it is fit for use
again..

Garden Hose for transfer of K1 Oil ?
 

HeyBub wrote in message
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Cwatters wrote:

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.

Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of
their heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has
taken a two weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to
mention the fine.

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great
lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water that's been
poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there to force that individual to
clean up the mess he created.

The Ranger