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age of orchids
Hello everybody,
Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
age of orchids
With proper care they can live indefinately.
Earlier this week I visited Tropic 1 orchids where they had a huge old vanda that was at least 17 years old. It had about 20 different leads and about 20 spikes of flowers. Unbelievable! Gene "C.K.T." wrote in message ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
age of orchids
Yes they can outlive you.
"C.K.T." wrote in message ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
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CKT
There have certainly been times that I thought the lifespan of an orchid was dependent on the price you paid for it. $1-$5 10 years $6-$15 8 years $16-$35 6 years $36-$75 3 years $76-$250 2 years $251-$500 1 year $500-$2000 9 months over $2000 is anybody's guess Mick "C.K.T." wrote in message ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
age of orchids
"Mick Fournier" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... CKT There have certainly been times that I thought the lifespan of an orchid was dependent on the price you paid for it. $1-$5 10 years $6-$15 8 years $16-$35 6 years $36-$75 3 years $76-$250 2 years $251-$500 1 year $500-$2000 9 months over $2000 is anybody's guess Gee, then I have gotten some expensive orchids at a really good price! grin -- Reka http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Winston Churchill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10.06.03 |
age of orchids
With proper care they can live indefinately.
Anyone who has a division of any of the early paph hybrids has plants that are over 100 years old. |
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I agree, but you failed to estimate the life span of a swapped or gift
plant/division. I had one that lasted only 31 years. Regards, Chris In article , "Mick Fournier" wrote: CKT There have certainly been times that I thought the lifespan of an orchid was dependent on the price you paid for it. $1-$5 10 years $6-$15 8 years $16-$35 6 years $36-$75 3 years $76-$250 2 years $251-$500 1 year $500-$2000 9 months over $2000 is anybody's guess Mick "C.K.T." wrote in message ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
age of orchids
If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special
category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. "Bolero" wrote in message . au... Yes they can outlive you. "C.K.T." wrote in message ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
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Chris,
Yes, you are indeed correct. Gift orchids (ie "unloads" from the first grower) will last a minimum of 15 years. Mick ------------------------------- "Chris Savas" wrote in message ... I agree, but you failed to estimate the life span of a swapped or gift plant/division. I had one that lasted only 31 years. Regards, Chris |
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Oh ok, well you will never be around to find out then huh?
I believe there are some very old plants around that show no signs of dying but I guess eventually it must come to an end. But if it isn't going to happen in my lifetime then I really can't measure it. Maybe it would take 1000 years? It may be a while before anyone knows anyway. "Bryan" wrote in message om... If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. "Bolero" wrote in message . au... Yes they can outlive you. "C.K.T." wrote in message ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:03:26 +1000, "Bolero"
wrote in Message-Id: : Maybe it would take 1000 years? It may be a while before anyone knows anyway. How old are those Giant Sequoias in the California parks? IIRC, some are supposed to predate Christ. |
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sorry, i'm googling so i'm out of order:
age of trees---aren't the methuselah trees out west approaching 4,000 yrs old? gimme a sec... Taking Chips Off the Oldest Blocks By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, June 16, 2003; Page A01 When they finally found it, high in California's rugged White Mountains, the tree looked a lot like the other stunted and windblown evergreens scattered about: a twisted mass of sun-bleached wood, stubborn green needles and gray crusts of bark. But this particular bristlecone pine was different. Nicknamed Methuselah, it has clung to its rocky patch of ground near the Nevada border for the past 4,768 years, making it the oldest known living tree on the planet..... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Jun15.html ok, so almost 5,000 yrs old. :) --j_a |
age of orchids
What's a "telemores"?
