Time to put down diazinon?
 

The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

There are several other products that will do a better job than diazinon.
Diazinon is a very broad spectrum type of insecticide and you will kill many
off target insects ie beneficial mites and such. I was thinking diazinon
was on the hit list of products to be delisted anyway.

Try another product such as Merit. It will give you control later this
season when the new larvae hatch. It's very safe on the pets and doesn't
have near the smell also.

--
Baine


"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Siouxzi wrote:

The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Yes - aren't the moles wonderful for eating up the beetle larvae? :)

[snip]

--
Susan Hogarth
http://www.ncliberty.net

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?


Spring just happened last week and it is 13 weeks long. No this is
early spring. I would say late spring is more like Memorial day.

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue


--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Siouxzi wrote:
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

DO NOT DO IT!!!!! I'm not an eco freak, but diazanon is one of those
chemicals that I will not use, expecially in a large area like a lawn.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , C G wrote:
Siouxzi wrote:
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

DO NOT DO IT!!!!! I'm not an eco freak, but diazanon is one of those
chemicals that I will not use, expecially in a large area like a lawn.


It is strong stuff. I bought a bag of it but transfer to the original
sprinkle can I bought many years ago. I selectively use it to keep the
wood ants under control. That stuff gives my tongue a tingling sensation
if I stay around it too long. I try to sprinkle at the end of the day
and get out of the yard.

--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

You might want to wade through this:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon.htm

There is a lot of info there.

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

You might want to wade through this:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon.htm

There is a lot of info there.

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

I'm no authority on Japanese Beetles (or much else for that matter), we
haven't had much of a problem with them here, but there are some
eco-friendlier options listed he

http://www.planetnatural.com/japanes...e_control.html

Also here is a good site to see what the deal is with various pesticides if
you want to research the stuff they sell in Lowes, HD and other garden
places before buying:

http://pesticide.org/

For example Bayer makes some sort of grub control stuff for lawns. According
to the label the active ingredient is Imidacloprid (Merit) which you can
look up on the pesticide.org site in their publications section:

http://www.pesticide.org/imidacloprid.pdf

There you can find all the fun facts that Bayer isn't telling you on its
label.

I've heard that the bag lure traps just attract more JBs to your lot than
they catch so they're probably a bad idea.

I saw something in the Southern Living Garden book (my current favorite
gardening book) the other night about Japanese Beetle control but I think
most of it is covered in the Planet Natural stuff. I could check after work
and post it here if it is different.

It might be interesting to ask at some nurseries as to how they deal with
various pests like Japanese Beetles since they have a good deal to lose from
an infestation. I'd imagine they're blasting them with chemicals but there
might be some who take an alternative approach.

Good luck,

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

I'm no authority on Japanese Beetles (or much else for that matter), we
haven't had much of a problem with them here, but there are some
eco-friendlier options listed he

http://www.planetnatural.com/japanes...e_control.html

Also here is a good site to see what the deal is with various pesticides if
you want to research the stuff they sell in Lowes, HD and other garden
places before buying:

http://pesticide.org/

For example Bayer makes some sort of grub control stuff for lawns. According
to the label the active ingredient is Imidacloprid (Merit) which you can
look up on the pesticide.org site in their publications section:

http://www.pesticide.org/imidacloprid.pdf

There you can find all the fun facts that Bayer isn't telling you on its
label.

I've heard that the bag lure traps just attract more JBs to your lot than
they catch so they're probably a bad idea.

I saw something in the Southern Living Garden book (my current favorite
gardening book) the other night about Japanese Beetle control but I think
most of it is covered in the Planet Natural stuff. I could check after work
and post it here if it is different.

It might be interesting to ask at some nurseries as to how they deal with
various pests like Japanese Beetles since they have a good deal to lose from
an infestation. I'd imagine they're blasting them with chemicals but there
might be some who take an alternative approach.

Good luck,

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Sometimes it's just best to grin and bear it. The moles will get their
share. You're probably near a wooded area and will continue to have mole
problems even if you treat for grubs.

--
Baine


"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Sometimes it's just best to grin and bear it. The moles will get their
share. You're probably near a wooded area and will continue to have mole
problems even if you treat for grubs.

--
Baine


"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.


