What do you think about this Catt!
Hello everyone!
is this Catt easy to grow? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ME:B:FSEL:CA:1 thanks -- Claude www.picturetrail.com/phalguy Remove NOSPAM to reply |
I would ask if the vendor can provide the parents of this grex. It is not
my up to date wildcat. It is pretty "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123799421.e431d294bf1da65dedb1ad72c10047cc@t eranews... Hello everyone! is this Catt easy to grow? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ME:B:FSEL:CA:1 thanks -- Claude www.picturetrail.com/phalguy Remove NOSPAM to reply |
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:43:41 -0400, "Al" wrote:
I would ask if the vendor can provide the parents of this grex. It is not my up to date wildcat. It is pretty "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123799421.e431d294bf1da65dedb1ad72c10047cc@ teranews... Hello everyone! is this Catt easy to grow? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ME:B:FSEL:CA:1 thanks -- Claude There are 13 different Netrasiri xxxxx in the various Catt hybrids Blc etc. But none are Waxy according to RHS. He suggests an AM/AOS with his clone name and AM hanging on the end. He should be able to give you the parents and some information about the clone. He can not be selling the entire clone... or he could but at auction? What is this a back bulb, or a lead? Where is the plant photo? When did it bloom (beautiful flower)? You might be able to get an answer from him. Good luck. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered
hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. -danny "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:43:41 -0400, "Al" wrote: I would ask if the vendor can provide the parents of this grex. It is not my up to date wildcat. It is pretty "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123799421.e431d294bf1da65dedb1ad72c10047cc @teranews... Hello everyone! is this Catt easy to grow? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ME:B:FSEL:CA:1 thanks -- Claude There are 13 different Netrasiri xxxxx in the various Catt hybrids Blc etc. But none are Waxy according to RHS. He suggests an AM/AOS with his clone name and AM hanging on the end. He should be able to give you the parents and some information about the clone. He can not be selling the entire clone... or he could but at auction? What is this a back bulb, or a lead? Where is the plant photo? When did it bloom (beautiful flower)? You might be able to get an answer from him. Good luck. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny"
wrote: Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. -danny Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a beautiful waxy flower. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Here`s the answer from the vendor:
Hi Sorry we do not have the parentage of this hybrid as it is an unregistered hybrid. Thanks So, to all Catt growers, this one should not be very hard to grow? I`m totally new to this species ! Thanks again Claude "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
PhalGuy wrote:
Hello everyone! is this Catt easy to grow? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ME:B:FSEL:CA:1 thanks Hi Claude, My fist thought was that it looks easy. That's kind of silly because I am basing that on the fact that the couple of dark waxy Catts that I own are pretty easy. Now that I've looked around the internet, I would almost bet that the vendor selling it doesn't really know what it is. You might ask anyway. Danny is right about the AM maybe not being an AOS award. Even if the seller says it is, I bet he's guessing. If he knew it was an AM/AOS he would say so and so would all the other sellers in the internet. They all just list it with AM if they list any award at all. One other thing. A slight majority of the internet sites, including most sellers, list it as an LC not a C. For example: http://lazydazeorchids.com/detail.asp?offset=40&ID=94 That's obviously the same flower. I think you are going to have to use the same logic that most of us use: I like it, I want it, I'm going to buy it and figure out the details later. Maybe you'll get lucky and be out bid! :-) Steve |
Leave off the C., it is an Lc. I just used Netrasiri and Jairug for the
search terms. -danny "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" wrote: Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. -danny Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a beautiful waxy flower. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Hello Again!