I think that when discussing the age of any species, it is fair to keep in mind the difference between "forever", and a few hundred, or a few thousand years. Sugesting that orchids may be "immortal" is completely inaccurate, and I just wanted to steer the discussion away from that conclusion. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 22 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. Would "the life sustaining force" you mention have anything to do with telomeres? |
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I've yet to find an orchid that lived too long. I'd be happy with an
average of 50 years per orchid. I think my average a little less than that now. How many people here want their orchids to die sooner? ________________ Ken Woodward Newton, MA http://kwoodward.net "janet_a" wrote in message om... sorry, i'm googling so i'm out of order: age of trees---aren't the methuselah trees out west approaching 4,000 yrs old? gimme a sec... Taking Chips Off the Oldest Blocks By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, June 16, 2003; Page A01 When they finally found it, high in California's rugged White Mountains, the tree looked a lot like the other stunted and windblown evergreens scattered about: a twisted mass of sun-bleached wood, stubborn green needles and gray crusts of bark. But this particular bristlecone pine was different. Nicknamed Methuselah, it has clung to its rocky patch of ground near the Nevada border for the past 4,768 years, making it the oldest known living tree on the planet..... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Jun15.html ok, so almost 5,000 yrs old. :) --j_a |
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And Huon Pine trees in Tasmania are supposed to be even older now.
Apparently they have discovered trees down there that outdate everything. "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:03:26 +1000, "Bolero" wrote in Message-Id: : Maybe it would take 1000 years? It may be a while before anyone knows anyway. How old are those Giant Sequoias in the California parks? IIRC, some are supposed to predate Christ. |
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Ok, if we need to be pedantic then you can do that.
"Bryan" wrote in message om... What's a "telemores"? I think that when discussing the age of any species, it is fair to keep in mind the difference between "forever", and a few hundred, or a few thousand years. Sugesting that orchids may be "immortal" is completely inaccurate, and I just wanted to steer the discussion away from that conclusion. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 22 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. Would "the life sustaining force" you mention have anything to do with telomeres? |
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Like I said in another post, apparently they have found Huon Pine trees in
Tasmania recently that are even older than those. They are now believed to be the oldest things, and boy are they huge!!!! "janet_a" wrote in message om... sorry, i'm googling so i'm out of order: age of trees---aren't the methuselah trees out west approaching 4,000 yrs old? gimme a sec... Taking Chips Off the Oldest Blocks By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, June 16, 2003; Page A01 When they finally found it, high in California's rugged White Mountains, the tree looked a lot like the other stunted and windblown evergreens scattered about: a twisted mass of sun-bleached wood, stubborn green needles and gray crusts of bark. But this particular bristlecone pine was different. Nicknamed Methuselah, it has clung to its rocky patch of ground near the Nevada border for the past 4,768 years, making it the oldest known living tree on the planet..... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Jun15.html ok, so almost 5,000 yrs old. :) --j_a |
age of orchids
On 23 Jun 2003 15:45:26 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in
Message-Id: : What's a "telemores"? telo•mere \"te-le-'mir, "te-\ noun [ISV] (1940) : the natural end of a eukaryotic chromosome (C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved. Here's a link for you: http://tinylink.com/?xgHFJEPyui I think that when discussing the age of any species, it is fair to keep in mind the difference between "forever", and a few hundred, or a few thousand years. How old would a plant have to be to qualify for consideration as a candidate for proof of its immortality in your view? Sugesting that orchids may be "immortal" is completely inaccurate, and I just wanted to steer the discussion away from that conclusion. I would be interested in learning the source of your sagacious information. Presumably your assertion is founded on factual data. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 22 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. Would "the life sustaining force" you mention have anything to do with telomeres? |
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Not quite as impressive by size or age, but in my neck of the woods there are Eastern White Cedar trees over 700 years old growing on the cliff face of the Niagara Escarpment. Orchid content - the escarpment is also home to 37 types of wild orchids. back to lurk mode, Jeffo "Bolero" wrote in message u... And Huon Pine trees in Tasmania are supposed to be even older now. Apparently they have discovered trees down there that outdate everything. "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:03:26 +1000, "Bolero" wrote in Message-Id: : Maybe it would take 1000 years? It may be a while before anyone knows anyway. How old are those Giant Sequoias in the California parks? IIRC, some are supposed to predate Christ. |
age of orchids
Hello and thanks to everyone who answerd till now. Actually my questions is
answered. And happy to know that i will have my orchids around for a while. It is interesting to see the developping discussion. I am not a professional biologist and posed this question just out of general interest. And I am surprised, how people get into talk about it. Last not least i did't expect orchids become that old. It's always nice to learn more in and about life. Thank you all! CKT C.K.T. heeft geschreven in bericht ... Hello everybody, Great to find this groep! I have some Phalenopsis, Dendrobium and Paphiopedilum. I wonder how old these orchids can become. Someone around who knows that? Thanks, ckt |
