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Wendy 24-07-2003 03:42 PM

Off the wall question?
 
I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the flowers?

Also, some people force bloom their Tillandsias (Bromeliad/air plant) to
have
them blooming for a show & they would put the plant in a plastic
bag with a piece of apple?

Why?
Cheers Wendy



Rob Halgren 24-07-2003 04:32 PM

Off the wall question?
 
Rob Halgren wrote:

Wendy wrote:

I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the
flowers?


Almost certainly...


Of course, now I read that to mean that the orchid and the apple are in
different rooms. That is probably not as big of a concern, assuming the
house has sufficient air volume. If they are on the same table, then it
is a really bad idea... *grin*


Rob

--
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1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit


Rob Halgren 24-07-2003 04:32 PM

Off the wall question?
 
Wendy wrote:

I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the flowers?


Almost certainly... Unless you had a very large dining room and
excellent air circulation. Here at MSU, we have whole rooms which have
signs that have an apple with a diagonal line through them. "NO
APPLES". Some people think that is funny. The apple doesn't have to
be bad, a firm ripe apple is also a bad idea. One bad apple really does
spoil the bunch, and one not so bad apple can spoil a whole walk-in
cooler full of flowers...

Also, some people force bloom their Tillandsias (Bromeliad/air plant) to
have
them blooming for a show & they would put the plant in a plastic
bag with a piece of apple?


Ethylene promotes ripening, and I believe in bromeliads (including
pineapples) it induces flowering. It is pretty versatile. It is
believed by many (or was believed, when I was still in school) that
apples evolved (or were selected for) the ability to produce large
quantities of ethylene gas from a single ripe fruit. This induces the
more fruit on the tree to ripen, and quickly cascades to ensure that all
fruit are ripe at very close to the same time. Important if you are
trying to induce furry critters to visit your house and spread your
seeds. Or if you are an orchardist and you only want to pick your tree
once (and have uniformly bright red and delicious looking apples, of
course). Other fruits, including bananas, also seem to have the same
skill.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit


K Barrett 24-07-2003 04:32 PM

Off the wall question?
 
Do a google search on ethylene, there should be a wealth of information
about its effect on ripening and aging.

K Barrett

"Wendy" wrote in message
news:n%RTa.26177$Ne.14831@fed1read03...
I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the flowers?

Also, some people force bloom their Tillandsias (Bromeliad/air plant) to
have
them blooming for a show & they would put the plant in a plastic
bag with a piece of apple?

Why?
Cheers Wendy





Ted Byers 24-07-2003 05:02 PM

Off the wall question?
 

"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Rob Halgren wrote:

Wendy wrote:

I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the
flowers?


Almost certainly...


Of course, now I read that to mean that the orchid and the apple are in
different rooms. That is probably not as big of a concern, assuming the
house has sufficient air volume. If they are on the same table, then it
is a really bad idea... *grin*

Unless the living room and dining room are adjacent and relatively open!
Every house I have lived in has had such an arrangement, to the point where
slightly different furnishing arrangements would create the impression of a
single room. And in my present home, my bedroom is as large as the dining
room and living room combined (the former is a bit on the large side and the
latter are rather small). And in every case, the coffee table was only
about three or four metres from the dining table.

It isn't an issue in my current home, though, since my orchids are on the
second floor with me and the dining room is on the first. I dare not put
any plant of value down there since my sister has a cat, which is a terror
to plants and flies, killing every plant put where she can reach it. With
that critter, a plant in bloom would not live long enough for fruit on the
table to blast the flowers. Thanks to it, I have developed an intense
dislike for cats. They're just as bad as tree rats.

Cheers,

Ted


Diana Kulaga 24-07-2003 09:04 PM

Off the wall question?
 
I dare not put any plant of value down there since my sister has a cat,
which is a terror to plants and flies, killing every plant put where she can
reach it. With that critter, a plant in bloom would not live long enough
for fruit on the table to blast the flowers. Thanks to it, I have developed
an intense
dislike for cats. They're just as bad as tree rats.