Can a plant get an AM without beeing registered? Anyway, the flower is pretty neat! I really like it... Ah what the heck ..... Another one !!!! :-) thanks Claude "danny" wrote in message ... | Leave off the C., it is an Lc. I just used Netrasiri and Jairug for the | search terms. | -danny | | "Susan Erickson" wrote in message | ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php | | |
PhalGuy wrote:
Hello Again! Can a plant get an AM without beeing registered? ......... ........... It can't get an AM/AOS without being registered. Well it can, but if it get the award it needs to get registered real soon or the award goes away. Steve |
Claude,
Catts need considerably more light than do the phals you grow. Do you have the conditions for it? -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123815475.e63b050120e5061eddd08b6bef6f44b2@t eranews... Hello Again! Can a plant get an AM without beeing registered? Anyway, the flower is pretty neat! I really like it... Ah what the heck .... Another one !!!! :-) thanks Claude "danny" wrote in message ... | Leave off the C., it is an Lc. I just used Netrasiri and Jairug for the | search terms. | -danny | | "Susan Erickson" wrote in message | ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php | | |
PhalGuy wrote:
Hello everyone! is this Catt easy to grow? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ME:B:FSEL:CA:1 thanks I'm quite happy with my Lc. Loog Tone "African Beauty"... http://littlefrogfarm.com/images/Lc_...can_Beauty.jpg Not the worlds best picture, but a very heavy substance (waxy, even), and excellent color. Why is this relevant? This is a cross using Netrasiri Doll (same breeding program). Anyway, this line of breeding seems to be quite nice. Although my plants is a little bigger than you might want to try under lights. The plant itself is over a foot tall, and the spike is on top of that... Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
An unregistered hybrid would NOT have the name
CATTLEYA NETRASIRI WAXY `Jairug` AM, it WOULD have the parentage listed in parentheses. This vendor fails orchid name reading/writing 101. I don't think he/she even opened the book once during the semester. I bet the instructor can not even remember seeing them in class. Kultana orchids is selling hybrids made using C. Netrasiri Waxy as a parent, as are a few others, according to the internet. Tropic 1 Orchids is selling Lc. Netrasiri Waxy 'Jairug' [Lc. Netrasiri Doll x C. Netrasiri Fireball]. There are discrepancies here and I think this will be a question on the next exam. C. Chocolate Drop is a grandparent from both sides in the Tropic 1 Lc. hybrid making it more likely to be the correct parentage of a hybrid that my Wildcatt Feb 2005 update says is unregistered. You just want to know if it is hard to grow. If you are able to bloom and flower the average cattleya hybrid, then you can probably bring this plant into bloom. If this is the parentage a nice select clone will probably ultimately reach about 2 feet tall and have large clusters of these flowers. It is pretty. "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123814007.5d19638cdcaa1e08936e2be3f5c35f09@t eranews... Here`s the answer from the vendor: Hi Sorry we do not have the parentage of this hybrid as it is an unregistered hybrid. Thanks So, to all Catt growers, this one should not be very hard to grow? I`m totally new to this species ! Thanks again Claude "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Thanks for the info, Al. Once again we see the downfall of western
civilazation as we know it. How 2 well known orchid vendors could sell much less hybridize with unregistered orchid *and put that on their tag!* is beyond me. Just too lazy to write it right, I guess. I went through my AQs and there isn't an AM from the AOS published yet. Granted it could still be in the works, but the award would still be provisional until the name Netrasiri Waxy was registered. Now, if somone wanted to teach these idiots a lesson, they could pony up the $7 bucks for the RHS and name the cross themselves since the owners haven't done so. I suggest Lc. K Barrett. Then the award would HAVE to read Lc K Barrett 'Jairung' AM/AOS and the breeding program would HAVE to list Lc. K Barrett as a parent. Neener neener to Netrasiri. They lose out! K Barrett "Al" wrote in message ... An unregistered hybrid would NOT have the name CATTLEYA NETRASIRI WAXY `Jairug` AM, it WOULD have the parentage listed in parentheses. This vendor fails orchid name reading/writing 101. I don't think he/she even opened the book once during the semester. I bet the instructor can not even remember seeing them in class. Kultana orchids is selling hybrids made using C. Netrasiri Waxy as a parent, as are a few others, according to the internet. Tropic 1 Orchids is selling Lc. Netrasiri Waxy 'Jairug' [Lc. Netrasiri Doll x C. Netrasiri Fireball]. There are discrepancies here and I think this will be a question on the next exam. C. Chocolate Drop is a grandparent from both sides in the Tropic 1 Lc. hybrid making it more likely to be the correct parentage of a hybrid that my Wildcatt Feb 2005 update says is unregistered. You just want to know if it is hard to grow. If you are able to bloom and flower the average cattleya hybrid, then you can probably bring this plant into bloom. If this is the parentage a nice select clone will probably ultimately reach about 2 feet tall and have large clusters of these flowers. It is pretty. "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123814007.5d19638cdcaa1e08936e2be3f5c35f09@t eranews... Here`s the answer from the vendor: Hi Sorry we do not have the parentage of this hybrid as it is an unregistered hybrid. Thanks So, to all Catt growers, this one should not be very hard to grow? I`m totally new to this species ! Thanks again Claude "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really nothing