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What do you care about facts? Even your immortal cancer cell isn't
going to live any longer than it's host. You can and should believe what you want. I now know that this forum is not the place to find answers.. Just arguements. If 5000 years qualifies as 'forever' to you, then what do I know, or care.. I was actually hoping to find out myself, how long they live.. But I see that those who do know, wouldn't bother with this forum, for good reason. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 23 Jun 2003 15:45:26 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : What's a "telemores"? telo?mere \"te-le-'mir, "te-\ noun [ISV] (1940) : the natural end of a eukaryotic chromosome (C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved. Here's a link for you: http://tinylink.com/?xgHFJEPyui I think that when discussing the age of any species, it is fair to keep in mind the difference between "forever", and a few hundred, or a few thousand years. How old would a plant have to be to qualify for consideration as a candidate for proof of its immortality in your view? Sugesting that orchids may be "immortal" is completely inaccurate, and I just wanted to steer the discussion away from that conclusion. I would be interested in learning the source of your sagacious information. Presumably your assertion is founded on factual data. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 22 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. Would "the life sustaining force" you mention have anything to do with telomeres? |
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What do you care about facts? Even your immortal cancer cell isn't
going to live any longer than it's host. You can and should believe what you want. I now know that this forum is not the place to find answers.. Just arguements. If 5000 years qualifies as 'forever' to you, then what do I know, or care.. I was actually hoping to find out myself, how long they live.. But I see that those who do know, wouldn't bother with this forum, for good reason. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 23 Jun 2003 15:45:26 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : What's a "telemores"? telo?mere \"te-le-'mir, "te-\ noun [ISV] (1940) : the natural end of a eukaryotic chromosome (C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved. Here's a link for you: http://tinylink.com/?xgHFJEPyui I think that when discussing the age of any species, it is fair to keep in mind the difference between "forever", and a few hundred, or a few thousand years. How old would a plant have to be to qualify for consideration as a candidate for proof of its immortality in your view? Sugesting that orchids may be "immortal" is completely inaccurate, and I just wanted to steer the discussion away from that conclusion. I would be interested in learning the source of your sagacious information. Presumably your assertion is founded on factual data. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 22 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. Would "the life sustaining force" you mention have anything to do with telomeres? |
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Ok...To get nit-picky here.... I said "indefinately".....not "forever"!
Bryan equated indefinately to forever. Good Growing, Gene |
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Hello everybody in discussion,
I see, still answers comming in. A pitty to see is all that picking on eachother. I mentioned earlier that i am not a biologist, but when I read some answers I agree. Even if English is not my mother toung i do think to understand quite well. Probably an answer lies somewhere in the middle. Some orchids might become old, other species might die earlier. Probably like with trees. Slow growing ones like (Quercus)oak tree can become very old, and I mean real old like 15oo years if we let them get that old, and than there are (salix) willow trees which have a short life time from about 30-40 years. Why couldn't it be the same with orchids? There is still to do a lot of different research on themes that scientist don't know answers on yet. That's the nice thing about it, to discover of find out something new. In 200 years time from now we all will know more. Science and research still going on. Building up knowledge for further generations. A pitty that we as humans won't get answers to all our questions in our relatively short life time. And good to know that plants and some animals can get older than we do. kind regards to everybody, Chris Bryan heeft geschreven in bericht . .. What's a "telemores"? I think that when discussing the age of any species, it is fair to keep in mind the difference between "forever", and a few hundred, or a few thousand years. Sugesting that orchids may be "immortal" is completely inaccurate, and I just wanted to steer the discussion away from that conclusion. Larry Dighera wrote in message . .. On 22 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700, (Bryan) wrote in Message-Id: : If orchids can live "forever" then that would put them in a special category not shared by ANY OTHER living thing in known existence.. Genetic material does decay... Eventually.. No matter how old the plant, or how many times it has devided or grown new crowns, the genetic structure is as old as the original seedling. In other words, if the DNA is not refreshed by reproduction, and sowing of new seed, then like anything else, the life sustaining force of the genetic structure does eventually die out. True, with orchids, this may take in excess of 150 years to occur, given optimum culture... But it will happen. Would "the life sustaining force" you mention have anything to do with telomeres? |
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