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Pete 12-03-2003 08:10 PM

Paphiopedilum Julius question
 
I have a Paph Julius that is in spike for the very first time. It is a
multigrowth plant and one of the new growths has variegated leaves, what's
up with that? I have never seen that on a Paph. What caused it to grow
variegated leaves?

I had even emailed Parkside where I had bought it from 2 years ago and they
don't the answer but they said that it does happen once in a while and that
I shouldn't worry.

Pete



Rob Halgren 12-03-2003 08:47 PM

Paphiopedilum Julius question
 
Pete wrote:

I have a Paph Julius that is in spike for the very first time. It is a
multigrowth plant and one of the new growths has variegated leaves, what's
up with that? I have never seen that on a Paph. What caused it to grow
variegated leaves?

I had even emailed Parkside where I had bought it from 2 years ago and they
don't the answer but they said that it does happen once in a while and that
I shouldn't worry.



Variegated like a Paph. Maudiae, or like a dracena? Sometimes you
get 'flame' markings on phrags, where you see bright yellow halos on
leaves or sometimes bars across them. Nobody has ever explained that to
my satisfaction. I've heard that 'they are growing too fast for the
chlorophyll to keep up', but that sounds like BS to me... I haven't
seen that behavior on paphs. Sometimes you will get streaking or
stripes where other leaves have covered the leaf of your plant. That is
a response to the low light level (and can be a little freaky when you
first see it). I wouldn't expect to see tesselation or variegation in a
Julius, simply because the parents don't - but many multifloral hybrids
which have either Maudiae type or Chinese species (delenatii,
armeniacum, micranthum...) will have quite attractive foliage.
You can see sometimes what I call pleated leaves, they are actually
physically pleated in the lengthwise direction. Sometimes a lot,
sometimes a little. That isn't variegation, but it might be mistaken
for that. Not sure what causes that phenomenon either, but usually the
plants grow out of it.
If you have true variegation, and it is somewhat stable (all of the
new growths coming from the variegated growth come out true to pattern),
then you might have a plant that is worth something. Some cultures
really love odd variegation patterns. The Japanese are really into
Neofinetia falcata, not for the flowers but for the hundreds of
different leaf patterns. Each one has a name. They also like several
other genera with what we would call mutant coloring. Some of these
forms are sold for more than a new automobile.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit


Pete 12-03-2003 08:47 PM

Paphiopedilum Julius question
 
Variegation like in a Dracena. Very odd, isn't it? The parents are
rothschildianum and lowii. niether parent has variegated leaves.

Pete
"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Pete wrote:

I have a Paph Julius that is in spike for the very first time. It is a
multigrowth plant and one of the new growths has variegated leaves,

what's
up with that? I have never seen that on a Paph. What caused it to grow
variegated leaves?

I had even emailed Parkside where I had bought it from 2 years ago and

they
don't the answer but they said that it does happen once in a while and

that
I shouldn't worry.



Variegated like a Paph. Maudiae, or like a dracena? Sometimes you
get 'flame' markings on phrags, where you see bright yellow halos on
leaves or sometimes bars across them. Nobody has ever explained that to
my satisfaction. I've heard that 'they are growing too fast for the
chlorophyll to keep up', but that sounds like BS to me... I haven't
seen that behavior on paphs. Sometimes you will get streaking or
stripes where other leaves have covered the leaf of your plant. That is
a response to the low light level (and can be a little freaky when you
first see it). I wouldn't expect to see tesselation or variegation in a
Julius, simply because the parents don't - but many multifloral hybrids
which have either Maudiae type or Chinese species (delenatii,
armeniacum, micranthum...) will have quite attractive foliage.
You can see sometimes what I call pleated leaves, they are actually
physically pleated in the lengthwise direction. Sometimes a lot,
sometimes a little. That isn't variegation, but it might be mistaken
for that. Not sure what causes that phenomenon either, but usually the
plants grow out of it.
If you have true variegation, and it is somewhat stable (all of the
new growths coming from the variegated growth come out true to pattern),
then you might have a plant that is worth something. Some cultures
really love odd variegation patterns. The Japanese are really into
Neofinetia falcata, not for the flowers but for the hundreds of
different leaf patterns. Each one has a name. They also like several
other genera with what we would call mutant coloring. Some of these
forms are sold for more than a new automobile.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit




Al 12-03-2003 09:33 PM

Paphiopedilum Julius question
 
take care of it. :-) ...and hope the new growths coming from the
variegated piece also show the pattern.


"Pete" wrote in message
...
Variegation like in a Dracena. Very odd, isn't it? The parents are
rothschildianum and lowii. niether parent has variegated leaves.

Pete
"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Pete wrote:

I have a Paph Julius that is in spike for the very first time. It is a
multigrowth plant and one of the new growths has variegated leaves,

what's
up with that? I have never seen that on a Paph. What caused it to grow
variegated leaves?

I had even emailed Parkside where I had bought it from 2 years ago and

they
don't the answer but they said that it does happen once in a while and

that
I shouldn't worry.