Oh, Ted, not all of them! Casper nuzzles the canes of a huge Dend, but
would never tear it up. Last winter we had slews of plants in the house,
all within his reach, and he treated it like a jungle game, but never hurt
so much as a leaf. Depends on the kitty.........

Diana



Wendy 24-07-2003 09:04 PM

Off the wall question?
 
Speaking of cats, last night on the news they showed this cat, that
diligently brought their owners prizes! Not the usual mouse or rat but
socks, hankies & bra's etc.??? Too funny!
Cheers Wendy
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
arthlink.net...
I dare not put any plant of value down there since my sister has a cat,

which is a terror to plants and flies, killing every plant put where she

can
reach it. With that critter, a plant in bloom would not live long enough
for fruit on the table to blast the flowers. Thanks to it, I have

developed
an intense
dislike for cats. They're just as bad as tree rats.

Oh, Ted, not all of them! Casper nuzzles the canes of a huge Dend, but
would never tear it up. Last winter we had slews of plants in the house,
all within his reach, and he treated it like a jungle game, but never hurt
so much as a leaf. Depends on the kitty.........

Diana





Wendy 24-07-2003 09:04 PM

Off the wall question?
 
Thanks for the info Rob. Cheers Wendy
"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Wendy wrote:

I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the

flowers?


Almost certainly... Unless you had a very large dining room and
excellent air circulation. Here at MSU, we have whole rooms which have
signs that have an apple with a diagonal line through them. "NO
APPLES". Some people think that is funny. The apple doesn't have to
be bad, a firm ripe apple is also a bad idea. One bad apple really does
spoil the bunch, and one not so bad apple can spoil a whole walk-in
cooler full of flowers...

Also, some people force bloom their Tillandsias (Bromeliad/air plant) to
have
them blooming for a show & they would put the plant in a plastic
bag with a piece of apple?


Ethylene promotes ripening, and I believe in bromeliads (including
pineapples) it induces flowering. It is pretty versatile. It is
believed by many (or was believed, when I was still in school) that
apples evolved (or were selected for) the ability to produce large
quantities of ethylene gas from a single ripe fruit. This induces the
more fruit on the tree to ripen, and quickly cascades to ensure that all
fruit are ripe at very close to the same time. Important if you are
trying to induce furry critters to visit your house and spread your
seeds. Or if you are an orchardist and you only want to pick your tree
once (and have uniformly bright red and delicious looking apples, of
course). Other fruits, including bananas, also seem to have the same
skill.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit




Wendy 24-07-2003 09:12 PM

Off the wall question?
 

"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...

Almost certainly... Unless you had a very large dining room and
excellent air circulation. Here at MSU, we have whole rooms which have
signs that have an apple with a diagonal line through them. "NO
APPLES". Some people think that is funny. The apple doesn't have to
be bad, a firm ripe apple is also a bad idea. One bad apple really does
spoil the bunch, and one not so bad apple can spoil a whole walk-in
cooler full of flowers...


I also re-read your statement & I could see where it could be
very funny if the University used MacIntosh Computers *G*
Cheers Wendy



Ted Byers 24-07-2003 09:12 PM

Off the wall question?
 

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
arthlink.net...
I dare not put any plant of value down there since my sister has a cat,

which is a terror to plants and flies, killing every plant put where she

can
reach it. With that critter, a plant in bloom would not live long enough
for fruit on the table to blast the flowers. Thanks to it, I have

developed
an intense
dislike for cats. They're just as bad as tree rats.

Oh, Ted, not all of them! Casper nuzzles the canes of a huge Dend, but
would never tear it up. Last winter we had slews of plants in the house,
all within his reach, and he treated it like a jungle game, but never hurt
so much as a leaf. Depends on the kitty.........