but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced. When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the mail from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird that way. "K Barrett" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info, Al. Once again we see the downfall of western civilazation as we know it. How 2 well known orchid vendors could sell much less hybridize with unregistered orchid *and put that on their tag!* is beyond me. Just too lazy to write it right, I guess. I went through my AQs and there isn't an AM from the AOS published yet. Granted it could still be in the works, but the award would still be provisional until the name Netrasiri Waxy was registered. Now, if somone wanted to teach these idiots a lesson, they could pony up the $7 bucks for the RHS and name the cross themselves since the owners haven't done so. I suggest Lc. K Barrett. Then the award would HAVE to read Lc K Barrett 'Jairung' AM/AOS and the breeding program would HAVE to list Lc. K Barrett as a parent. Neener neener to Netrasiri. They lose out! K Barrett "Al" wrote in message ... An unregistered hybrid would NOT have the name CATTLEYA NETRASIRI WAXY `Jairug` AM, it WOULD have the parentage listed in parentheses. This vendor fails orchid name reading/writing 101. I don't think he/she even opened the book once during the semester. I bet the instructor can not even remember seeing them in class. Kultana orchids is selling hybrids made using C. Netrasiri Waxy as a parent, as are a few others, according to the internet. Tropic 1 Orchids is selling Lc. Netrasiri Waxy 'Jairug' [Lc. Netrasiri Doll x C. Netrasiri Fireball]. There are discrepancies here and I think this will be a question on the next exam. C. Chocolate Drop is a grandparent from both sides in the Tropic 1 Lc. hybrid making it more likely to be the correct parentage of a hybrid that my Wildcatt Feb 2005 update says is unregistered. You just want to know if it is hard to grow. If you are able to bloom and flower the average cattleya hybrid, then you can probably bring this plant into bloom. If this is the parentage a nice select clone will probably ultimately reach about 2 feet tall and have large clusters of these flowers. It is pretty. "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123814007.5d19638cdcaa1e08936e2be3f5c35f09@t eranews... Here`s the answer from the vendor: Hi Sorry we do not have the parentage of this hybrid as it is an unregistered hybrid. Thanks So, to all Catt growers, this one should not be very hard to grow? I`m totally new to this species ! Thanks again Claude "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Al wrote:
Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really nothing but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced. When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the mail from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird that way. Of course if you don't pay for your awards, you get 'black-listed' and cannot receive any more awards. Eventually the judging center figures out who you are... *grin* So there is some incentive to play by the rules. It is my experience that a lot of the plants from exotic locales are lucky to have any cross information at all. The growers make zillions of crosses. They don't register them all (that costs money). I'd wager that most of these growers would be happy for you to pay the registration fee. -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Recently, Martin Motes got an Award of Quality on a cross he made with his
grape purple V tessellata (this ties in with your picture of the V tessellata you are taking care of for your friend). He also got a few awards on the cross at the same time. He went to register the cross and was shocked to find that the cross had already been registered, so he made all the clonal names slightly laughing at the person who named the cross. 'Ha Ha Hatos' comes to mind. Supposedly the person registering the cross is supposed to make every effort to find out who created the hybrid and get their permission to register it. But of course, in these days gentlepersonly behavior is dead, that doesn't happen and the creator of the cross is marked in the register as o/u - originator unknown. One hybridizer here in the Bay Area has had this happen a few times to him too. It ticks him off, too. ( Not Fordyce). This ties in with the RHS's belief that orchids should follow naming trends that occur with other plants. Such that the clonal name (the part in the '_'s - for those of you following along) becomes the registered name. Of course they don't realize that there's a long register of orchid breeding - much like horses or dog breeding, and to just wipe that out and start calling orchids names like 'Kaleidoscope' drops much of the history, much less the intergeneric nature of the breeder's art. Sorry to go on like this, but (obviously) it ticks me off. I can just see that someone will bring this orchid (or its hybrid) in for judging and I'll have to kick it out because it doesn't have a valid name. Or I'll have to make the exhibitor aware that THEY will have to pay the $7 to the RHS to name the orchid (and its hybrid) (in addition to the AOS award fee), and I suppose that (if they read this) they now know they can name it for themselves or their dog if they want. And screw Netrasiri, who should ahve know better in the first place. The more I think about it the more I like the sound of Lc. K Barrett and its hybrid Lc. Issac My Cat. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message ... Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really nothing but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced. When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird that way. "K Barrett" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info, Al. Once again we see the downfall of western civilazation as we know it. How 2 well known orchid vendors could sell much less hybridize with unregistered orchid *and put that on their tag!