Variegated like a Paph. Maudiae, or like a dracena? Sometimes you
get 'flame' markings on phrags, where you see bright yellow halos on
leaves or sometimes bars across them. Nobody has ever explained that to
my satisfaction. I've heard that 'they are growing too fast for the
chlorophyll to keep up', but that sounds like BS to me... I haven't
seen that behavior on paphs. Sometimes you will get streaking or
stripes where other leaves have covered the leaf of your plant. That is
a response to the low light level (and can be a little freaky when you
first see it). I wouldn't expect to see tesselation or variegation in a
Julius, simply because the parents don't - but many multifloral hybrids
which have either Maudiae type or Chinese species (delenatii,
armeniacum, micranthum...) will have quite attractive foliage.
You can see sometimes what I call pleated leaves, they are actually
physically pleated in the lengthwise direction. Sometimes a lot,
sometimes a little. That isn't variegation, but it might be mistaken
for that. Not sure what causes that phenomenon either, but usually the
plants grow out of it.
If you have true variegation, and it is somewhat stable (all of the
new growths coming from the variegated growth come out true to pattern),
then you might have a plant that is worth something. Some cultures
really love odd variegation patterns. The Japanese are really into
Neofinetia falcata, not for the flowers but for the hundreds of
different leaf patterns. Each one has a name. They also like several
other genera with what we would call mutant coloring. Some of these
forms are sold for more than a new automobile.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit






Pete 12-03-2003 10:34 PM

Paphiopedilum Julius question
 
I have posted a picture of the variegated leaves on
alt.binary.orchid.pictures. It is very freaky looking.

Peter
"Al" wrote in message
...
take care of it. :-) ...and hope the new growths coming from the
variegated piece also show the pattern.


"Pete" wrote in message
...
Variegation like in a Dracena. Very odd, isn't it? The parents are
rothschildianum and lowii. niether parent has variegated leaves.

Pete
"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Pete wrote:

I have a Paph Julius that is in spike for the very first time. It is

a
multigrowth plant and one of the new growths has variegated leaves,

what's
up with that? I have never seen that on a Paph. What caused it to

grow
variegated leaves?

I had even emailed Parkside where I had bought it from 2 years ago

and
they
don't the answer but they said that it does happen once in a while

and
that
I shouldn't worry.



Variegated like a Paph. Maudiae, or like a dracena? Sometimes you
get 'flame' markings on phrags, where you see bright yellow halos on
leaves or sometimes bars across them. Nobody has ever explained that

to
my satisfaction. I've heard that 'they are growing too fast for the
chlorophyll to keep up', but that sounds like BS to me... I haven't
seen that behavior on paphs. Sometimes you will get streaking or
stripes where other leaves have covered the leaf of your plant. That

is
a response to the low light level (and can be a little freaky when you
first see it). I wouldn't expect to see tesselation or variegation in

a
Julius, simply because the parents don't - but many multifloral

hybrids
which have either Maudiae type or Chinese species (delenatii,
armeniacum, micranthum...) will have quite attractive foliage.
You can see sometimes what I call pleated leaves, they are

actually
physically pleated in the lengthwise direction. Sometimes a lot,
sometimes a little. That isn't variegation, but it might be mistaken
for that. Not sure what causes that phenomenon either, but usually

the
plants grow out of it.
If you have true variegation, and it is somewhat stable (all of

the
new growths coming from the variegated growth come out true to

pattern),
then you might have a plant that is worth something. Some cultures
really love odd variegation patterns. The Japanese are really into
Neofinetia falcata, not for the flowers but for the hundreds of
different leaf patterns. Each one has a name. They also like several
other genera with what we would call mutant coloring. Some of these
forms are sold for more than a new automobile.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit








Pete 16-03-2003 04:32 PM

Paphiopedilum Julius question
 
There is something that I have never noticed before. The mature growth with
a spike is the one that produced the new growth with all variegated leaves
also has one variegated leaf, does it mean anything?

Pete

"Al" wrote in message
...
take care of it. :-) ...and hope the new growths coming from the
variegated piece also show the pattern.


"Pete" wrote in message
...
Variegation like in a Dracena. Very odd, isn't it? The parents are
rothschildianum and lowii. niether parent has variegated leaves.

Pete
"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Pete wrote:

I have a Paph Julius that is in spike for the very first time. It is

a
multigrowth plant and one of the new growths has variegated leaves,

what's
up with that? I have never seen that on a Paph. What caused it to

grow
variegated leaves?

I had even emailed Parkside where I had bought it from 2 years ago

and
they
don't the answer but they said that it does happen once in a while

and
that
I shouldn't worry.



Variegated like a Paph. Maudiae, or like a dracena? Sometimes you
get 'flame' markings on phrags, where you see bright yellow halos on
leaves or sometimes bars across them. Nobody has ever explained that

to
my satisfaction. I've heard that 'they are growing too fast for the
chlorophyll to keep up', but that sounds like BS to me... I haven't
seen that behavior on paphs. Sometimes you will get streaking or
stripes where other leaves have covered the leaf of your plant. That

is
a response to the low light level (and can be a little freaky when you
first see it). I wouldn't expect to see tesselation or variegation in

a
Julius, simply because the parents don't - but many multifloral

hybrids
which have either Maudiae type or Chinese species (delenatii,
armeniacum, micranthum...) will have quite attractive foliage.
You can see sometimes what I call pleated leaves, they are

actually
physically pleated in the lengthwise direction. Sometimes a lot,
sometimes a little. That isn't variegation, but it might be mistaken
for that. Not sure what causes that phenomenon either, but usually

the
plants grow out of it.
If you have true variegation, and it is somewhat stable (all of

the
new growths coming from the variegated growth come out true to

pattern),
then you might have a plant that is worth something. Some cultures
really love odd variegation patterns. The Japanese are really into
Neofinetia falcata, not for the flowers but for the hundreds of
different leaf patterns. Each one has a name. They also like several
other genera with what we would call mutant coloring. Some of these
forms are sold for more than a new automobile.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit









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