Remember treating your own yard is not a solution. You are surrounded
by yards that are not treated. Sevin dust will keep them back. Even the
beetle bait will not work unless everyone uses it. In fact it may
attract more to your yard. If I remember the milky spore takes a few
years to get to the whole yard. But if you have a pretty yellow flower
the beetle that hatched in your neighbors yard will head straight for
for it.
I have heard some people just go out with a bucket of soapy water and
shake the plants causing most of the beetles to fall in the water and
drown. If you spread a tarp then you could catch more and put in the
water. The are clumsy and fall off a plant easily.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
. ..
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue




--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.


Remember treating your own yard is not a solution. You are surrounded
by yards that are not treated. Sevin dust will keep them back. Even the
beetle bait will not work unless everyone uses it. In fact it may
attract more to your yard. If I remember the milky spore takes a few
years to get to the whole yard. But if you have a pretty yellow flower
the beetle that hatched in your neighbors yard will head straight for
for it.
I have heard some people just go out with a bucket of soapy water and
shake the plants causing most of the beetles to fall in the water and
drown. If you spread a tarp then you could catch more and put in the
water. The are clumsy and fall off a plant easily.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
. ..
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue




--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Thanks, Robert... I am pretty sure that the beetle traps do NOT work,
and simply attract all the beetles from miles around. We filled bag
after bag one year and still had our grape vines decimated. And it
doesn't help the lawn, of course, since that's grubs...

Back to Lowes for alternatives. I will check on the Bayer stuff. It
looks likely that diazinon will eventually be banned...

Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:46:29 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

I'm no authority on Japanese Beetles (or much else for that matter), we
haven't had much of a problem with them here, but there are some
eco-friendlier options listed he

http://www.planetnatural.com/japanes...e_control.html

Also here is a good site to see what the deal is with various pesticides if
you want to research the stuff they sell in Lowes, HD and other garden
places before buying:

http://pesticide.org/

For example Bayer makes some sort of grub control stuff for lawns. According
to the label the active ingredient is Imidacloprid (Merit) which you can
look up on the pesticide.org site in their publications section:

http://www.pesticide.org/imidacloprid.pdf

There you can find all the fun facts that Bayer isn't telling you on its
label.

I've heard that the bag lure traps just attract more JBs to your lot than
they catch so they're probably a bad idea.

I saw something in the Southern Living Garden book (my current favorite
gardening book) the other night about Japanese Beetle control but I think
most of it is covered in the Planet Natural stuff. I could check after work
and post it here if it is different.

It might be interesting to ask at some nurseries as to how they deal with
various pests like Japanese Beetles since they have a good deal to lose from
an infestation. I'd imagine they're blasting them with chemicals but there
might be some who take an alternative approach.

Good luck,

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Thanks, Robert... I am pretty sure that the beetle traps do NOT work,
and simply attract all the beetles from miles around. We filled bag
after bag one year and still had our grape vines decimated. And it
doesn't help the lawn, of course, since that's grubs...

Back to Lowes for alternatives. I will check on the Bayer stuff. It
looks likely that diazinon will eventually be banned...

Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:46:29 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

I'm no authority on Japanese Beetles (or much else for that matter), we
haven't had much of a problem with them here, but there are some
eco-friendlier options listed he

http://www.planetnatural.com/japanes...e_control.html

Also here is a good site to see what the deal is with various pesticides if
you want to research the stuff they sell in Lowes, HD and other garden
places before buying:

http://pesticide.org/

For example Bayer makes some sort of grub control stuff for lawns. According
to the label the active ingredient is Imidacloprid (Merit) which you can
look up on the pesticide.org site in their publications section:

http://www.pesticide.org/imidacloprid.pdf

There you can find all the fun facts that Bayer isn't telling you on its
label.

I've heard that the bag lure traps just attract more JBs to your lot than
they catch so they're probably a bad idea.

I saw something in the Southern Living Garden book (my current favorite
gardening book) the other night about Japanese Beetle control but I think
most of it is covered in the Planet Natural stuff. I could check after work
and post it here if it is different.

It might be interesting to ask at some nurseries as to how they deal with
various pests like Japanese Beetles since they have a good deal to lose from
an infestation. I'd imagine they're blasting them with chemicals but there
might be some who take an alternative approach.