Hi Diana

I guess either you got lucky, or my sisters are unlucky. All three of them
have cats, and all three of their cats are plant killers. -( But none of
my sisters want me to introduce their cats to my oldest sister's dog. A
siberian husky, he will eat any vertebrate, other than human beings of
course, that has the gall to enter his domain. I couldn't begin to number
the rodents, birds, snakes and feral cats on which he has dined. But then,
they live in a very lightly developed area, with swamp across the road to
the south and boreal forest (on crown land) to the north beginning near
their property line. They get to see all kinds of wildlife most people get
to see only on National Geographic of the Discovery Channel. Just last
summer, on one occassion I was there, I saw a falcon try to take a song
bird, and the little bird, although injured, managed to escape. But, with
all the wildlife there, they'd be overrun by vertebrate pests if not for the
feral cats that have learned to avoid colt and for colt. They have a really
nice garden because, in part, the feral cats have decimated the rodent
population around the house.

Cheers,

Ted


Ted Byers 24-07-2003 09:22 PM

Off the wall question?
 

"Ted Byers" wrote in message
.. .


I guess either you got lucky, or my sisters are unlucky. All three of

them
have cats, and all three of their cats are plant killers. -( But none

of
my sisters want me to introduce their cats to my oldest sister's dog. A
[snip]
all the wildlife there, they'd be overrun by vertebrate pests if not for

the
feral cats that have learned to avoid colt and for colt. They have a

really
nice garden because, in part, the feral cats have decimated the rodent
population around the house.

I should probably point out that the feral cats don't seem to bother the
plants in the garden, but the dometicated cat in the house is a menace to
the plants.

Cheers,

Ted


Diane Mancino 25-07-2003 02:22 AM

Off the wall question?
 
I posted a pic on the other news group of a yellow tang bloom that only
lasted 2 weeks-it was 10 ft from the fruit bowl. short lived orchid or did
the fruit ruin it?
"K Barrett" wrote in message
. net...
Do a google search on ethylene, there should be a wealth of information
about its effect on ripening and aging.

K Barrett

"Wendy" wrote in message
news:n%RTa.26177$Ne.14831@fed1read03...
I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the

flowers?

Also, some people force bloom their Tillandsias (Bromeliad/air plant) to
have
them blooming for a show & they would put the plant in a plastic
bag with a piece of apple?

Why?
Cheers Wendy







LYNN32141 25-07-2003 01:12 PM

Off the wall question?
 
Dianne,

I don't know about you, but I grow Golden Tangs, and I've had 24-30 blooms at
one time on my orchid, and while my flowers usually stay in bloom for 3-4 weeks
at a time, it is CONSTANTLY in bloom... As soon as some of the flowers begin to
dye, it sends up new shoots left and right.. it's amazing actually.. a very
rewarding orchid.

It does spoil me when it comes to my once a year bloomer, and my dendrobiums
who only bloom twice a year at this time...


Lynn

LYNN32141 25-07-2003 09:42 PM

Off the wall question?
 
In article link.net, "Diana
Kulaga" writes:

Offerings to his dad, I guess!


hahahaha oh gosh that is funny... Amazes you what little treats they reward us
with huh??

lynn

Susan Erickson 25-07-2003 10:44 PM

Off the wall question?
 
On 25 Jul 2003 20:40:05 GMT, (LYNN32141) wrote:

In article link.net, "Diana
Kulaga" writes:

Offerings to his dad, I guess!


hahahaha oh gosh that is funny... Amazes you what little treats they reward us
with huh??

lynn


It is fine as long as it is not shrews and baby rabbits. My Mama
cat used to bring those home for me. No Thanks. Then she would
go out and stalk the adult rabbits as if they were not bigger
than she was. The bell on her collar never rang as she stalked
them across the lawn.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Diane Mancino 26-07-2003 01:22 AM

Off the wall question?
 
Sounds like a good trade off, Lynn on the golden Tang- It has 2 new shoots,
so I know its a happy camper. That many blooms? this was just one- what are
you feeding it and how big is it
"LYNN32141" wrote in message
...
Dianne,

I don't know about you, but I grow Golden Tangs, and I've had 24-30 blooms

at
one time on my orchid, and while my flowers usually stay in bloom for 3-4

weeks
at a time, it is CONSTANTLY in bloom... As soon as some of the flowers

begin to
dye, it sends up new shoots left and right.. it's amazing actually.. a

very
rewarding orchid.

It does spoil me when it comes to my once a year bloomer, and my

dendrobiums
who only bloom twice a year at this time...