* is beyond me. Just too lazy to write it right, I guess. I went through my AQs and there isn't an AM from the AOS published yet. Granted it could still be in the works, but the award would still be provisional until the name Netrasiri Waxy was registered. Now, if somone wanted to teach these idiots a lesson, they could pony up the $7 bucks for the RHS and name the cross themselves since the owners haven't done so. I suggest Lc. K Barrett. Then the award would HAVE to read Lc K Barrett 'Jairung' AM/AOS and the breeding program would HAVE to list Lc. K Barrett as a parent. Neener neener to Netrasiri. They lose out! K Barrett "Al" wrote in message ... An unregistered hybrid would NOT have the name CATTLEYA NETRASIRI WAXY `Jairug` AM, it WOULD have the parentage listed in parentheses. This vendor fails orchid name reading/writing 101. I don't think he/she even opened the book once during the semester. I bet the instructor can not even remember seeing them in class. Kultana orchids is selling hybrids made using C. Netrasiri Waxy as a parent, as are a few others, according to the internet. Tropic 1 Orchids is selling Lc. Netrasiri Waxy 'Jairug' [Lc. Netrasiri Doll x C. Netrasiri Fireball]. There are discrepancies here and I think this will be a question on the next exam. C. Chocolate Drop is a grandparent from both sides in the Tropic 1 Lc. hybrid making it more likely to be the correct parentage of a hybrid that my Wildcatt Feb 2005 update says is unregistered. You just want to know if it is hard to grow. If you are able to bloom and flower the average cattleya hybrid, then you can probably bring this plant into bloom. If this is the parentage a nice select clone will probably ultimately reach about 2 feet tall and have large clusters of these flowers. It is pretty. "PhalGuy" wrote in message news:1123814007.5d19638cdcaa1e08936e2be3f5c35f09@t eranews... Here`s the answer from the vendor: Hi Sorry we do not have the parentage of this hybrid as it is an unregistered hybrid. Thanks So, to all Catt growers, this one should not be very hard to grow? I`m totally new to this species ! Thanks again Claude "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny" | wrote: | | Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a not-yet-registered | hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows what | organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS. | -danny | | | Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about | everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list | I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a | beautiful waxy flower. | SuE | http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Isn't their some judging rule that a judge should re-curse him/her self if
they know who owns the plant and this knowledge will affect (or effect ...I forget which) their ability to judge it? "Rob" wrote in message ... Al wrote: Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really nothing but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced. When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the mail from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird that way. Of course if you don't pay for your awards, you get 'black-listed' and cannot receive any more awards. Eventually the judging center figures out who you are... *grin* So there is some incentive to play by the rules. It is my experience that a lot of the plants from exotic locales are lucky to have any cross information at all. The growers make zillions of crosses. They don't register them all (that costs money). I'd wager that most of these growers would be happy for you to pay the registration fee. -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Al wrote:
Isn't their some judging rule that a judge should re-curse him/her self if they know who owns the plant and this knowledge will affect (or effect ...I forget which) their ability to judge it? I curse myself over and over... Yes, a judge should recuse himself if he knows the owner and/or has a material interest in the plant (made the cross, for example, or has several hundred of them on the bench awaiting sale...). It is a judgment call, and the basic rule is that if there would be any chance of the appearance of impropriety, then you should recuse yourself. In reality, we know a fairly large percentage of the time whose plants are whose, or have a really good guess. At least for plants brought to the judging center (judges bring their own plants, too...). We don't actively discuss ownership when examining plants, of course. Even if you are anonymous for judging (the ideal situation) at some point they need to write down the name of the owner on the form. I personally don't have a problem judging a plant when I know or suspect who the owner is, since I can maintain the appropriate distance. Quite frankly, I could maintain the same distance judging my own plants (not that it would be necessary, and that is definitely against the rules). If anything, I'd be harder on my own, and I frequently leave awardable plants at home because i'm too harsh. If for some reason I couldn't maintain impartiality (I hate the person exhibiting, for example), then I hope I'd be honest enough with myself to admit that. It hasn't happened yet though. -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
If I may speak for Rob, - something I've never done before, and probably
should never do again,*G* - when he says 'eventually the judging center figures out who you are' I believe he's talking about paperwork. When the award paperwork lays around the judging center without the exhibitor paying for it, year after year, then the center takes notice. The secretary sends a letter to the exhibitor asking what's up. The exhibitor tells the AOS the reeason for not paying for the award(s) and appropriate action is taken. Like not being allowed to exhibit for AOS awards. Again, the judges sitting at the table judging the plant wouldn't know until the entry paperwork came back with the exhibitor's name that the plant belonged to the exhibitor. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message ... Isn't their some judging rule that a judge should re-curse him/her self if they know who owns the plant and this knowledge will affect (or effect ....I forget which) their ability to judge it? "Rob" wrote in message ... Al wrote: Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really nothing but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced. When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the mail from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird that way. Of course if you don't pay for your awards, you get 'black-listed' and cannot receive any more awards. Eventually the judging center figures out who you are... *grin* So there is some incentive to play by the rules. It is my experience that a lot of the plants from exotic locales are lucky to have any cross information at all. The growers make zillions of crosses. They don't register them all (that costs money). I'd wager that most of these growers would be happy for you to pay the registration fee. -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
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