Good luck,

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

I agree, Wes. But controlling the beetles on our vegetable garden is
not such a big problem. They damaged the grape vines but Sevin dust
did the trick on them.

It's the lawn... the beetle grubs and the moles have caused grass to
die and chickweed/moss/other stuff to take over.

Baine, we do live surrounded by woods, and I'm very willing to grin
and bear the moles and grubs and patchy lawn, but hubby is not!

Cheers
Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:46:53 GMT, wrote:

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.


Remember treating your own yard is not a solution. You are surrounded
by yards that are not treated. Sevin dust will keep them back. Even the
beetle bait will not work unless everyone uses it. In fact it may
attract more to your yard. If I remember the milky spore takes a few
years to get to the whole yard. But if you have a pretty yellow flower
the beetle that hatched in your neighbors yard will head straight for
for it.
I have heard some people just go out with a bucket of soapy water and
shake the plants causing most of the beetles to fall in the water and
drown. If you spread a tarp then you could catch more and put in the
water. The are clumsy and fall off a plant easily.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

I agree, Wes. But controlling the beetles on our vegetable garden is
not such a big problem. They damaged the grape vines but Sevin dust
did the trick on them.

It's the lawn... the beetle grubs and the moles have caused grass to
die and chickweed/moss/other stuff to take over.

Baine, we do live surrounded by woods, and I'm very willing to grin
and bear the moles and grubs and patchy lawn, but hubby is not!

Cheers
Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:46:53 GMT, wrote:

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.


Remember treating your own yard is not a solution. You are surrounded
by yards that are not treated. Sevin dust will keep them back. Even the
beetle bait will not work unless everyone uses it. In fact it may
attract more to your yard. If I remember the milky spore takes a few
years to get to the whole yard. But if you have a pretty yellow flower
the beetle that hatched in your neighbors yard will head straight for
for it.
I have heard some people just go out with a bucket of soapy water and
shake the plants causing most of the beetles to fall in the water and
drown. If you spread a tarp then you could catch more and put in the
water. The are clumsy and fall off a plant easily.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

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In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert... I am pretty sure that the beetle traps do NOT work,
and simply attract all the beetles from miles around. We filled bag
after bag one year and still had our grape vines decimated

As you note, the bags DO work in attracting the beetles. The best suggestion
I've heard is to buy lots of bags, and give them to your neighbors. That way,
the beetles will leave your bushes alone. :-)

-don

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In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert... I am pretty sure that the beetle traps do NOT work,
and simply attract all the beetles from miles around. We filled bag
after bag one year and still had our grape vines decimated

As you note, the bags DO work in attracting the beetles. The best suggestion
I've heard is to buy lots of bags, and give them to your neighbors. That way,
the beetles will leave your bushes alone. :-)

-don

Time to put down diazinon?
 

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As Baine suggested earlier, the better choice is Merit (imidacloprid) which
Bayer sells the "Bayer Advanced" label at Lowes, HD, etc. However,
as Baine also said, it works best against smaller grubs, which would mean
applying it closer to June-July when you see adults. It has about 90 days
of
activity so you have a wide window of opportunity to apply. Applying it now
has marginal value for grub control. If you want less toxic alternative
(compared
to diazinon) for now, you might consider using the nematodesl. However if
we
keep the trend of low rainfall, you'll need to water the lawn before and
after (right
after and again in 1-2 days) you make your application or the nematodes
won't
survive.


"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Robert... I am pretty sure that the beetle traps do NOT work,
and simply attract all the beetles from miles around. We filled bag
after bag one year and still had our grape vines decimated. And it
doesn't help the lawn, of course, since that's grubs...

Back to Lowes for alternatives. I will check on the Bayer stuff. It
looks likely that diazinon will eventually be banned...

Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:46:29 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

I'm no authority on Japanese Beetles (or much else for that matter), we
haven't had much of a problem with them here, but there are some
eco-friendlier options listed he

http://www.planetnatural.com/japanes...e_control.html

Also here is a good site to see what the deal is with various pesticides
if
you want to research the stuff they sell in Lowes, HD and other garden
places before buying:

http://pesticide.org/

For example Bayer makes some sort of grub control stuff for lawns.
According
to the label the active ingredient is Imidacloprid (Merit) which you can
look up on the pesticide.org site in their publications section:

http://www.pesticide.org/imidacloprid.pdf

There you can find all the fun facts that Bayer isn't telling you on its
label.