Lynn




White Monkey 26-07-2003 02:32 PM

Off the wall question?
 
It isn't an issue in my current home, though, since my orchids are on the
second floor with me and the dining room is on the first. I dare not put
any plant of value down there since my sister has a cat, which is a

terror
to plants and flies, killing every plant put where she can reach it.


A friend of mine had a cat that would attack her cacti of many sorts. She
had to seal the rarer ones in a case and put wire around the others,
otherwise every time she left the room she'd come back to find the cat
sidling up on a cactus with a look of intense hate, and if she went out,
she'd come home to find overturned pots and carnage, and a cat in need of
yet another harrowing trip to the vet. It didn't do it with other plants,
and it did not appear to consider this fun; it really seemed to just plain
hate cacti with a passion, and feel it was on some sort of mission to
eliminate them.

My little cat SCSI is preternaturally well-behaved, but did become
entranced enough with one of the new phal.'s to knock a flower off while we
were out. She's the only cat I've ever had that's smart enough to remember
to connect the flower with an earlier action, so she WAS punished, and now
I catch her sitting as far toward the flowers as she can without putting a
foot on the table (the Big No-No) staring at them rapturously, now and then
emitting a little squeak. She hasn't touched them again in 3 weeks. She has
a fascination with flowers, and every now and then upsets a vase, but
always seems to feel bad about it in an almost dog-like way and it doesn't
repeat for a very long time, and only then when I get new and interesting
flowers.

--Katrina





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disy 26-07-2003 03:02 PM

Off the wall question?
 

"Ted Byers" wrote in message
.. .

"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Rob Halgren wrote:

Wendy wrote:

I have often read about orchid flowers blasting from the gases

emitted
from rotting fruit?

So if you have a nice blooming plant, on the coffee table & a bowl of
fruit on the dining table, with one bad apple, would it blast the
flowers?


Almost certainly...


Of course, now I read that to mean that the orchid and the apple are in
different rooms. That is probably not as big of a concern, assuming the
house has sufficient air volume. If they are on the same table, then it
is a really bad idea... *grin*

Unless the living room and dining room are adjacent and relatively open!
Every house I have lived in has had such an arrangement, to the point

where
slightly different furnishing arrangements would create the impression of

a
single room. And in my present home, my bedroom is as large as the dining
room and living room combined (the former is a bit on the large side and

the
latter are rather small). And in every case, the coffee table was only
about three or four metres from the dining table.

It isn't an issue in my current home, though, since my orchids are on the
second floor with me and the dining room is on the first. I dare not put
any plant of value down there since my sister has a cat, which is a terror
to plants and flies, killing every plant put where she can reach it. With
that critter, a plant in bloom would not live long enough for fruit on the
table to blast the flowers. Thanks to it, I have developed an intense
dislike for cats. They're just as bad as tree rats.

Cheers,

Ted


Ted, do not let your sister's cat deter you - my cat loves the orchids,
makes her feel like she has a jungle all to herself. She has never once
ruined any of my plant, every once in a while you will find teeth marks in a
leaf, but the plants seem to survive very well. The spider plant is the
only one that really attracts her attention and that is because of the
hanging babies and they sometimes catch a breeze from the window. It's
quite entertaining to watch her try to catch them.




LYNN32141 26-07-2003 06:32 PM

Off the wall question?
 
In article , "Diane Mancino"
writes:

Sounds like a good trade off, Lynn on the golden Tang- It has 2 new shoots,
so I know its a happy camper. That many blooms? this was just one- what are
you feeding it and how big is it


Dianne,

I'd be glad to send you some digital shots of it... It's about 3 years old, and
fairly big. When I first got it, it was in a 2 inch clay pot, which I
transplanted into those slat baskets. I put some spaghnum moss on the bottom
and sides, to make an inner basket. Then I put the orchid in that, and covered
it with orchid Bark, and hung it under my pine tree. It LOVES it there.. Gets
jsut the right amount of sun and shade. Temperatures can usually hit 99 or
over during summer and we are always in 100% humidity, so this provided it a
nice combination of cool, vs sunny.