I've heard that the bag lure traps just attract more JBs to your lot than
they catch so they're probably a bad idea.

I saw something in the Southern Living Garden book (my current favorite
gardening book) the other night about Japanese Beetle control but I think
most of it is covered in the Planet Natural stuff. I could check after
work
and post it here if it is different.

It might be interesting to ask at some nurseries as to how they deal with
various pests like Japanese Beetles since they have a good deal to lose
from
an infestation. I'd imagine they're blasting them with chemicals but
there
might be some who take an alternative approach.

Good luck,

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last
year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked
in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a
log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

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As Baine suggested earlier, the better choice is Merit (imidacloprid) which
Bayer sells the "Bayer Advanced" label at Lowes, HD, etc. However,
as Baine also said, it works best against smaller grubs, which would mean
applying it closer to June-July when you see adults. It has about 90 days
of
activity so you have a wide window of opportunity to apply. Applying it now
has marginal value for grub control. If you want less toxic alternative
(compared
to diazinon) for now, you might consider using the nematodesl. However if
we
keep the trend of low rainfall, you'll need to water the lawn before and
after (right
after and again in 1-2 days) you make your application or the nematodes
won't
survive.


"Siouxzi" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Robert... I am pretty sure that the beetle traps do NOT work,
and simply attract all the beetles from miles around. We filled bag
after bag one year and still had our grape vines decimated. And it
doesn't help the lawn, of course, since that's grubs...

Back to Lowes for alternatives. I will check on the Bayer stuff. It
looks likely that diazinon will eventually be banned...

Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:46:29 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

I'm no authority on Japanese Beetles (or much else for that matter), we
haven't had much of a problem with them here, but there are some
eco-friendlier options listed he

http://www.planetnatural.com/japanes...e_control.html

Also here is a good site to see what the deal is with various pesticides
if
you want to research the stuff they sell in Lowes, HD and other garden
places before buying:

http://pesticide.org/

For example Bayer makes some sort of grub control stuff for lawns.
According
to the label the active ingredient is Imidacloprid (Merit) which you can
look up on the pesticide.org site in their publications section:

http://www.pesticide.org/imidacloprid.pdf

There you can find all the fun facts that Bayer isn't telling you on its
label.

I've heard that the bag lure traps just attract more JBs to your lot than
they catch so they're probably a bad idea.

I saw something in the Southern Living Garden book (my current favorite
gardening book) the other night about Japanese Beetle control but I think
most of it is covered in the Planet Natural stuff. I could check after
work
and post it here if it is different.

It might be interesting to ask at some nurseries as to how they deal with
various pests like Japanese Beetles since they have a good deal to lose
from
an infestation. I'd imagine they're blasting them with chemicals but
there
might be some who take an alternative approach.

Good luck,

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
.. .
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last
year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked
in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a
log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue

Time to put down diazinon?
 

One of the things I have been led to understand about Milky Spore is
that it does not outright kill the grubs in their tracks. It stops them
from metamorphosing into beetles. One of the ways I have been told to
see if it's working is to look at grubs that you turn up in the yard -
if they're an opaque milky white, they're infected which is a good thing.

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

Time to put down diazinon?
 

One of the things I have been led to understand about Milky Spore is
that it does not outright kill the grubs in their tracks. It stops them
from metamorphosing into beetles. One of the ways I have been told to
see if it's working is to look at grubs that you turn up in the yard -
if they're an opaque milky white, they're infected which is a good thing.

Susan
shsimko[@]duke[.]edu

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
I agree, Wes. But controlling the beetles on our vegetable garden is
not such a big problem. They damaged the grape vines but Sevin dust
did the trick on them.

It's the lawn... the beetle grubs and the moles have caused grass to
die and chickweed/moss/other stuff to take over.

Baine, we do live surrounded by woods, and I'm very willing to grin
and bear the moles and grubs and patchy lawn, but hubby is not!


OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.

Oh yes signs of moss say you need lime, better drainage or more sunshine
or all 3.
Cheers
Sue

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:46:53 GMT, wrote:

In article , Siouxzi wrote:
Thanks, Robert. and Wes I am going to insist that we not use it--it
scared me even before I read this stuff. We've got little puppies
playing in the yard right now.

So now the question is... what do we do about the Japanese beetles??
The milky spore is not working--and that stuff cost a bloody fortune,
BTW. I think part of our problem is clay and lack of good drainage,
but it's just not feasible to fix that entirely.


Remember treating your own yard is not a solution. You are surrounded
by yards that are not treated. Sevin dust will keep them back. Even the
beetle bait will not work unless everyone uses it. In fact it may
attract more to your yard. If I remember the milky spore takes a few
years to get to the whole yard. But if you have a pretty yellow flower
the beetle that hatched in your neighbors yard will head straight for
for it.
I have heard some people just go out with a bucket of soapy water and
shake the plants causing most of the beetles to fall in the water and
drown. If you spread a tarp then you could catch more and put in the
water. The are clumsy and fall off a plant easily.

Sue

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:21 GMT, "Robert"
wrote:

and specifically this pdf:

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/op/diazinon/water.pdf

Robert

"Siouxzi" wrote in message
m...
The japanese beetles destroyed a lot of our garden and lawn last year,
and we put down milky spore (expensive, ouch!) but it hasn't kicked in
yet, judging by the grubs that I have found whenever I turn over a log
or dig under the turf. And our lawn has become thin and full of
chickweed, not to mention moles.

Hubby is insisting on putting diazinon on the grass. The bag says
apply in 'late spring' --is it time?

I'm worried about my dogs... how long do I have to keep them off the
grass?

Thanks
Sue





--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Wes, why do you tie the trap to a string? To make it easier to remove the
mole from the trap? I may have to try your method, as moles have taken over
my front yard -- at least the dogs can't get to that part of the yard to
dig up the moles!

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

wrote in message

OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Wes, why do you tie the trap to a string? To make it easier to remove the
mole from the trap? I may have to try your method, as moles have taken over
my front yard -- at least the dogs can't get to that part of the yard to
dig up the moles!

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

wrote in message

OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Anne Lurie wrote:
Wes, why do you tie the trap to a string? To make it easier to remove the
mole from the trap? I may have to try your method, as moles have taken over
my front yard -- at least the dogs can't get to that part of the yard to
dig up the moles!


Well I used small chain cause a couple traps "walked" away when only a
leg was trapped. String might get chewed thru.
Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

wrote in message

OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.





--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Anne Lurie wrote:
Wes, why do you tie the trap to a string? To make it easier to remove the
mole from the trap? I may have to try your method, as moles have taken over
my front yard -- at least the dogs can't get to that part of the yard to
dig up the moles!


Well I used small chain cause a couple traps "walked" away when only a
leg was trapped. String might get chewed thru.
Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

wrote in message

OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.





--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

Wes, why do you tie the trap to a string? To make it easier to remove the
mole from the trap? I may have to try your method, as moles have taken over
my front yard -- at least the dogs can't get to that part of the yard to
dig up the moles!

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

wrote in message

OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.

Time to put down diazinon?
 

In article , Anne Lurie wrote:
Wes, why do you tie the trap to a string? To make it easier to remove the
mole from the trap? I may have to try your method, as moles have taken over
my front yard -- at least the dogs can't get to that part of the yard to
dig up the moles!


Well I used small chain cause a couple traps "walked" away when only a
leg was trapped. String might get chewed thru.
Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

wrote in message

OK so the grubs are attracting the moles which are causing the damage.
Have you tried trapping the moles? A bucket, a mousetrap, a 1x1x12, a
brick and a peanut and peanut butter. My inlaws in banner elk caught
hundreds one summer after building their home. Bait the trap with a
peanut and smear on a bit of peanut butter. Put the trap on the ground.
I tie mine to a string and a large nut (old lug nuts work). Put the
bucket upside down over the trap with the stick under one side. PUt the
brick on the bucket to keep it from blowing over. Place near tunnels
espcially areas where you may see an exit hole. My inlaws used large
flower pots too. After the milky spore takes effect you will have
fewer grubs but the moles may still make incursions and need trapping.





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