This year, I split it out into 2 smaller plant groupings .. I have had blooms
already on the new plants, and see where they are sending new root feet out as
well as leaf stalks. So I see it is happy happy, and my splitting of the base
plant is working well.

On the base plant where I took the divisions, it has sent up 5 new flower
spikes.. Each flower spike normally has 2-3 flower blooms on it, so that will
be hopefully 10-15 more flowers..

I feed it miracle grow acid or miracid, or peters orchid fertilizer.. I've
tried some other others on the market too, which work fairly well ..

Lynn

Jim S 26-07-2003 09:32 PM

Off the wall question?
 
100% humidity sheesh where do you that it rains 24/7
in 90% Rh dew forms on everything are you exagerating?

"LYNN32141" wrote in message
...
In article , "Diane

Mancino"
writes:

Sounds like a good trade off, Lynn on the golden Tang- It has 2 new

shoots,
so I know its a happy camper. That many blooms? this was just one- what

are
you feeding it and how big is it


Dianne,

I'd be glad to send you some digital shots of it... It's about 3 years

old, and
fairly big. When I first got it, it was in a 2 inch clay pot, which I
transplanted into those slat baskets. I put some spaghnum moss on the

bottom
and sides, to make an inner basket. Then I put the orchid in that, and

covered
it with orchid Bark, and hung it under my pine tree. It LOVES it there..

Gets
jsut the right amount of sun and shade. Temperatures can usually hit 99

or
over during summer and we are always in 100% humidity, so this provided it

a
nice combination of cool, vs sunny.

This year, I split it out into 2 smaller plant groupings .. I have had

blooms
already on the new plants, and see where they are sending new root feet

out as
well as leaf stalks. So I see it is happy happy, and my splitting of the

base
plant is working well.

On the base plant where I took the divisions, it has sent up 5 new flower
spikes.. Each flower spike normally has 2-3 flower blooms on it, so that

will
be hopefully 10-15 more flowers..

I feed it miracle grow acid or miracid, or peters orchid fertilizer.. I've
tried some other others on the market too, which work fairly well ..

Lynn




LYNN32141 26-07-2003 10:12 PM

Off the wall question?
 
In article , "Jim S"
writes:

forms on everything are you exagerating?


hehehehe well somewhat... but it's so humid here where I live that you can
stand outside and do nothing and the persperation drips off your nose... LOL

Lynn

Diane Mancino 27-07-2003 03:42 PM

Off the wall question?
 
I'd love to see some golden Tang pictures- It doesn't get that hot up here
but It seemed like it adapts quite well. I didn't get the urge to repot on
this one- but probably should since its out of bloom- seems that a basket
isn't "over potting" I think the orchid just needs to feel the actually
pressure of being secure in the basket?



"LYNN32141" wrote in message
...
In article , "Diane

Mancino"
writes:

Sounds like a good trade off, Lynn on the golden Tang- It has 2 new

shoots,
so I know its a happy camper. That many blooms? this was just one- what

are
you feeding it and how big is it


Dianne,

I'd be glad to send you some digital shots of it... It's about 3 years

old, and
fairly big. When I first got it, it was in a 2 inch clay pot, which I
transplanted into those slat baskets. I put some spaghnum moss on the

bottom
and sides, to make an inner basket. Then I put the orchid in that, and

covered
it with orchid Bark, and hung it under my pine tree. It LOVES it there..

Gets
jsut the right amount of sun and shade. Temperatures can usually hit 99

or
over during summer and we are always in 100% humidity, so this provided it

a
nice combination of cool, vs sunny.

This year, I split it out into 2 smaller plant groupings .. I have had

blooms
already on the new plants, and see where they are sending new root feet

out as
well as leaf stalks. So I see it is happy happy, and my splitting of the

base
plant is working well.

On the base plant where I took the divisions, it has sent up 5 new flower
spikes.. Each flower spike normally has 2-3 flower blooms on it, so that

will
be hopefully 10-15 more flowers..

I feed it miracle grow acid or miracid, or peters orchid fertilizer.. I've
tried some other others on the market too, which work fairly well ..

Lynn





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